• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:28
CEST 08:28
KST 15:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners1Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection6Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June2Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th151Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Douyu Cup 2026 GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW fans in southern Sweden, look here! 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 BW General Discussion BW animated web series: seeking contributors
Tourneys
[BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST [ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread PC Games Sales Thread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8641 users

IdrA withdrawing from GSL March, returns to US - Page 19

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 23 Next All
XDsCrazy
Profile Joined February 2003
Canada119 Posts
February 16 2011 21:16 GMT
#361
Lots of you guys act like if Korea will be the place to be for esport FOREVER !
Why cant a similar scene devellop in NA/Europe ? Its really possible and it will result in players with the same skills as the Korean.

Just take that move as an opportunity to esport out of korea to grow and catch up !
G-_-L
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
February 16 2011 21:20 GMT
#362
I'm.. concerned. The way this went.. it feels like something bad happened..

Free wins? I can't imagine those being given out very easily.

That said, the Gracken is going to absolutely tear some foreigner noobies apart.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
okrane
Profile Joined April 2010
France265 Posts
February 16 2011 21:22 GMT
#363
On February 17 2011 06:16 XDsCrazy wrote:
Lots of you guys act like if Korea will be the place to be for esport FOREVER !
Why cant a similar scene devellop in NA/Europe ? Its really possible and it will result in players with the same skills as the Korean.

Just take that move as an opportunity to esport out of korea to grow and catch up !


Well its is the best place for E-sports because of the culture that embraces e-sports and supports it and not considers it to be some sort of weird teen unhealthy obsession...

as well as the fact that from what I've learned about the Korean culture, they are extremely dedicated to their work and are able to put countless of hours into practice and improving their skill. This can only mean that the skill level will always be higher than in NA.
Really disappointed with Starcraft II Zerg! :(
Thezzphai
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1145 Posts
February 16 2011 23:19 GMT
#364
I'm a sad panda now was looking forward to his games vs Zenio and Clide...
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
February 16 2011 23:23 GMT
#365
On February 17 2011 08:19 Thezzphai wrote:
I'm a sad panda now was looking forward to his games vs Zenio and Clide...

Same but Idra still wins Troll of the year for his move of picking groups
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
February 17 2011 02:26 GMT
#366
While I understand his decision, I have to say as a fan I'm a little disappointed.

My favorite part of GSL was watching this angry white dude go up against the toughest competition in the world on a regular basis.

He's not going to be the underdog anymore.

Anyway, his decision to capitalize on his talent as the North American scene grows and emerges makes a lot a sense; good on him.

CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
February 17 2011 02:31 GMT
#367
I wonder if he would have a different mindset if he was taking GSL titles currently.

Can't deny that there's no place like home and I look forward to seeing him in the USA again.

gL!
~ The Ultimate Weapon
Hypatio
Profile Joined September 2010
549 Posts
February 17 2011 02:37 GMT
#368
I hope the Gracken will still return to Korea every now and then to compete with the best over there still.
Jerax
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada189 Posts
February 17 2011 02:48 GMT
#369
Feels like a matter of easy money for Idra, he'll tear up IEM and MLG with ease. More of a business decision than anything imo.
RESTRiCT
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada123 Posts
February 17 2011 02:50 GMT
#370
NASL.TV <3 its happening, all the evidence is here..

SO PUMPED
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
February 17 2011 02:51 GMT
#371
I'm happy, the grack can help us make the esports scene in america grow! Hopefully become equal if not greater than what korea has now.
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
February 17 2011 02:52 GMT
#372
is the gracken's arrive in USA somehow tied with incontrol's top secret cock tease announcement of announcements? :0
~\(。◕‿‿◕。)/~,,,,,,,,>
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
February 17 2011 02:53 GMT
#373
The news that Incontrol is holding back must be big if Idra is coming too
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
February 17 2011 02:56 GMT
#374
i think the very top-heavy prize money distribution of the gsl is really making it an unattractive choice compared to all the small and midsized tournaments going on in NA/EU.

even the best player in the world cant expect to make it to the code S finals on a regular basis; every 3rd season is probably the highest any player can reasonably expect.

but maybe his decision does not only have to do with opportunities to earn money but also with personal reasons. maybe he was finally starting to get sick of sitting in his lonely appartment grinding games on the ladder without too many online friends or practice partners day in day out.... the liquid guys have each other aswell as the ogs guys and the ogs guys´ friends to practice and discuss - but who does idra have? the EG house didnt make it into reality and most koreans hate him and dont want to practice with him. ret and artosis wont have too much time for him and what about T or P practice partners? it must have been an extremely lonely time for him, being isolated not only in rl but also online.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Clare
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States372 Posts
February 17 2011 02:57 GMT
#375
On February 17 2011 11:53 darklordjac wrote:
The news that Incontrol is holding back must be big if Idra is coming too


Yeah, I agree. If IdrA is going to leave Korea and Code S it's gotta be for something big.
The dashboard melted but we still had the radio.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-17 02:59:26
February 17 2011 02:57 GMT
#376
On February 17 2011 11:31 cca1ss1e wrote:
I wonder if he would have a different mindset if he was taking GSL titles currently.


I'm 100% positive that he would still be staying there. At the end of the day, it's all about the dough. This new NA league that will spring up probably won't have the same level of prizes throughout the year as the GSL (I highly doubt that they can rival the 1.5 million total USD the GSL has this year), but the competition will be much weaker at the top. IdrA obviously has a much bigger chance of making more money in that environment. If there is one thing to blame, it's the top-heavy prize structure of the GSL code S, and the lack of other secondary tournaments in Korea.

It is also an intelligent decision, because it doesn't seem like SC2 is going to take off in Korea any time soon. BW still commands 80-90% of the corporate sponsorships, and that's where the real money is.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
February 17 2011 03:05 GMT
#377
On February 17 2011 11:56 Black Gun wrote:
i think the very top-heavy prize money distribution of the gsl is really making it an unattractive choice compared to all the small and midsized tournaments going on in NA/EU.

even the best player in the world cant expect to make it to the code S finals on a regular basis; every 3rd season is probably the highest any player can reasonably expect.

but maybe his decision does not only have to do with opportunities to earn money but also with personal reasons. maybe he was finally starting to get sick of sitting in his lonely appartment grinding games on the ladder without too many online friends or practice partners day in day out.... the liquid guys have each other aswell as the ogs guys and the ogs guys´ friends to practice and discuss - but who does idra have? the EG house didnt make it into reality and most koreans hate him and dont want to practice with him. ret and artosis wont have too much time for him and what about T or P practice partners? it must have been an extremely lonely time for him, being isolated not only in rl but also online.


I'll refrain about imagining another guy's personal life.

The actual distribution of money in the GSL seems fine. It's the commitment and length of the seasons are that severely limit players options. Not to mention how long players have to wait to just qualify.

If the GSL massaged their schedule so players had time to play in multiple tournaments (either spread the season out longer or make the tournaments faster) than it would be less of an issue. If they just wrapped up the Code A and Up and Down tournaments in a couple of weekends, it would probably give players the option of flying in to compete versus having to sacrifice their whole life just for a shot at Code S.


Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
February 17 2011 03:34 GMT
#378
1. People are giving IdrA way too much credit. NO he wont steamroll any tournament at all, be realistic. Yes he's been to Korea, but this doesnt make him some sort of fucking demigod. THere are ALOT of good non korean player who could easily place good in the GSL.

2. Why is everyone assuming this is about money? Everyone isnt a greedy bitch, some people do things for other reasons.

3. People saying they will stop watching the GSL because ONE FUCKING PLAYER is leaving cant be a real SC fan.. GSL has by FAR the overall best quality of games still. No it's not at BW level YET. But neither is the EU/US scene. Korea is still number one, and dissing that due to ONE player leaving is just ridicilous. PLayers like MVP, MC, Marineking etc by far exceed any foreign player atm.
Official Fan of; Obama oGs.MC // God of War ST.JulyZerg // d.Naniwa // ST.Squirtle // SlayerS_Alicia // Emperor SlayerS_BoxeR // EG.HuK // White-Ra // MarineKing.Prime.WE // oGs.NaDa's Body // SlayerS.MMA // MvP.DongRaeGu
drcatellino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada346 Posts
February 17 2011 04:08 GMT
#379
Well time for TeamLiquid to change the time zone from that gimmicky Korean Standard Time to GST since America is the new Korea.
quote unquote
ryan1894
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia264 Posts
February 17 2011 04:17 GMT
#380
On February 17 2011 12:34 Rylaji wrote:
1. People are giving IdrA way too much credit. NO he wont steamroll any tournament at all, be realistic. Yes he's been to Korea, but this doesnt make him some sort of fucking demigod. THere are ALOT of good non korean player who could easily place good in the GSL.

2. Why is everyone assuming this is about money? Everyone isnt a greedy bitch, some people do things for other reasons.

3. People saying they will stop watching the GSL because ONE FUCKING PLAYER is leaving cant be a real SC fan.. GSL has by FAR the overall best quality of games still. No it's not at BW level YET. But neither is the EU/US scene. Korea is still number one, and dissing that due to ONE player leaving is just ridicilous. PLayers like MVP, MC, Marineking etc by far exceed any foreign player atm.


1. IdrA is the most successful foreign player yet.

3. GSL and Korea also have the most amount of 1 base timing pushes/all ins of all the servers.
Prev 1 17 18 19 20 21 23 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 32m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 177
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4145
GuemChi 3541
BeSt 349
Pusan 116
Mind 45
sorry 34
sSak 27
Bale 12
Nal_rA 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
[ Show more ]
Icarus 5
ZergMaN 5
Dota 2
monkeys_forever387
NeuroSwarm118
League of Legends
JimRising 702
ProTech74
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King214
Other Games
summit1g8645
PiGStarcraft895
WinterStarcraft467
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick879
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt1252
• Rush1178
• Lourlo1057
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
3h 32m
Maestros of the Game
8h 32m
Serral vs Rogue
herO vs SHIN
OSC
16h 2m
Replay Cast
17h 32m
OSC
1d 6h
Maestros of the Game
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2 days
eOnzErG vs Mihu
Messiah vs XuanXuan
Jaystar vs TerrOr
Dewalt vs Bonyth
eOnzErG vs XuanXuan
Mihu vs TerrOr
Messiah vs Bonyth
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
3 days
Jaystar vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs TerrOr
XuanXuan vs Bonyth
Mihu vs Dewalt
Messiah vs Jaystar
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
TerrOr vs Dewalt
OSC
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 22
2026 GSL S2
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
Acropolis #4 - GSB
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.