Please be aware that we have not made any official announcements regarding Code A casters for GSL March.
We respect the opinions and concerns of the eSports community and when we make an official announcement in the near future (possibly tomorrow) you can be certain that the result has been reached by carefully examining all the pluses and minuses of the options that were available to us at the time.
In the mean time enjoy the map analysis of Terminus RE, a new map that has been used in GSTL and will be used in GSL Mar.
Also check out the interview with LSPrime, the person behind the creation of Terminus RE and other fun maps.
I hope whoever it is that's casting, is that he or she has an American accent. Cause I sometimes have a hard time understand other accents specially non-native ones.
On February 17 2011 19:41 Deyster wrote: I hope whoever it is that's casting, is that he or she has an American accent. Cause I sometimes have a hard time understand other accents specially non-native ones.
I hope not. The American accent grates on my ears.
On February 17 2011 19:41 Deyster wrote: I hope whoever it is that's casting, is that he or she has an American accent. Cause I sometimes have a hard time understand other accents specially non-native ones.
British accents are fine as well imo, it would add even more amazingness to GSL!!
I really hope they don't kick her because of the shitstorm. At least they could let her do one season just to see how it goes. Many people in entertainment improve(d) a lot during their careers, especially in the very early stages. If no one took a risk every once in a while, we'd never see new faces. Also, maybe E-Sports doesn't need to remain a men's club in all eternity.
On February 17 2011 19:51 FrogOfWar wrote: I really hope they don't kick her because of the shitstorm. At least they could let her do one season just to see how it goes. Many people in entertainment improve(d) a lot during their careers, especially in the very early stages. If no one took a risk every once in a while, we'd never see new faces. Also, maybe E-Sports doesn't need to remain a men's club in all eternity.
It has nothing to do with her being a girl. VTPeanut and the girl casting for GLHF #2 are both very good casters. No offence to Kellymilkies but her accent is really not nice to listen to. Being a commentator isn't just about your knowledge, it's about your voice as well and her voice doesn't suit it at all(imo).
Am I the only one who thinks that the post could be about Torch? Because everyone more or less assumes that Torch is going to the second caster, if it's not the case a lot of people would be disapointed imo.
I have only seen her in the two videos that were up on GosuGamers... But yeah, she sounds extremely obnoxious, and it has nothing to do with her accent or gender, it's just a terrible commentary voice.
Perhaps it was nerves or early in her career or something; Definitely willing to give her a chance if Gom thought she was good enough to hire. That said, she better perform better than on those two vids :p
I listened to a few of Kellymilkies casts after her premature announcement and was kind of saddened that she would be replacing Tastosis for Code A.
However, I can't honestly think of any other casters I like as much as the great casting archon.
Whoever is placed will ultimately initially disappoint; however their ability to grow on you and their personality will be the greatest determining factor if the casting duo will be a success or not.
As to the review of the map Terminus RE;
I find it disappointing, yet eye opening, (I'm a zerg player) that the TvP matchup is obviously based on early/late game unit effectiveness of the different races. It seems as maps get bigger this balance will be more heavily skewed towards Protoss in this matchup. Definitely something Blizzard has to consider as the community moves forward in favor of larger macro oriented maps.
Edit: More on topic; I think she deserves a trial season.
If she's not one of the casters anymore, not saying it's all her fault, but she did announce it before GOM could officially make the announcement. If she waited till GOM told everyone, the whole rage storm would have changed nothing. She should have just been more quiet and less straight forward. Torch did hint at him doing it, but she flat out said she was going to be one of the casters.
On February 17 2011 19:41 Deyster wrote: I hope whoever it is that's casting, is that he or she has an American accent. Cause I sometimes have a hard time understand other accents specially non-native ones.
I hope not. The American accent grates on my ears.
Do you not what TV shows or Movies or anything? Bit surprised by that statement lol
On February 17 2011 19:41 Deyster wrote: I hope whoever it is that's casting, is that he or she has an American accent. Cause I sometimes have a hard time understand other accents specially non-native ones.
I hope not. The American accent grates on my ears.
Do you not what TV shows or Movies or anything? Bit surprised by that statement lol
On February 17 2011 19:41 Deyster wrote: I hope whoever it is that's casting, is that he or she has an American accent. Cause I sometimes have a hard time understand other accents specially non-native ones.
I hope not. The American accent grates on my ears.
Do you not what TV shows or Movies or anything? Bit surprised by that statement lol
I hate American accents too just something about it that is extremely irritating, just because like every movie and TV has American actors doesn't mean I have to like it ...
As for the commentators it's not the end of the world if the speculation is correct but it would definitely make code A less enjoyable to watch for me.
On February 17 2011 19:41 Deyster wrote: I hope whoever it is that's casting, is that he or she has an American accent. Cause I sometimes have a hard time understand other accents specially non-native ones.
I hope not. The American accent grates on my ears.
Do you not what TV shows or Movies or anything? Bit surprised by that statement lol
I like watching TV shows, but that doesn't stop the fact that I just plain dislike the accent.
Terminus is so cool. I want to see someone go 15 hatch with their gas from the natural, then go +1 Speedlings. Can't wait for the official Code A Casters announcement!
Oh yeah - I had forgotten that Gom tv said they were hiring new English casters :p.
I gotta say that I'm really gonna miss Tastosis for the Code A casts. Many of the Code A games last season were more entertaining than some of the Code S ones.
Still, I'm curious about who'll be doing the Code A games. I sincerely hope that Jason Lee who guest casted in GSL2 will be returning! I think he's got a good style.
Actually, if Torch can spare the time away from practicing, I would LOVE to see him co-cast with Jason Lee. Torch was a total natural at casting.
The rumored co-caster is definetly a huge blunder in my opinion and would ruin Code-A for me. No offence, but I personally believe they are a very poor grade caster in the limelight only because of their gimmick.
If Gom really wants to floor me with an amazing caster, they need to get a hold of Diggity.
He is in my honest opinion one of the best casters I've ever heard of, and it's because of him I'm this big into Starcraft today.
So is this kellymilkies a huge troll or does she just have zero professionalism in announcing that she would be a Code A caster before it was officially announced?
On February 17 2011 20:32 iko wrote: The rumored co-caster is definetly a huge blunder in my opinion and would ruin Code-A for me. No offence, but I personally believe they are a very poor grade caster in the limelight only because of their gimmick.
If Gom really wants to floor me with an amazing caster, they need to get a hold of Diggity.
Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
On February 17 2011 20:32 iko wrote: The rumored co-caster is definetly a huge blunder in my opinion and would ruin Code-A for me. No offence, but I personally believe they are a very poor grade caster in the limelight only because of their gimmick.
If Gom really wants to floor me with an amazing caster, they need to get a hold of Diggity.
He is in my honest opinion one of the best casters I've ever heard of, and it's because of him I'm this big into Starcraft today.
The problem is that not all of the casters are willing to go all the way to Korea to cast, as it really demands a big change in lifestyle to accommodate it - not to mention the monetary compensation probably isn't that great, either. I highly doubt a family man like Diggity will give it all up just for that, especially considering he sort of retired for a while from SC2 casting altogether.
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
Whilst I agree with your sentiment, I think you may be risking the mods reacting to your post unless you make the language a bit softer.
On February 17 2011 21:12 Dezire wrote: Please, just let tastetosis do everything, they make the games +10000 times more entertaining, they cant be replaced, even if it just code a. PLEASE
But it's not really fair to make them do both A and S, especially since some days games can go for many hours.
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
So because Australia has American casters on tennis, it's a disgrace if they rethink choosing a commentator that basically none but the Australians understand? Remember that the entire western world has this stream, and honestly I can't hear what she says. No offence, I'm sure she's a great caster, but I don't understand it, and her voice isn't smooth enough to listen to if you don't understand it.
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
So because Australia has American casters on tennis, it's a disgrace if they rethink choosing a commentator that basically none but the Australians understand? Remember that the entire western world has this stream, and honestly I can't hear what she says. No offence, I'm sure she's a great caster, but I don't understand it, and her voice isn't smooth enough to listen to if you don't understand it.
I don't understand her either. I'm sure she'll try to work on her weaknesses though, hopefully.
Pretty sure more then just Australians can understand her. Also I was comparing the fact that Americans are commentating everywhere and that we put up with it. One change in that and bam everyone outside of SEA complains.
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
It is not.
Just wait for the official announcement like we said. Everything will be clear then.
We do want you guys to get excited for GSL March but we do not want wrongly built hype (or the opposite) for something we have not even officially announced.
With that being said I am not sure why the thread about Kelly is at the "Community News" section.
LSPrime seems pretty knowledgable, even more interesting that he disagrees with the size of Tal'darim Altar. I assume that's Cross Positions, as Vertical feels pretty solid in terms of time taken.
I guess time will tell, looking forward to see how SC2 moves on.
On February 17 2011 21:21 minimat wrote: Pretty sure more then just Australians can understand her. Also I was comparing the fact that Americans are commentating everywhere and that we put up with it. One change in that and bam everyone outside of SEA complains.
They can. Most people are just overreacting, mate. Asians are integrated into most western cultures in the world, I have trouble believing that people do not deal with so-called 'difficult' accents on a daily basis. I know that I am extremely used to it, and don't think it is bothersome at all. Can't wait for the GOM announcement!
On February 17 2011 21:21 minimat wrote: Pretty sure more then just Australians can understand her. Also I was comparing the fact that Americans are commentating everywhere and that we put up with it. One change in that and bam everyone outside of SEA complains.
Agree 100%, it's this OMG IT NEEDS TO BE AMERICAN attitude that gets you shafted with shit like Skins, Office, Reddwarf and the IT crowd remakes.
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
So because Australia has American casters on tennis, it's a disgrace if they rethink choosing a commentator that basically none but the Australians understand? Remember that the entire western world has this stream, and honestly I can't hear what she says. No offence, I'm sure she's a great caster, but I don't understand it, and her voice isn't smooth enough to listen to if you don't understand it.
I don't understand her either. I'm sure she'll try to work on her weaknesses though, hopefully.
I don't really see how this could work. A lot of people have been saying that she could improve over the course of a gsl season, and it's true that her lack of game knowledge could get better, but I don't think it's reasonable to say her accent will change or that she will somehow gain a smooth and pleasant caster voice during one month. Those are things that take years to change.
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
Do not project your views upon others - I'm another oceanic person and I have trouble understanding her poor casting and I spend all day socializing with Australians.
You also have to consider the fact that straining to understand a caster is one of the biggest drawbacks ever - they are there to supplement the game and if they are detracting from the quality of the experience by hampering a majority's ability to understand what's going on, then they are NOT a good caster.
You are asking a majority audience to make-do with a substandard caster because of your own personal beef with Americans. Are you trying to murder interest in Starcraft as a video game? If the representation of a professional caster for one of the biggest events in the world is someone who infact hampers the experience, then it reflects very poorly upon GSL and Starcraft as a whole.
On February 17 2011 21:27 GOM.Sam wrote: We do want you guys to get excited for GSL March but we do not want wrongly built hype (or the opposite) for something we have not even officially announced.
With that being said I am not sure why the thread about Kelly is at the "Community News" section.
Seems like Hot_Bid is not online right now.
Try Chill, he just made a new thread there.
O: On a side note, new GOM guy needs an icon! Seems to be a lot more of you guys that can speak English than I originally thought. Hope you all continue posting around here and dont get turned away from the overreactions to some things. It really is refreshing to have you guys around taking part of the community.
Edit: Thanks for translating an interview for us and hopefully your announcement soon cools some heads.
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
So because Australia has American casters on tennis, it's a disgrace if they rethink choosing a commentator that basically none but the Australians understand? Remember that the entire western world has this stream, and honestly I can't hear what she says. No offence, I'm sure she's a great caster, but I don't understand it, and her voice isn't smooth enough to listen to if you don't understand it.
I don't understand her either. I'm sure she'll try to work on her weaknesses though, hopefully.
I don't really see how this could work. A lot of people have been saying that she could improve over the course of a gsl season, and it's true that her lack of game knowledge could get better, but I don't think it's reasonable to say her accent will change or that she will somehow gain a smooth and pleasant caster voice during one month. Those are things that take years to change.
You misunderstand me. What I mean by 'work on her weaknesses' does mean her knowledge, co-operation with her casting partner and controlling her speech during intense times in the game. I'm not saying for her to work on things like her accent, because that's stupid to suggest, as you said, it takes way longer than one GSL season to work on an accent.
On February 17 2011 21:29 Niick wrote: Agree 100%, it's this OMG IT NEEDS TO BE AMERICAN attitude that gets you shafted with shit like Skins, Office, Reddwarf and the IT crowd remakes.
there's American versions of Red Dwarf and the IT Crowd?
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
Do not project your views upon others - I'm another oceanic person and I have trouble understanding her poor casting and I spend all day socializing with Australians.
You also have to consider the fact that straining to understand a caster is one of the biggest drawbacks ever - they are there to supplement the game and if they are detracting from the quality of the experience by hampering a majority's ability to understand what's going on, then they are NOT a good caster.
You are asking a majority audience to make-do with a substandard caster because of your own personal beef with Americans. Are you trying to murder interest in Starcraft as a video game? If the representation of a professional caster for one of the biggest events in the world is someone who infact hampers the experience, then it reflects very poorly upon GSL and Starcraft as a whole.
Ok first off socialising with Australians isn't going to help you understand someone from Singapoore.
Secondly, I'm not pushing and view on any one I'm simply saying that she is a great caster and that an ASIAN tournament has picked an ASIAN caster and people should not be so narrow minded as to say THIS IS RIGHT AND NOTHING ELSE IS.
Thirdly I love Tasteless and to all the people saying Kellys game knowledge is lacking... You obviously mute the stream every second time Tasteless talks because its usually something wrong, however entertaining it is.
Lastly... You are from NZL.. Do you views even count?
On February 17 2011 21:27 GOM.Sam wrote: We do want you guys to get excited for GSL March but we do not want wrongly built hype (or the opposite) for something we have not even officially announced.
With that being said I am not sure why the thread about Kelly is at the "Community News" section.
Seems like Hot_Bid is not online right now.
Try Chill, he just made a new thread there.
O: On a side note, new GOM guy needs an icon! Seems to be a lot more of you guys that can speak English than I originally thought. Hope you all continue posting around here and dont get turned away from the overreactions to some things. It really is refreshing to have you guys around taking part of the community.
I did request for an icon but didn't receive one yet. I usually hang around on gomtv.net but I will try to visit as much as I can.
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
You seem angry. Just because you're a fan of someone doesn't mean you should blindly defend them, there are good points made in this thread.
GSL is the biggest sc2 tournament for now, it's important for them not to settle with subpar casters. Quite frankly there are a lot of casters and there are many that are more qualified than Kellymilkies. AskJoshy comes to mind.
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
Do not project your views upon others - I'm another oceanic person and I have trouble understanding her poor casting and I spend all day socializing with Australians.
You also have to consider the fact that straining to understand a caster is one of the biggest drawbacks ever - they are there to supplement the game and if they are detracting from the quality of the experience by hampering a majority's ability to understand what's going on, then they are NOT a good caster.
You are asking a majority audience to make-do with a substandard caster because of your own personal beef with Americans. Are you trying to murder interest in Starcraft as a video game? If the representation of a professional caster for one of the biggest events in the world is someone who infact hampers the experience, then it reflects very poorly upon GSL and Starcraft as a whole.
Ok first off socialising with Australians isn't going to help you understand someone from Singapoore.
Secondly, I'm not pushing and view on any one I'm simply saying that she is a great caster and that an ASIAN tournament has picked an ASIAN caster and people should not be so narrow minded as to say THIS IS RIGHT AND NOTHING ELSE IS.
Thirdly I love Tasteless and to all the people saying Kellys game knowledge is lacking... You obviously mute the stream every second time Tasteless talks because its usually something wrong, however entertaining it is.
Lastly... You are from NZL.. Do you views even count?
I would tone down your belligerent attitude. You're not going to last too long in the Team Liquid community with this type of language.
Come to think of it, that Kelly might be trolling all of us!! sif GomTV gonna sign up someone like her lol. i think she along with TB and everyone could be larfing at this two threads atm..
or GomTV did really employed Kelly, but she stuffed it up with twitter which backfired big time and GomTV has excuse to terminate her contract.
Anyways, GSL is next week peeps! anything can happen, i already got my premium pass! :D can't wait for some Singlish PWNAGE!!!! lol
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
Do not project your views upon others - I'm another oceanic person and I have trouble understanding her poor casting and I spend all day socializing with Australians.
You also have to consider the fact that straining to understand a caster is one of the biggest drawbacks ever - they are there to supplement the game and if they are detracting from the quality of the experience by hampering a majority's ability to understand what's going on, then they are NOT a good caster.
You are asking a majority audience to make-do with a substandard caster because of your own personal beef with Americans. Are you trying to murder interest in Starcraft as a video game? If the representation of a professional caster for one of the biggest events in the world is someone who infact hampers the experience, then it reflects very poorly upon GSL and Starcraft as a whole.
Ok first off socialising with Australians isn't going to help you understand someone from Singapoore.
Secondly, I'm not pushing and view on any one I'm simply saying that she is a great caster and that an ASIAN tournament has picked an ASIAN caster and people should not be so narrow minded as to say THIS IS RIGHT AND NOTHING ELSE IS.
Thirdly I love Tasteless and to all the people saying Kellys game knowledge is lacking... You obviously mute the stream every second time Tasteless talks because its usually something wrong, however entertaining it is.
Lastly... You are from NZL.. Do you views even count?
This has nothing to do with right and wrong. The most important issue people are complaining about is that they don't understand what she's saying. I've caught up a little and listened to her dota casts, as well as some SC2, and honestly I don't understand what she's saying part of the time.
On February 17 2011 21:49 Hunterai wrote: WTF... If GOM ditches her without even giving her a chance after promising her the job, I will be really really disappointed.
After the censor of Jinro interview about the soundproof-ability (is that a word?) then this?
Makes you wonder how trust-worthy is GOM T_T
Technically, GOM could terminate Kelly's offer due to a breach of contract. Kelly made the announcement on her twitter without an official word from GOMTV.
On February 17 2011 21:49 Hunterai wrote: WTF... If GOM ditches her without even giving her a chance after promising her the job, I will be really really disappointed.
After the censor of Jinro interview about the soundproof-ability (is that a word?) then this?
Makes you wonder how trust-worthy is GOM T_T
Technically, GOM could terminate Kelly's offer due to a breach of contract. Kelly made the announcement on her twitter without an official word from GOMTV.
You don't know the terms of the contract and if there was a breach
The statement is just saying that we will going to make an official announcement about casters and at that time information will be available. It's as simple as that.
On February 17 2011 22:04 GOM.Sam wrote: The statement is just saying that we will going to make an official announcement about casters and at that time information will be available. It's as simple as that.
The thing is that Kellymilkies has already announced that she will be commentating for code A, which is what the uproar is about.
On February 17 2011 22:04 GOM.Sam wrote: The statement is just saying that we will going to make an official announcement about casters and at that time information will be available. It's as simple as that.
The thing is that Kellymilkies has already announced that she will be commentating for code A, which is what the uproar is about.
I am quite well aware what the uproar is about.
What I am saying is you can keep talking about this until 2012 (should be the end of the world) or wait till we make an official announcement and have everything served on a silver platter for you.
I was quite suprised when I saw the thread end up in the Community news section as well. I mean, basing news around a twitter announcement instead around something official is rather...well, discreditable.
Come to think of it, that Kelly might be trolling all of us!! sif GomTV gonna sign up someone like her lol. i think she along with TB and everyone could be larfing at this two threads atm..
or GomTV did really employed Kelly, but she stuffed it up with twitter which backfired big time and GomTV has excuse to terminate her contract.
Anyways, GSL is next week peeps! anything can happen, i already got my premium pass! :D can't wait for some Singlish PWNAGE!!!! lol
She and incontrol have been getting along pretty well, according to twitter... He's behind this somehow!!
No but actually, I bet that the secret information we should wait until Gom's announcement for is that they're going to have a set of three to five casters rotating around for the first season or two of code A.
On February 17 2011 22:04 GOM.Sam wrote: The statement is just saying that we will going to make an official announcement about casters and at that time information will be available. It's as simple as that.
The thing is that Kellymilkies has already announced that she will be commentating for code A, which is what the uproar is about.
I am quite well aware what the uproar is about.
What I am saying is you can keep talking about this until 2012 (should be the end of the world) or wait till we make an official announcement and have everything served on a silver platter for you.
If there are incredible co-casters then that's obviously going to be a good thing.
But kelly casting at all is what everyone's worried about. =/
On February 17 2011 22:24 mytent wrote: But kelly casting at all is what everyone's worried about. =/
Don't exaggerate. The term "everyone" includes me, and I can tell you that I am not worried about Kelly casting.
I have to agree. Exaggeration doesn't help to make your opinion any stronger. I am fully aware that many people think her commentating needs work, which I too,agree.
Regardless of me being a Singaporean, the fact i can understand her fully, but it is true she has quite a accent to her English compared to most of us. I am awaiting with abated breath on the news for the GSL Code A Casters. tomorrow seems like it would never come right now.
The kelly bashing is so disgusting. You only know about a couple of her casts. If she really goes to cast Code A games then GomTV has alot more information about her. Maybe she has a really impressive background. Maybe she has the will to learn and adapt. If someone starts casting for a living then he/she will improve much faster.
Or maybe not. But either way, I find it pretty tasteless and even stupid if you trashtalk and deny her before you know how the result is.
My prediction is: If she goes to Korea and is surrounded by the pro-scene and two of the very best casters all the time, then she will be a good caster in no time.
I trust in gomtv to find suitable casters and whoever they are we'll just have to see how they develop and what they make of it.
About the analysis of terminus re......LASER TOSS!! :D
man that is such a crazy name for a build, I immediately get a mental picture of a zealot with lasers coming out of it's eyes doing disco moves under a disco ball :D
On February 17 2011 22:24 mytent wrote: But kelly casting at all is what everyone's worried about. =/
Don't exaggerate. The term "everyone" includes me, and I can tell you that I am not worried about Kelly casting.
I have to agree. Exaggeration doesn't help to make your opinion any stronger. I am fully aware that many people think her commentating needs work, which I too,agree.
Regardless of me being a Singaporean, the fact i can understand her fully, but it is true she has quite a accent to her English compared to most of us. I am awaiting with abated breath on the news for the GSL Code A Casters. tomorrow seems like it would never come right now.
On February 17 2011 22:36 clickrush wrote: The kelly bashing is so disgusting. You only know about a couple of her casts. If she really goes to cast Code A games then GomTV has alot more information about her. Maybe she has a really impressive background. Maybe she has the will to learn and adapt. If someone starts casting for a living then he/she will improve much faster.
Or maybe not. But either way, I find it pretty tasteless and even stupid if you trashtalk and deny her before you know how the result is.
My prediction is: If she goes to Korea and is surrounded by the pro-scene and two of the very best casters all the time, then she will be a good caster in no time.
Oh reerri? Well...
My prediction is: she goes to Korea, and SURPRISE - she's exactly the same caster she was when she left Singapore.
A really really difficult to enjoy one.
See, that's how people judge other people. Based on what they've done before. Isn't it? Or am I missing something there?
On February 17 2011 22:24 mytent wrote: But kelly casting at all is what everyone's worried about. =/
Don't exaggerate. The term "everyone" includes me, and I can tell you that I am not worried about Kelly casting.
I have to agree. Exaggeration doesn't help to make your opinion any stronger. I am fully aware that many people think her commentating needs work, which I too,agree.
Regardless of me being a Singaporean, the fact i can understand her fully, but it is true she has quite a accent to her English compared to most of us. I am awaiting with abated breath on the news for the GSL Code A Casters. tomorrow seems like it would never come right now.
... it's called a generalisation, man.
When did TL-ers become so serious...
You do not have the right to generalise other people into your opinions.
I am serious because your using your generalisation as a means to bash someone who's putting effort into the SC2 scene(stream,casting,commentating) when you,yourself arent doing anything to help besides hanging out in a forum throwing YOUR opinions out(in bold) as the gospel truth by generalising others into your view.
So thats why i felt the need to correct you and your "generalisation". back on topic:- My personal opinion of Terminus is this. Terminus's 16expansions i feel is too much for the current game state. It practically states its going to be a endgame fight where both Zerg(strong endgame macro) and Protoss(incredibly strong unit composition with huge AOE damage) Even the review was basically comparing to what the terrans would face now(weaker in all matchups) haha.
Fanboys need to stop being ignorant about Kelly. It's clear that (like any male caster) she is being judged on her merits not her gender. Having watched/listen to her cast numerous times for events on the SEA server, its safe to say that her analytical skills are completely sub-par, this is mostly what aggrieves the majority of people with her being selected as Code A commentator. In addition her English is not fluent either (a skill of which is absolutely necessary especially when you're playing the non-analytical role). This might seem like a huge bash, but this is my honest opinion like it would for any other caster out there.
There are plenty of other good alternatives whom I believe would've been better suited to this gig, namely the likes of Raelcun or RotterdaM if it were possible.. but it seems this was the most attractive option for GOM.
Kelly <3 And here I'm just glad to have an English commentator at a Korean Progaming event... Anyone who follows BW can appreciate that sentiment. All just calm down and watch the games. Kellys analysis is A-grade and with TorcH it'll be good having 2 analytical commentators; If she just brushes up on her diction a bit, everything will be A-ok!
hope it's not Kelly, who call 15hatch, 15pool "looks like a zergling allin" or any other commentators like this :/ Guys, if u givin' a break to Tastosis, then please, send everyone, who KNOWS HOW TO PLAY with this guys in code a, knows gameflow, expand timings etc etc. It's NOT INTERESTING to listen a commentator, who phisycally CAN NOT give u any advice or doing some insights about game strategies
It really depends if she's going to be the content or the colour.
If she's going to be the analytical commentator her accent isn't that much of an issue, since it's about the same level of difficulty as SuperDanielMan's back in the day. But if she's going to be the colour commentator, she needs very good English.
I'm not going to comment on whether she's got the knowledge to be the analytical commentator because I don't know. But that's the only role she's suited for.
On February 17 2011 21:22 GOM.Sam wrote: It is not.
Just wait for the official announcement like we said. Everything will be clear then.
Could everyone be overreacting over nothing? Does she speak another language besides english? Maybe GOMTV is expanding to a third language cast and she has nothing to do with the english code a casting team?
On February 17 2011 21:22 GOM.Sam wrote: It is not.
Just wait for the official announcement like we said. Everything will be clear then.
Could everyone be overreacting over nothing? Does she speak another language besides english? Maybe GOMTV is expanding to a third language cast and she has nothing to do with the english code a casting team?
Indeed! That would fall in line with China now accepting SC2. She might be the Chinese caster.
On February 17 2011 19:29 GOMTV wrote: Dear TL users and eSports fans:
Please be aware that we have not made any official announcements regarding Code A casters for GSL March.
We respect the opinions and concerns of the eSports community and when we make an official announcement in the near future (possibly tomorrow) you can be certain that the result has been reached by carefully examining all the pluses and minuses of the options that were available to us at the time.
In the mean time enjoy the map analysis of Terminus RE, a new map that has been used in GSTL and will be used in GSL Mar.
Also check out the interview with LSPrime, the person behind the creation of Terminus RE and other fun maps.
Thank you.
keep up the good work. There are a lot of teenage boys or 25 year old kids here who may go berserk if they don't really like something,
I'm not a fan of this girl either, I think her pace is too fast and has a habit of eating words, but I'm willing to give her a chance and I think she will improve.
As for the other caster I have no idea who that guy is and can only hope he is good and doesn't have one of those voices that piss me off.
On February 17 2011 19:29 GOMTV wrote: Dear TL users and eSports fans:
Please be aware that we have not made any official announcements regarding Code A casters for GSL March.
We respect the opinions and concerns of the eSports community and when we make an official announcement in the near future (possibly tomorrow) you can be certain that the result has been reached by carefully examining all the pluses and minuses of the options that were available to us at the time.
In the mean time enjoy the map analysis of Terminus RE, a new map that has been used in GSTL and will be used in GSL Mar.
Also check out the interview with LSPrime, the person behind the creation of Terminus RE and other fun maps.
Thank you.
keep up the good work. There are a lot of teenage boys or 25 year old kids here who may go berserk if they don't really like something,
I'm not a fan of this girl either, I think her pace is too fast and has a habit of eating words, but I'm willing to give her a chance and I think she will improve.
As for the other caster I have no idea who that guy is and can only hope he is good and doesn't have one of those voices that piss me off.
Please GOM, no Kelly. We love Tastosis and frankly I don't think as many people would watch without them.
Then again I could just be blowing steam out of my ass, but I personally don't really like Kelly's casting style, and I don't think she is a good choice over some of the clearly more talented casters in the world. If you want to incorporate another caster, do a 3person team like the Korean stream has. If it was Tastosis and Kelly (or anyone else for that reason), then I would be more okay with the situation.
I think that if you want another talented analysis commentator get TorcH to do it. Not only is he a pro-gamer on ST, but his casting of Artosis's game in season 1 was pretty good. The real benefit to having TorcH cast is that he is in close contact with many of the players, like Dan and Nick are. This gives him better insight into how these players are playing currently, and the new ideas bouncing around the pro-gamer houses.
All in all, I wouldn't mind some new blood, but don't cut Tastosis out of my life. Please.
On February 17 2011 19:29 GOMTV wrote: Dear TL users and eSports fans:
Please be aware that we have not made any official announcements regarding Code A casters for GSL March.
We respect the opinions and concerns of the eSports community and when we make an official announcement in the near future (possibly tomorrow) you can be certain that the result has been reached by carefully examining all the pluses and minuses of the options that were available to us at the time.
In the mean time enjoy the map analysis of Terminus RE, a new map that has been used in GSTL and will be used in GSL Mar.
Also check out the interview with LSPrime, the person behind the creation of Terminus RE and other fun maps.
Thank you.
keep up the good work. There are a lot of teenage boys or 25 year old kids here who may go berserk if they don't really like something,
I'm not a fan of this girl either, I think her pace is too fast and has a habit of eating words, but I'm willing to give her a chance and I think she will improve.
As for the other caster I have no idea who that guy is and can only hope he is good and doesn't have one of those voices that piss me off.
Lol what a hypocrite.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice this. Amazing.
I really like the new map - and I think you have coined a new term.... in laser toss I personally havent seen it before and think it describes the build very well.
Is it true that Kelly has received actual death threats over this? Over a SC2 casting job?
That is completely shameful and unacceptable behaviour. Stuff like that wants to make me quit the SC2 community, and simultaneously root for her just to piss that one goddamn maniac off.
On February 17 2011 22:53 bonifaceviii wrote: It really depends if she's going to be the content or the colour.
If she's going to be the analytical commentator her accent isn't that much of an issue, since it's about the same level of difficulty as SuperDanielMan's back in the day. But if she's going to be the colour commentator, she needs very good English.
I'm not going to comment on whether she's got the knowledge to be the analytical commentator because I don't know. But that's the only role she's suited for.
SuperDanielMan's commentating was clearer than hers and more enjoyable.
The most surprising part to me is the number of people who seem blindsided by no Tasteosis for Code A. This was front page news people, it's been known since mid January. I know I'm going to sound like a fanboy for saying this, but I don't think it could be put any better than Incontrol put it on his stream last night, Don't hate Kelly for doing what we all would have done by taking the job when offered it. Instead direct your anger towards gom for making a poor choice, and hope that the practice of casting so many matches a day for weeks at a time makes Kelly a better caster.
Look, they seem to have chosen her as a caster. They're not going to fire her the second her plane lands, so maybe everyone should hold off a bit and give it a chance. GOM has hinted that there's more to this than what we know now. Maybe she's one of three. Maybe she's doing interviews. Maybe she's rotating and will only be there some days. Maybe with the right co-casters she's actually does a good job. Regardless, the earliest they'll change their mind is for the next season, so it's really not so bad to wait a whole day until GOM announces more details and give your opinion. (Honestly, I think you should wait longer, until she actually casts, but I'll settle for a day.)
On February 17 2011 23:30 aristarchus wrote: Look, they seem to have chosen her as a caster. They're not going to fire her the second her plane lands, so maybe everyone should hold off a bit and give it a chance. GOM has hinted that there's more to this than what we know now. Maybe she's one of three. Maybe she's doing interviews. Maybe she's rotating and will only be there some days. Maybe with the right co-casters she's actually does a good job. Regardless, the earliest they'll change their mind is for the next season, so it's really not so bad to wait a whole day until GOM announces more details and give your opinion. (Honestly, I think you should wait longer, until she actually casts, but I'll settle for a day.)
a whole day, that's 24hrs! Alot of people in this community dont have that kind of patience. The kind of patience that would actually indicate maturity. Come on you gotta be realistic! ;D
Guys, let's wait for the official announcement. Like some people have said, maybe Kelly is casting the Mandarin/Cantonese/Taiwanese stream. If GOM announces Kelly is casting the english stream, then you guys can start criticizing GOM's decision
On February 17 2011 22:17 LittLeD wrote: I was quite suprised when I saw the thread end up in the Community news section as well. I mean, basing news around a twitter announcement instead around something official is rather...well, discreditable.
If Kelly is going to be casting for Code A as her Twitter claims then that is a first hand source, official or not does not make a difference with that. Suggesting that a (her) Tweet is not credible is equal to calling her a potential liar, and I'm not sure that would be any better for her than the current expression of dissatisfaction over her proficiency as a caster.
On February 17 2011 21:27 GOM.Sam wrote: We do want you guys to get excited for GSL March but we do not want wrongly built hype (or the opposite) for something we have not even officially announced.
With that being said I am not sure why the thread about Kelly is at the "Community News" section.
Seems like Hot_Bid is not online right now.
Why would it not be a community headline? As I just said, you can either accept that she is a first hand source, making this information just as legitimate as an official announcement from you, or call her a liar and blaming that thread for conveying false information, which it hardly actively does, since it lists its source and included a question mark for most of its time of having been opened.
While I appreciate your effort and your coming here - I really do; it is not something to be taken for granted and it shows that you really care about your audience - I must question that same sentiment immediately because of statements like this one, implying that only information approved by you can have any merit and attempt at truth.
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
On February 18 2011 00:25 PukinDog wrote: Okay kids, look:
Whether you like this girl or not, a few facts:
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
She constantly calls units by their SC1 names and misses battles completely too?
Give her a chance, everyone on here bitches. It's what this forum does.
On February 17 2011 22:17 LittLeD wrote: I was quite suprised when I saw the thread end up in the Community news section as well. I mean, basing news around a twitter announcement instead around something official is rather...well, discreditable.
If Kelly is going to be casting for Code A as her Twitter claims then that is a first hand source, official or not does not make a difference with that. Suggesting that a (her) Tweet is not credible is equal to calling her a potential liar, and I'm not sure that would be any better for her than the current expression of dissatisfaction over her proficiency as a caster.
On February 17 2011 21:27 GOM.Sam wrote: We do want you guys to get excited for GSL March but we do not want wrongly built hype (or the opposite) for something we have not even officially announced.
With that being said I am not sure why the thread about Kelly is at the "Community News" section.
Seems like Hot_Bid is not online right now.
Why would it not be a community headline? As I just said, you can either accept that she is a first hand source, making this information just as legitimate as an official announcement from you, or call her a liar and blaming that thread for conveying false information, which it hardly actively does, since it lists its source and included a question mark for most of its time of having been opened.
While I appreciate your effort and your coming here - I really do; it is not something to be taken for granted and it shows that you really care about your audience - I must question that same sentiment immediately because of statements like this one, implying that only information approved by you can have any merit and attempt at truth.
I can go post on my twitter right now that I'm casting next season's Code S GSL. Does that make it true?
On February 18 2011 00:25 PukinDog wrote: Okay kids, look:
Whether you like this girl or not, a few facts:
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
So are you in favour of GOMtv purposefully delaying informing their customers in an effort to withhold potentially detrimental facts to and about the quality of their service, in practice deceiving people into paying for something they will not get? If GOM is so concernced with how their new casters are impacting sales then maybe they should have announced them earlier. Also, it's not like the season ticket will suddenly stop being available when the season starts. People will remain to be able to purchase it at any time they want. Having that information come out now rather than during the first matches shouldn't have any effect on the amount of people buying a ticket at all.
On February 18 2011 00:25 PukinDog wrote: Okay kids, look:
Whether you like this girl or not, a few facts:
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
She constantly calls units by their SC1 names and misses battles completely too?
Give her a chance, everyone on here bitches. It's what this forum does.
Give her a chance? Dude, this is business! You don't employ people who can negatively impact your business, whether you like that person or not. If she causes people to not want to buy the subscription, then she's got to go. That is not punitive, mean or anything else, just BUSINESS.
On February 18 2011 00:25 PukinDog wrote: Okay kids, look:
Whether you like this girl or not, a few facts:
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
She constantly calls units by their SC1 names and misses battles completely too?
Give her a chance, everyone on here bitches. It's what this forum does.
Give her a chance? Dude, this is business! You don't employ people who can negatively impact your business, whether you like that person or not. If she causes people to not want to buy the subscription, then she's got to go. That is not punitive, mean or anything else, just BUSINESS.
Like the new observer? Like the new GSL format? Like several other things GOM has done against the best wishes of the whingers on here, and have been kick arse.
They have a good track record, I'm just saying lets all give it a season.
On February 18 2011 00:25 PukinDog wrote: Okay kids, look:
Whether you like this girl or not, a few facts:
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
So are you in favour of GOMtv purposefully delaying informing their customers in an effort to withhold potentially detrimental facts to and about the quality of their service, in practice deceiving people into paying for something they will not get? If GOM is so concernced with how their new casters are impacting sales then maybe they should have announced them earlier. Also, it's not like the season ticket will suddenly stop being available when the season starts. People will remain to be able to purchase it at any time they want. Having that information come out now rather than during the first matches shouldn't have any effect on the amount of people buying a ticket at all.
No dude, not at all. It was a poor decision to hire this girl, if they actually did. No, I dont think they should purposely withhold information either. All I am saying, is that if you DO get hired by an organization, you keep your trap shut until the official announcement, or risk losing your job before you get to ever do it. That is all I was saying.
On February 18 2011 00:25 PukinDog wrote: Okay kids, look:
Whether you like this girl or not, a few facts:
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
She constantly calls units by their SC1 names and misses battles completely too?
Give her a chance, everyone on here bitches. It's what this forum does.
Give her a chance? Dude, this is business! You don't employ people who can negatively impact your business, whether you like that person or not. If she causes people to not want to buy the subscription, then she's got to go. That is not punitive, mean or anything else, just BUSINESS.
Like the new observer? Like the new GSL format? Like several other things GOM has done against the best wishes of the whingers on here, and have been kick arse.
They have a good track record, I'm just saying lets all give it a season.
I disagree with your premise. GOMtv has shown that they listen to their audience, big time. When we said the new observer sucked, they apologized, acknowledged it, and that dude improved almost overnight.
The new format was confusing, but it worked. And look, we now have the new maps, which is something we ALL wanted. I think GOMtv is doing an amazing job, we frankly we do a lot of premature bitching on this forum.
On February 18 2011 00:25 PukinDog wrote: Okay kids, look:
Whether you like this girl or not, a few facts:
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
So are you in favour of GOMtv purposefully delaying informing their customers in an effort to withhold potentially detrimental facts to and about the quality of their service, in practice deceiving people into paying for something they will not get? If GOM is so concernced with how their new casters are impacting sales then maybe they should have announced them earlier. Also, it's not like the season ticket will suddenly stop being available when the season starts. People will remain to be able to purchase it at any time they want. Having that information come out now rather than during the first matches shouldn't have any effect on the amount of people buying a ticket at all.
We haven't made any official announcement yet because we do not have all the details. It's as simple as that.
On February 18 2011 00:25 PukinDog wrote: Okay kids, look:
Whether you like this girl or not, a few facts:
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
She constantly calls units by their SC1 names and misses battles completely too?
Give her a chance, everyone on here bitches. It's what this forum does.
Give her a chance? Dude, this is business! You don't employ people who can negatively impact your business, whether you like that person or not. If she causes people to not want to buy the subscription, then she's got to go. That is not punitive, mean or anything else, just BUSINESS.
Like the new observer? Like the new GSL format? Like several other things GOM has done against the best wishes of the whingers on here, and have been kick arse.
They have a good track record, I'm just saying lets all give it a season.
I disagree with your premise. GOMtv has shown that they listen to their audience, big time. When we said the new observer sucked, they apologized, acknowledged it, and that dude improved almost overnight.
The new format was confusing, but it worked. And look, we now have the new maps, which is something we ALL wanted. I think GOMtv is doing an amazing job, we frankly we do a lot of premature bitching on this forum.
That said, she is a poor hiring decision.
You disagree with my premise then use my own example.. and point out that GOM didn't do anything, other than acknowledge the whinging?
and yes the maps were not complained about on the same level (there were no 1000x threads a night on the GOM forums) there were legitimate discussions, and I'm glad GOM listened.
I do realize I have GOM in my ID. And yes I do work for GOM. But I am posting this out of my own will. Because I thought from the community's POV, if I were an eSports fan waiting to watch GSL Mar., I would want to know when GOM will make an announcement about Code A casters.
And that will be sometime tomorrow. Not implying anything seriously. This is just a piece of information. Nothing more nothing less.
With that being said I will stop posting as it seems like it's creating more negativity than good.
On February 18 2011 00:51 GOM.Sam wrote: I do realize I have GOM in my ID. And yes I do work for GOM. But I am posting this out of my own will. Because I thought from the community's POV, if I were an eSports fan waiting to watch GSL Mar., I would want to know when GOM will make an announcement about Code A casters.
And that will be sometime tomorrow. Not implying anything seriously. This is just a piece of information. Nothing more nothing less.
With that being said I will stop posting as it seems like it's creating more negativity than good.
I hope you keep posting, because light on any subject is better than being kept in the dark. The fact that you provide information is very much appreciated, even if it doesn't always appear that way.
On February 17 2011 23:15 Bobster wrote: Is it true that Kelly has received actual death threats over this? Over a SC2 casting job?
That is completely shameful and unacceptable behaviour. Stuff like that wants to make me quit the SC2 community, and simultaneously root for her just to piss that one goddamn maniac off.
That is some shameful shit.
I'm pretty sure this never happened and if it did, it was some troll.
On February 18 2011 00:51 GOM.Sam wrote: I do realize I have GOM in my ID. And yes I do work for GOM. But I am posting this out of my own will. Because I thought from the community's POV, if I were an eSports fan waiting to watch GSL Mar., I would want to know when GOM will make an announcement about Code A casters.
And that will be sometime tomorrow. Not implying anything seriously. This is just a piece of information. Nothing more nothing less.
With that being said I will stop posting as it seems like it's creating more negativity than good.
People are just over reacting and hearing what they want to hear, most of us are aware you simply mean GOM will be making an official announcement tomorrow, and we look forward to it.
I don't hate on accent, but the point is as a commentator Kelly's voice just isn't there...nor is her game knowledge. A combination of both really is a blow to the quality of commentary.
That said, I'm willing to give it time. First off, the announcement isn't even out yet. Second, everybody have room to improve, even Mr. Sean Plott can probably cut his excessive drooling on air.
On February 18 2011 00:25 PukinDog wrote: Okay kids, look:
Whether you like this girl or not, a few facts:
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
So are you in favour of GOMtv purposefully delaying informing their customers in an effort to withhold potentially detrimental facts to and about the quality of their service, in practice deceiving people into paying for something they will not get? If GOM is so concernced with how their new casters are impacting sales then maybe they should have announced them earlier. Also, it's not like the season ticket will suddenly stop being available when the season starts. People will remain to be able to purchase it at any time they want. Having that information come out now rather than during the first matches shouldn't have any effect on the amount of people buying a ticket at all.
No dude, not at all. It was a poor decision to hire this girl, if they actually did. No, I dont think they should purposely withhold information either. All I am saying, is that if you DO get hired by an organization, you keep your trap shut until the official announcement, or risk losing your job before you get to ever do it. That is all I was saying.
On February 18 2011 00:25 PukinDog wrote: Okay kids, look:
Whether you like this girl or not, a few facts:
Whenever you work for a professional organization, where there would be an official announcement, YOU DO NOT jump the gun with your own announcement. It is considered bad form, and a sign of poor discipline. Right now, when many people are deciding whether or not to purchase the premium package, is NOT THE TIME to make an announcement that could be considered controversial, or impact someone's purchase decision. It is likely, that GOM is now forced to make an announcement before they had hoped; AFTER more signups had been banked.
Another fact, whether you like the voice of the girl in question or not, her streams do not display the kind of game-knowledge and insight that we are used to from Tastosis. That is a fact. There are aspects to the game that I learned ONLY from listening to those casters. She adds nothing to a viewer's understanding of the game overall, or the strategies employed during a particular match.
I feel for the girl, because it appears the whole situation is turning out to be a huge cluster fuck, but GOM is a business, and Starcraft 2 deserves the opportunity to grow worldwide. Poor decision making in business, is just as bad as getting supply blocked in the game.
Good luck to her, but were I her at this point, I would gracefully exit from the controversy before being asked to leave the position. It would serve her well in the future to resign now, rather than risk an embarrassing firing over this.
So are you in favour of GOMtv purposefully delaying informing their customers in an effort to withhold potentially detrimental facts to and about the quality of their service, in practice deceiving people into paying for something they will not get? If GOM is so concernced with how their new casters are impacting sales then maybe they should have announced them earlier. Also, it's not like the season ticket will suddenly stop being available when the season starts. People will remain to be able to purchase it at any time they want. Having that information come out now rather than during the first matches shouldn't have any effect on the amount of people buying a ticket at all.
We haven't made any official announcement yet because we do not have all the details. It's as simple as that.
I was about to include that in my previous post, but didn't want to complicate the sentence even more. In that case you could still have announced potential candidates. In any case it's too late now. The start of the new season is imminent and the information, accurate or not, has been spread.
Just to be clear. I was not implying that you have done any of those things (like withholding information with intent to deceive). It was just a reply to a potential interpretation of PukingDog's post. Of course I don't expect you to do something like this at all - all records suggest quite the opposite. But for the sake of discussion and for the sake of scepticism I posted what I did.
On February 18 2011 00:51 GOM.Sam wrote: I do realize I have GOM in my ID. And yes I do work for GOM. But I am posting this out of my own will. Because I thought from the community's POV, if I were an eSports fan waiting to watch GSL Mar., I would want to know when GOM will make an announcement about Code A casters.
And that will be sometime tomorrow. Not implying anything seriously. This is just a piece of information. Nothing more nothing less.
With that being said I will stop posting as it seems like it's creating more negativity than good.
I am not sure that this is the right conclusion to draw and a lot of people, myself included, are very relieved and glad that you are willing to show some presence here. The most outspoken few are not representing all of us. But by all means, if you are still unhappy with the results then it indeed does not make much sense for you to continue posting. It's sad, but not much can be done about it. Thank you for your effort and time anyways.
On February 17 2011 19:41 Deyster wrote: I hope whoever it is that's casting, is that he or she has an American accent. Cause I sometimes have a hard time understand other accents specially non-native ones.
I hope not. The American accent grates on my ears.
Do you not what TV shows or Movies or anything? Bit surprised by that statement lol
I hate American accents too just something about it that is extremely irritating, just because like every movie and TV has American actors doesn't mean I have to like it ...
That's surprising. American English sounds very neutral to me, and my first language was Spanish. I find it to be a very simple version of English to understand. Australian English on the other hand sounds a bit British.
Hey guys. I think accents from countries I am not from sound very unnatural but accents from my country sound very natural. It's easy for me to understand accents from my country while accents from other countries can be difficult to understand. /s
Hating an american accent isn't really a valid point, since an american or british english accent is generally universally understood the best by english-speakers.
On February 18 2011 01:19 Wolf wrote: Just wait, guys. Just wait.
GL in Korea!
This (seemingly)
On February 17 2011 20:32 iko wrote: The rumored co-caster is definetly a huge blunder in my opinion and would ruin Code-A for me. No offence, but I personally believe they are a very poor grade caster in the limelight only because of their gimmick.
If Gom really wants to floor me with an amazing caster, they need to get a hold of Diggity.
He is in my honest opinion one of the best casters I've ever heard of, and it's because of him I'm this big into Starcraft today.
He's got a wife and a job. What need does he have to go to Korea to cast there. I think people need to stop suggesting casters that are already set in what they have lol.
I am not telling you guys to stop posting or making statements. I honestly don't have any more information than you guys do. I am curious myself as to what the announcement tomorrow will contain.
Just telling you guys to tune in (visit gomtv.net) tomorrow when GOM makes an announcement. That's all I know. That there will be an announcement tomorrow.
On February 18 2011 01:22 ZlaSHeR wrote: Hating an american accent isn't really a valid point, since an american or british english accent is generally universally understood the best by english-speakers.
yep. esp american english is totally neutral and should be fine with absolutely evrybody. british and esp aussie english can be a bit "special" at times but i personally like it if the person has a good style/voice.
can make thingsmore difficult tho. human traffic for example is a hard hard movie to understand most of the time. not that ive ever heared a caster speaking like that ~
If they can do the Code A casts I would prefer Tastosis. If it's a thing that it's not humanly possible to do then I can understand them getting the new suggested casters. I'm just scared who they are going to get but I guess we will find out.
I am not telling you guys to stop posting or making statements. I honestly don't have any more information than you guys do. I am curious myself as to what the announcement tomorrow will contain.
Just telling you guys to tune in (visit gomtv.net) tomorrow when GOM makes an announcement. That's all I know. That there will be an announcement tomorrow.
Oops. I posted.
Seriously, this anouncing of anouncements gotta stop... -_-
On February 17 2011 21:10 minimat wrote: Wow I can't believe all you ignorant fucks. We put up with American accents for EVERYTHING, even the god dam Australian Tennis Open has an American commentator. Get over the fact that you are going to maybe have to strain you're precious ears a little bit to understand what she is saying because she is a great caster and if she doesn't get this spot it will be total bullshit.
GOM if this post is about Kelly not getting the spot then that is a fucking disgrace on you're part.
Do not project your views upon others - I'm another oceanic person and I have trouble understanding her poor casting and I spend all day socializing with Australians.
You also have to consider the fact that straining to understand a caster is one of the biggest drawbacks ever - they are there to supplement the game and if they are detracting from the quality of the experience by hampering a majority's ability to understand what's going on, then they are NOT a good caster.
You are asking a majority audience to make-do with a substandard caster because of your own personal beef with Americans. Are you trying to murder interest in Starcraft as a video game? If the representation of a professional caster for one of the biggest events in the world is someone who infact hampers the experience, then it reflects very poorly upon GSL and Starcraft as a whole.
Ok first off socialising with Australians isn't going to help you understand someone from Singapoore.
Secondly, I'm not pushing and view on any one I'm simply saying that she is a great caster and that an ASIAN tournament has picked an ASIAN caster and people should not be so narrow minded as to say THIS IS RIGHT AND NOTHING ELSE IS.
Thirdly I love Tasteless and to all the people saying Kellys game knowledge is lacking... You obviously mute the stream every second time Tasteless talks because its usually something wrong, however entertaining it is.
Lastly... You are from NZL.. Do you views even count?
They're getting casters for the Englsh stream, if someone speaks English that is inherently hard to understand for the masses then it is counter intuitive.
All I have gotten out of this thread is that Australians hate Americans. (i.e. first 2 pages)
And that they will be announcing Kelly tommorow, which puts me into a dilemma because the only real voice I have is deciding whether to purchase the season pass or not. And I really really like gom and cannot stand Kelly.
On February 18 2011 01:28 GOM.Sam wrote: Sine I posted on the other thread anyway...
I am not telling you guys to stop posting or making statements. I honestly don't have any more information than you guys do. I am curious myself as to what the announcement tomorrow will contain.
Just telling you guys to tune in (visit gomtv.net) tomorrow when GOM makes an announcement. That's all I know. That there will be an announcement tomorrow.
Oops. I posted.
Seriously, this anouncing of anouncements gotta stop... -_-
I dont mind if the announcement is for an announcement the following day, but what really annoys me is making people wait weeks for an announcement to an annoucement that will happened in 2 more weeks.
Her knowledge of the game is very lackluster and if you want somone to commentate for english speakers then that commentator should at least be able to speak english properly.
For those people saying she deserves a trial, all I have to say is does she really? She has been hired to cast previous lans such as SMM(for the dota fans out there), and of course Moonglade vs Loner. She hasn't improved and his been consistently hard to listen to and ruined the enjoyment of those events.
I understand that no one will be as good as tastosis was, but at least get a competant caster to pair with Torch.(who is a very good caster). If you expect people to pay for a season ticket or wake up in the middle of the night to watch these games then you should get Casters who can speak fluent english and understand the game. Thats all there is to it. If kelly is casting I'm just going to go to sc2rep.com, turn on the Korean cast of a specific game I want to watch and mute the casters and play some music. There is no incentive for me to watch gsl live or pay for a ticket if there aren't going to be any good casters.
I don't have anything against Kelly, she's a nice girl with a fun attitude. Just watch her SMM casts with Tobiwankenobi and you'll realise this.
However, watching the same casts makes it painfully clear that she's not the optimal person for this job. While she is very passionate about what she does, and quite knowledgeable about the game, her voice is simply not something that I would like to listen to while watching code A. I would in fact say that the enjoyment I would get out of watching Code A (which btw seems to be awesome this month, the GSTL really showed the potential of a lot of these players) might be lowered by having her there.
However, I wouldn't like GOM to fire her right off the bat if they had indeed decided on hiring her. Give her a season, see how it goes (feedback will be terrible at first ofc, question is if it improves as the season goes on).
tl;dr give Kelly a season to cast, if she doesn't improve in that month, replace her. Cause frankly speaking, having the kellymilkies of today shoutcast code a for the rest of the year would be a terrible decision.
OK didnt Sc2 just approved by China's Ministry of Culture last week? And some people were talking about her Chinese etc so maybe GOM is settings up a stream for Chinese players , which would be a good move considering the Chinese player base. It'll be announced tomorrow anyway , this guessing game and overreaction helps no one really...
On February 18 2011 02:14 Burn2Memory wrote: All I can say is please do not hire kellymilkies.
Her knowledge of the game is very lackluster and if you want somone to commentate for english speakers then that commentator should at least be able to speak english properly.
For those people saying she deserves a trial, all I have to say is does she really? She has been hired to cast previous lans such as SMM(for the dota fans out there), and of course Moonglade vs Loner. She hasn't improved and his been consistently hard to listen to and ruined the enjoyment of those events.
I understand that no one will be as good as tastosis was, but at least get a competant caster to pair with Torch.(who is a very good caster). If you expect people to pay for a season ticket or wake up in the middle of the night to watch these games then you should get Casters who can speak fluent english and understand the game. Thats all there is to it. If kelly is casting I'm just going to go to sc2rep.com, turn on the Korean cast of a specific game I want to watch and mute the casters and play some music. There is no incentive for me to watch gsl live or pay for a ticket if there aren't going to be any good casters.
Agreed!
...minus the bit where we give her a chance to ruin the GSL.
Seriously. I come home from work, stream me some Starcraft to relax, and the LAST thing I want is to have to use a translator to decipher this girls unintelligible engrish.
I'm not sexist or rascist. I just want to enjoy my Starcraft!!
On February 18 2011 02:20 zz_ wrote: I don't have anything against Kelly, she's a nice girl with a fun attitude. Just watch her SMM casts with Tobiwankenobi and you'll realise this.
However, watching the same casts makes it painfully clear that she's not the optimal person for this job. While she is very passionate about what she does, and quite knowledgeable about the game, her voice is simply not something that I would like to listen to while watching code A. I would in fact say that the enjoyment I would get out of watching Code A (which btw seems to be awesome this month, the GSTL really showed the potential of a lot of these players) might be lowered by having her there.
However, I wouldn't like GOM to fire her right off the bat if they had indeed decided on hiring her. Give her a season, see how it goes (feedback will be terrible at first ofc, question is if it improves as the season goes on).
tl;dr give Kelly a season to cast, if she doesn't improve in that month, replace her. Cause frankly speaking, having the kellymilkies of today shoutcast code a for the rest of the year would be a terrible decision.
On February 17 2011 19:51 FrogOfWar wrote: I really hope they don't kick her because of the shitstorm. At least they could let her do one season just to see how it goes. Many people in entertainment improve(d) a lot during their careers, especially in the very early stages. If no one took a risk every once in a while, we'd never see new faces. Also, maybe E-Sports doesn't need to remain a men's club in all eternity.
It has nothing to do with her being a girl. VTPeanut and the girl casting for GLHF #2 are both very good casters. No offence to Kellymilkies but her accent is really not nice to listen to. Being a commentator isn't just about your knowledge, it's about your voice as well and her voice doesn't suit it at all(imo).
With respect, Peanut is worse then Kelly, any caster that goes 'ummm' at the beginning of every single sentence while casting isn't particularly good.
I also don't like KellyMilkies' accent but I agree with those who said that if she had been given an agreement to cast Code A I think she should be allowed to at least cast this season.
KellyMilkies' accent is one most native English speakers don't hear outside of Australia and New Zealand. She has an asian accent for sure, but it's also clear she learned English from Australians, so she has an accent that is even less familiar to the typical batch of Americans and English-speaking Euros here on TL. For my two cents, her accent is understandable but I can understand why some people may not pick up on it at first.
I wanted to listen to her casting and judge her on the same merits I'd judge Tastosis, so I skulked around youtube a bit yesterday listening to her work. I think her understanding of the game as a viewer is decent, but she has a harder time explaining why the subtleties of the game are so critical. In several of her casts she took too much time to explain the self-explanatory, and too little explaining the ways players are trying to push ahead outside of just direct conflict.
I want her to cast a season, and I don't even care if we call it "affirmative action." The truth is, I want more women in e-sports. Most women entering a bastion of male nerdiness are driven to show the guys that they're able to hang, and I want her to succeed. I agree with statements here that say her invitation should only be extended on the basis of her merits. Asking the internet to tone down the cynicism a bit is certainly a stretch, but please, do try for one season of GSL and maybe we'll have something good come of this!
I think she deserves a shot. I don't understand all of the anger over her selection. Sure, she has an accent that's difficult to understand and is maybe even annoying, but that's the type of thing that we get used to. It certainly is easier to understand than some of the thicker accents I've had to listen to from European casters and at the very least, she brings a level of excitement to the cast. I'd rather have that than some of the casters in Europe (Assembly English cast...). As long as she sticks to play-by-play rather than attempt to add insightful comments, I'd be fine. I think Torch will impress us with his knowledge of the game.
On February 18 2011 03:07 cydereal wrote: She has an asian accent for sure, but it's also clear she learned English from Australians,
What? It is a very typical Singaporean-English accent (Singlish is the common terminology). It has nothing to do with Australians, except for the fact we get loads of Singaporean students in Australia and I guess to some extent we're acclimatised to their accent.
I want her to cast a season, and I don't even care if we call it "affirmative action." The truth is, I want more women in e-sports. Most women entering a bastion of male nerdiness are driven to show the guys that they're able to hang, and I want her to succeed.
If that is not the dumbest statement I have ever read on TL, then I dont know what is.
Hey, next, how about Collusus shoot pink lasers? SCVs wear skirts in solidarity?
Lets have two Queens inject each other, and then have a cigarette?
On February 18 2011 03:18 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Cool, another announcement about making an announcement . lol
It's not GOM's fault, they had to say something after Kelly spilled the beans on her Twitter.
If I were GOM, I'd be pissed that she did that.
This, basically. For GOM it was either do some damage control or potentially lose a lot of customers. It's still an announcement about an announcement(yo dawg, I heard you like announcements, etc.) but it's nice that they're doing something.
Do Americans seriously have that hard of a time understanding foreign accents? Maybe they should brush up on their own English because there's nothing wrong with Kelly's English besides her Singaporean pronunciation.
On February 18 2011 03:13 iko wrote:This is the dumbest reason in the world to ever give someone a casting gig.
I'm sure I could come up with dumber.
The posts immediately following mine are part of why gaming is such a sausage fest. Most women don't want to be around it, let alone get into it, because they've got to deal with the memetic internet sexism that anonymity tends to bring out in young men.
I don't want to stoke the flames too much, but FWIW I think Kelly has contributed a fair amount more to the community than most of the people posting and is a valid choice among the b-team SC2 casters of the world.
On February 18 2011 03:12 bennyaus wrote:What? It is a very typical Singaporean-English accent (Singlish is the common terminology). It has nothing to do with Australians, except for the fact we get loads of Singaporean students in Australia and I guess to some extent we're acclimatised to their accent.
Ahh. Fair play then. I've heard Singaporean English a fair bit and, having studied phonology in university, I thought I was picking up on a few cues of Aussie English mixed into her more dominant asian accent.
On February 18 2011 03:13 iko wrote:This is the dumbest reason in the world to ever give someone a casting gig.
I'm sure I could come up with dumber.
The posts immediately following mine are part of why gaming is such a sausage fest. Most women don't want to be around it, let alone get into it, because they've got to deal with the memetic internet sexism that anonymity tends to bring out in young men.
Fear of memes? I highly doubt that's the reason women aren't into gaming. Maybe they just, *gasp*, don't like gaming, because they don't find it entertaining or interesting.
On February 18 2011 03:51 Enervate wrote:Fear of memes? I highly doubt that's the reason women aren't into gaming. Maybe they just, *gasp*, don't like gaming, because they don't find it entertaining or interesting.
Many people irrespective of gender don't find it interesting or entertaining. I'm suggesting that there are women who would be into gaming, except that in order to participate in the community, they've got to enter a community that still thinks "make me a sandwich" jokes are funny.
On February 18 2011 03:13 iko wrote:This is the dumbest reason in the world to ever give someone a casting gig.
The posts immediately following mine are part of why gaming is such a sausage fest. Most women don't want to be around it, let alone get into it, because they've got to deal with the memetic internet sexism that anonymity tends to bring out in young men.
To put this harshly, you are simply white knighting and putting pussy on a pedestal.
You showed your bias with no shame by stating "I want to see more women in e-sports."
So no doubt your opinion on the co-caster for Code A is rife with this bias and cannot be taken seriously as you're not willing to put gender aside to size up the person for their skills, not for their genitals.
On February 18 2011 03:13 iko wrote:This is the dumbest reason in the world to ever give someone a casting gig.
I'm sure I could come up with dumber.
The posts immediately following mine are part of why gaming is such a sausage fest. Most women don't want to be around it, let alone get into it, because they've got to deal with the memetic internet sexism that anonymity tends to bring out in young men.
I don't want to stoke the flames too much, but FWIW I think Kelly has contributed a fair amount more to the community than most of the people posting and is a valid choice among the b-team SC2 casters of the world.
On February 18 2011 03:12 bennyaus wrote:What? It is a very typical Singaporean-English accent (Singlish is the common terminology). It has nothing to do with Australians, except for the fact we get loads of Singaporean students in Australia and I guess to some extent we're acclimatised to their accent.
Ahh. Fair play then. I've heard Singaporean English a fair bit and, having studied phonology in university, I thought I was picking up on a few cues of Aussie English mixed into her more dominant asian accent.
The reason why she shouldn't be picked is that she doesn't have a superb voice for the second best tournament currently in the world, and just happen to lack *gasp* GAME KNOWLEDGE!
And don't bring up Tasteless, he is playing dumb to set up Artosis. But he still give quality analysis when needed, which I doubt Kelly could bring to the table.
Yes, we as starcraft community should embrace the notion of more female participant, but GSL isn't a place to give out affirmative actions.
On February 18 2011 03:36 chenchen wrote: Do Americans seriously have that hard of a time understanding foreign accents? Maybe they should brush up on their own English because there's nothing wrong with Kelly's English besides her Singaporean pronunciation.
Please translate this. I honestly don't understand a word of it in the beginning, and even though I catch words here and there during the match, I have no clue what she's actually trying to say. This is a huge problem to overcome for her, but I hope that she can make it work.
It's not sexist. We gave Jason Lee/Ansem/whoever else the same harsh treatment when they replaced Tastosis for that week they went to Blizzcon. Fact of the matter is, we like Tastosis and anybody that wants to take their place has to have proven themselves beforehand so that we know they're good. Kelly hasn't done this yet, thus she is receiving harsh criticism. It doesn't matter that she is male or female. Look at Torch, he casted one GSL game alongside Tasteless. It went fine. Thus if he were to be a code A commentator we would all like that. It's all very simple.
On February 18 2011 04:00 iko wrote: To put this harshly, you are simply white knighting and putting pussy on a pedestal.
You showed your bias with no shame by stating "I want to see more women in e-sports."
So no doubt your opinion on the co-caster for Code A is rife with this bias and cannot be taken seriously as you're not willing to put gender aside to size up the person for their skills, not for their genitals.
If we weren't speaking about a woman, the phrase "white knighting" wouldn't even come to mind. The sexism here is endemic to part of your argument, though decidedly not all of it.
I want the best caster who is both willing and able to be in Korea for Code A. I consider helping get more women into e-sports a side benefit and something we should work for as long as the caliber of the tournament stays good. In this particular case, I think there aren't many people up for the commitment and that kellymilkies is a reasonable choice who also, as a side benefit, might help get more women into the game.
I shouldn't be, but I'm surprised at the vitriol here.
There is a reason women don't cast sports. Let's be honest guys, theres nothing worse than a ranting woman with an obnoxious voice who doesn't know what they are talking about. This happens often and men will stick with women like that for one reason: vagina.
SC2 does need more women but let them cheer from the sidelines, casting is a lot about the voice, and Kelly does not have the voice for this, and I'd be hard pressed to find any girl that does. Shit ever watch the Korean stream? The girl there is annoying as Hell but adds hype value with her battle cries. OHHHHHHHHHH.
On February 18 2011 03:36 chenchen wrote: Do Americans seriously have that hard of a time understanding foreign accents? Maybe they should brush up on their own English because there's nothing wrong with Kelly's English besides her Singaporean pronunciation.
I realize the current trend is to bash Americans but it's not just Americans who have a hard time understanding her. People from Europe have stated as much, even Singaporeans seem to have difficulty.
The few people that aren't bashing kelly for her voice are complaining that she doesn't have game knowledge. Have any of them actually watched more than a 5 minute stretch of her casting. Not only is she passionate about the game but she plays her fair share and you can tell that when she casts, any time she gets the chance to cast a PvZ on Xel'naga she likes to point out all the places force fields can ruin zergs day. You don't get Liquidpedia page for knowing nothing about the game, I don't see Husky or HD on there. She knows more than people are giving her credit for give her a chance.
On February 17 2011 19:41 Deyster wrote: I hope whoever it is that's casting, is that he or she has an American accent. Cause I sometimes have a hard time understand other accents specially non-native ones.
I hope not. The American accent grates on my ears.
Do you not what TV shows or Movies or anything? Bit surprised by that statement lol
I hate American accents too just something about it that is extremely irritating, just because like every movie and TV has American actors doesn't mean I have to like it ...
Which american accent as there are about 15 different ones?
On topic i really hope she is not casting code a as i have seen her cast dota before and there is the same problem that i have with a hmong friend of mine, once she is excited i have absolutely no idea what she is saying.
On February 18 2011 03:07 cydereal wrote: I agree with statements here that say her invitation should only be extended on the basis of her merits.
The above is from my first post. That should clarify my opinion that she should be subject to scrutiny. In your case, Iko, I think you're making a (mostly) reasonable argument. I'm only on about the sexism stuff because of statements like the following:
On February 18 2011 04:30 CurLy[] wrote: There is a reason women don't cast sports. Let's be honest guys, theres nothing worse than a ranting woman with an obnoxious voice who doesn't know what they are talking about. This happens often and men will stick with women like that for one reason: vagina.
SC2 does need more women but let them cheer from the sidelines, casting is a lot about the voice, and Kelly does not have the voice for this, and I'd be hard pressed to find any girl that does. Shit ever watch the Korean stream? The girl there is annoying as Hell but adds hype value with her battle cries. OHHHHHHHHHH.
On February 18 2011 02:31 Tiax;mous wrote: OK didnt Sc2 just approved by China's Ministry of Culture last week? And some people were talking about her Chinese etc so maybe GOM is settings up a stream for Chinese players , which would be a good move considering the Chinese player base. It'll be announced tomorrow anyway , this guessing game and overreaction helps no one really...
I really hope this is the case as her english casting in tense moments is just uncomprehensible even to asian americans.
On February 18 2011 03:36 chenchen wrote: Do Americans seriously have that hard of a time understanding foreign accents? Maybe they should brush up on their own English because there's nothing wrong with Kelly's English besides her Singaporean pronunciation.
As a bilingual canadian, who deals with really funny english accents all the time, I tend to disagree. It has little to do with brushing up on your own language, when it comes to understanding accents. It has more to do with dealing with that accent more and more.
I'm sure if gom keeps using her for a while (more than one season), most people will get used to it. But they're paying for a service, and they have a right to complain if they find it lacking, or unsuitable (or if the commentator is impossible for them to understand).
On February 18 2011 01:58 Arcticc wrote: All I have gotten out of this thread is that Australians hate Americans. (i.e. first 2 pages)
And that they will be announcing Kelly tommorow, which puts me into a dilemma because the only real voice I have is deciding whether to purchase the season pass or not. And I really really like gom and cannot stand Kelly.
Whoever posted that they can only stand American accents is an excellent troll. Literally one person says that and 20 Australians lose their shit.
Its not her having an accent that I think bothers most people, its her specific accent. I find her almost unintelligible but in general Australian and British accents to be quite pleasant.
I don't mean to be harsh, but Kelly's english is not very good. I watched a few videos found her quite difficult to understand and grating at times. I have many friends from South Korea, China, India, and Eastern Europe, and Mexico who have english as a second language and a few of them have moved here in the last 5 years, so I'm used to people with strong accents and can usually figure out what they are saying fast. I can get the gist of what she is saying but it is not pleasant to listen to and overall diminishes the experience. I hope Gom makes the right choice.
I hope they have TorcH casting, if kellymilkies is actually chosen at least he may be able to redeem it. This is making me wonder about buying a ticket though. I probably still will for Code S but it would sadden me if Code A is ruined by subpar commentary
On February 18 2011 04:52 eNtitY~ wrote: I dont understand why Tasteless and Artosis wouldn't be commentating... ~_~
It seems just because of the time commitment. Early on in the tournament, they may end up casting 6+ hours a day.
6 hours a day... oh WOW. It's their job, most people work at least 8 hours some even 12. If I was in there position I would want to cast as much as possible since I 1) enjoy it and 2) get paid.
I knew this would come up eventually. Try talking enthusiastically for six hours a day, five (sometimes six) days a week, for two/three weeks straight. You will lose your voice. That's bad.
It's not as simple as "LOL REAL PEOPLE WORK 9 HOURS A DAY DEAL WITH IT".
I knew this would come up eventually. Try talking enthusiastically for six hours a day, five (sometimes six) days a week, for two/three weeks straight. You will lose your voice. That's bad.
It's not as simple as "LOL REAL PEOPLE WORK 9 HOURS A DAY DEAL WITH IT".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they talk 6 hours straight for 5-6 days a week for 2-3 weeks.
Code S/A is spread out over 3 weeks and with each day the number of players drop. Looking at GSL 4 the most amount of casting they had to do was in the first few days in which they would do AT MOST 2 groups of 4 per day with a break between the groups.
About an average of 5 games per group. With an average of 20mins per game + pre/post game commentary.
"LOL REAL PEOPLE WORK 9 HOURS A DAY DEAL WITH IT" Don't put words in my mouth. I respect them.
I knew this would come up eventually. Try talking enthusiastically for six hours a day, five (sometimes six) days a week, for two/three weeks straight. You will lose your voice. That's bad.
It's not as simple as "LOL REAL PEOPLE WORK 9 HOURS A DAY DEAL WITH IT".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they talk 6 hours straight for 5-6 days a week for 2-3 weeks.
Code S/A is spread out over 3 weeks and with each day the number of players drop. Looking at GSL 4 the most amount of casting they had to do was in the first few days in which they would do AT MOST 2 groups of 4 per day with a break between the groups.
About an average of 5 games per group. With an average of 20mins per game + pre/post game commentary.
"LOL REAL PEOPLE WORK 9 HOURS A DAY DEAL WITH IT" Don't put words in my mouth. I respect them and you should respect others.
I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm just exaggerating. I guess I need to be serious, then.
Let's say your numbers are right, and remember that the amount of games played goes up every time the rounds go up. Doesn't matter. Typically, television personalities might work for an hour a day tops. Some work two hours, with two day breaks. The reason, is because they'll lose their voices. It's actually pretty common. Do you not hear tasteless' and artosis' voice breaking when they get excited later in S4? That's why.
On February 18 2011 04:52 eNtitY~ wrote: I dont understand why Tasteless and Artosis wouldn't be commentating... ~_~
It seems just because of the time commitment. Early on in the tournament, they may end up casting 6+ hours a day.
also with extra casters on their staff, it'll be easier for them to take off sometime if they're sick or need a day off. I'm sure tasteless needed a few days when he had that cold that lasted forever D=
I knew this would come up eventually. Try talking enthusiastically for six hours a day, five (sometimes six) days a week, for two/three weeks straight. You will lose your voice. That's bad.
It's not as simple as "LOL REAL PEOPLE WORK 9 HOURS A DAY DEAL WITH IT".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they talk 6 hours straight for 5-6 days a week for 2-3 weeks.
Code S/A is spread out over 3 weeks and with each day the number of players drop. Looking at GSL 4 the most amount of casting they had to do was in the first few days in which they would do AT MOST 2 groups of 4 per day with a break between the groups.
About an average of 5 games per group. With an average of 20mins per game + pre/post game commentary.
"LOL REAL PEOPLE WORK 9 HOURS A DAY DEAL WITH IT" Don't put words in my mouth. I respect them and you should respect others.
I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm just exaggerating. I guess I need to be serious, then.
Let's say your numbers are right, and remember that the amount of games played goes up every time the rounds go up. Doesn't matter. Typically, television personalities might work for an hour a day tops. Some work two hours, with two day breaks. The reason, is because they'll lose their voices. It's actually pretty common. Do you not hear tasteless' and artosis' voice breaking when they get excited later in S4? That's why.
In the end, I miss them.
and their replacement's prospects seem subpar at best.
I dislike the fact that some people are like "Kelly is terrible, so im not going to buy the 10$ pass!" Honestly if that your only excuse its seems to be pretty lame one, for me just the Code S matches alone are worth 10$ and while i didn't watch any of the code A matches in Jan (except for semi upwards) im definitely going to watch them this month with all the non-koreans. Not buying a ticket because of kelly just seem to be a bad excuse for something you are not going to do anyways.
Also i don't know hoe good/bad Kelly is, since english is my third language im pretty ok with accents. I will reserve judgement until the March seasons ends.
Sounds like Wolf is teasing that he is the second man for the job. Congrats to him if that's the case. Not sure about the whole Kelly posting things before it was announced. Not very professional is that's the case...especially over facebook or twitter.
I am just afraid it's going to be obvious casting. Maybe some people like when a caster just words the stuff you see yourself, but I don't.
Tastosis talk about thoughts/stuff before/after/behind something which we are seeing on screen. And the funny non-starcraft stuff is just fun to listen to.
It might be just a style difference though. Like the Korean guys use a lot more volume in casting, which Kelly seems to like too. This combined with Singaporion English makes it bit harder to follow.
I just like the calm, relaxed, clear casting by Tastosis.
But I'll check the games anyway, since the player frield seems a lot more fun than previous A-season.
I think it would be an interesting idea to split Tastosis. Everyone loves Tasteless and Artosis and no matter who they're getting for Code A, they're not going to match what Tastosis has done. If we split Tasteless and Artosis so that they're each paired with a new caster, I think everyone will find it far more acceptable. We could have Tasteless + New guy for Code S and Artosis + New guy for Code A. Good idea?
On February 18 2011 06:43 KevinIX wrote: I think it would be an interesting idea to split Tastosis. Everyone loves Tasteless and Artosis and no matter who they're getting for Code A, they're not going to match what Tastosis has done. If we split Tasteless and Artosis so that they're each paired with a new caster, I think everyone will find it far more acceptable. We could have Tasteless + New guy for Code S and Artosis + New guy for Code A. Good idea?
No, it would not be, i will prove it by math: Artosis=5 Tastless=5 Thus, Tastosis=5*5=25 Code A #1=2 Code A #2=2 Thus Code A=2*2=4 Total=25+4=29
Artosis and Code A #1=5*2=10 Tastless and COde A #2=5*2=10 Total=10+10=20
To conclude 29>20, so tastosis must remain together.
Edit: I forgot the units for my calculations, the unit is Awesomeness.
If GOM made Starcraft 2 instead of Blizzard, it would be flawless by now. <3 GOM's amazing communication skill and ability and willingness to listen to their fans.
I think some people are confusing "American" accent with californian accent. In the south, most people have a slight drawl, in the east you can hear the accent as well and I get really annoyed with sports commentators from the New England area because of their pronunciation. What we get on TV is a californian accent which is a very simple and dull version. Basically you don't accent anything while speaking, quite the opposite to most accents.
I knew this would come up eventually. Try talking enthusiastically for six hours a day, five (sometimes six) days a week, for two/three weeks straight. You will lose your voice. That's bad.
It's not as simple as "LOL REAL PEOPLE WORK 9 HOURS A DAY DEAL WITH IT".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they talk 6 hours straight for 5-6 days a week for 2-3 weeks.
Code S/A is spread out over 3 weeks and with each day the number of players drop. Looking at GSL 4 the most amount of casting they had to do was in the first few days in which they would do AT MOST 2 groups of 4 per day with a break between the groups.
About an average of 5 games per group. With an average of 20mins per game + pre/post game commentary.
"LOL REAL PEOPLE WORK 9 HOURS A DAY DEAL WITH IT" Don't put words in my mouth. I respect them and you should respect others.
I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm just exaggerating. I guess I need to be serious, then.
Let's say your numbers are right, and remember that the amount of games played goes up every time the rounds go up. Doesn't matter. Typically, television personalities might work for an hour a day tops. Some work two hours, with two day breaks. The reason, is because they'll lose their voices. It's actually pretty common. Do you not hear tasteless' and artosis' voice breaking when they get excited later in S4? That's why.
Ever listened to talk radio? As for television personalities, and by that I assume you mean people like Bill O'Reilly, many of them have their own radio shows which they do everyday.
at first i was like oh people are just being a little bit harsh, then i actually heard her try to cast and i must say a retarded monkey could have done a better job and would have been more entertaining to watch then her talk
This might be a good news for me, GOM posted this after thread was made about kelly being code a caster. After all the things people commenting about her casting for GSL, they post this thread, YES!
On February 18 2011 07:42 darth_hater wrote: at first i was like oh people are just being a little bit harsh, then i actually heard her try to cast and i must say a retarded monkey could have done a better job and would have been more entertaining to watch then her talk
I really hope that this wasn't a serious post. Anyway, whether or not Kelly is casting in English or any other language, I look forward to it.
On February 18 2011 07:42 darth_hater wrote: at first i was like oh people are just being a little bit harsh, then i actually heard her try to cast and i must say a retarded monkey could have done a better job and would have been more entertaining to watch then her talk
I really hope that this wasn't a serious post. Anyway, whether or not Kelly is casting in English or any other language, I look forward to it.
Serious or not that post contributes nothing except hate.
People are freaking out too much, this is Code A people Tastosis will be casting Code S. I personally think she could improve significantly if allowed an opportunity to caste with GOM
I really liked the analysis of the Terminus map. Some interesting basic thoughts on the new maps would help more casual players like myself understand the new maps when they come up (or in my Liquibets...), especially since I haven't played on them much, if at all.
More of these for the other new maps would be great! Can't wait for GSL March! (also B.K. fighting!)
I wasn't really feeling her casting style and couldn't really tell what she was saying sometimes, but I do hope that GOM doesn't completely ignore any casters who doesn't have an American accent. I can do well with a British speaking lad. =P
On February 18 2011 08:28 Rayeth wrote: I really liked the analysis of the Terminus map. Some interesting basic thoughts on the new maps would help more casual players like myself understand the new maps when they come up (or in my Liquibets...), especially since I haven't played on them much, if at all.
More of these for the other new maps would be great! Can't wait for GSL March! (also B.K. fighting!)
Yeah, he is very honest and humble, and very analytic. I like the interview as well.
On February 18 2011 07:39 esla_sol wrote: oh man, yesterday i was like fuuuu, kellymilkies in code a .... wheres the archon?
then today they post this! thank god
The archon's likely going to be casting Code S exclusively regardless of whether or not they fire Kelly. Doing both has been hard on their voices and getting them sick, and it shows.
On February 18 2011 07:26 darmousseh wrote: I think some people are confusing "American" accent with californian accent. In the south, most people have a slight drawl, in the east you can hear the accent as well and I get really annoyed with sports commentators from the New England area because of their pronunciation. What we get on TV is a californian accent which is a very simple and dull version. Basically you don't accent anything while speaking, quite the opposite to most accents.
Wrong actually, California has a pretty unique accent. The "lack of accent" you are referring to actually originates from the midwest. It's the preferred accent of news casters/anchors etc.
Back on topic I could care less about accents so long as I can understand what I'm hearing. Total Biscuit has a more extreme accent than I'm used to for example, but I can understand him perfectly. He's also much more enthusiastic than Kelly.
On February 18 2011 07:42 darth_hater wrote: at first i was like oh people are just being a little bit harsh, then i actually heard her try to cast and i must say a retarded monkey could have done a better job and would have been more entertaining to watch then her talk
I really hope that this wasn't a serious post. Anyway, whether or not Kelly is casting in English or any other language, I look forward to it.
Serious or not that post contributes nothing except hate.
People are freaking out too much, this is Code A people Tastosis will be casting Code S. I personally think she could improve significantly if allowed an opportunity to caste with GOM
You talk as if this Code A is the same as every other Code A before it...
Maybe you haven't seen the brackets. You should check it out, before you post crap.
and P to the S, why do we have to watch someone fumble around their english, trying to get better at not only commentating/casting the highest level of games.. but also at speaking discernible english - DURING what may be one of the most exciting Code A matches to come? Hm?
You think people are being harsh. No. People just want to enjoy their Starcraft. You're the one being harsh by supporting her position out there, when you know that there's no way in hell she's going to improve enough to be at an even acceptable level of understandable casting.
You want to ruin it for the rest of us? Go ahead. Don't say I didn't warn you.
I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who want her to have a shot and those who are providing respectful, constructive criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the rest make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. As long as she works on her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences, I personally think she could do a great job, especially with another good caster by her side.
I wonder what Gom's pluses and minuses for this candidate was?
+female +talk a lot +likes starcraft
Oh man... sorry, I just got sucked into this whirlpool of sarcasm on this thread.
But yeah, I seriously think one of the reason, (if kelly was selected) was that she can talk a lot, whereas tasteless and artosis sometimes have moments of silence. It's not like the Korean commentators at all where they talk all the time. In the video, Kelly seems to be able to go nonstop.
There are some commentators on youtube that also have that moment of silence that I feel maybe were not attractive to the ear when their videos were being judged. But they're still good much like Artosis/Tasteless. So yeah, this is just a concern since theres a difference in how english commentators do their thing and how korean commentators do their thing...
On February 18 2011 09:29 kuroshiro wrote: I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who want her to have a shot and those who are providing respectful, constructive criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the rest make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. As long as she works on her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences, I personally think she could do a great job, especially with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she gets her chance.
I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who don't want her to have a shot and those who are providing reasonable, valid criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the minority make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. But her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences is beyond understanding, her in-game experience doesn't seem to show at all, and I personally think she's going to do a terrible job, even with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she doesn't ruin my most favourite tournament in the world.
On February 18 2011 09:43 KaiserJohan wrote: I have high hopes for totalbiscuit!
As totally amazing as that would be (imo) I don't know if he'd be willing to travel over to Korea for it. If he's said different on the issue though, I will gladly stand corrected!
On February 18 2011 09:29 kuroshiro wrote: I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who want her to have a shot and those who are providing respectful, constructive criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the rest make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. As long as she works on her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences, I personally think she could do a great job, especially with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she gets her chance.
I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who don't want her to have a shot and those who are providing reasonable, valid criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the minority make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. But her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences is beyond understanding, her in-game experience doesn't seem to show at all, and I personally think she's going to do a terrible job, even with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she doesn't ruin my most favourite tournament in the world.
-I fixed it for you buddy.
:p very clevar!
The voice thing seems to be the only well-founded criticism people have (too few casts to truly gauge her game-knowloedge), and it's definitely far from perfect. But what people somehow don't seem to factor in is the rather blindly obvious fact that GOM is not run by gibbering morons.
Is it impossible for her to improve on her voice? Is there absolutely no chance in hell GOM hired someone willing and prepared to work extremely hard on improving herself, on her most obvious and most heavily criticised flaw (that will no doubt have been discussed during the screening/interview procedure)?
If I'm to extrapolate from some of the posts on these forums I'd have to return a resounding "herp-derp-dee-derp-NOOOOO!", because they've obviously come to the conclusion that GOM don't give a damn about having their casts understood by anybody anywhere, because they just want you to sit and stare at boobs for an hour each day, because that's what will make them money and spread e-sports around the world in the most efficient manner.
Sheez dude/s, get a grip - believe it or not *everyone* involved in this wants to make the GSL as succesful as possible and is trying to make the best decisions they can to achieve that goal.
I'm sure GOM has been having a ton of thought and possibly hesitation over their upcoming decision. According to Carefoot's livestream of the GSL Code A qualifiers some weeks ago, John was caught mentioning to Torch and Carefoot that the Code A casters would be announced on the subsequent Monday, though that never happened. Despite all our criticisms, they might've seen something in Kelly that we did not, and it may entirely be possible that they may be having a pool of casters.
I, for one, look forward to this very belated announcement.
I'm not sure who's more racist, the people in this thread or the people who moved their children out of school because black kids were moving in.
I hope Wolf is the second caster, I've been hoping he'd get in ever since I saw that he applied. I think the experience will be great for both of them and I'm sure they'll both improve immensely, not just from being with GOM but also because I'm sure Dan and Nick will be mentoring them on some level.
On February 18 2011 09:29 kuroshiro wrote: I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who want her to have a shot and those who are providing respectful, constructive criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the rest make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. As long as she works on her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences, I personally think she could do a great job, especially with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she gets her chance.
I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who don't want her to have a shot and those who are providing reasonable, valid criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the minority make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. But her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences is beyond understanding, her in-game experience doesn't seem to show at all, and I personally think she's going to do a terrible job, even with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she doesn't ruin my most favourite tournament in the world.
-I fixed it for you buddy.
:p very clevar!
The voice thing seems to be the only well-founded criticism people have (too few casts to truly gauge her game-knowloedge), and it's definitely far from perfect. But what people somehow don't seem to factor in is the rather blindly obvious fact that GOM is not run by gibbering morons.
Is it impossible for her to improve on her voice? Is there absolutely no chance in hell GOM hired someone willing and prepared to work extremely hard on improving herself, on her most obvious and most heavily criticised flaw (that will no doubt have been discussed during the screening/interview procedure)?
If I'm to extrapolate from some of the posts on these forums I'd have to return a resounding "herp-derp-dee-derp-NOOOOO!", because they've obviously come to the conclusion that GOM don't give a damn about having their casts understood by anybody anywhere, because they just want you to sit and stare at boobs for an hour each day, because that's what will make them money and spread e-sports around the world in the most efficient manner.
Sheez dude/s, get a grip - believe it or not *everyone* involved in this wants to make the GSL as succesful as possible and is trying to make the best decisions they can to achieve that goal.
Or I'm wrong. But whatever - I'll be watching ^_^
^This. you guys seriously need to work better at being nice and not bash someone from just one cast. she might not be perfect now, but there's room for improvement.
On February 18 2011 09:29 kuroshiro wrote: I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who want her to have a shot and those who are providing respectful, constructive criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the rest make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. As long as she works on her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences, I personally think she could do a great job, especially with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she gets her chance.
I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who don't want her to have a shot and those who are providing reasonable, valid criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the minority make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. But her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences is beyond understanding, her in-game experience doesn't seem to show at all, and I personally think she's going to do a terrible job, even with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she doesn't ruin my most favourite tournament in the world.
-I fixed it for you buddy.
:p very clevar!
The voice thing seems to be the only well-founded criticism people have (too few casts to truly gauge her game-knowloedge), and it's definitely far from perfect. But what people somehow don't seem to factor in is the rather blindly obvious fact that GOM is not run by gibbering morons.
Is it impossible for her to improve on her voice? Is there absolutely no chance in hell GOM hired someone willing and prepared to work extremely hard on improving herself, on her most obvious and most heavily criticised flaw (that will no doubt have been discussed during the screening/interview procedure)?
If I'm to extrapolate from some of the posts on these forums I'd have to return a resounding "herp-derp-dee-derp-NOOOOO!", because they've obviously come to the conclusion that GOM don't give a damn about having their casts understood by anybody anywhere, because they just want you to sit and stare at boobs for an hour each day, because that's what will make them money and spread e-sports around the world in the most efficient manner.
Sheez dude/s, get a grip - believe it or not *everyone* involved in this wants to make the GSL as succesful as possible and is trying to make the best decisions they can to achieve that goal.
Or I'm wrong. But whatever - I'll be watching ^_^
^This. you guys seriously need to work better at being nice and not bash someone from just one cast. she might not be perfect now, but there's room for improvement.
But the thing is this is the GSL this is not for people to improve, we want the best there are plenty of other tournaments who want casters which is where people should improve.
On February 18 2011 09:43 KaiserJohan wrote: I have high hopes for totalbiscuit!
As totally amazing as that would be (imo) I don't know if he'd be willing to travel over to Korea for it. If he's said different on the issue though, I will gladly stand corrected!
If TotalBiscuit got the job it would single handedly ruin Code A for me. I find his voice and the things he says about/during the game highly annoying.
On February 18 2011 09:29 kuroshiro wrote: I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who want her to have a shot and those who are providing respectful, constructive criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the rest make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. As long as she works on her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences, I personally think she could do a great job, especially with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she gets her chance.
I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who don't want her to have a shot and those who are providing reasonable, valid criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the minority make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. But her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences is beyond understanding, her in-game experience doesn't seem to show at all, and I personally think she's going to do a terrible job, even with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she doesn't ruin my most favourite tournament in the world.
-I fixed it for you buddy.
:p very clevar!
The voice thing seems to be the only well-founded criticism people have (too few casts to truly gauge her game-knowloedge), and it's definitely far from perfect. But what people somehow don't seem to factor in is the rather blindly obvious fact that GOM is not run by gibbering morons.
Is it impossible for her to improve on her voice? Is there absolutely no chance in hell GOM hired someone willing and prepared to work extremely hard on improving herself, on her most obvious and most heavily criticised flaw (that will no doubt have been discussed during the screening/interview procedure)?
If I'm to extrapolate from some of the posts on these forums I'd have to return a resounding "herp-derp-dee-derp-NOOOOO!", because they've obviously come to the conclusion that GOM don't give a damn about having their casts understood by anybody anywhere, because they just want you to sit and stare at boobs for an hour each day, because that's what will make them money and spread e-sports around the world in the most efficient manner.
Sheez dude/s, get a grip - believe it or not *everyone* involved in this wants to make the GSL as succesful as possible and is trying to make the best decisions they can to achieve that goal.
Or I'm wrong. But whatever - I'll be watching ^_^
^This. you guys seriously need to work better at being nice and not bash someone from just one cast. she might not be perfect now, but there's room for improvement.
Dude, it's not just one cast. I've been trying to listen to her casting over a period of weeks. It's never been enjoyable.
On February 18 2011 09:29 kuroshiro wrote: I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who want her to have a shot and those who are providing respectful, constructive criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the rest make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. As long as she works on her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences, I personally think she could do a great job, especially with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she gets her chance.
I hope GOM is hearing the voices of those who don't want her to have a shot and those who are providing reasonable, valid criticism. Sometimes it's difficult for them to be heard over the clamour the minority make.
She seems like a bright personality, and apparently has decent experience in the game from a player's stand-point. But her pronunciation when it comes to fast-action sequences is beyond understanding, her in-game experience doesn't seem to show at all, and I personally think she's going to do a terrible job, even with another good caster by her side.
I really honestly hope she doesn't ruin my most favourite tournament in the world.
-I fixed it for you buddy.
:p very clevar!
The voice thing seems to be the only well-founded criticism people have (too few casts to truly gauge her game-knowloedge), and it's definitely far from perfect. But what people somehow don't seem to factor in is the rather blindly obvious fact that GOM is not run by gibbering morons.
Is it impossible for her to improve on her voice? Is there absolutely no chance in hell GOM hired someone willing and prepared to work extremely hard on improving herself, on her most obvious and most heavily criticised flaw (that will no doubt have been discussed during the screening/interview procedure)?
If I'm to extrapolate from some of the posts on these forums I'd have to return a resounding "herp-derp-dee-derp-NOOOOO!", because they've obviously come to the conclusion that GOM don't give a damn about having their casts understood by anybody anywhere, because they just want you to sit and stare at boobs for an hour each day, because that's what will make them money and spread e-sports around the world in the most efficient manner.
Sheez dude/s, get a grip - believe it or not *everyone* involved in this wants to make the GSL as succesful as possible and is trying to make the best decisions they can to achieve that goal.
Or I'm wrong. But whatever - I'll be watching ^_^
^This. you guys seriously need to work better at being nice and not bash someone from just one cast. she might not be perfect now, but there's room for improvement.
I'm practically quoting myself by saying it in this thread after the other, but if your case for Kelly is "there is room for improvement" it's really not much of an argument in her favor.
On February 17 2011 19:41 Deyster wrote: I hope whoever it is that's casting, is that he or she has an American accent. Cause I sometimes have a hard time understand other accents specially non-native ones.
I hope not. The American accent grates on my ears.
Do you not what TV shows or Movies or anything? Bit surprised by that statement lol
I hate American accents too just something about it that is extremely irritating, just because like every movie and TV has American actors doesn't mean I have to like it ...
Which american accent as there are about 15 different ones?
We're Australian, we lumped the American accent together, same as you lump the Australian accent together, where it slightly differs state to state.
And to al of those saying it's racist, that's just an immature statement based off buzz words to jolt false support. Theres no rascism at all in this thread.
Too many white-knights out there truly believe that this is a sexist community.
Look, I'm pretty sure the SC community would welcome a well spoken female caster with open arms if she had the personality/skill/voice to meet those credentials. I think you can see from the overall dissent that this is not the case here, plain and simple. Don't make this anymore that it needs to be, it's, I think a lot of people really enjoy the GSL and to replace Tastetosis for Code A, it needs to be Legit.
On February 18 2011 10:49 LeFroMaGe wrote: Too many white-knights out there truly believe that this is a sexist community.
Look, I'm pretty sure the SC community would welcome a well spoken female caster with open arms if she had the personality/skill/voice to meet those credentials. I think you can see from the overall dissent that this is not the case here, plain and simple. Don't make this anymore that it needs to be, it's, I think a lot of people really enjoy the GSL and to replace Tastetosis for Code A, it needs to be Legit.
This.
Not only welcome a female caster, but I'm sure 95% of TL would love a good female caster. Look at how crazy people went when there was a female at the GSL3 Open Qualifiers
On February 18 2011 10:49 LeFroMaGe wrote: Too many white-knights out there truly believe that this is a sexist community.
Look, I'm pretty sure the SC community would welcome a well spoken female caster with open arms if she had the personality/skill/voice to meet those credentials. I think you can see from the overall dissent that this is not the case here, plain and simple. Don't make this anymore that it needs to be, it's, I think a lot of people really enjoy the GSL and to replace Tastetosis for Code A, it needs to be Legit.
This.
Not only welcome a female caster, but I'm sure 95% of TL would love a good female caster. Look at how crazy people went when there was a female at the GSL3 Open Qualifiers
Female casters are very hard to find. It takes a very special woman to be able to cast SC2 and command respect from the viewers the way the Korean female casters do. Kellymilkies does not possess these qualities, in my opinion.
On February 18 2011 10:49 LeFroMaGe wrote: Too many white-knights out there truly believe that this is a sexist community.
Look, I'm pretty sure the SC community would welcome a well spoken female caster with open arms if she had the personality/skill/voice to meet those credentials. I think you can see from the overall dissent that this is not the case here, plain and simple. Don't make this anymore that it needs to be, it's, I think a lot of people really enjoy the GSL and to replace Tastetosis for Code A, it needs to be Legit.
This.
Not only welcome a female caster, but I'm sure 95% of TL would love a good female caster. Look at how crazy people went when there was a female at the GSL3 Open Qualifiers
Female casters are very hard to find. It takes a very special woman to be able to cast SC2 and command respect from the viewers the way the Korean female casters do. Kellymilkies does not possess these qualities, in my opinion.
didnt the female caster who co-cast with tasteless was basically hounded out of casting by a bunch of less-than-enlightened fans?
Moletrap is a super relaxed knowledgeable old school BW caster with great enunciation. As little trouble as I have understanding Kelly's accent . . . Moletrap is a damn good caster.
On February 18 2011 09:43 KaiserJohan wrote: I have high hopes for totalbiscuit!
As totally amazing as that would be (imo) I don't know if he'd be willing to travel over to Korea for it. If he's said different on the issue though, I will gladly stand corrected!
If TotalBiscuit got the job it would single handedly ruin Code A for me. I find his voice and the things he says about/during the game highly annoying.
Glad I'm not the only one, I don't understand why people find him so appealing. His casts are dry, the only reason it seems like people watch are to hear his British accent in his "YouTube voice".
Hopefully someone gets that.
I read a post of his somewhere, where he said I'd do more StarCraft vids but I make more money doing wow related things. That's fine, that's how he makes a living so whatever. But don't try to become a huge part of the SC community as well. I'm all for SC getting as much exposure as possible, and I'm fine with people making money (and/or) living off of it as well. But when it comes off as selfish or greedy, it disgusts me.
On February 18 2011 09:43 KaiserJohan wrote: I have high hopes for totalbiscuit!
As totally amazing as that would be (imo) I don't know if he'd be willing to travel over to Korea for it. If he's said different on the issue though, I will gladly stand corrected!
If TotalBiscuit got the job it would single handedly ruin Code A for me. I find his voice and the things he says about/during the game highly annoying.
Glad I'm not the only one, I don't understand why people find him so appealing. His casts are dry, the only reason it seems like people watch are to hear his British accent in his "YouTube voice".
Hopefully someone gets that.
I read a post of his somewhere, where he said I'd do more StarCraft vids but I make more money doing wow related things. That's fine, that's how he makes a living so whatever. But don't try to become a huge part of the SC community as well. I'm all for SC getting as much exposure as possible, and I'm fine with people making money (and/or) living off of it as well. But when it comes off as selfish or greedy, it disgusts me.
I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
1. The GSL is as much the Tastosis Show as it is an SC2 tournament, and ideally we'd like them to cast everything.
2. Point #1 is unrealistic because they were already being overworked to bits.
The correct solution, of course, was to space out the GSL over a longer period of time instead of pushing out 3-6 hours of content a day. In January, they were burning out and we were burning out, and I got the sense that the only reason the GSL survived at all was the sheer quality of the Code S matches. It's unfortunate that they already committed to a schedule for all of 2011 in advance (although even so, they would have had to hire understudies for Tasteless and Artosis eventually so the show is sustainable long-term).
By the way, if you're ever hired for something very public, this is why it's unwise to break embargo or jump the gun on an announcement that hasn't come out officially. GOM is in an unfortunate position in that if they did hire Kelly after all (which I think is likely the case), now it looks like they were ignoring the community (never mind that they've only had one day's notice to see what an uproar there would be). And if they didn't, or if they go back on the decision, it's embarrassing for them and for her.
We know GOM is willing to make some last-minute fixes when things are looking bad - recall how they brought Jason Lee in for a few extra days when they realized it was a horrible idea to schedule Jørgen/XeqtR as a solo caster for a whole wad of games. But the thing is, we should expect them to do it professionally, and if they already told Kelly she's been hired, they're definitely going to let her stay for one season.
Finally, two possible scenarios I haven't heard considered:
1. Perhaps GOM hasn't made the official announcement because they just sent their first-choice candidates their offers, and are waiting for confirmation from the first round of people they asked. It's entirely possible that they weren't ready to announce the Code A casting team last night because they weren't 100% sure who the second one was yet. It sounds like very short notice, yes, but keep in mind that according to the Twitter post, Kelly didn't purchase her plane tickets until yesterday.
2. There may be more than two people hired to cast Code A, kind of like how the substitute casters were rotated around in GSL2, so GOM can try different pairings and see what works. (This is not all that likely, because I don't think they'd expect people to fly out to Korea for a one-season trial position... but hey, people have flown to Korea just to play in open qualifiers, so stranger things have happened.)
I'm probably overthinking this, though. Count on the official announcement being exactly what we expect/dread/etc.
On February 18 2011 09:43 KaiserJohan wrote: I have high hopes for totalbiscuit!
As totally amazing as that would be (imo) I don't know if he'd be willing to travel over to Korea for it. If he's said different on the issue though, I will gladly stand corrected!
If TotalBiscuit got the job it would single handedly ruin Code A for me. I find his voice and the things he says about/during the game highly annoying.
Glad I'm not the only one, I don't understand why people find him so appealing. His casts are dry, the only reason it seems like people watch are to hear his British accent in his "YouTube voice".
Hopefully someone gets that.
I read a post of his somewhere, where he said I'd do more StarCraft vids but I make more money doing wow related things. That's fine, that's how he makes a living so whatever. But don't try to become a huge part of the SC community as well. I'm all for SC getting as much exposure as possible, and I'm fine with people making money (and/or) living off of it as well. But when it comes off as selfish or greedy, it disgusts me.
I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
Though I'm impartial on this issue, might want to point out that it was Assembly and not MLG that was the tournament involved. You wouldn't want to drag MLG into it for no reason. :D
I do hope this is a confirmation that Kelly Milkies won't be doing it, it is nothing personal at all - but I cannot understand what is being said by her when she gets excited and the action picks up - how can the GSL Code A matches be fun if I cannot follow them properly?
Its important to remember that we the community votes with our subscriptions. Simply refuse to pay for one with GSL march. I love sc2 and the gom VODs but here is how I see it.
1. favorite player is gone (Idra) 2. caster is hired whom i can't understand 3. foreigners are given auto qualify into code A (I'm sorry but haypro's I suck at zerg on a 2 rax all in rush map was pathetic showing, he does not deserve an auto qualify into code A). Especially after being told they will 99.9% chance 2rax scv all in you!!
On February 18 2011 14:40 purecarnagge wrote: Its important to remember that we the community votes with our subscriptions. Simply refuse to pay for one with GSL march. I love sc2 and the gom VODs but here is how I see it.
1. favorite player is gone (Idra) 2. caster is hired whom i can't understand 3. foreigners are given auto qualify into code A (I'm sorry but haypro's I suck at zerg on a 2 rax all in rush map was pathetic showing, he does not deserve an auto qualify into code A). Especially after being told they will 99.9% chance 2rax scv all in you!!
lol no. I'll be paying for the full premium ticket no questions asked, because I like Starcraft 2. You should take a break from it.
Like Meany people have said in the past do not direct your anger about the new caster to Kelly but to GOM and a good way to show how serious is to not buying the premium ticket just so they understand how this community feels about it. I for one will want a refund from my Mar. Season ticket and will not buy another one till they change the code A casters.
I can't fathom how you would feel so strongly about it that you will forgo the awesome VODs of this GSL (It is shaping up to be the most competitive and exciting one yet, with new maps and many foreigners).
I'm not prepared to miss out on the games and the Tastosis casting - GOM kinda has me by the short and curlies as they've only changed a portion of what I love and I refuse to miss the other parts of it...
I watch a lot of the GSL while I work so I cannot always be looking at the screen so having a caster I cannot understand is going to make this much hard, Tastosis's play by play and overall casting made it so I could easily follow a game while working even if I couldn't look at the screen for awhile.
I am pretty sad about this, but in the end - it could be worse, I will still have so much SC2 to watch for my 56 Danish Crowns (about the price of a single beer where I live!).
On February 18 2011 09:43 KaiserJohan wrote: I have high hopes for totalbiscuit!
As totally amazing as that would be (imo) I don't know if he'd be willing to travel over to Korea for it. If he's said different on the issue though, I will gladly stand corrected!
If TotalBiscuit got the job it would single handedly ruin Code A for me. I find his voice and the things he says about/during the game highly annoying.
Glad I'm not the only one, I don't understand why people find him so appealing. His casts are dry, the only reason it seems like people watch are to hear his British accent in his "YouTube voice".
Hopefully someone gets that.
I read a post of his somewhere, where he said I'd do more StarCraft vids but I make more money doing wow related things. That's fine, that's how he makes a living so whatever. But don't try to become a huge part of the SC community as well. I'm all for SC getting as much exposure as possible, and I'm fine with people making money (and/or) living off of it as well. But when it comes off as selfish or greedy, it disgusts me.
I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
Thats weird, cause he casted a bo5 showmatch Wednesday.
On February 18 2011 09:43 KaiserJohan wrote: I have high hopes for totalbiscuit!
As totally amazing as that would be (imo) I don't know if he'd be willing to travel over to Korea for it. If he's said different on the issue though, I will gladly stand corrected!
If TotalBiscuit got the job it would single handedly ruin Code A for me. I find his voice and the things he says about/during the game highly annoying.
Glad I'm not the only one, I don't understand why people find him so appealing. His casts are dry, the only reason it seems like people watch are to hear his British accent in his "YouTube voice".
Hopefully someone gets that.
I read a post of his somewhere, where he said I'd do more StarCraft vids but I make more money doing wow related things. That's fine, that's how he makes a living so whatever. But don't try to become a huge part of the SC community as well. I'm all for SC getting as much exposure as possible, and I'm fine with people making money (and/or) living off of it as well. But when it comes off as selfish or greedy, it disgusts me.
I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
Thats weird, cause he casted a bo5 showmatch Wednesday.
Firstly, TB didn't apply, he can't go to Korea now due to family reasons. Secondly, TB said he was dialing back casting, not stopping. Thirdly, it was from Assembly Winter (Finland), not MLG, and it was a miscommunication, which TB acknowledged, and he said he was dialing back for financial reasons.
We are aware that a lot of you have been anxiously waiting for our announcement about Code A casters for GSL March.
Artosis and Tasteless has requested that they would like some changes in their casting schedule. We valued their opinions and began searching for commentators and casters who would make GSL Code A a fun experience for our fans since then.
Before we tell you who the casters for Code A will be, we want you to know that a lot of consideration has been given for this decision. It is true that many talented casters/commentators applied for the position and we are truly grateful for the attention we have received.
However, due to many constraints that we were faced with including but not limited to time, geographical location, schedule conflicts and personal issues of other applicants, we could not help but choose an applicant who satisfied all the conditions and also had the talent for casting.
This announcement does not mean that the search for the best commentators/casters for GSL Code A is over. With that being said, we at GOMtv would like to let you know that we will keep on improving to better serve our customers and the community and to contribute to the further development of eSports.
For the time being, Tasteless and Artosis will take turns casting with Kelly "kellyMILKIES" Ong Xiao Wei for GSL March Code A. Kelly had a good resume and showed us that she was willing to adapt and improve as a caster.
We are doing our best to find the best and most suitable caster for GSL Code A so for the time being, please show us your support for Kelly and GSL March.
Thank you.
About Kelly:
Kelly "kellyMILKIES" Ong Xiao Wei is from Singapore. She started competitive gaming in 2005 playing CounterStrike 1.6 in both male and female teams. Kelly also plays Rockband/Guitar Hero and won several local tournaments. She played DOTA with the team PMS*Asterisk Girls and commentated with TobiWan at SMM in Singapore. Kelly has been casting and commentating for local live tournaments and WCG/ESWC/WGT qualifiers for CS1.6, WC3, and DOTA since 2006. IN SC2, she is best known for her commentary on live games, especially in the SEA/ANZ scene. She has commentated at SMM 2010, Blizzard Invitational SEA/ANZ region to name a few. Kelly has also competed in several SC2 events in Singapore. Recently, she won ESL’s SC2 Gone Female #4 tournament. She plays Zerg in StarCraft 2. Her hobbies include dancing, reading, painting, travelling, and cooking.
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
I wouldn't take him serious... He stated MLG which tells me he didn't listen to SOTG. Newguy listen before you post.
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
hmm i don't think this is the gig for tb anyway. Whether it was on purpose or not, tb pigeon holed himself as a goofy entertainment caster, kind of like a husky but with an accent and not AS ignorant/annoying but not the type to cast such a huge deal of a tournament. Maybe some day but not anytime soon.
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
Christ, you're still posting about this shit? Get over yourself, PLEASE.
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
Christ, you're still posting about this shit? Get over yourself, PLEASE.
Somehow this is my fault, according to random crazy guys on the internet.
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
Christ, you're still posting about this shit? Get over yourself, PLEASE.
Somehow this is my fault, according to random crazy guys on the internet.
Dont worry biscuit. This guy is an obvious troll who has no repect for anyone. He clearly made an account just to troll. Just ignore them, everyone loves you:D
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
Christ, you're still posting about this shit? Get over yourself, PLEASE.
You have made 5 posts in about 10 months and this made you react? Fan of incontrol?
I assume most of you already read this but still here it goes the offcial GomTV announcement:
"We are doing our best to find the best and most suitable caster for GSL Code A so for the time being, please show us your support for Kelly and GSL March," vows GOMTV.
Ong Xiao Wei will for the March edition cast alongside Dan "Artosis" Stemkoski and Nick "Tasteless" Plott who will take turns casting.
In an interview with ESFIWorld.com, the new GOMTV caster replies to the critique she received regarding her "thick accent" and "weak game sense".
- "I have seen some of the things people have said, some of them are just overly critical and outright aggressive, while others have some criticisms that I will take into regards for sure. People have to understand I am not trying to take Tastosis away from them, they are really overworked at the moment, they have a lot to cast - Code S, GSTL. They are only supermen up to a point of time," she said.
- "I think the biggest point when it comes to having an accent is if people are open enough to accept it. My buddy Rotterdam has a pretty thick accent but he is well loved by the community so most people do not have a problem with him. I hope the community will come to love and accept me and I will work very hard on earning that," she said."
I don't think Rotterdam's accent is anyone near as thick or hard to understand as hers. Just my opinion, I'll withhold further judgment until I hear her cast some Code-A games.
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
Christ, you're still posting about this shit? Get over yourself, PLEASE.
Somehow this is my fault, according to random crazy guys on the internet.
Dont worry biscuit. This guy is an obvious troll who has no repect for anyone. He clearly made an account just to troll. Just ignore them, everyone loves you:D
i think rotterdam's accent aint that bad.. but he's just an annoying douchebag that i don't want to listen too.. and that says something considering i'm dutch.. Kelly hasn't got the worst gamesense.. but i would have preferred torch as an extra caster instead of her. but her résumé is impressive so i think thats why she has been chosen over an inexperienced one. hope she evolves into a great caster and else my 10 bucks will be spend on watching just code S and the foreigners in code A muted.
edit: i would have liked to see totalbiscuit as a caster in the gsl.. but if incontroll reads this í'm afraid i'll get banned
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
Christ, you're still posting about this shit? Get over yourself, PLEASE.
Somehow this is my fault, according to random crazy guys on the internet.
Dont worry biscuit. This guy is an obvious troll who has no repect for anyone. He clearly made an account just to troll. Just ignore them, everyone loves you:D
Why are you lying to him?
Okay, most people love him.
asshole pricks dont; and im sure he doesn't mind that.
Can we not have this TB discussion again please. I don't know why people take everything said on SoTG as if it is written in stone but most people know it's obviously not all true(hopefully).
TB has a lot of subscribers and a lot of people like him, enjoy listening to him and there's bound to be a few people here and there hating on him when you become so popular. He already cleared up what was said on Sotg and that's all there's to it really.
Anyway, on topic. I feel slightly disappointed she actually is the new English caster but that's just personal preference. I'll still watch when Tastosis is commentating and can just mute the stream if anyone notable is playing while she's commentating so it's not a huge deal. Congratulations to her anyways, I suppose!
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
Christ, you're still posting about this shit? Get over yourself, PLEASE.
Somehow this is my fault, according to random crazy guys on the internet.
Dont worry biscuit. This guy is an obvious troll who has no repect for anyone. He clearly made an account just to troll. Just ignore them, everyone loves you:D
Why are you lying to him?
Okay, most people love him.
asshole pricks dont; and im sure he doesn't mind that.
On February 18 2011 12:28 Newguy wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't be Totalbiscuit, as, if you listened to the last state of the game, he quit casting starcraft 2 because MLG wouldn't let him restream their official stream with his own commentary and take their viewers.
And people actually think stuff said on SOTG isn't taken seriously by people *facepalm*
Christ, you're still posting about this shit? Get over yourself, PLEASE.
Somehow this is my fault, according to random crazy guys on the internet.
Dont worry biscuit. This guy is an obvious troll who has no repect for anyone. He clearly made an account just to troll. Just ignore them, everyone loves you:D
Why are you lying to him?
Okay, most people love him.
asshole pricks dont; and im sure he doesn't mind that.
All the attitude about this woman casting strikes me as petty xenophobia...and that's being generous. Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the collective reaction of a community I normally respect.
On February 19 2011 06:59 CarlyZerg wrote: All the attitude about this woman casting strikes me as petty xenophobia...and that's being generous. Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the collective reaction of a community I normally respect.
I honestly don't understand comments like this. OBVIOUSLY there's gonna be things said about her voice/accent since as a commentator that is the most important skill you need to have.
She just doesn't have a nice voice to listen to. I feel the same way about many youtube casters. It's not just because she's foreign.
On February 19 2011 06:59 CarlyZerg wrote: All the attitude about this woman casting strikes me as petty xenophobia...and that's being generous. Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the collective reaction of a community I normally respect.
I don't think it's because she is a woman or from whatever country that people dislike her casting. It's because her voice is annoying and unpleasant to listen to, if she is going to cast code A I probably won't watch the games, atleast not with sound on.
On February 19 2011 06:59 CarlyZerg wrote: All the attitude about this woman casting strikes me as petty xenophobia...and that's being generous. Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the collective reaction of a community I normally respect.
You guys should seriously stop trying to justify other people's opinions with xenophobia or misogyny. The issues with her casting have been discussed to death already, just read them.
On February 18 2011 10:11 Space Invader wrote: I'm not sure who's more racist, the people in this thread or the people who moved their children out of school because black kids were moving in.
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I'm not sure where racism would come in from being as we are all talking about her voice and not being able to understand her...
ps
99% of the people here more than likely subscribe to GOM which is full of koreans... that makes sense.
On February 19 2011 06:59 CarlyZerg wrote: All the attitude about this woman casting strikes me as petty xenophobia...and that's being generous. Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the collective reaction of a community I normally respect.
Petty xenophobia? I think you need to find your dictionary and look up the meaning of the word. I think a lot of people are complaining because they know her style and dislike it... they aren't complaining because they fear what she might do as an unknown element.
My opinion on Kelly is not about her not having american accent (and most certainly not about her gender!), it is just that her general grasp of english does not feel sufficient for the task.
It is probably something she can improve a lot on with practise, but the GSL stream is not the correct arena to practise language.
Edit: I am really happy that GOMTV gets more casters though, tastosis performance suffered badly when casting 10 games a day, as you would expect. 5 matches on a day, 5 days a week is a huge effort in itself.
On February 19 2011 06:59 CarlyZerg wrote: All the attitude about this woman casting strikes me as petty xenophobia...and that's being generous. Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the collective reaction of a community I normally respect.
I've been lurking these forums pretty much every day since Starcraft 2 came out, and i just signed up so that i could tell you that i despise people who thinks like you do. Basically you're saying that:
If you don't like this girl = You're racist/xenophobic
Where's the pages and pages of concerns over the two asians who commented while tastosis were off to Blizzcon? Those two were fucking great commentators, especially compared to this chick. I liked them, and i would cry tears of joy if they chose any/or both of them over her. The worst thing is that this tactics actually works, people actually get scared of speaking their mind over someones flaws when you accuse them of being racist, and you get what you want. Did it ever occur to you that people simply do not want her to cast the GSL because her accent wants me to tear out my fucking eardrums? If you actually believe the things you just posted, then you should contact the nearest psychiatric hospital and tell them that you've got something called a paranoid personality disorder - they'll help you out.
On February 19 2011 06:59 CarlyZerg wrote: All the attitude about this woman casting strikes me as petty xenophobia...and that's being generous. Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the collective reaction of a community I normally respect.
Ironically, by playing the race-card without fully comprehending the complaints, you've brought the thread down even lower.
On February 19 2011 06:59 CarlyZerg wrote: All the attitude about this woman casting strikes me as petty xenophobia...and that's being generous. Honestly I'm pretty disgusted by the collective reaction of a community I normally respect.
Ironically, by playing the race-card without fully comprehending the complaints, you've brought the thread down even lower.
What are you talking about. It is obvious that everyone who complains about this women is racist and sexist. Look at this page called team liquid. Everyone hating on the korean pro-scene. For every major event or tournament in the korean broodwar or sc2-scene there is a thread for bashing them and and arguing why they are the worst players and people in the world. They even have a power ranking of the koreans they hate the most. Everyone in the strategy forum and on the general forum bashes the korean sc2 ladder and calls them trash saying that everyone outside korea is way superior. Dont you see what happens anytime a korean pro is invited to an international tournament. There is basicly an outrage. Could you imagine what would happen if someone like FlaSh who was leading the power-rank of most hated players here on tl would be chosen for something like that. There would be so much hate, just because he is korean. Havent you read what the people on this page are doing to this poor girl called Tossgirl. Noone likes her, just because she is a korean and even worse ... a girl. Come on man look around. And if someone actually likes those players the mod make damn sure those people get banned asap. The worst part though is, that this site is international. So many people from so many countries. Dont you see the many faction for every country ...all bashing on each other and stuff for beeing different?
Now reverse what i said and you have the real team liquid community. An international website dedicated to starcraft 1 and starcraft 2 which is basicly a place to pray to our bw and sc2 heroes no matter where they are from or which gender they might have. So you are damn right that using the race or gender card on this homepage is one of the most ****** things i can imagine. I hope i dont have to point out which one of those two parts is the sarcastic one.
We're not. I however, require a caster the can speak English well, and I don't have total faith in her.
That is what i am trying to say. People have legitimate concerns. Talking about racism and sexism in a community like this is just plain *****. That is the furthest away you can get from the truth.
EPT
not that ive ever heared a caster speaking like that ~
