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Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 13:58:04
April 07 2011 13:56 GMT
#321
asdf, wrong thread ><
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 14:00:44
April 07 2011 14:00 GMT
#322
On April 07 2011 22:53 Tiax;mous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 21:50 bmml wrote:
Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time.


Huh? You're terribly wrong sir , before this last MLG , everyone was trashing / hating Naniwa. Any thread including his name turned into a nani hate thread in a few pages , even when his opponent BM'ed , people blamed him just because he's Naniwa ( I think it was dimaga vs naniwa , where Dimaga start BM'ing in the middle of game and Naniwa had to ask him to stop and then block him. Everyone in the LR thread was talking about how BM nani was...)



People knock him for being BM sure, but in regards to his team swapping its more of a "lol naniwa swaps teams again" rather than a "OMG I CANT BELIEVE HE DID THIS TO ROOT, GOOD RIDDANCE THIS GUYS AN ASS" which is pretty much what this thread is.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
April 07 2011 14:00 GMT
#323
On April 07 2011 21:50 bmml wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 21:37 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote:
Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.


He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.

He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.


Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.

People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.


I don't know about Nani's WC3 history, and I've been in and out of the SC2 scene, honestly. So I'm in no place to jump on a player I've only known about relatively recently. But I know about Terran's history with BW, which I was pretty involved in and kept a good tab on for the better part of 2+ years. I don't think you realize something: Pokebunny and Kawaii weren't exaggerating when they mentioned Terran's teamhopping early on.

The fact is, he has a history of jumping around showing 0 loyalty to teams, and now he's essentially demanding premier sponsorship to help him get to events while trashing the sponsors of his prior team. He has no actual achievements in SC2, and even in BW, he was never a tip-top player. He was good, but he never won anything of note. So why should a sponsor just hand him a bunch of cash right now and be like "Here you go!" He's got an arrogance about him that has nothing to back it up.

Him leaving doesn't make him a bad person, and I'm not making him public enemy number one because I "love ROOT all of a sudden." The fact of the matter is - he's showing a complete lack of class, dignity and professionalism in his attitude and behavior.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Terrifyer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States338 Posts
April 07 2011 14:02 GMT
#324
On April 07 2011 22:28 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm surprised this thread has deteriorated this much.
My advice to you all is this: Life is very short, and there's no time for all this fussing and fighting my friends.

TT1, you are above that senseless aggression. I always took you to be a very introverted and zen dude.

Juan, I hope you find a place where you can call a "home". It's not about money, bro, it's about the love of the game... and I'm not talking about Kevin Costner.

Guy who talked about TT1 hacking, you're cool. Seriously, you're really cool. Grow up.


Bill Murray speaks the truth

even though I have trolled TT1 about hacking in bw for a long time......


eat shit and die
JimRising
Profile Joined September 2010
Mexico52 Posts
April 07 2011 14:08 GMT
#325
Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail

User was temp banned for this post.
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bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
April 07 2011 14:09 GMT
#326
On April 07 2011 23:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 21:50 bmml wrote:
On April 07 2011 21:37 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote:
Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.


He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.

He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.


Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.

People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.


I don't know about Nani's WC3 history, and I've been in and out of the SC2 scene, honestly. So I'm in no place to jump on a player I've only known about relatively recently. But I know about Terran's history with BW, which I was pretty involved in and kept a good tab on for the better part of 2+ years. I don't think you realize something: Pokebunny and Kawaii weren't exaggerating when they mentioned Terran's teamhopping early on.

The fact is, he has a history of jumping around showing 0 loyalty to teams, and now he's essentially demanding premier sponsorship to help him get to events while trashing the sponsors of his prior team. He has no actual achievements in SC2, and even in BW, he was never a tip-top player. He was good, but he never won anything of note. So why should a sponsor just hand him a bunch of cash right now and be like "Here you go!" He's got an arrogance about him that has nothing to back it up.

Him leaving doesn't make him a bad person, and I'm not making him public enemy number one because I "love ROOT all of a sudden." The fact of the matter is - he's showing a complete lack of class, dignity and professionalism in his attitude and behavior.


I'm not saying waht he did was right, I know hes a "hopper" and I know some people see that as the worst thing ever but its stupid to start putting the blame solely on him. From the look of his post he assumed that his position in ROOT would have been to help him go to tournaments and prove his worth, he didn't get that and left (or was kicked for not fitting in). Either way I think the obvious fanboyism toward ROOT in this thread is just ridiculous, from what I see of the whole situation is that ROOT rushed into recruiting a really good terran player, didnt like the way he acted and he was "forced out". This isn't a good situation for either party but I don't think Terran deserves all the hate hes getting.
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
April 07 2011 14:15 GMT
#327
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote:
Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail

Speak english dude...
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Ganjamaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Argentina475 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 14:28:15
April 07 2011 14:19 GMT
#328
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote:
Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail


TRANSLATION:

I have known you for 1-2 months and every mexican hates you except for ChavoDelOcho, and I think that is a shame. Everyone talks to you out of compromise, you are good but your short age and inmaturity demonstrate you cannot hold a large responsibility. You continue to create a bad reputation for yourself as in BW, I am glad everyone hates you on GL (?) [TL???], instead of being humble you keep being conceited and fail [sic].



My hoes be the thickest, my dro.. the stickiest
JimRising
Profile Joined September 2010
Mexico52 Posts
April 07 2011 14:19 GMT
#329
On April 07 2011 23:15 Termit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote:
Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail

Speak english dude...


i dont know how to speak english , hes going to read this , non-one like him in mexico :D
Trying to do my best =)
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
April 07 2011 14:23 GMT
#330
On April 07 2011 23:09 bmml wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 23:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On April 07 2011 21:50 bmml wrote:
On April 07 2011 21:37 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
On April 07 2011 20:24 bmml wrote:
Wish poeple would just lay off, he may be a notorious clan jumper but he didn't do anything to ROOT. Its their choice whether they ask him to join knowing that he could possibly leave, he has the right to move when he pleases. I'd assume due to ROOT's odd status in regards to sponsors there is no real formal contractual agreement among members (though I'm probably wrong). Anyway what I'm saying is tease him all you want, even point out he was a bit of an ass in the past but overally Terran is a bit of a boss so just give him a break. Not like the SC2 gods declared thou shalt not leave a clan if you do not like it.


He did this in BW, he's doing it again in SC2.

He wants a team that will support him in sponsoring him to go to different events, but I doubt any team that could afford it at this point would bother. As several people have said, he bounced between teams like a pinball in BW, changing almost weekly. It shows a major lack of professionalism, and I really don't care what age he is, if he's seeking sponsorship, he should be able to show maturity and respect.


Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave.

People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden.


I don't know about Nani's WC3 history, and I've been in and out of the SC2 scene, honestly. So I'm in no place to jump on a player I've only known about relatively recently. But I know about Terran's history with BW, which I was pretty involved in and kept a good tab on for the better part of 2+ years. I don't think you realize something: Pokebunny and Kawaii weren't exaggerating when they mentioned Terran's teamhopping early on.

The fact is, he has a history of jumping around showing 0 loyalty to teams, and now he's essentially demanding premier sponsorship to help him get to events while trashing the sponsors of his prior team. He has no actual achievements in SC2, and even in BW, he was never a tip-top player. He was good, but he never won anything of note. So why should a sponsor just hand him a bunch of cash right now and be like "Here you go!" He's got an arrogance about him that has nothing to back it up.

Him leaving doesn't make him a bad person, and I'm not making him public enemy number one because I "love ROOT all of a sudden." The fact of the matter is - he's showing a complete lack of class, dignity and professionalism in his attitude and behavior.


I'm not saying waht he did was right, I know hes a "hopper" and I know some people see that as the worst thing ever but its stupid to start putting the blame solely on him. From the look of his post he assumed that his position in ROOT would have been to help him go to tournaments and prove his worth, he didn't get that and left (or was kicked for not fitting in). Either way I think the obvious fanboyism toward ROOT in this thread is just ridiculous, from what I see of the whole situation is that ROOT rushed into recruiting a really good terran player, didnt like the way he acted and he was "forced out". This isn't a good situation for either party but I don't think Terran deserves all the hate hes getting.


I don't have a problem with the hopping, per se. It's his choice. I have a problem with any player hopping around with no results expecting handouts and then slandering the organization he just left, or their sponsors. Saying that Justin.tv and PokerStars are only "sponsors in name," after leaving/being dismissed is a pretty nasty thing to say, considering they just got on board.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Amirag
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico6 Posts
April 07 2011 14:24 GMT
#331
On April 07 2011 23:19 Ganjamaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote:
Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail


TRANSLATION:

I have known you for 1-2 months and every mexican hates you except for the "Chavo del Ocho" [popular, old Mexican sitcom comedy character], and I think that is a shame. Everyone talks to you out of compromise, you are good but your short age and inmaturity demonstrate you cannot hold a large responsibility. You continue to create a bad reputation for yourself as in BW, I am glad everyone hates you on GL (?) [TL???], instead of being humble you keep being conceited and fail [sic].



Actually he's referring to a mexican player who goes by the tag "ChavoDelOcho".
CidO
Profile Joined June 2010
United States695 Posts
April 07 2011 14:26 GMT
#332
With the track record in BW, and the record is apparently already continuing in SC2, who would want a player like this on their team? We've already seen the no-nonsense/no BM rules being enforced in a few tournaments, will sponsors really want their names being out there on someone who is BM?

I know I wouldn't sponsor someone who could potentially drag my name down, there are mistakes and sometimes they arise, but this seems like a for sure it's going to happen, it's just a matter of when. Just look at Root's statement and then the player coming out to give his side of the story. I think that's the first time since i've been following SC2 that i've seen a well known player leave a well known team then go on to bad mouth them shortly after.

To each his own, apparently this kid has the skills, maybe like a Chad Ocho Cinco, hopefully he'll mature and be a good player in time.
:P
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
April 07 2011 14:33 GMT
#333
On April 07 2011 22:36 Miniraser wrote:
well, he's very young and seems quite talented for his age. I'm pretty sure he'll find another team soon!

And another, and another, and another.
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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
April 07 2011 14:38 GMT
#334
Will be interesting to see if another team is willing enough to risk the hassle. That people are capable of changing Naniwa has shown recently...getting kicked out of MYM, staying for literally a few weeks in empire and now performing extremely well in dignitas.

The problem really is his history in BW and his manner. Otherwise his case wouldn't be that much different of, say, qxc...who also left because of the (lack of) money, and I see nobody talking down on him.
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heroj
Profile Joined January 2011
3 Posts
April 07 2011 14:47 GMT
#335
Juan has the rights to change the clans if he thinks he will get a better clan.

He didnt have a contract as I know dont see any problems to change clans
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
April 07 2011 14:48 GMT
#336
On April 07 2011 23:24 Amirag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 23:19 Ganjamaster wrote:
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote:
Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail


TRANSLATION:

I have known you for 1-2 months and every mexican hates you except for the "Chavo del Ocho" [popular, old Mexican sitcom comedy character], and I think that is a shame. Everyone talks to you out of compromise, you are good but your short age and inmaturity demonstrate you cannot hold a large responsibility. You continue to create a bad reputation for yourself as in BW, I am glad everyone hates you on GL (?) [TL???], instead of being humble you keep being conceited and fail [sic].



Actually he's referring to a mexican player who goes by the tag "ChavoDelOcho".

No, he's referring to the American Football player "Chad Ochochinco" who has similar tendencies.
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JimRising
Profile Joined September 2010
Mexico52 Posts
April 07 2011 14:48 GMT
#337
On April 07 2011 23:47 heroj wrote:
Juan has the rights to change the clans if he thinks he will get a better clan.

He didnt have a contract as I know dont see any problems to change clans



BJ
Trying to do my best =)
Ganjamaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Argentina475 Posts
April 07 2011 15:01 GMT
#338
On April 07 2011 23:48 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2011 23:24 Amirag wrote:
On April 07 2011 23:19 Ganjamaster wrote:
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote:
Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail


TRANSLATION:

I have known you for 1-2 months and every mexican hates you except for the "Chavo del Ocho" [popular, old Mexican sitcom comedy character], and I think that is a shame. Everyone talks to you out of compromise, you are good but your short age and inmaturity demonstrate you cannot hold a large responsibility. You continue to create a bad reputation for yourself as in BW, I am glad everyone hates you on GL (?) [TL???], instead of being humble you keep being conceited and fail [sic].



Actually he's referring to a mexican player who goes by the tag "ChavoDelOcho".

No, he's referring to the American Football player "Chad Ochochinco" who has similar tendencies.


LOL no, whereas your comparison to Chad Ochocinco (formerly known as Chad Johnson) is correct and was mentioned in the thread as well, JimmyVai was referring to another mexican player who goes by ChavoDelOcho. At the time I did not know that and just thought he was referencing the popular sitcom character that gives the series its name the "Chavo del Ocho", which in english roughly translates to "The dude from the eighth floor". This character is used in many latin countries to signify someone who doesn´t exist such as "your only friend is the chavo del ocho" meaning nobody is really your friend.
My hoes be the thickest, my dro.. the stickiest
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
April 07 2011 15:04 GMT
#339
On April 07 2011 23:47 heroj wrote:
Juan has the rights to change the clans if he thinks he will get a better clan.

He didnt have a contract as I know dont see any problems to change clans


No one said he didn't have the right to switch clans, but that lessens a lot of people's opinion of him particularly taking into considering his reputation from Brood War.

His attitude in general, even his posts in this thread just make me feel like ROOT is better off to be honest.

Some people seem to be missing the point and not understanding why some of us are disappointed with his actions. A team is a give-and-take and in ROOTs' case the team is also a tight-nit group of friends. For any team it would appear that Terran/Kitty simply takes what he can get and then hops. This is a display of selfishness and a lack of understanding of a team dynamic.

When people bring up the comparison to Naniwa there are some things to consider, Naniwa wasn't really considered selfish per-say, he was just considered to be an ass from what I know. He has since confronted his past image, honed up to his mistakes, given us some reason to understand his situation but not made it a big excuse, joined Dignitas, stuck with Dignitas and displayed that he seems to be getting along with his teammates. He has grown up, he honed up to his past.

Kitty doesn't seem to understand or realize that there is anything wrong with jumping ship the moment you're dissatisfied, expecting all the support you want but giving nothing... and so on. Even in the thread where he was announced to be joining ROOT, Kyhol from ONE said that he and his friends had gotten together and helped Kitty practice and gone over strategies with him, Kitty had apparently said he'd be joining ONE but joined ROOT instead.

Now, if you're tactful and respectful you can slowly transition out of one clan and make it clear that you feel you need to move on. This has been seen in the past without everyone flaming a person for changing teams. Kitty's way of handling the situation and showing little respect or understanding of the situation or his actions is what is resulting in people being a little annoyed.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
April 07 2011 15:05 GMT
#340
On April 07 2011 23:47 heroj wrote:
Juan has the rights to change the clans if he thinks he will get a better clan.

He didnt have a contract as I know dont see any problems to change clans

Just because he has the right to do so, doesn't mean he should be, or that he won't suffer anything to his reputation. Sure he can legally do it, but you know what the court of public opinion has to say about this.
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