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Pros (IdRa) vs Joes (Me) - Showmatch! Live Stream - Page 9

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kubetz
Profile Joined March 2010
Slovakia4 Posts
December 20 2010 20:39 GMT
#161
On December 21 2010 00:03 emythrel wrote:
10PM EST is 5 hours behind GMT so it will be 3am GMT. So if ur in CET (GMT+1) then it will be 4am


Thanks!

It looks that for me 10PM + 6 hours = 2AM /facepalm .
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
December 20 2010 21:56 GMT
#162
On December 21 2010 02:41 HyperDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2010 00:28 Impervious wrote:
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote:
i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.

IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers

I think you underestimate the skill difference.....


putting up a good fight =/= winning

When was the last time you saw a legit Gold level player put up a decent fight against a mid Diamond player? Because that's probably a good representation of the skill gap between 2500 and IdrA..... It might actually be more severe than that.....
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
Mr. Nefarious
Profile Joined December 2010
United States515 Posts
December 21 2010 00:45 GMT
#163
I expect these games to be similar to the game when I hit Strifecro on the ladder. An absolute roflstomp, but extremely enjoyable to watch.
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NaYeBo
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada282 Posts
December 21 2010 01:40 GMT
#164
Any 2300+ level zergs want to practice... i neeed a partner please msg on bnet NA nayebo.604
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-21 05:21:54
December 21 2010 02:55 GMT
#165
Question for Idra: If it was up to you to decide the 4 foreigners that will be recommended for the second GSL code-A tournament, who would you choose (if any)? And any particular reason(s) why?
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Ridiculisk
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia191 Posts
December 21 2010 04:35 GMT
#166
Boy oh boy sir, do you have a fight on your hands ;p
Should be really interesting to watch though.

Best of luck sir, have fun!

PS: So jealous that you get to play with IdrA...He's totally my fav player.
TAhackdZ.379 - Sc2sea.com Article Writer
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
December 21 2010 04:38 GMT
#167
Go kick his arse! Make him BM haha
HyperDeath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States64 Posts
December 21 2010 14:09 GMT
#168
On December 21 2010 06:56 Impervious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2010 02:41 HyperDeath wrote:
On December 21 2010 00:28 Impervious wrote:
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote:
i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.

IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers

I think you underestimate the skill difference.....


putting up a good fight =/= winning

When was the last time you saw a legit Gold level player put up a decent fight against a mid Diamond player? Because that's probably a good representation of the skill gap between 2500 and IdrA..... It might actually be more severe than that.....


I really dont think thats a good comparison. A gold level player is probably stuck in the gold division because of his/her lack of fundamentals. They wont do a good job scouting, they'll not keep up with marco, or their cheesey tactics stop working at higher levels. A 2500+ diamond player has enough games under their belt (probably) to have a decent game sense, have a decent build order, and a good response to certain compositions. I dont understand why you feel so uneasy at the fact that a progamer may not just completely face-roll another person who plays the game a lot. If look at their win/loss records, they actually have losses on the ladder.
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purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
December 21 2010 17:31 GMT
#169
I'd pay 150 for idra to coach me. I suck..he'd rage and bm me. I know it.
Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
December 21 2010 18:45 GMT
#170
On December 21 2010 23:09 HyperDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2010 06:56 Impervious wrote:
On December 21 2010 02:41 HyperDeath wrote:
On December 21 2010 00:28 Impervious wrote:
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote:
i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.

IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers

I think you underestimate the skill difference.....


putting up a good fight =/= winning

When was the last time you saw a legit Gold level player put up a decent fight against a mid Diamond player? Because that's probably a good representation of the skill gap between 2500 and IdrA..... It might actually be more severe than that.....


I really dont think thats a good comparison. A gold level player is probably stuck in the gold division because of his/her lack of fundamentals. They wont do a good job scouting, they'll not keep up with marco, or their cheesey tactics stop working at higher levels. A 2500+ diamond player has enough games under their belt (probably) to have a decent game sense, have a decent build order, and a good response to certain compositions. I dont understand why you feel so uneasy at the fact that a progamer may not just completely face-roll another person who plays the game a lot. If look at their win/loss records, they actually have losses on the ladder.



A more accurate comparison is an olympian world-record luger versus a top amateur. Both have solid rides, but the olympian has refined his skill to go just faster and cut more corners enough to crush the amateur's time, every time.

If it were a game of complete information, IdrA would be top 5 in the world. Unfortunately, we live in a world where the best player in the world will still always lose a quarter of his games against random ladder opponents (imagine a fluctuation between luge runs of 25%). It's going to be that way for a while yet, so enjoy the days of swashbuckling Starcraft.
Lanaia is love.
HanSoo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States17 Posts
December 21 2010 19:06 GMT
#171
I don't think $150 is overpriced.

$50 is joke and way undervalues what his time is worth. High tier poker coaches charge in excess of $500/hr and even the mid-tier quality coaches charge $75-125.

Coaching from elite level players is a niche market. It targets a very specific type of player in a very specific point in their gaming careers. It is NOT for the general population to get better. In order to get anything out of a coaching session with IdrA you would need to already be very good. You would need to have no major faults in your play but instead you might be having trouble with a specific match up or need advice on how to better execute a build.

This is something that would be an excellent use of time with an elite player. You're basically paying to pick their brain on something that only they would know, or something that could expedite your learning process significantly (high level tips and tricks).

Any run of the mill Computer Programmer can bill $50/hr. Heck, many high school kids charge that once they build up a decent skill set.
kineSiS-
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Korea (South)1068 Posts
December 21 2010 19:09 GMT
#172
On December 19 2010 07:51 Enervate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 07:47 PaleBlueDot wrote:
On December 19 2010 07:43 TheSCII wrote:
did you even read the OP? it said no bm toward the players -_-


Yeah it was just a joke, I meant no disrespect towards Idra :/.

But seriously if you don't mind divulging the amount it took, I would like to know how much Idra thinks his games are worth. If not its cool, I was just curious.

Well, Idra charges $150/hour for lessons, so that should give you an idea. The OP did say Idra was kinder to him, so my guess is somewhere between $50 and $200.


Wrong :D

Turns out IdrA was kinder than I expected, and allowed me to stream the event.

He was kind in that he was allowed to stream the event. Work on you interpretation skill sgood sir.
NaYeBo
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada282 Posts
December 21 2010 19:36 GMT
#173
Hey guys,

I'm looking for someone to cast the game in better quality.

My stream would be the question and answers during games with IdrA and there would be another stream to watch both players in better quality, let me know if anyone can stream.
Aruno
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand748 Posts
December 21 2010 19:41 GMT
#174
I hope your practising hardcore NaYeBo, I want your very best game when you VS IdrA

Oh and thx for putting this livestream on for everyone.
I am going to make time to see this live!

GL
aruno, arunoaj, aruno_aj | Those are my main aliases
roymarthyup
Profile Joined April 2010
1442 Posts
December 21 2010 19:48 GMT
#175

you should seriously make one of the conditions of this showmatch that if idra loses he doesnt get the money


that would make it a bit more entertaining
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
December 21 2010 20:02 GMT
#176
On December 22 2010 04:06 HanSoo wrote:
I don't think $150 is overpriced.

$50 is joke and way undervalues what his time is worth. High tier poker coaches charge in excess of $500/hr and even the mid-tier quality coaches charge $75-125.

Coaching from elite level players is a niche market. It targets a very specific type of player in a very specific point in their gaming careers. It is NOT for the general population to get better. In order to get anything out of a coaching session with IdrA you would need to already be very good. You would need to have no major faults in your play but instead you might be having trouble with a specific match up or need advice on how to better execute a build.

This is something that would be an excellent use of time with an elite player. You're basically paying to pick their brain on something that only they would know, or something that could expedite your learning process significantly (high level tips and tricks).

Any run of the mill Computer Programmer can bill $50/hr. Heck, many high school kids charge that once they build up a decent skill set.




you can earn 500/hour playing poker on a high level
you can win 100/day in tournaments playing with the best players in the world, so the prices are relative
shifty
Profile Joined July 2010
United States280 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-21 20:05:08
December 21 2010 20:04 GMT
#177
Good luck man i'll be watching.
Western Tribe http://www.wtr1be.com
TheDominator
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
New Zealand336 Posts
December 21 2010 20:11 GMT
#178
Lucky guy. You get to vs idrA.
And have u though about wat to do if u win 1 game?
You can go a long way with a smile. You can go a lot farther with a smile and a gun.
DiracMonopole
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1555 Posts
December 21 2010 20:17 GMT
#179
Q to Idra: What sort of additions and changes would you like to see in the future expansions?
CursedFeanor
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada539 Posts
December 21 2010 20:20 GMT
#180
On December 22 2010 04:36 NaYeBo wrote:
Hey guys,

I'm looking for someone to cast the game in better quality.

My stream would be the question and answers during games with IdrA and there would be another stream to watch both players in better quality, let me know if anyone can stream.



PLEASE get Incontrol to cast these games!!! he's the best when comes time to bash on people getting crushed... in any case good luck, I'll be there watching for sure.
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