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GhettoSheep
Profile Joined August 2008
United States150 Posts
March 13 2011 19:24 GMT
#521
we have a separate thread for this, why did you need to write an essay? Do you do this every time you think somebody hacked?
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
March 13 2011 19:25 GMT
#522
Yes. iGware is shitting all over the ladder and he's cheating people out of tournaments.
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
March 13 2011 19:27 GMT
#523
Makes me worry for the NASL ...

it's so easy to hack and pretend like you aren't.
terr13
Profile Joined April 2007
United States298 Posts
March 13 2011 19:40 GMT
#524
On March 14 2011 01:30 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 19:57 Whizon wrote:
On March 13 2011 13:33 RandomRice wrote:
On March 13 2011 05:42 PainUser wrote:
IGware entered into a local LAN tournament at Berkeley in the San Francisco Bay Area. Proceeded to knock me and Axslav out in the first and second rounds of the tournament. The tournament organizers let him play from his dorm room if I'm not mistaken because he was a Berkeley student and there "weren't enough computers"? Several "friends" of his messaged me saying that Sorcery was infact playing on his account from another location and that he had been cheating the entire time. Really low stuff it's funny to see this thread after the fact.


I feel I need to clarify some things. I was one of the tournament organizers for this event. I allowed igware to compete from his home on the condition that he attends in person for the semi-finals (eventually, he did not comply with this condition). He told me that he lives quite a distance away from Berkeley and had some business that he needed to take care of during the time of our tournament. I did not think too much about it and permitted it under the promise that he would show up in person eventually to our event. I was not aware that he allowed Sorcery to play on his account, nor was I aware of Sorcery's history of hacking...

I am relatively new to the Starcraft community and want to be a positive contribution to the community. However, my lack of experience with setting up these events has allowed this to happen and I am very upset that this kind of affair is now associated with one of my first event =/

I promise that future events will have more strict regulations with players to prevent these kind of things happening again...




I think it's a good thing you clarified this. No one can do anything perfect from the start when they first do something, like organizing a tournament. This happening, shows you learned from it. And you're honest about it. That's awesome in my opinion. Hackers/cheaters exist, and that's a fact. It's a shame that they knocked out people from a tournament in the past, but you're making the gesture that you don't want stuff like that to happen again in the future. I wish everyone could be as constructive as this.
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I feel the thread served its purpose, and it sucks to see people saying "once a cheater, always a cheater" kind of stuff. Cheaters only fool themselves in the end. TT1 is the living proof of the fact that stealing once doesn't make you a thief for life.

Having a certain feeling for justice myself, it gives me a first feeling David Zhu and Josh Price should be banned for ever, or whatever punishment others have brought up in this thread. But really, give them a chance. Because that first feeling is a load of crap that doesn't ever help anything get better as a whole. The fact that cheating in this game isn't going to work out doesn't mean they are bad players for the rest of their lives. But they very well could be on the other hand. Who knows? Time will tell. If they fail at SC2, no one will notice anyway, and they will move on to another game, be it cheating or not. If they succeed at SC2, people will be proven wrong.

So where's that crystal sphere again that allows me to see the actual future, instead of mindlessly filling it in in my brain?


The problem here is that this is not the first offense for either of these guys.

Sorcery (Josh Price)is an infamous hacker (LastHitMagic) from DotA: http://nadota.com/articles/121--the-controversial-case-of-map-hack

iGware (David Zhu) played in csl despite having already graduated and this caused the team he played for to be punished for it.

Also, iGware entered a local LAN tournament, deceived the organizers to let him play at home so that Sorcery can play in his place, and Sorcery most likely maphacked then as well considering he beat PainUser and Axslav on his way to the semifinals where he eventually got disqualified.


I just want to clarify, he was not disqualified from the semifinals. He lost to another player, perhaps purposely, and then won in the 3rd/4th place match.
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
March 13 2011 19:43 GMT
#525
On March 14 2011 04:27 Gentso wrote:
Makes me worry for the NASL ...

it's so easy to hack and pretend like you aren't.



Well you'd have to go to the LAN if you're in the top 16 right? So that wouldnt really be possible, unless you want to hack your way into the 17th spot
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frozt_
Profile Joined January 2011
United States234 Posts
March 13 2011 19:54 GMT
#526
On March 12 2011 11:57 Diks wrote:
I've watched yhe first replay and there is absolutely no sign of him hacking.
And you won that game ! whats wrong with you ?
your hidden expo was not discovered for nearly 10 minutes, he was surprise and out of postion on most of your drops.
I've watched the game from his point of view, and that was a standard game that he lost.... Why suspecting him of cheating ?
I have to agree, the first game I'm not sure why you posted for your argument of him being a cheater, the game where he built 6 bunkers without scouting the baneling nest however was a bit odd. Can't say I am 100% convinced but I have my suspicions. Blizzard however, cannot ban people for just a replay, The cheaters need to be caught with the programs running on blizzard's client cheating. They need "proof" of them cheating, they can't just ban people from bnet when they pay 60$ for a game and just ban off a replay. They need solid proof of a cheater.
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Azide
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada566 Posts
March 13 2011 19:57 GMT
#527
On March 14 2011 04:43 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 04:27 Gentso wrote:
Makes me worry for the NASL ...

it's so easy to hack and pretend like you aren't.



Well you'd have to go to the LAN if you're in the top 16 right? So that wouldnt really be possible, unless you want to hack your way into the 17th spot


Ok but to get to the 17th spot you'd have to CHEAT your way there and take someone elses spot who is deserving and could potentially win the whole thing. What if Jinro/Idra or one of the players you enjoy watching loses to a hacker and then the hacker gets raped at the LAN lol?
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Azide
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada566 Posts
March 13 2011 19:58 GMT
#528
On March 14 2011 04:54 frozt_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 11:57 Diks wrote:
I've watched yhe first replay and there is absolutely no sign of him hacking.
And you won that game ! whats wrong with you ?
your hidden expo was not discovered for nearly 10 minutes, he was surprise and out of postion on most of your drops.
I've watched the game from his point of view, and that was a standard game that he lost.... Why suspecting him of cheating ?
I have to agree, the first game I'm not sure why you posted for your argument of him being a cheater, the game where he built 6 bunkers without scouting the baneling nest however was a bit odd. Can't say I am 100% convinced but I have my suspicions. Blizzard however, cannot ban people for just a replay, The cheaters need to be caught with the programs running on blizzard's client cheating. They need "proof" of them cheating, they can't just ban people from bnet when they pay 60$ for a game and just ban off a replay. They need solid proof of a cheater.


Did you miss the post where he made a full confession? ~_~
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Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
March 13 2011 19:58 GMT
#529
On March 14 2011 04:43 Deadlyfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 04:27 Gentso wrote:
Makes me worry for the NASL ...

it's so easy to hack and pretend like you aren't.



Well you'd have to go to the LAN if you're in the top 16 right? So that wouldnt really be possible, unless you want to hack your way into the 17th spot


Oh, interesting.. I thought the lan was for the finals only.
Khanz
Profile Joined April 2010
France214 Posts
March 13 2011 19:59 GMT
#530
all of this makes me so sad, hacks do really exist... and lower divisions could be the hackfest by now so sad
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ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States437 Posts
March 13 2011 22:35 GMT
#531
On March 14 2011 03:20 TT1 wrote:
WTF why do i randomly always get mentioned in these threads



I wonder.
Mabius
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada323 Posts
March 13 2011 22:42 GMT
#532
Of course hacks exist... One just needs to google search and can find the very hack this person used. It has all the features according to the site which I won't post obviously, to be able to not get caught.

-They can turn on map hack with fog of war on still but they can see through it, they can "lock" the camera on a specific location so that when they look into fog of war it doesn't show in the replay.

-They can also bring up unit tab and production tab while in game

-They can give themselves any achievements as well.

It's sad that this still goes on and blizzard only does bans in huge waves every 3-4 months.. but this is something that's never going to change.

"Every revolution carries within it the seeds of it's own destruction.. and empires that rise will one day fall"
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 22:42:50
March 13 2011 22:42 GMT
#533
On March 14 2011 07:35 ProTech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 03:20 TT1 wrote:
WTF why do i randomly always get mentioned in these threads



I wonder.


Haha seriously, It's the most scumbag thing a starcraft player can ever do. Even if someone did it once 15 years ago it would still be brought up nowadays if they were well known enough.

yes i know sc wasnt around 15 years ago.
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
SeleCT
Profile Joined August 2010
United States106 Posts
March 13 2011 22:48 GMT
#534
damn. I was like WTF? someone is 50 points ahead of me?? how??
and laddered up and got my #1 back ^_^
However i wish I played versus him I think i still can beat him even though he plays with maphack
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States437 Posts
March 13 2011 22:55 GMT
#535
On March 14 2011 07:48 SeleCT wrote:
damn. I was like WTF? someone is 50 points ahead of me?? how??
and laddered up and got my #1 back ^_^
However i wish I played versus him I think i still can beat him even though he plays with maphack



Rofl, don't worry he openly addmitted
zivac
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia389 Posts
March 13 2011 23:14 GMT
#536
On March 14 2011 07:48 SeleCT wrote:
damn. I was like WTF? someone is 50 points ahead of me?? how??
and laddered up and got my #1 back ^_^
However i wish I played versus him I think i still can beat him even though he plays with maphack


haha select i just wonder how you looked when you saw some xy guy took your spot on ladder :D
SaturnAttack
Profile Joined September 2010
United States125 Posts
March 13 2011 23:21 GMT
#537
When I first heard someone hype iGware I was excited to see some new talent in the community, and now this

Very disappointed it had to come to this. Would have loved to see someone like Select beat this piece of shit cheater.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
March 13 2011 23:40 GMT
#538
On March 14 2011 04:59 Khanz wrote:
all of this makes me so sad, hacks do really exist... and lower divisions could be the hackfest by now so sad


I would say the upper divisions actually have a much greater percentage of hackers. Players in masters/diamond tend to care more about their rankings because they take this game more seriously and given the nature of SC2, if you know everything your opponents are doing, your chance of winning goes up by quite a bit, as even shown in Josh Price's case.
jester-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada547 Posts
March 14 2011 00:44 GMT
#539
I'd disagree and say most of the hackers are going to be in the lower leagues because they are either:

a) New to the game and don't want to learn or lose

b) Bad enough to need to cheat.

Either way, you have absolutely no way of knowing and neither do I, so why speculate?
Arise, chicken sandwich.
Holdinga
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria300 Posts
March 14 2011 00:47 GMT
#540
i guess there is nothing better than beating a maphacker xD at this game... he should then ff life
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