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This is quite sad, since Kelly was the second best caster that they currently have on staff, only behind Artosis. I honestly prefer her casting to Tasteless'. Artosis is a champion caster, since he gives reasonable insights into the metagame, but I've always found Tasteless' comments very trivial and sometimes childish.
Honestly, to the people who say that they couldn't understand her: Go learn the English language. If you even had a decent grasp on it, then you would completely understand what she was saying. Yes, she has an accent. So does everyone who doesn't live in America. Deal with it.
The more and more time I spend around the influx of noobs and trolls in the SC2 community, the more and more I want the BW version of TeamLiquid back. Many of the comments in this thread are racist, bigoted, and bursting with ignorance, when there exist no grounds for such things.
Kelly, I know that you read this thread, so good luck in the future! Here's hoping you make it big.
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Hopefully I don't get banned for this, but here goes.
On March 11 2011 16:47 WorldTraveleR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 16:26 Dubpace wrote: Yes we should lock a thread in which people discuss a viable topic that is fresh on the communities mind...? Let us get it out of our systems now. Exactly what I was thinking. She just wants to hear that she's doing great even though this is Not the case. An honest discussion about Good casting serves the community even if it does not serve one individual's needs. However, this is a community and this topic has clearly frustrated a lot of people, me being one of them. I just went through your post history (14 posts lol) and couldn't help but notice that EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts on TL is an anti-Kelly post, even in her own fan club thread.
FURTHERMORE, 5 of those posts are just you copy/pasting your bullshit into various different threads. (ie. 1, 2, 3)
How dare you call yourself a member of this community when you contribute nothing of worth to it? The community doesn't need trash like you. Sick of seeing shit like this.
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On March 11 2011 16:48 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 16:26 Dubpace wrote: Yes we should lock a thread in which people discuss a viable topic that is fresh on the communities mind...? Let us get it out of our systems now. FRESH? Are you fucking kidding? This dead horse has been beaten for a whole month, she's going back home, LET IT GO ALREADY.
Dox what are you talking about? The announcement of Kelly leaving Korea was announced the 9th...today is the 11th.
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On March 11 2011 17:04 Dubpace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 16:48 Dox wrote:On March 11 2011 16:26 Dubpace wrote: Yes we should lock a thread in which people discuss a viable topic that is fresh on the communities mind...? Let us get it out of our systems now. FRESH? Are you fucking kidding? This dead horse has been beaten for a whole month, she's going back home, LET IT GO ALREADY. Dox what are you talking about? The announcement of Kelly leaving Korea was announced the 9th...today is the 11th. You know what I'm talking about. People have been whining about Kelly before she even arrived in Korea. She's leaving in a few days and people are still going. Time to move along and inevitably whine about something else.
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On March 10 2011 12:42 Teivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 12:36 BlazedHydra wrote: to all the people who complain about her speech, and say that they cant understand her, you guys should be ashamed. this girl had the balls to get on live tv and cast a VIDEO GAME!! that shows tremendous courage that you dont usually see out of women and i think she should be commended.
also, you people act like youve never heard an asian speek english befor, sure it can be broken at times but its perfectly understandable, maybe she wasnt the most educated in the nuances of sc2 but i had absolutly no problem understanding her. sure she pronounces words funny but you can totally tell what word she is trying to pronounce, no need for the hate mongering. it takes balls for guys to go up there and cast something too and the hate has nothing to do with her being a girl or asian (other than pro Kelly people claiming that it does). seriously no one cares other than you white knights that she is a girl*. If she wants to cast GOM then let it be for whatever language her accent suits her for, but that language is NOT English *to clarify, if she was a guy I'm 100% sure all of you would be angry about her accent as well
NO i wouldnt be angry about her accent if she was a guy, because it doesn't bother me. IN THE LEAST. i didnt say she was a good caster i didnt say she knew jack about sc2 i just said that people need to get over her speech because its seriously not that bad. i can understand her just fine. for the record i used to watch bw matches and i couldnt understand ANYTHING the casters were saying CUZ IT WAS IN KOREAN and i still had plenty of fun watching the games, and never ever bitched at the casters.
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On March 11 2011 17:02 Dox wrote:Hopefully I don't get banned for this, but here goes. Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 16:47 WorldTraveleR wrote:On March 11 2011 16:26 Dubpace wrote: Yes we should lock a thread in which people discuss a viable topic that is fresh on the communities mind...? Let us get it out of our systems now. Exactly what I was thinking. She just wants to hear that she's doing great even though this is Not the case. An honest discussion about Good casting serves the community even if it does not serve one individual's needs. However, this is a community and this topic has clearly frustrated a lot of people, me being one of them. I just went through your post history (14 posts lol) and couldn't help but notice that EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts on TL is an anti-Kelly post, even in her own fan club thread. FURTHERMORE, 5 of those posts are just you copy/pasting your bullshit into various different threads. (ie. 1, 2, 3) How dare you call yourself a member of this community when you contribute nothing of worth to it? The community doesn't need trash like you. Sick of seeing shit like this. ugh...thats so incredibly disheartening. the idea of creating an account just to bitch and moan about someone who you dont know personally and who never said anything harmful to anyone is just sad to me. ive seen at least 1 other person here whos only posts were to complain about Terran and liberals, but when it becomes personal thats just ridiculous.
its an interesting point about the other code A caster. is his commentating and analysis so much better than kelly's that people aren't complaining about him? again, i refuse to believe that people truly find it difficult to understand kelly because many also find her english is easily understandable.
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On March 11 2011 16:48 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 16:26 Dubpace wrote: Yes we should lock a thread in which people discuss a viable topic that is fresh on the communities mind...? Let us get it out of our systems now. FRESH? Are you fucking kidding? This dead horse has been beaten for a whole month, she's going back home, LET IT GO ALREADY.
Personally I think this little quote from a few posts above adds a new dimension to the discussion.
On March 11 2011 16:20 kellymilkies wrote: I went in to troll. God people need to relax. This shows a really bad and very unprofessional attitude and I am actually glad she is gone from GSL casting.
Lets apply some common sense: - Everyone dislikes trolls. - Trolls are very emotional about what they do and answer with their heart instead of their mind. - Trolls feed on trolling. So if someone dislikes trolling he or she should never ever troll herself. This should be especially true for "professionals" and people "in the public eye". That is the big difference from a casting job and any 9 to 5 factory job ... everything you do is subject to criticism and you dont have a private life anymore where you can troll and misbehave as you like as "Joe Factoryworker" can. A comment like "people need to relax" to justify trolling is beyond belief.
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I don't understand when people say stop complaining about her accent when ever Singaporean people are coming on here and posting how atrocious her speaking actually is? Cool you can understand her, so can I doesnt mean I want to hear anyone talk like that the whole time. I've known many people from singapore and heard them talk I've never encountered anyone else that talked like that. Is it her fault? No but sometimes you just dont cut it for certain things I wish i was math genius but I never got math so maybe I don't go into a math career? Stands to reason i think. I don't care if they want girl casters im not sexist or racist its fine bring in another asian girl or a girl of any descent as long as she has some game knowledge and speaks clear and concise english.
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On March 11 2011 17:02 Dox wrote:Hopefully I don't get banned for this, but here goes. Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 16:47 WorldTraveleR wrote:On March 11 2011 16:26 Dubpace wrote: Yes we should lock a thread in which people discuss a viable topic that is fresh on the communities mind...? Let us get it out of our systems now. Exactly what I was thinking. She just wants to hear that she's doing great even though this is Not the case. An honest discussion about Good casting serves the community even if it does not serve one individual's needs. However, this is a community and this topic has clearly frustrated a lot of people, me being one of them. I just went through your post history (14 posts lol) and couldn't help but notice that EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts on TL is an anti-Kelly post, even in her own fan club thread. FURTHERMORE, 5 of those posts are just you copy/pasting your bullshit into various different threads. (ie. 1, 2, 3) How dare you call yourself a member of this community when you contribute nothing of worth to it? The community doesn't need trash like you. Sick of seeing shit like this.
who the hell are you to call him trash? what have you done for this community? Just because you are butt hurt that not everyone likes Kelly doesn't give you the right to call other people trash.
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On March 11 2011 17:20 jamesmax wrote: I don't understand when people say stop complaining about her accent when ever Singaporean people are coming on here and posting how atrocious her speaking actually is? Cool you can understand her, so can I doesnt mean I want to hear anyone talk like that the whole time. I've known many people from singapore and heard them talk I've never encountered anyone else that talked like that. Is it her fault? No but sometimes you just dont cut it for certain things I wish i was math genius but I never got math so maybe I don't go into a math career? Stands to reason i think. I don't care if they want girl casters im not sexist or racist its fine bring in another asian girl or a girl of any descent as long as she has some game knowledge and speaks clear and concise english. this is the goddamn honesty and decency i wish most of the people who didn't like kelly's casts showed. its totally fine not to like her and to voice your opinion about it, but why be a dick about it?
On March 11 2011 17:31 storm44 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 17:02 Dox wrote:Hopefully I don't get banned for this, but here goes. On March 11 2011 16:47 WorldTraveleR wrote:On March 11 2011 16:26 Dubpace wrote: Yes we should lock a thread in which people discuss a viable topic that is fresh on the communities mind...? Let us get it out of our systems now. Exactly what I was thinking. She just wants to hear that she's doing great even though this is Not the case. An honest discussion about Good casting serves the community even if it does not serve one individual's needs. However, this is a community and this topic has clearly frustrated a lot of people, me being one of them. I just went through your post history (14 posts lol) and couldn't help but notice that EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts on TL is an anti-Kelly post, even in her own fan club thread. FURTHERMORE, 5 of those posts are just you copy/pasting your bullshit into various different threads. (ie. 1, 2, 3) How dare you call yourself a member of this community when you contribute nothing of worth to it? The community doesn't need trash like you. Sick of seeing shit like this. who the hell are you to call him trash? what have you done for this community? Just because you are butt hurt that not everyone likes Kelly doesn't give you the right to call other people trash. hey asshole, we can call him a dick because he apparently made an account for the specific purpose of talking shit about someone who hasnt done anything bad. i didnt really like kelly as a caster either, but i didnt go out of my way to bitch her out. since when did we have to contribute to the TL community to call someone out for being a mean spirited person?
Edit: Its unbelievable how much gender has come into this discussion. People who like kelly say "omg nerds hate kelly because shes a girl" and people who dont like her say "omg nerds like her cuz theyr lonely and shes a girl". Since when has it been so difficult just to discuss opinions without bringing in petty bullshit arguments?
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Also it's pretty funny that it's all of a sudden taboo for somebody to discuss their negative opinion. I fully appreciate a true discussion where two sides discuss how they feel, but here the white knights that feel the need to DEFEND Kelly are honestly "just as bad" (If you wish to call it bad, they are just voicing their opinion as well) as the people with negative opinions.
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This was obviously coming, and with very good reason. She was absolutely terrible. Code A casting can only improve from here. Doa with a solid analytical caster could end up being really good.
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On March 11 2011 17:31 storm44 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 17:02 Dox wrote:Hopefully I don't get banned for this, but here goes. On March 11 2011 16:47 WorldTraveleR wrote:On March 11 2011 16:26 Dubpace wrote: Yes we should lock a thread in which people discuss a viable topic that is fresh on the communities mind...? Let us get it out of our systems now. Exactly what I was thinking. She just wants to hear that she's doing great even though this is Not the case. An honest discussion about Good casting serves the community even if it does not serve one individual's needs. However, this is a community and this topic has clearly frustrated a lot of people, me being one of them. I just went through your post history (14 posts lol) and couldn't help but notice that EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts on TL is an anti-Kelly post, even in her own fan club thread. FURTHERMORE, 5 of those posts are just you copy/pasting your bullshit into various different threads. (ie. 1, 2, 3) How dare you call yourself a member of this community when you contribute nothing of worth to it? The community doesn't need trash like you. Sick of seeing shit like this. who the hell are you to call him trash? what have you done for this community? Just because you are butt hurt that not everyone likes Kelly doesn't give you the right to call other people trash.
He can call him trash because he created an account for 1 reason and 1 reason only: to bitch about somebody he doesnt like. How hard can it be to see that this is not really a positive contribution to this site.
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I'm honestly taken aback by your attack Dox. I decided to posted on this issue because I felt very strongly about it. So what? I did purchase a Season pass after all and so her casting effects me the same way it effects everyone.
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On March 11 2011 18:08 betaV1.25 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 17:31 storm44 wrote:On March 11 2011 17:02 Dox wrote:Hopefully I don't get banned for this, but here goes. On March 11 2011 16:47 WorldTraveleR wrote:On March 11 2011 16:26 Dubpace wrote: Yes we should lock a thread in which people discuss a viable topic that is fresh on the communities mind...? Let us get it out of our systems now. Exactly what I was thinking. She just wants to hear that she's doing great even though this is Not the case. An honest discussion about Good casting serves the community even if it does not serve one individual's needs. However, this is a community and this topic has clearly frustrated a lot of people, me being one of them. I just went through your post history (14 posts lol) and couldn't help but notice that EVERY SINGLE ONE of your posts on TL is an anti-Kelly post, even in her own fan club thread. FURTHERMORE, 5 of those posts are just you copy/pasting your bullshit into various different threads. (ie. 1, 2, 3) How dare you call yourself a member of this community when you contribute nothing of worth to it? The community doesn't need trash like you. Sick of seeing shit like this. who the hell are you to call him trash? what have you done for this community? Just because you are butt hurt that not everyone likes Kelly doesn't give you the right to call other people trash. He can call him trash because he created an account for 1 reason and 1 reason only: to bitch about somebody he doesnt like. How hard can it be to see that this is not really a positive contribution to this site. Seriously, I only see 2 reason to bashing kelly this way: she is a woman, she is young in the community and you're so conservative. I mean sure you can hate her casting, but damn just say it once or twice and move on. Bashing her this way, making a 50 page long post just to say "her accent is shit", that makes me think there is something wrong with you.
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Also, my posts have nothing "Personal" about them. I don't like her casting ability and that's my opinion. If you don't like it, talk about it instead of attacking me Personally.
Upon reading more of your posts Dox, I see you are just angry that she left. Too bad. And as for my posts, I welcome anyone to read any and all of them. There is nothing I am ashamed of or would not say again. So bring it.
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On March 11 2011 18:14 WorldTraveleR wrote: I'm honestly taken aback by your attack Dox. I decided to posted on this issue because I felt very strongly about it. So what? I did purchase a Season pass after all and so her casting effects me the same way it effects everyone. Taken aback?
Really? It allways suprises me that people still dont realise that hate comes back to you. Perhaps you should learn from this, when you come to a place and do nothing but express negative comments. People will think low of you... with very good reason.
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On March 11 2011 18:17 WorldTraveleR wrote: Also, my posts have nothing "Personal" about them. I don't like her casting ability and that's my opinion. If you don't like it, talk about it instead of attacking me Personally.
Upon reading more of your posts Dox, I see you are just angry that she left. Too bad. And as for my posts, I welcome anyone to read any and all of them. There is nothing I am ashamed of or would not say again. So bring it. I'm angry too man, she was cute, if the sea was not between us... no more boobies in GSL because you bastard! DoA is a man, can't you see it ? The homo SC2 community already have Tasteless and his super small t-shirt.
Troll apart, pointing out her gaming skill is irrelevant, being a good player does not makes you a good caster, and you don't have to play the game to have knowledge (watching replay, knowing the scene can be enough).
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On March 10 2011 20:37 tyCe wrote: When she was just hired, I was a neutral and I believed that she deserved a chance to show what she could do. Now that she has almost finished a season of casts, I think we, as viewers, are qualified to assess her suitability for the GSL.
Succintly, I think she is not of a sufficient standard to be one of the faces of the GSL to the international community. Putting aside her accent, which I think, at its worst moments, can throw a viewer's attention off the game, she has several debilitating deficiencies as a live commentator for an event as large as the GSL.
Firstly, she lacks the game knowledge to produce insightful and accurate analysis of the game on-the-fly. With DoA being a far better play-by-play commentator, this deficiency is made even more obvious. Her better casts were with Artosis and Tasteless, one of the reasons for which was because they could cover for her lack of strategical insight, reducing her role to more of a play-by-play caster, and sometimes even less, as a commentary supplement or "side-kick".
Secondly, she lacks the interpersonal skills or proficiency of the English language to interact with her co-caster synergistically. Oftentimes, she has disregarded a conversion started by her co-caster and proceeded to say something completely irrelevant. It leaves her co-caster hanging and makes for awkward transitions and moments. In that way, she does not provide support for her co-caster in the manner that Artosis and Tasteless often do, saving each other from awkward silences due to overly lame jokes or completely off-topic statements. Her deficiency is not due to a lack of time to gel with DoA, as DoA does his workload of the "gelling" fine enough. Crucially, her mistakes are often very basic. She oftentimes ignores what DoA (or Artosis or Tasteless) has said and just recites a line that she had clearly conjured while her co-caster was trying to dialogue with her. This is commentary symbiosis 101. In fact, it is also plain good manners.
Thirdly, I can unequivocally argue that she is uninteresting. She lacks the charisma to engage directly with the audience, oftentimes falling back and relying on her co-casters energy and wit to create humour. She lacks the eloquency or the proficiency of English required to cogently explain her point, weak or inaccurate that point may be. She often cuts short her sentence and waits in anticipation for her co-caster to "rescue" her with a follow-up dialogue (while she does not do so for her co-caster herself). Her tendency to do this leads to a lack of continuity in the commentary, or even where there is continuity, it is often awkward or forced.
So, I think that she is very very far from the professional standard that a caster of the GSL requires. By professional, I mean a caster that can engage personally with the audience, supports and leads his/her co-caster to synergistic effect, and a caster that can bring insight or some other benefit to the commentary. Her points are generally weak and are oftentimes inaccurate. Her delivery is poor and she does not explain what she is trying to say. Her compatibility with her co-caster depends on her co-caster's ability to bridge the divide by himself/herself. In fact, I would argue that her jokes are generally uninteresting, and are at times, extremely wrenching to hear.
I'm sorry to Kelly for making my viewpoint of her casting ability so clear. I wish her success in her endeavours, but I really believe that GOMTV should consider replacing Kelly with a caster more on the level required by such a prestigious tournament.
Perfectly stated on all fronts. It's not just her really poor English, her terrible game knowledge (which was only reasonable when it was obvious she had something scripted or completely planned out to say), or her screeching voice. Her communication in general was just completely awkward and she had very little ability to interact with her co-caster without hanging them out to dry. A lot of that is her lack of vocabulary and understanding of English verbal cues and the subtleties that go into understanding a language, but a huge part of it is just her personality. However, there were some positives. You can tell she really prepared because she had a lot of analysis that you can easily tell was formulated or planned beforehand. She probably got a lot of help with that but I'm sure effort was never an issue. Without that kind of preparation they might have pulled her after a couple of days. And despite how bad she was she looked pretty hot a lot of the time. Over all, it was a pretty easy business decision for GOM to move on because you have to be a crackhead to think there isn't a better option and commentators are there for the fans' sake. The market has spoken.
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I enjoy seeing how people say "Sex" or her "Being female" has nothing to do with how they are stating these things. Check it out bro, ask your girlfriend who was a gamer, ask her how much crap she gets, bet you it's 100x more than you. Play Halo with a chick, she how much shit talk she gets if she even says one word on the live chat.
If you haven't actually dated a female, and don't realize they get 100x more shit, then you need to realize one thing, without you along being the one to give the gal shit, she already gets it 99x more than you already. You don't even need to state your shit. It's already hitting her from the other 99%(Males) people.
Also Kelly watching you on GSL right now, you've improved a great deal. gl hf.
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