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On January 19 2011 02:58 CursedFeanor wrote:
I'm not saying these other players are not good, I'm just saying from my unbiased opinion that HuK is better. I believe the next couple of months will certainly prove me right, so just wait and see!
Why you can't be truly unbiased:
1. if you've watched HuK's stream, you probably have an attachment to his play (conscious or unconscious), having watched it more. you probably have not watched all code S protoss players equally (a small number of televised games filled with pressure does not mean much). Only when you have, could you inch closer to the state of being able to say you're unbiased.
2. Because you understand the language huk speaks and posts in, you might have some sort of attachment to his character. you have have little to no such attachment to the koreans, because all of your exposure to them is translated
3. you haven't been able to watch HuK in korean qualifiers much, you don't know if his losses were due to his opponent being better or choking, or a combination of both. the ability to play under high pressure is integral to playing in the GSL, and you have little way of evaluating this aspect of huk
I fully agree that HuK deserves to be in code A. However, any claims of unbiasedness by anyone in the subject are false. Human psychology does not allow truly "unbiased" evaluation of subjective things such as a gameplay, and I argue that there is no such thing. Sorry.
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On January 19 2011 08:48 primarch359 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2011 15:12 Kimaker wrote:
NOTE: As has been pointed out, Tyler and White-ra are married,
Am I the only one that read this as them married to each other?
I did.
My vote for Brat-HuK!
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On January 19 2011 23:22 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 08:48 primarch359 wrote:On January 06 2011 15:12 Kimaker wrote:
NOTE: As has been pointed out, Tyler and White-ra are married,
Am I the only one that read this as them married to each other? I did. My vote for Brat-HuK!
I ship KiWiHuKi
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KiWiKaKi, Naniwa, HuK, White Ra (I'm not saying this because I'm a toss player, I'm saying this because in my OP these are the best 4)
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On January 06 2011 15:25 baeracaed wrote:
Huk
SjoW
BRAT_OK
MorroW
This, except that i would place Brat_Ok at the top.
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Morrow
Kiwikaki
Incontrol
Huk
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On January 19 2011 23:05 RHMVNovus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 03:34 urdak wrote:On January 19 2011 02:58 CursedFeanor wrote:
I'm not saying these other players are not good, I'm just saying from my unbiased opinion that HuK is better. CursedFeanor Canada clearly unbiased.. Everyone's hyper-nationalist. No exceptions. Every single person in the world has a tribalist loyalty to the plot of land they live in and refuse to accept that there are places outside that plot of land that might be better at anything ever. By the way, we've always been at war with Eastasia.
Rofl, you've obviously never met any Belgians :p
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HuK
White-Ra
SeN
Naniwa
These are the people who I believe will have the most success, either through skill or sheer will of power to practice themselves silly. There are of course a ton missing here: Hayder, Morrow, Naama, Socke, Mana, Catz, KiWi, Slardar, etc etc.
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On January 19 2011 10:25 Rokk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 02:58 CursedFeanor wrote:On January 19 2011 02:06 FakePlasticLove wrote:On January 19 2011 02:04 CursedFeanor wrote:On January 19 2011 02:00 r3clay wrote:
huk is protoss he won't win.. lets invite 4 terrans.. than we might stand a chance yeah it's been proven that protoss can't win GSL.. oh wait... right... HuK is the #2 protoss in the world right there besides MC, no question about that! There is absolutely no way he can't make it to code S very soon. The guy that couldn't qualify for GSL #3 is the 2nd protoss in the world over 8 other S-ranked Toss Players? Exactly. He is a better player then the other code S protoss. And if you think the mere fact that they are in code S at the moment automatically makes them better players, I believe you just need to learn how to evaluate players properly. I'm not saying these other players are not good, I'm just saying from my unbiased opinion that HuK is better. I believe the next couple of months will certainly prove me right, so just wait and see! I'll take Genius's performance in several tournaments over Huk's one MLG victory. He's good, but he's no where near the second best protoss. What makes your opinion unbiased exactly?
I don't think you've seen any of huks games. Try watching any other stream (sen, ret, idra, tlo, root guys) and there is simply no comparison. Huk is definitely top 3 protoss in the world with mc and genius. He is constantly beating all of the guys in S class pretty convincingly. He uses a variety of strategies and is damn near perfect in his execution. His harassment with zealot and stalker against terran is outstanding (his best matchup) and his pvp is spot on (when he doesn't do FE or 1 gate robo which he stopped recently since it's impossible to hold against 4 gate). He has won an mlg like jinro, but if you compare the performance of the two players since getting to korea, huk has improved more drastically than jinro. Watch huk play 1-2 games then try switching to any other game of any other player and you will see the difference, it's very obvious.
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On January 20 2011 02:42 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2011 10:25 Rokk wrote:On January 19 2011 02:58 CursedFeanor wrote:On January 19 2011 02:06 FakePlasticLove wrote:On January 19 2011 02:04 CursedFeanor wrote:On January 19 2011 02:00 r3clay wrote:
huk is protoss he won't win.. lets invite 4 terrans.. than we might stand a chance yeah it's been proven that protoss can't win GSL.. oh wait... right... HuK is the #2 protoss in the world right there besides MC, no question about that! There is absolutely no way he can't make it to code S very soon. The guy that couldn't qualify for GSL #3 is the 2nd protoss in the world over 8 other S-ranked Toss Players? Exactly. He is a better player then the other code S protoss. And if you think the mere fact that they are in code S at the moment automatically makes them better players, I believe you just need to learn how to evaluate players properly. I'm not saying these other players are not good, I'm just saying from my unbiased opinion that HuK is better. I believe the next couple of months will certainly prove me right, so just wait and see! I'll take Genius's performance in several tournaments over Huk's one MLG victory. He's good, but he's no where near the second best protoss. What makes your opinion unbiased exactly? I don't think you've seen any of huks games. Try watching any other stream (sen, ret, idra, tlo, root guys) and there is simply no comparison. Huk is definitely top 3 protoss in the world with mc and genius. He is constantly beating all of the guys in S class pretty convincingly. He uses a variety of strategies and is damn near perfect in his execution. His harassment with zealot and stalker against terran is outstanding (his best matchup) and his pvp is spot on (when he doesn't do FE or 1 gate robo which he stopped recently since it's impossible to hold against 4 gate). He has won an mlg like jinro, but if you compare the performance of the two players since getting to korea, huk has improved more drastically than jinro. Watch huk play 1-2 games then try switching to any other game of any other player and you will see the difference, it's very obvious.
I think you're exaggerating a lot. Yes, HuK has improved a lot, I watch his stream from time to time, I've seen it. However he's nowhere near MC, Tester and Genius, I'd say he'd probably do well in Code A, maybe top 10 protoss on korean ladder, but nowhere top 3. In comparison to HuK, Jinro's play is a lot more polished, looks cleaner and more practiced, and even if he makes some silly early game mistakes and thus prefers long macro games, his playstyle has been adapting to metagame needs.
I think huk will get his chance, and if it's not through this gomtv selection, it will be through normal qualification matches. Given that HuK has this possibility (since he's already at korea) I think this chance should be reserved for players residing outside korea, thus strengthening foreigner play in korea.
Because of this, I'd pick the following for an invite, excluding players who've stated they don't want to travel:
-BratOK (Great player, I think his style would do well, plus, apparently he's available)
-Naniwa (Good player, and he's stated he'd like to go)
-Kiwikaki (Fun, exciting player to watch with innovative strategies, he'd gain a quick following in korea)
-Kas (Insane terran play, maybe the best EU terran right now)
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Naniwa
Kas
Mana
Socke
Naama
Qxc
Kiwikaki
Incontrol
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He has won an mlg like jinro, but if you compare the performance of the two players since getting to korea, huk has improved more drastically than jinro. Watch huk play 1-2 games then try switching to any other game of any other player and you will see the difference, it's very obvious.
Is this guy serious ? Jinro lost 4-0 to MC in the final 4 of the GSL 3 , do you know what he did to him this time around? 2-0... that is improving , improving is not going good on the ladder , Choya even played coin flips in the ladder,comon...
Jinro is like the number 3 terran or 2 terran in the world , with GSL and MLG resumé... 2 GSL final four? man do you really think HuK is that good? you can say hes good but you have to clean your mouth if you say he is better than Jinro right now .. Support Jinro man , he is inspiring lots of players.. he deserves the fame and support from the community for being a nice guy with talent and will to suceed!
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Naama - Because he's rock solid and I have a feeling his timing pushes would fair well vs koreans. He just has such sick precision in all his execution.
White-Ra - He was always good in starcraft. He's always going to be good at starcraft 2. He has a wife so I don't know how realistic it is but the guy is spending most of his time playing starcraft as it is, so.
Kiwikaki - Creative like huk, but with overall better star sense and execution. As long as he doesn't get too weird with his builds I would consider him very solid.
Morrow - Morrow because I believe the kid to have enormous potential, but I trust he will succeed in starcraft II one way or another anyway so whether you invite him or not makes little difference. ^^
Those would be my picks.
Then there's Brat_ok, Socke,Tarson, Sjow (him especially because who knows what this guy could achieve if he didn't have to click the siege and PDD with his mouse), Mana, Naniwa, Sen. All of them could perform well in GSL.
Oh and I'm going to cry if they end up inviting 4/4 americans like inferior EG members just because TL has such a large american demographic. T_T
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Funny how incontrol has like a hundred times more votes than morrow, with hardly any achievements.
I guess we're not really looking to send a talented player with potential and achievements to show for it, but rather a very likeable guy who we'd like to have a beer and some pizza with.
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On January 20 2011 03:48 hifriend wrote:Funny how incontrol has like a hundred times more votes than morrow, with hardly any achievements. I guess we're not really looking to send a talented player with potential and achievements to show for it, but rather a very likeable guy who we'd like to have a beer and some pizza with.
Might be because morrow has stated he doesn't want to go to korea, thus discouraging people from voting for him, he's well liked so popularity shouldn't be an issue in his case.
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On January 20 2011 03:48 hifriend wrote:Funny how incontrol has like a hundred times more votes than morrow, with hardly any achievements. I guess we're not really looking to send a talented player with potential and achievements to show for it, but rather a very likeable guy who we'd like to have a beer and some pizza with.
I have to agree. There is no reason to send InControl there, only for EG's publicity i guess.
On the other side, MorroW is still not over with his education, so he might be in Tyler's position, unable or not willing to go to Korea even if invited.
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On January 06 2011 15:11 ThePimpImp wrote:
HuK, ROOTDrewbie, ROOTqxc, Select
I would second these choices. They may be personal preference, and not opinions from a top level player, but those 4 are the guys I would love to see play the top GSL people.
Actually, I'd even throw in Destiny, if for no reason other than to see how it went...
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On January 20 2011 04:02 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 03:48 hifriend wrote:Funny how incontrol has like a hundred times more votes than morrow, with hardly any achievements. I guess we're not really looking to send a talented player with potential and achievements to show for it, but rather a very likeable guy who we'd like to have a beer and some pizza with. Might be because morrow has stated he doesn't want to go to korea, thus discouraging people from voting for him, he's well liked so popularity shouldn't be an issue in his case.
On January 20 2011 04:12 s.a.y wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 03:48 hifriend wrote:Funny how incontrol has like a hundred times more votes than morrow, with hardly any achievements. I guess we're not really looking to send a talented player with potential and achievements to show for it, but rather a very likeable guy who we'd like to have a beer and some pizza with. I have to agree. There is no reason to send InControl there, only for EG's publicity i guess. On the other side, MorroW is still not over with his education, so he might be in Tyler's position, unable or not willing to go to Korea even if invited.
Don't get me wrong, I pretty much just pulled morrow out of the blue. I can think of a whole bunch of other players that hardly get mentioned in this thread yet have performed ridiculously well in tourny after tourny as compared to incontrol.
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I dont know if you guys ever heard of them, but NrGvibe and NrGdde are really good players and they are dominating US scene now a days. dde won last 5 tournament in US. And his mech play is epic. I am sure he will put some color in GSL. vibe is APM kind, never goes below 300apm and hebeat some good players in clan wars against EG. They were down 2-0, vibe and dde saved the day.
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On January 20 2011 04:24 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 04:02 mordk wrote:On January 20 2011 03:48 hifriend wrote:Funny how incontrol has like a hundred times more votes than morrow, with hardly any achievements. I guess we're not really looking to send a talented player with potential and achievements to show for it, but rather a very likeable guy who we'd like to have a beer and some pizza with. Might be because morrow has stated he doesn't want to go to korea, thus discouraging people from voting for him, he's well liked so popularity shouldn't be an issue in his case. Show nested quote +On January 20 2011 04:12 s.a.y wrote:On January 20 2011 03:48 hifriend wrote:Funny how incontrol has like a hundred times more votes than morrow, with hardly any achievements. I guess we're not really looking to send a talented player with potential and achievements to show for it, but rather a very likeable guy who we'd like to have a beer and some pizza with. I have to agree. There is no reason to send InControl there, only for EG's publicity i guess. On the other side, MorroW is still not over with his education, so he might be in Tyler's position, unable or not willing to go to Korea even if invited. Don't get me wrong, I pretty much just pulled morrow out of the blue. I can think of a whole bunch of other players that hardly get mentioned in this thread yet have performed ridiculously well in tourny after tourny as compared to incontrol.
I would go ahead and state that incontrol played well in GSL qualifiers before, and I'm sure he will play through the qualifiers due to his availability.
Now since you are in Sweden and Europe has a completely different scene than North America, it is fair to say that we can both give player names that are good but not known in the other scene.
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