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On April 22 2011 22:00 DocHoliday wrote:
I prefer the NASL, at least for now.
I understand the noob friendly approach of IPL and I like them for that. As was said on State of the Game it's important to bring new people onboard. And I think IPL is taking the right approach to accomplish that goal. They still should use two commentators in my opinion which I think most people prefer (I could be wrong).
The NASL on the other hand does not take that noob friendly approach, and that is what I prefer to see. For now they have the better players (which might be the most important thing) and commentators whose style just suits me better. NASL might be harder to watch for new viewers, but I think that is a good thing. Imagine watching a soccer tournament where the commentator explains the rules every single game. It would be soooooo annoying. So I think for experienced viewers the NASL for now is better. Yes they have audio problems and stuff, but that are problems that are clearly defined and can (and I think will) definately will be solved.
IPL and NASL in my eyes don't totally overlap in what they are trying to do or which type of viewer they are trying to reach. Grossly oversimplified, IPL is more for noobs, NASL more for the experienced viewer, but everyone can watch and enjoy both. So saying one in general is better than the other is unfair in my opinion. Some prefer NASL, some prefer IPL and that is as it should be.
I didn't say much about stream quality because in my opinion that is the least important criteria. Well as long as both streams are above a certain standard. In the end the quality and substance of what is shown on that stream is the deciding factor.
Myself as an experienced veiwer and player, I am still a huge sucker for the HD and despite the higher skill quality in NASL, still found myself watching IPL the whole time.
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I think that in a fairly short amount of time, NASL will have improved its production value and stream quality greatly, and will come to blow IPL out of the water overall as a tournament. The people whining about NASL because they aren't patient enough to give it a couple of weeks will be biting their words when the tournament is going down to the wire, there is an epic amount of money at stake, and the best players in the world are duking it out in person. Meanwhile, IPL will have solo casters who provide zero analysis whatsoever and games that were played a week beforehand. NASL will have Chill, Day9, and probably Artosis guest-casting. Let's be honest, the excitement of teh final rounds of NASL will be very intense, and memories of spoiled brats on TL complaining about their "wasted money" will be distant.
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On April 22 2011 22:07 R1CH wrote:Yeah maybe I'm stupid but I can't figure out their VOD system either. Clicked on a match: VOD player loaded Clicked on HD: VOD player loaded some website inside the VOD player with another VOD player inside it (with another ad) Watched game 1: VOD player sat there spinning and I had no idea how to get to game 2.
I have the same problem. When the HD game loaded inside the frame I copied the URL and opened the game in a new window. Then after the game finished I typed changed the URL to game 2/3 to get to the next game. Quite irritating.
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Really nice production and commentary so far, i'm lovin it!
But I was watching Idra vs Fenix and after Game 1 was done it loaded Game 2 (really nice and smooth switch) but the black/white "underlay" showed: IPL: Set 4 - EGIdrA vs FnaticFenix- Game 1
instead of Game 2. You might want to have a look at this
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On April 22 2011 22:25 MrBigshot wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2011 22:00 DocHoliday wrote:
I prefer the NASL, at least for now.
I understand the noob friendly approach of IPL and I like them for that. As was said on State of the Game it's important to bring new people onboard. And I think IPL is taking the right approach to accomplish that goal. They still should use two commentators in my opinion which I think most people prefer (I could be wrong).
The NASL on the other hand does not take that noob friendly approach, and that is what I prefer to see. For now they have the better players (which might be the most important thing) and commentators whose style just suits me better. NASL might be harder to watch for new viewers, but I think that is a good thing. Imagine watching a soccer tournament where the commentator explains the rules every single game. It would be soooooo annoying. So I think for experienced viewers the NASL for now is better. Yes they have audio problems and stuff, but that are problems that are clearly defined and can (and I think will) definately will be solved.
IPL and NASL in my eyes don't totally overlap in what they are trying to do or which type of viewer they are trying to reach. Grossly oversimplified, IPL is more for noobs, NASL more for the experienced viewer, but everyone can watch and enjoy both. So saying one in general is better than the other is unfair in my opinion. Some prefer NASL, some prefer IPL and that is as it should be.
I didn't say much about stream quality because in my opinion that is the least important criteria. Well as long as both streams are above a certain standard. In the end the quality and substance of what is shown on that stream is the deciding factor. Myself as an experienced veiwer and player, I am still a huge sucker for the HD and despite the higher skill quality in NASL, still found myself watching IPL the whole time.
It's like when I'm looking for movies to download (I don't use Netflix), I'd rather watch a movie on my B-List that has DVD/BluRay quality rather than a movie on my A-List that is a Telesync rip from a camcorder in a movie theather. A product can be hyped and inherently good, but if it is not presentable to a general audience with appeal, the true value of the product is easily lost in translation if the presentation is poor.
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I can't agree with your view on AMAZING casters, I think Tastosis need to be there for it to truly be the best.
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On April 22 2011 20:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 19:26 -Archangel- wrote:On April 22 2011 18:22 Escapist wrote:
-SNIP-
- Good casting by all casters, but no proper background provided by any of them on who the players are.
-SNIP- This is so true. If casters would spend some time introducing players during the matches it would make the whole thing so much better (similar to how it is done during football broadcasts or at least how tastosis do it). Just do a bit of research about them and their play and results and present them in a way that they seem more human and alive. If we ever want to have sc2 grow the game needs to be as much about the competitors as the game itself. The Dreamhack "White-Ra, he cares" was a perfect example of that. When people watch Barcelona they watch it for the players as much for the results and the game on the field. I think Beckham showed us games are more then just about the game. This an odd criticism, considering I did go and research the players and provide information about play-style, team affiliation and recent tournament performance. It is not as if it was not done, I think you just wanted more than was given. Which is cool, that's totally doable and there's nothing stopping us doing more research and providing more colour if that's what people want. It was there though, just perhaps not enough of it.
Uff, I am sorry if I offended you. I actually didn't come yet to the VODs that you casted. DJwheat for sure didn't offer anything more. Actually my post is not a complaint, just a suggestion to make this even better. At the moment I feel IPL has the most chance to make something happen (at least in US) so if there is a way to make the casting and production even better it would be to bring us the human story behind the players. If you been watching GSL this season the video they done on MKP was just beautiful.
I do not suggest that IPL does something like that now (but they could eventually if IPL becomes much bigger), but casters giving little tidbits of personal info about players during casts would go a long way to make people that are not players of SC2 interested in watching.
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Having just watched some of the VODs, I can honestly say I think the IGNProLeague is awesome! I especially enjoyed the casting of TotalBiscuit. The games were fun to watch. The thing that really sticks out about this proleague is the production. It is unique compared to GSL or NASL. It strives to be different. For example, the animated pictures of the players. I feel like watching the IPL is an experience, which I don't feel for NASL. I feel like NASL is more mundane, similar to watching a livestream. IPL, however, stands out. I REALLY look forward to seeing more. Keep up the great work, guys!
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On April 22 2011 20:38 zs3000 wrote:
I like NASL better than IPL. It's impossible to listen to TB. The street fighter slash screens are terrible, the players are not as good, and there's simply not as much on the line. 2.5k on the line for IPL, or 50k for NASL? 2.5k is nothing to scoff, but the stakes just simply arn't as high with something that IGN put together that looks cheesy. Also, as much as most people here who are below diamond and don't understand the game all that well, they probably like the dumbed down "OMG IT FLASHES AND DIES" from TB and Djwheat. Gretorp and Incontrol are intelligent and understand the game and actually provide INFORMATION *gasp* as to what's going on.
NASL by far a better SC2 experiance.
I would reckon that it's the other way around for a more experienced player that you wouldn't need to rely on commentary to tell you what is happening in the game.
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I like the way they've got their website set up. Very easy to find the matches without getting spoiled.
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"IDRA IS READY TO RECIEVE"
Hadn't listened to TB before, but I nearly died laughing. Some may hate him, but i got three new people watching and enjoying the commentating he did. He appeals to new players or watchers.
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On April 22 2011 22:07 R1CH wrote:Yeah maybe I'm stupid but I can't figure out their VOD system either. Clicked on a match: VOD player loaded Clicked on HD: VOD player loaded some website inside the VOD player with another VOD player inside it (with another ad) Watched game 1: VOD player sat there spinning and I had no idea how to get to game 2.
Well game 2 starts automatically once game 1 ends. So just open game 1 and click to last 5s.
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On April 22 2011 21:41 Seditary wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2011 21:35 feanor1 wrote:On April 22 2011 21:27 CptCutter wrote:
i refuse to watch it because hd and pain user are casting it. Amazing piece of information you brought to the discusion I find it weird people attack and belittle sc2 competitions based on the people talking about the game they are watching. Wonder when sound reduction technology will be invented to help these people remove the annoyance...
Watching a tournament with the no sound at all is not really all that interesting though. Commentary is pretty important to help make it interesting to watch.
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hats down, but please pair TotalBiscuit and DJWheat together to make it even better than it already is.
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On April 22 2011 10:17 Eppa! wrote:
Having no analytical commentators is pretty annoying.
A couple of points were kind of painful to listen to, if you know the basics of SC2. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, though, because I know slips of the tongue can happen. I highly enjoyed what I saw last night.
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On April 22 2011 22:47 snailz wrote:
hats down, but please pair TotalBiscuit and DJWheat together to make it even better than it already is.
Wat? No. DJWheat cannot stop once he starts talking and that will mean we will hear much less of TB 
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On April 22 2011 22:45 -Archangel- wrote:Well game 2 starts automatically once game 1 ends. So just open game 1 and click to last 5s.
Except that it doesn't do that for a lot of people. I had exactly the same issue, and a number of people in the LR thread have commented on it as well. I think it works for some sets, but I tried to watch the idra-fenix match and ran into this issue where the next set did not start.
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hats down, but please pair TotalBiscuit and DJWheat together to make it even better than it already is.
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I love this so much. I bought a pass for NASL but the sound quality is so bad there it hurts my ears. The commentators seriously sound like they are talking through tin cans. So I'm not gonna bother watching NASL anymore and switched to IPL and what a treat that is. Awesome commentators, very good quality of sound and picture. More then I even expected! Hats of to you ppl from IPL!
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I don't really see why people are bashing NASL. Yes, IGN's production is very nice, and other than the solo caster is will be an amazing tourny. Unfortunately, the winner was leaked before the first set of games, and if you want to compare, every mistake the NASL made combined is nowhere near as tragic as that.
I really hope they get a second caster in for season 2, and avoid future leaks. If they do, IGN will be well worth the watch!
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