EPTGosI[Terran] parts with ROOT - Page 17
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
On April 07 2011 22:53 Tiax;mous wrote: Huh? You're terribly wrong sir , before this last MLG , everyone was trashing / hating Naniwa. Any thread including his name turned into a nani hate thread in a few pages , even when his opponent BM'ed , people blamed him just because he's Naniwa ( I think it was dimaga vs naniwa , where Dimaga start BM'ing in the middle of game and Naniwa had to ask him to stop and then block him. Everyone in the LR thread was talking about how BM nani was...) People knock him for being BM sure, but in regards to his team swapping its more of a "lol naniwa swaps teams again" rather than a "OMG I CANT BELIEVE HE DID THIS TO ROOT, GOOD RIDDANCE THIS GUYS AN ASS" which is pretty much what this thread is. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On April 07 2011 21:50 bmml wrote: Naniwa has done exactly the same thing and doesn't even have the excuse of being a kid yet people dont give him an unbelieviably hard time. The way I see it ROOT has a responsibility to make it clear what they can offer their members and if a member doesn't get what they think they deserve, why the hell can't they leave. People need to get off their high horses, just because you leave a clan or team doesnt make you a bad person and demonising him as such is just silly. Sure its expected but it doesnt mean he should be public enemy number one just because people seem to love ROOT all of a sudden. I don't know about Nani's WC3 history, and I've been in and out of the SC2 scene, honestly. So I'm in no place to jump on a player I've only known about relatively recently. But I know about Terran's history with BW, which I was pretty involved in and kept a good tab on for the better part of 2+ years. I don't think you realize something: Pokebunny and Kawaii weren't exaggerating when they mentioned Terran's teamhopping early on. The fact is, he has a history of jumping around showing 0 loyalty to teams, and now he's essentially demanding premier sponsorship to help him get to events while trashing the sponsors of his prior team. He has no actual achievements in SC2, and even in BW, he was never a tip-top player. He was good, but he never won anything of note. So why should a sponsor just hand him a bunch of cash right now and be like "Here you go!" He's got an arrogance about him that has nothing to back it up. Him leaving doesn't make him a bad person, and I'm not making him public enemy number one because I "love ROOT all of a sudden." The fact of the matter is - he's showing a complete lack of class, dignity and professionalism in his attitude and behavior. | ||
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Terrifyer
United States338 Posts
On April 07 2011 22:28 Bill Murray wrote: I'm surprised this thread has deteriorated this much. My advice to you all is this: Life is very short, and there's no time for all this fussing and fighting my friends. TT1, you are above that senseless aggression. I always took you to be a very introverted and zen dude. Juan, I hope you find a place where you can call a "home". It's not about money, bro, it's about the love of the game... and I'm not talking about Kevin Costner. Guy who talked about TT1 hacking, you're cool. Seriously, you're really cool. Grow up. Bill Murray speaks the truth even though I have trolled TT1 about hacking in bw for a long time...... | ||
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JimRising
Mexico52 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
On April 07 2011 23:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I don't know about Nani's WC3 history, and I've been in and out of the SC2 scene, honestly. So I'm in no place to jump on a player I've only known about relatively recently. But I know about Terran's history with BW, which I was pretty involved in and kept a good tab on for the better part of 2+ years. I don't think you realize something: Pokebunny and Kawaii weren't exaggerating when they mentioned Terran's teamhopping early on. The fact is, he has a history of jumping around showing 0 loyalty to teams, and now he's essentially demanding premier sponsorship to help him get to events while trashing the sponsors of his prior team. He has no actual achievements in SC2, and even in BW, he was never a tip-top player. He was good, but he never won anything of note. So why should a sponsor just hand him a bunch of cash right now and be like "Here you go!" He's got an arrogance about him that has nothing to back it up. Him leaving doesn't make him a bad person, and I'm not making him public enemy number one because I "love ROOT all of a sudden." The fact of the matter is - he's showing a complete lack of class, dignity and professionalism in his attitude and behavior. I'm not saying waht he did was right, I know hes a "hopper" and I know some people see that as the worst thing ever but its stupid to start putting the blame solely on him. From the look of his post he assumed that his position in ROOT would have been to help him go to tournaments and prove his worth, he didn't get that and left (or was kicked for not fitting in). Either way I think the obvious fanboyism toward ROOT in this thread is just ridiculous, from what I see of the whole situation is that ROOT rushed into recruiting a really good terran player, didnt like the way he acted and he was "forced out". This isn't a good situation for either party but I don't think Terran deserves all the hate hes getting. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote: Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail Speak english dude... | ||
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Ganjamaster
Argentina475 Posts
On April 07 2011 23:08 JimmyVai wrote: Te conosco hace 1-2 meses les caes MAL a todos los mexicanos solo Chavo del ocho le caes bien y eso creo ke es lastima, todos los demas te hablan por compromiso, eres bueno pero tu corta edad e inmadures demuestra que no puedes llevar una responsabilidad tan grande sigue creando mala fama como en BW me da gusto quee todos te odien GL, en lugar de ser humilde sigue de presumido y fail TRANSLATION: I have known you for 1-2 months and every mexican hates you except for ChavoDelOcho, and I think that is a shame. Everyone talks to you out of compromise, you are good but your short age and inmaturity demonstrate you cannot hold a large responsibility. You continue to create a bad reputation for yourself as in BW, I am glad everyone hates you on GL (?) [TL???], instead of being humble you keep being conceited and fail [sic]. | ||
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JimRising
Mexico52 Posts
i dont know how to speak english , hes going to read this  , non-one like him in mexico :D | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On April 07 2011 23:09 bmml wrote: I'm not saying waht he did was right, I know hes a "hopper" and I know some people see that as the worst thing ever but its stupid to start putting the blame solely on him. From the look of his post he assumed that his position in ROOT would have been to help him go to tournaments and prove his worth, he didn't get that and left (or was kicked for not fitting in). Either way I think the obvious fanboyism toward ROOT in this thread is just ridiculous, from what I see of the whole situation is that ROOT rushed into recruiting a really good terran player, didnt like the way he acted and he was "forced out". This isn't a good situation for either party but I don't think Terran deserves all the hate hes getting. I don't have a problem with the hopping, per se. It's his choice. I have a problem with any player hopping around with no results expecting handouts and then slandering the organization he just left, or their sponsors. Saying that Justin.tv and PokerStars are only "sponsors in name," after leaving/being dismissed is a pretty nasty thing to say, considering they just got on board. | ||
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Amirag
Mexico6 Posts
On April 07 2011 23:19 Ganjamaster wrote: TRANSLATION: I have known you for 1-2 months and every mexican hates you except for the "Chavo del Ocho" [popular, old Mexican sitcom comedy character], and I think that is a shame. Everyone talks to you out of compromise, you are good but your short age and inmaturity demonstrate you cannot hold a large responsibility. You continue to create a bad reputation for yourself as in BW, I am glad everyone hates you on GL (?) [TL???], instead of being humble you keep being conceited and fail [sic]. Actually he's referring to a mexican player who goes by the tag "ChavoDelOcho". | ||
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CidO
United States695 Posts
I know I wouldn't sponsor someone who could potentially drag my name down, there are mistakes and sometimes they arise, but this seems like a for sure it's going to happen, it's just a matter of when. Just look at Root's statement and then the player coming out to give his side of the story. I think that's the first time since i've been following SC2 that i've seen a well known player leave a well known team then go on to bad mouth them shortly after. To each his own, apparently this kid has the skills, maybe like a Chad Ocho Cinco, hopefully he'll mature and be a good player in time. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On April 07 2011 22:36 Miniraser wrote: well, he's very young and seems quite talented for his age. I'm pretty sure he'll find another team soon! And another, and another, and another. + Show Spoiler + and another | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
The problem really is his history in BW and his manner. Otherwise his case wouldn't be that much different of, say, qxc...who also left because of the (lack of) money, and I see nobody talking down on him. | ||
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heroj
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He didnt have a contract as I know dont see any problems to change clans | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On April 07 2011 23:24 Amirag wrote: Actually he's referring to a mexican player who goes by the tag "ChavoDelOcho". No, he's referring to the American Football player "Chad Ochochinco" who has similar tendencies. | ||
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JimRising
Mexico52 Posts
On April 07 2011 23:47 heroj wrote: Juan has the rights to change the clans if he thinks he will get a better clan. He didnt have a contract as I know dont see any problems to change clans BJ | ||
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Ganjamaster
Argentina475 Posts
On April 07 2011 23:48 tree.hugger wrote: No, he's referring to the American Football player "Chad Ochochinco" who has similar tendencies. LOL no, whereas your comparison to Chad Ochocinco (formerly known as Chad Johnson) is correct and was mentioned in the thread as well, JimmyVai was referring to another mexican player who goes by ChavoDelOcho. At the time I did not know that and just thought he was referencing the popular sitcom character that gives the series its name the "Chavo del Ocho", which in english roughly translates to "The dude from the eighth floor". This character is used in many latin countries to signify someone who doesn´t exist such as "your only friend is the chavo del ocho" meaning nobody is really your friend. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On April 07 2011 23:47 heroj wrote: Juan has the rights to change the clans if he thinks he will get a better clan. He didnt have a contract as I know dont see any problems to change clans No one said he didn't have the right to switch clans, but that lessens a lot of people's opinion of him particularly taking into considering his reputation from Brood War. His attitude in general, even his posts in this thread just make me feel like ROOT is better off to be honest. Some people seem to be missing the point and not understanding why some of us are disappointed with his actions. A team is a give-and-take and in ROOTs' case the team is also a tight-nit group of friends. For any team it would appear that Terran/Kitty simply takes what he can get and then hops. This is a display of selfishness and a lack of understanding of a team dynamic. When people bring up the comparison to Naniwa there are some things to consider, Naniwa wasn't really considered selfish per-say, he was just considered to be an ass from what I know. He has since confronted his past image, honed up to his mistakes, given us some reason to understand his situation but not made it a big excuse, joined Dignitas, stuck with Dignitas and displayed that he seems to be getting along with his teammates. He has grown up, he honed up to his past. Kitty doesn't seem to understand or realize that there is anything wrong with jumping ship the moment you're dissatisfied, expecting all the support you want but giving nothing... and so on. Even in the thread where he was announced to be joining ROOT, Kyhol from ONE said that he and his friends had gotten together and helped Kitty practice and gone over strategies with him, Kitty had apparently said he'd be joining ONE but joined ROOT instead. Now, if you're tactful and respectful you can slowly transition out of one clan and make it clear that you feel you need to move on. This has been seen in the past without everyone flaming a person for changing teams. Kitty's way of handling the situation and showing little respect or understanding of the situation or his actions is what is resulting in people being a little annoyed. | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On April 07 2011 23:47 heroj wrote: Juan has the rights to change the clans if he thinks he will get a better clan. He didnt have a contract as I know dont see any problems to change clans Just because he has the right to do so, doesn't mean he should be, or that he won't suffer anything to his reputation. Sure he can legally do it, but you know what the court of public opinion has to say about this. | ||
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