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On December 21 2010 05:32 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 05:24 Erandorr wrote:
whoa if there are more than 600,000 viewers sc2 cant be that big compared to other games or am i mistaken there? Because , if you look at the Eg masters cup, there were around 10k on wheats channel . Of course MLG has a far bigger audience but Starcraft seems not to be the main focus of MLG.
Where the hell do the 600k viewers come from? According to SirScoots on a recent LiveOnThree, Starcraft 2 was the most popular game on MLG this fall.
I haven't seen statistics, but this would be my suspicion. Halo has alot of history in MLG, they are the most established platform, but does anyone seriously believe that 100,000 nubby rageful xbox kiddies leave the safety of their glowing televisions to use the internet to watch competitions? How does Halo even form a coherant community? You can't link your friends to the MLG website in game in halo, let alone any other halo related website. Maby there are ingame adds for MLG in halo? But even then I think it's a stretch that most players would give a crap, plus, blizzard could start doing that too if one of the competitive companies grew to the point they could afford to buy a little bit of advertising space on battle-net, especially if blizzard gives them preferential treatment (which I think they damn should)
I would be surprised if starcraft 2 competition wasn't, in terms of viewer numbers, the biggest competitive gaming scene in the world right now. I don't even play any more, but I keep up to date with the competitive scene as if this game were hockey.
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On December 21 2010 05:24 Erandorr wrote:
whoa if there are more than 600,000 viewers sc2 cant be that big compared to other games or am i mistaken there? Because , if you look at the Eg masters cup, there were around 10k on wheats channel . Of course MLG has a far bigger audience but Starcraft seems not to be the main focus of MLG.
Where the hell do the 600k viewers come from?
EG Masters Cup peak viewers was 10k (or more, I don't know the exact) which means the unique viewers are significantly higher. Peak viewers is not total viewers. Add in that MLG is considered a more prestigious event and is at a live location over 3 days plus the other games they run, and the 600,000 viewers is not so strange.
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On December 21 2010 05:27 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 05:25 Looky wrote:On December 21 2010 05:24 Erandorr wrote:
whoa if there are more than 600,000 viewers sc2 cant be that big compared to other games or am i mistaken there? Because , if you look at the Eg masters cup, there were around 10k on wheats channel . Of course MLG has a far bigger audience but Starcraft seems not to be the main focus of MLG.
Where the hell do the 600k viewers come from? halo Yeah thats what i figured, so maaybe us sc2 fans should accept that Halo players will get more money than the sc2 pros . Its not about the better game its about the amount of fans
When you actually take into account halo is 4v4 and SC2 is 1v1 the prize pools are always gonna look stupid, even if they weren't
100k for 1st prize in halo at Dallas
6k for 1st in sc2 at Dallas
now imagine that next season its....
100k for halo
20k for sc2
now the halo players only get 25k each and the sc2 winner gets 20k.... when you look at it that way its not so bad.
And since halo was a proven entity at MLG and SC2 was making its debut we should expect to see the gap between them reduce in 2011.
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Good for MLG, glad to see some proper funding. I enjoyed my time at MLG Dallas and most of my complaints (seating, etc) could be solved with a few more dollars. Hope that they ration out some for SC2 instead of Halo.
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On December 21 2010 05:56 Stoids wrote:
Good for MLG, glad to see some proper funding. I enjoyed my time at MLG Dallas and most of my complaints (seating, etc) could be solved with a few more dollars. Hope that they ration out some for SC2 instead of Halo.
they already had over 40million to work with over the years, this is just another 10million..... ;p
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2010 was an extremely exciting year for eSports. 2011 is shaping up to raise the bar even more.
I really hope that I have the opportunity to attend an MLG or two this upcoming year. Their production value has been getting better and better, and I always feel like I'm missing out when I have to watch from home. I can only imagine how sick these events are going to be next year.
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On December 21 2010 05:57 emythrel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 05:56 Stoids wrote:
Good for MLG, glad to see some proper funding. I enjoyed my time at MLG Dallas and most of my complaints (seating, etc) could be solved with a few more dollars. Hope that they ration out some for SC2 instead of Halo. they already had over 40million to work with over the years, this is just another 10million..... ;p
10mil is 25% of what they had before. That's a pretty significant increase no matter how you look at it. They should at least be able to improve spectating quality a little bit.
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hopefully none of those console players get any of that. idc about wow cuz its on pc, but no consoles!
gogo sc2
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On December 21 2010 05:24 Erandorr wrote:
whoa if there are more than 600,000 viewers sc2 cant be that big compared to other games or am i mistaken there? Because , if you look at the Eg masters cup, there were around 10k on wheats channel . Of course MLG has a far bigger audience but Starcraft seems not to be the main focus of MLG.
Where the hell do the 600k viewers come from?
The thing is, those 10k viewers is who's watching the stream at that moment. Many people only watch a certain part of the tournament, those 600k are about people that watched something at a certain point, not the maximum they got at a moment. I would say that the EG tournament got like 30k unique viewers at least, may be more.
And also, the MLG attracts A LOT more people than any other tournament, even more than the GSL (due to time zones), just see the live report topics, they got like 500 pages per day.
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holy nuts this is huge!
2011 will be awesome for MLG :D I suspect a lot more SC2.
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This is awesome to hear. Sundance and the rest of the MLG team have been doing great work for years. They made Halo into a gigantic force and have used their success to branch out to other games and help them be successful as well. MLG is about the gamers and I'm sure they'll do exciting things with the money.MLG got me into Halo but I am an E-Sports fan in general and hope they will do with Starcraft 2, what they were able to accomplish with Halo. Now if only they could get Super Street Fighter 4 they would have the three biggest competitive games in North America all under one roof.
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On December 21 2010 05:14 TrainFX wrote:
Looks like financing for operating activities to me...
nothing to get excited about.
Aren't building new stands and prize pools operating activities for a gaming league? Why wouldn't Americans be excited about 10 million more dollars being invested in the operating activities of our local Starcraft league?
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A bit off topic, but I thought WoW was getting dropped from MLG next year?
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I guess JP is getting a raise!
Grats MLG this is well deserved.
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Are there going to be any MLG event in socal next year?
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It seems like people are missing one key point here: Legion is run by Mike Sepso, who was the founder, original CEO and current chairman of MLG. He's adding another $10M on the existing $42M that's already been invested.
That's less than a 25% increase in funding, by the former CEO. This is good for MLG, but I don't think it means that there's some large sea-change in opinions on e-sports, nor does a 23% increase in total investment suggest that the tournament or company will widely change. This is cash to continue what they're doing. Almost certainly good, but not huge.
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Now all they need to do is drop the first person shooters with bad hit recognition and noticeable latency and they can start looking like they care about fair competition. OH WAI-
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They have to be smart and they have to be careful
So many gaming companies are down the drain because they went woooo loadsa prize money here you go.. then died quickly after..
To put it in perspective, think how much money it costs to run a big lan starcraft event.. it might reach what? 50k viewers.. 100k viewers?
That same money put into ads on tv could reach millions.. advertisers used to be dumb on the whole gaming/internet thing, they aren't any more.
Game money + prize money + investment should be proportional to the game thats played.. any bigger and they are risking it all. Glad its attached to some bigger games like halo, WoW, etc (inferior but unfortunately bigger)
This is one little step closer to the kinda critical mass that sparked off in S Korea.. not sure that will ever happen on the same scale.. but worth a shot, fingers crossed. Don't fuck it up.
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On December 21 2010 05:24 Erandorr wrote:
whoa if there are more than 600,000 viewers sc2 cant be that big compared to other games or am i mistaken there? Because , if you look at the Eg masters cup, there were around 10k on wheats channel . Of course MLG has a far bigger audience but Starcraft seems not to be the main focus of MLG.
Where the hell do the 600k viewers come from?
Thats probably 600k hits, not 600k viewers at a single time period
On December 21 2010 05:25 Looky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2010 05:24 Erandorr wrote:
whoa if there are more than 600,000 viewers sc2 cant be that big compared to other games or am i mistaken there? Because , if you look at the Eg masters cup, there were around 10k on wheats channel . Of course MLG has a far bigger audience but Starcraft seems not to be the main focus of MLG.
Where the hell do the 600k viewers come from? halo
SC2's stream actually had more viewers than Halo, by a lot from what I heard....a LOT.
On December 21 2010 06:02 Glasse wrote:
hopefully none of those console players get any of that. idc about wow cuz its on pc, but no consoles!
gogo sc2
Comments like these make us turn into mlgpro's forums.
On December 21 2010 06:15 stalefish wrote:
Are there going to be any MLG event in socal next year?
They don't announce the venue locations til like 3-4 months into 2011.
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