Ever wonder how it would be if a regular non-pro ladder noob challenged a pro? Not just a pro, but a code S Starcraft perfect machine?
Well now's your chance!
On December 22nd, 10 PM EST , Watch NaYeBo vs. IdrA show match!
A Little About Me: I'm a 2700 Diamond player on the NA ladder. I Play terran. AndIdrA will stomp me, but I'll try to put up a fight. You may know me from my TL stream, or my show on how to reach Diamond in one day!
Format of the show match: - 1 Hour Long - Bo3 - Spare time will go towards a Q&A period from viewers
Purpose: There's no purpose of this showmatch. It is not to prove myself and it is not to market anything or plug in sponsors. My cousin has a little extra money to blow and asked me to contactIdrA and find out how much he would change to roflstomp me in a Bo3. Turns out IdrA was kinder than I expected, and allowed me to stream the event, so all you shameless and bored fans who love to see the rich feed upon the poor can have FUN! (All jokes a side, my cousin just said play IdrA, find out how much, I got dough to blow and I want to blow it right)!
THIS IS IMPORTANT: I DO NOT THINK I WILL WIN, AND THIS IS NOT A EVENT WHERE I AM CONFIDENT. Predictions? I think the almighty will mass muta in 40 seconds in some ungodly manner and win.
It is not a high quality stream, and it will not be casted. It is simply me vs. IdrA, and I'll be streaming my perspective.
Any BM toward me,IdrA, or the stream will not be tolerated in the channel and result in a instant forever ban. I dont want 200 people signing in to tell me their better then me... I'm not saying your not!
Questions will be asked to IdrA so post only serious questions here and I may select them.
How much did it cost to get him to play you? If it is a lot, you can always just play me for free and ill spam mutas while telling you that your whole family's life should be forfeit because you play terran.
did you even read the OP? it said no bm toward the players -_-
On December 19 2010 07:41 PaleBlueDot wrote: How much did it cost to get him to play you? If it is a lot, you can always just play me for free and ill spam mutas while telling you that your whole family's life should be forfeit because you play terran.
On December 19 2010 07:41 PaleBlueDot wrote: How much did it cost to get him to play you? If it is a lot, you can always just play me for free and ill spam mutas while telling you that your whole family's life should be forfeit because you play terran.
I read this and I thought it was some sort of event where people got a chance to play against IdrA. I will definitely be tuning in, I can never get enough of watching IdrA play, he almost makes me want to switch to Zerg everytime.
Good luck.
EDIT: Hope your stream can handle the amount of IdrA fans/haters that will be watching.
On December 19 2010 07:43 TheSCII wrote: did you even read the OP? it said no bm toward the players -_-
Yeah it was just a joke, I meant no disrespect towards Idra :/.
But seriously if you don't mind divulging the amount it took, I would like to know how much Idra thinks his games are worth. If not its cool, I was just curious.
Honestly this makes me not want to watch it, for one i just dont like people saying " IM NOT EVEN GUNNA WIN LO!L@!@!LOL@O!L@!@L " like its a big "turnoff" to just not watch it, it would be more fun if you would be "cocky" then being " negative" maybe its just me but i dont care to watch this now, it will be some random newb at mlg like " i makeroaches" getting roasted by idra, + Show Spoiler +
it would be more fun to watch you being cocky and making this fun , while bmin idra in game? then saying you suck and shit, but thanks for the post, imsure all 10 people watching will like it
On December 19 2010 07:43 TheSCII wrote: did you even read the OP? it said no bm toward the players -_-
Yeah it was just a joke, I meant no disrespect towards Idra :/.
But seriously if you don't mind divulging the amount it took, I would like to know how much Idra thinks his games are worth. If not its cool, I was just curious.
Well, Idra charges $150/hour for lessons, so that should give you an idea. The OP did say Idra was kinder to him, so my guess is somewhere between $50 and $200.
On December 19 2010 07:49 FalconPunchsc2 wrote: Honestly this makes me not want to watch it, for one i just dont like people saying " IM NOT EVEN GUNNA WIN LO!L@!@!LOL@O!L@!@L " like its a big "turnoff" to just not watch it, it would be more fun if you would be "cocky" then being " negative" maybe its just me but i dont care to watch this now, it will be some random newb at mlg like " i makeroaches" getting roasted by idra, + Show Spoiler +
it would be more fun to watch you being cocky and making this fun , while bmin idra in game? then saying you suck and shit, but thanks for the post, imsure all 10 people watching will like it
Lol dont watch then
Sorry im not tricking you and pretending i can win.
Relax, you wont be missed and your comments arent needed
The biggest mystery is how you got IdrA to go along with this. Well it seems interesting so i'll check it out. Oh and do try and put up a fight. No one wants to see a total whitewash.
Sounds cool. Awesome that Idra is willing to do stuff like this, love watching him play in any capacity. I think he got a new PR manager cause he seems to be handelling himself much more professionally now imo. I'll be watching on the 22nd and good luck.
On December 19 2010 07:43 TheSCII wrote: did you even read the OP? it said no bm toward the players -_-
On December 19 2010 07:41 PaleBlueDot wrote: How much did it cost to get him to play you? If it is a lot, you can always just play me for free and ill spam mutas while telling you that your whole family's life should be forfeit because you play terran.
Haha this'll be awesome. It's at a reasonable time too, so I'll definitely tune in to watch. I hope your stream can handle all the IdrA fans who'll be watching.
just do marine 2 rax with scv all in and you might win. I have seen idra struggle with this build, but he stands by his tactick going hatch first is the counter to this build.
well if you're 2700 I'd say you actually have a [small] change of winning one game, although you probably won't be able to unless you also play starcraft for life xD
Also, $150 per hour for coaching? That's quite a lot. I mean I know 1 hour from a pro coaching you (granted that he's good at it and knows how to "teach" and doesn't just BM or rage) can be very very helpful, learning many different important timings or such that the pros would more likely know than any top ladder player, but if he were to charge something lower, like 50$, I think he would get a lot more customers (man think of it, with all the fans he has, he could just spend most of his time coaching and not have to depend on the pro scene xD). But may be the problem with lower cost but more customers is that he'd give away too many secret tricks, you could say?
But yeah anyways what I was going to say was, hopefully your cousin didn't need to pay that much, I was expecting something more like 50$ or something =O
man, this is really cool. if i were you though, i would try at least one long macro game vs him. cause if you beat him that way it would be soo rewarding.
On December 19 2010 11:50 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Hmm, interesting! I'll try to tune in :D
GL GL haha
well if you're 2700 I'd say you actually have a [small] change of winning one game, although you probably won't be able to unless you also play starcraft for life xD
Also, $150 per hour for coaching? That's quite a lot. I mean I know 1 hour from a pro coaching you (granted that he's good at it and knows how to "teach" and doesn't just BM or rage) can be very very helpful, learning many different important timings or such that the pros would more likely know than any top ladder player, but if he were to charge something lower, like 50$, I think he would get a lot more customers (man think of it, with all the fans he has, he could just spend most of his time coaching and not have to depend on the pro scene xD). But may be the problem with lower cost but more customers is that he'd give away too many secret tricks, you could say?
But yeah anyways what I was going to say was, hopefully your cousin didn't need to pay that much, I was expecting something more like 50$ or something =O
again GL HF lol
IdrA said recently that the $150 is supposed to be prohibitive, he doesn't want to devote all his time to coaching. He thinks people who want to pay less can go to Machine, who he says is a very good coach.
150 an hour is way over priced, but honestly if you play terran you should win vs idra. I can honestly say there isn't a zerg in this game who could beat my offrace terran. just practice microing marines and honestly it's impossible to lose unless you messup and get banelinged
On December 19 2010 12:14 peachsncream wrote: 150 an hour is way over priced, but honestly if you play terran you should win vs idra. I can honestly say there isn't a zerg in this game who could beat my offrace terran. just practice microing marines and honestly it's impossible to lose unless you messup and get banelinged
lol ... find posts liek this hilarious :/
you should go to GSL , and just beat on all the zergs, since its impossible to lose... you just gotta practice two matchups
curious whats your ladder statistics or tourny results?
Questions for IdrA: How confident are you in the next GSL? Do you think you will be among the top 2 in your group with oGsEnsnare, CheckPrime.WE and Jinro in your bracket? Which player in your group do you expect the most challenge from and how are you preparing against this match up?
On December 19 2010 07:44 SubtleArt wrote: Great, now all you need to do is inform Idra that you switched to Protoss, contact HuK, and get him to play on your account.
Llll, are Huk and IdrA still taking pot shots at eachother then?
OT: I'll be rootin' for you NaYeBo, don't get to see this thing often so may as well root for the underdog to take the win.
I'll just repast the questions so people have an idea on whats beeing asked:
Mumming: How did your parents react, when you, 18 years old or so, told them, you would move to Korea to become a progamer?
Killykill: How much time do you think it will take Starcraft 2 to reach the balance level of Brood War, if ever?
Volcanis: How confident are you in the next GSL? Do you think you will be among the top 2 in your group with oGsEnsnare, CheckPrime.WE and Jinro in your bracket? Which player in your group do you expect the most challenge from and how are you preparing against this match up?
Lesphoques: How would you rate HuK's protoss and overall game sense? Does he have a decent chance of having a run similar to Jinro's?
Joke question to ask him: What is your opinion on your community nickname of "Grack" or "The Gracken"? Does it bug you, or is it all in good fun?
Real question: What is your opinion on the current state of game balance, both racial balance as well as map balance? What changes do you think are necessary to the current map pool to improve balance? Should major tournaments start using their own maps?
Q: Now that the GSL 4 brackets are finalized, what do you think of your chances in the bracket which contains the likes of Jinro, Ensnare and CheckPrime?
Pick the best 2 TvZ non cheese build orders you have. Do them to the best of your ability. Watch yourself get ripped to shreds.
These replays will now show you any of your weaknesses. Use it to learn. It will be far more valuable to you as a learning tool than anything else.
I say 2 because IdrA is going to 2-0 you. He'd probably retire from Pro-gaming if he lost a game to you.....
This is an awesome opportunity, and if you've got 150 bucks to blow (assuming that is how much it's costing you), this is one of the best ways to spend it if you're trying to improve in SC. Personally, I'd rather throw 150 bucks into sooooooooo many other things, but kudos to you and your cousin for it!
On December 19 2010 07:41 PaleBlueDot wrote: If it is a lot, you can always just play me for free and ill spam mutas while telling you that your whole family's life should be forfeit because you play terran.
however I like this quite a lot. ;D its like you need a bm idra bot to scourge yourself
On December 19 2010 12:14 peachsncream wrote: 150 an hour is way over priced, but honestly if you play terran you should win vs idra. I can honestly say there isn't a zerg in this game who could beat my offrace terran. just practice microing marines and honestly it's impossible to lose unless you messup and get banelinged
Lets talk in a language he can understand
"IZ DIZ KID 4 REALZ?"
I can't really tell if your joking or trolling or 100% serious but i bet idra's offraces would stomp your main race easy. What do i base this on? Well that hes a pro gamer who's actually very very good winning top tournaments living the E-sports dream, and well your posting these messages on teamliquid clearly being more deluded then Screech out of saved by the bell
(no i have no clue where this refrence came from but i get the feeling he will understand exactly what i mean if hes that old)
Why not get a caster to cast it? Sure someone would be willing to watch this and cast it over a relativly high quality stream. Anyhow. Kind of ruins the excitement when you say 'Oh, I will lose, blabla he's gonna win so hard'.
And ye, I woul dassume Joe would be up to gold, not 2.7k diamond :o
On December 19 2010 07:37 NaYeBo wrote: regular non-pro ladder noob
IdrA will stomp me
roflstomp me
see the rich feed upon the poor
I DO NOT THINK I WILL WIN,
I think the almighty will mass muta in 40 seconds in some ungodly manner and win.
Sounds like an interesting game coming up. However, am I just overly skeptical, or is there too much emphasis on insincere modesty to potentially lesson the blow of defeat or; conversely inflate the shock and surprise of victory? Perhaps I'm wrong in my assumption and you're just a nice person?
Whatever your motive, I wish both players luck and I look forward to it.
TC, if you can beat IdrA in a straight macro Game (where both of you made no noticeable Major mistake), I'll seriously worship you for your entire Starcraft career. Best of luck to you and IdrA, if he's reading this.
I'm sure you can beat him if you can come up and practice like 80 times a good cheese. Like, possibly sending out a really early scv on jungle basin creating an engineering bay at his nat, walling in the bottom of your ramp and going for a 2 rax into an all in hellion marine push. But I'm sure that defeats the whole purpose of these games and you'll be attempting to play macro games with Idra. Best of luck!
As for the OP, i'm still curious as to why Idra would agree to this, if it really is the famous idra and not some random guy named that. Would be an epic troll if the latter.
Half of the questions people have listed and you're planning to possibly ask IdrA he's already answered in interviews, which are posted on TL.net. New questions that haven't been asked might be a better idea, since it opens up a NEW can of worms for IdrA to talk about.
oGsMC said during his championship interview for GSL3 that had he played Terran he'd have won 3 GSL's already. Do you agree with him, that it's just a fundamentally easier race? And, if so, why aren't you playing Terran to go for the "Free wins?"
I predict a 2-1. The one win where IdrA will be itself and just go 14hatch, It being the death of him due to a early Rush. I'm not being BM or anything, But we all know IdrA almost Never skips his 14 hatch.
I'm looking forward to it. I Always wondered how i would fare against some ProS. But i don't think it will Ever happen ^^.
On December 20 2010 01:55 Durp wrote: Half of the questions people have listed and you're planning to possibly ask IdrA he's already answered in interviews, which are posted on TL.net. New questions that haven't been asked might be a better idea, since it opens up a NEW can of worms for IdrA to talk about.
oGsMC said during his championship interview for GSL3 that had he played Terran he'd have won 3 GSL's already. Do you agree with him, that it's just a fundamentally easier race? And, if so, why aren't you playing Terran to go for the "Free wins?"
Idra has already answered the last question in your spoiler.
It would be awesome to set yourself some goal, like getting a fourth base or getting your third before IdrA. Not necessarily the best way to win (I guess the best way would be a pressure build with a strong timing attack?) but it would be a game to remember.
Either way, I'll try my best to tune in and cheer for good play
As for the OP, i'm still curious as to why Idra would agree to this, if it really is the famous idra and not some random guy named that. Would be an epic troll if the latter.
On December 20 2010 01:55 Durp wrote: Half of the questions people have listed and you're planning to possibly ask IdrA he's already answered in interviews, which are posted on TL.net. New questions that haven't been asked might be a better idea, since it opens up a NEW can of worms for IdrA to talk about.
oGsMC said during his championship interview for GSL3 that had he played Terran he'd have won 3 GSL's already. Do you agree with him, that it's just a fundamentally easier race? And, if so, why aren't you playing Terran to go for the "Free wins?"
Idra has already answered the last question in your spoiler.
lol More seriously, he has already answered your second question. He says the zerg macro mechanic fits his playstyle much more, and therefore he believes it would not be beneficial to swap to Terran, even if they are overpowered.
I think this could be a great appearance for IdrA and hopefully some good questions are asked after the show. NaYeBo is a terrific player as well, so at the very least it will be hopefully an entertaining game, even if it one sided.
I will not have a caster, this is a learning experience for me and my viewers who are Terran users. However, I will cast the replays if you zerg fans want to see what IdrA is up to.
I will ask ALL the questions during the first 5 minutes of the games if theres time.
I am conservative in my statements and saying I THINK ILL LOSE because if i dont, i know the TL trollers will love to come in here and say 'dont even play , scrub, you;ll lose' . My goal is obviously to win, but the better player normally wins unless a cheese or unexpected mistake or strategy occurs. Hes code S for a reason.
Do you realize how much money Idra could make if he let anyone play him for money and charged like $20 per game? He could easily make like $1000 a day...
On December 20 2010 06:39 TheToast wrote: Do you realize how much money Idra could make if he let anyone play him for money and charged like $20 per game? He could easily make like $1000 a day...
On December 20 2010 09:53 PheNOM_ wrote: Someone should record this, because alas I will be busy.
It will be made into vods, and replays should be posted as well. As well the people encouraging bunker rushes and scv all ins, I'm pretty certain Idra won't struggle with these.
Please, don't call him Grack or ask any questions relating to the whole Grack thing. He's said he finds it annoying multiple times.
Not saying you were going to or anything, it's just that a few people are telling you to ask questions like that. I'll cringe if you say "Hi Grack!" or ask "So what do you think of the Grack nickname?"
I'd also like to see a macro style of play by you. It'd be pretty awesome practice to play against one of the best macro players in the world. But that's just my personal preference, others would prefer you to marine/scv all-in. I'm not too opposed to that, just don't do it every game. xD
I mean, just imagine if you beat IdrA in a macro game! Your subsequent confidence would rival MC's.
Show him how OP Terran really is!! Now i am totally joking! Good luck though man; really awesome to see you furthering eSports! Hell yeah for showmatches!
On December 20 2010 10:18 Galaxy77 wrote: When hes ready to play, host Steppes of war. 12/14 rax, build 5 marines, send all scvs. See if you can provoke him to rage.
Then,
in the rematch, rehost steppes of war, and 12/14 rax, build 5 marines, send all scvs, see what his response is.
THAT would be good tv
As much as I wouldn't mind watching how idra crushes the same 2rax all-in twice in a row, I'd wanna see at least 1 long game. >:O
That said, I wouldn't mind watching how he handles a 2rax all-in.
IdrA said recently that the $150 is supposed to be prohibitive, he doesn't want to devote all his time to coaching. He thinks people who want to pay less can go to Machine, who he says is a very good coach.
Hi Nayebo, After the games, please ask him to dissect your play/ mistake, etc. I am really curious to see how he thinks about the game and the type of mistakes that terran make against zerg.
Also, if you are going to get ROLFStomp, might as well have some good come out of it
On December 20 2010 16:10 Raysalis wrote: Hi Nayebo, After the games, please ask him to dissect your play/ mistake, etc. I am really curious to see how he thinks about the game and the type of mistakes that terran make against zerg.
Also, if you are going to get ROLFStomp, might as well have some good come out of it
That's actually a really good idea. I'd love to see that as well.
didn't the mods get really annoyed last time someone advertised their stream content on the general forums? Not trying to get you in trouble, I just thought that the last time someone tried to do something similar with advertising their stream, there was a fight among mods.
Have you PM'd the calandar people to put this as an event just incase the thread gets buried by the time your showmatch comes up?
Hey I fought you before! You were a pretty good terran in my memory.
2700? I feel better now : ) Anyway, good luck man! And have fun, you sure have luck to fight IdrA.
I fought a pro maybe a week ago, LiquidHayprO. I was very nervous, try to stay calm in your game if you want a tip lol. You can find the game on youtube if you're curious, just type DracoQC vs LiquidHayprO or something, but he kinda owned me easily lol.
On December 19 2010 11:50 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Hmm, interesting! I'll try to tune in :D
GL GL haha
well if you're 2700 I'd say you actually have a [small] change of winning one game, although you probably won't be able to unless you also play starcraft for life xD
Also, $150 per hour for coaching? That's quite a lot. I mean I know 1 hour from a pro coaching you (granted that he's good at it and knows how to "teach" and doesn't just BM or rage) can be very very helpful, learning many different important timings or such that the pros would more likely know than any top ladder player, but if he were to charge something lower, like 50$, I think he would get a lot more customers (man think of it, with all the fans he has, he could just spend most of his time coaching and not have to depend on the pro scene xD). But may be the problem with lower cost but more customers is that he'd give away too many secret tricks, you could say?
But yeah anyways what I was going to say was, hopefully your cousin didn't need to pay that much, I was expecting something more like 50$ or something =O
again GL HF lol
He charges so much so he DOESN'T get more customers. The average is like $30 US I think, but he doesn't want to lose all his social time to coaching.
i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.
IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote: i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.
IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers
I think you underestimate the skill difference.....
So you payed around 150$ to play one hour of sc2 ?! Dude i can give you 10 better ways to spend that money and really get your money's worth... Wth is wrong with you?
On December 21 2010 00:50 PrimalFear wrote: So you payed around 150$ to play one hour of sc2 ?! Dude i can give you 10 better ways to spend that money and really get your money's worth... Wth is wrong with you?
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote: i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.
IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers
You have a very wide definition of "good fight".
And no, I wouldn't try to cheese IdrA in a match against an average Joe, IdrA is going to play really safe and deny the cheese and smoke you in a macro game.
He can't afford to play extremely safe builds against other pros, they'll keep up with his macro. But against a Joe? Just get the game to 15 minutes and its basically over.
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote: i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.
IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers
I think you underestimate the skill difference.....
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote: i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.
IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers
I think you underestimate the skill difference.....
On December 19 2010 07:46 omgCRAZY wrote: I read this and I thought it was some sort of event where people got a chance to play against IdrA.
That's exactly what I thought too, and it's a brilliant idea. It's so brilliant in fact I don't even know why no one has done this before.
Have some kind of recurring (maybe weekly?) event where random scrubs sign up to go head-to-head with pros and maybe people can donate (or the scrubs pay) money that can serve as payment to the pros. It doesn't have to be like, 2700 diamond people or anything, maybe just any random joe, as long as the pros don't go completely overboard and stomp them in 10 minutes or something.
Judging by the Rumble in the Bronze event, this could be very entertaining and lucrative and I know plenty of people (myself included) who would be willing to withstand humiliation and defeat to play with some of the greats that they idolize. Plus, it would also serve as good PR for the participating pros and give them some way to blow off steam in between practice sessions.
Like, something like this: Random bronze league dudes pay $20 to sign up and play a Bo3 against Idra, maybe we can fit like 3 Bo3s into 2 hours and at the end Idra comes out $60 richer and all the people on the stream get to watch Idra play around with bronze league people. Or maybe we can do more like, 1v2 or 1v3 type games where it's a pro versus a bunch of non-diamond folks. Compared to some of the tournaments floating around, it can be a profitable venture and it would be entertaining as hell to watch.
Please everyone stop telling me to cheese... might as well make the gaems worthwhile... maybe one all in if we have time for some fun games...
And it wont be a vod vod.. just recorded in my archive of livestream
im not getting someone with highquality stream to cast because i dont wanna ask idra for too much... asking him to add a third party on skype would be more than he'd want im sure
and i will recast the replays on a later date
and the quality of my stream isnt high.. its the same as ive been streaming before, people havnt had many problems with it before , so shoudl be fine now
On December 19 2010 07:46 omgCRAZY wrote: I read this and I thought it was some sort of event where people got a chance to play against IdrA.
That's exactly what I thought too, and it's a brilliant idea. It's so brilliant in fact I don't even know why no one has done this before.
Have some kind of recurring (maybe weekly?) event where random scrubs sign up to go head-to-head with pros and maybe people can donate (or the scrubs pay) money that can serve as payment to the pros. It doesn't have to be like, 2700 diamond people or anything, maybe just any random joe, as long as the pros don't go completely overboard and stomp them in 10 minutes or something.
Judging by the Rumble in the Bronze event, this could be very entertaining and lucrative and I know plenty of people (myself included) who would be willing to withstand humiliation and defeat to play with some of the greats that they idolize. Plus, it would also serve as good PR for the participating pros and give them some way to blow off steam in between practice sessions.
Like, something like this: Random bronze league dudes pay $20 to sign up and play a Bo3 against Idra, maybe we can fit like 3 Bo3s into 2 hours and at the end Idra comes out $60 richer and all the people on the stream get to watch Idra play around with bronze league people. Or maybe we can do more like, 1v2 or 1v3 type games where it's a pro versus a bunch of non-diamond folks. Compared to some of the tournaments floating around, it can be a profitable venture and it would be entertaining as hell to watch.
They have, it's called TL attack but right now hasn't been set up yet. You can still youtube for the old ones though
On December 21 2010 03:32 NaYeBo wrote: Please everyone stop telling me to cheese... might as well make the gaems worthwhile... maybe one all in if we have time for some fun games...
Imagine if he cheesed you just to end the match asap so he can go make more money with other matches/training. :O
On December 21 2010 03:32 NaYeBo wrote: Please everyone stop telling me to cheese... might as well make the gaems worthwhile... maybe one all in if we have time for some fun games...
Imagine if he cheesed you just to end the match asap so he can go make more money with other matches/training. :O
Are you really spending the time and energy to compare who can be more precise in a sequence of clicks and button presses? We already know the answer to that.
Your best bet for an entertaining match is to do something unexpected. idrA's on the fly reaction is not as good as his mastery over the mechanics.
It'll certainly be more fun watching you sit in your base while idra expands 5 times.
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote: i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.
IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers
I think you underestimate the skill difference.....
putting up a good fight =/= winning
When was the last time you saw a legit Gold level player put up a decent fight against a mid Diamond player? Because that's probably a good representation of the skill gap between 2500 and IdrA..... It might actually be more severe than that.....
Question for Idra: If it was up to you to decide the 4 foreigners that will be recommended for the second GSL code-A tournament, who would you choose (if any)? And any particular reason(s) why?
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote: i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.
IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers
I think you underestimate the skill difference.....
putting up a good fight =/= winning
When was the last time you saw a legit Gold level player put up a decent fight against a mid Diamond player? Because that's probably a good representation of the skill gap between 2500 and IdrA..... It might actually be more severe than that.....
I really dont think thats a good comparison. A gold level player is probably stuck in the gold division because of his/her lack of fundamentals. They wont do a good job scouting, they'll not keep up with marco, or their cheesey tactics stop working at higher levels. A 2500+ diamond player has enough games under their belt (probably) to have a decent game sense, have a decent build order, and a good response to certain compositions. I dont understand why you feel so uneasy at the fact that a progamer may not just completely face-roll another person who plays the game a lot. If look at their win/loss records, they actually have losses on the ladder.
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote: i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.
IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers
I think you underestimate the skill difference.....
putting up a good fight =/= winning
When was the last time you saw a legit Gold level player put up a decent fight against a mid Diamond player? Because that's probably a good representation of the skill gap between 2500 and IdrA..... It might actually be more severe than that.....
I really dont think thats a good comparison. A gold level player is probably stuck in the gold division because of his/her lack of fundamentals. They wont do a good job scouting, they'll not keep up with marco, or their cheesey tactics stop working at higher levels. A 2500+ diamond player has enough games under their belt (probably) to have a decent game sense, have a decent build order, and a good response to certain compositions. I dont understand why you feel so uneasy at the fact that a progamer may not just completely face-roll another person who plays the game a lot. If look at their win/loss records, they actually have losses on the ladder.
A more accurate comparison is an olympian world-record luger versus a top amateur. Both have solid rides, but the olympian has refined his skill to go just faster and cut more corners enough to crush the amateur's time, every time.
If it were a game of complete information, IdrA would be top 5 in the world. Unfortunately, we live in a world where the best player in the world will still always lose a quarter of his games against random ladder opponents (imagine a fluctuation between luge runs of 25%). It's going to be that way for a while yet, so enjoy the days of swashbuckling Starcraft.
$50 is joke and way undervalues what his time is worth. High tier poker coaches charge in excess of $500/hr and even the mid-tier quality coaches charge $75-125.
Coaching from elite level players is a niche market. It targets a very specific type of player in a very specific point in their gaming careers. It is NOT for the general population to get better. In order to get anything out of a coaching session with IdrA you would need to already be very good. You would need to have no major faults in your play but instead you might be having trouble with a specific match up or need advice on how to better execute a build.
This is something that would be an excellent use of time with an elite player. You're basically paying to pick their brain on something that only they would know, or something that could expedite your learning process significantly (high level tips and tricks).
Any run of the mill Computer Programmer can bill $50/hr. Heck, many high school kids charge that once they build up a decent skill set.
On December 19 2010 07:43 TheSCII wrote: did you even read the OP? it said no bm toward the players -_-
Yeah it was just a joke, I meant no disrespect towards Idra :/.
But seriously if you don't mind divulging the amount it took, I would like to know how much Idra thinks his games are worth. If not its cool, I was just curious.
Well, Idra charges $150/hour for lessons, so that should give you an idea. The OP did say Idra was kinder to him, so my guess is somewhere between $50 and $200.
Wrong :D
Turns out IdrA was kinder than I expected, and allowed me to stream the event.
He was kind in that he was allowed to stream the event. Work on you interpretation skill sgood sir.
I'm looking for someone to cast the game in better quality.
My stream would be the question and answers during games with IdrA and there would be another stream to watch both players in better quality, let me know if anyone can stream.
On December 22 2010 04:06 HanSoo wrote: I don't think $150 is overpriced.
$50 is joke and way undervalues what his time is worth. High tier poker coaches charge in excess of $500/hr and even the mid-tier quality coaches charge $75-125.
Coaching from elite level players is a niche market. It targets a very specific type of player in a very specific point in their gaming careers. It is NOT for the general population to get better. In order to get anything out of a coaching session with IdrA you would need to already be very good. You would need to have no major faults in your play but instead you might be having trouble with a specific match up or need advice on how to better execute a build.
This is something that would be an excellent use of time with an elite player. You're basically paying to pick their brain on something that only they would know, or something that could expedite your learning process significantly (high level tips and tricks).
Any run of the mill Computer Programmer can bill $50/hr. Heck, many high school kids charge that once they build up a decent skill set.
you can earn 500/hour playing poker on a high level you can win 100/day in tournaments playing with the best players in the world, so the prices are relative
I'm looking for someone to cast the game in better quality.
My stream would be the question and answers during games with IdrA and there would be another stream to watch both players in better quality, let me know if anyone can stream.
PLEASE get Incontrol to cast these games!!! he's the best when comes time to bash on people getting crushed... in any case good luck, I'll be there watching for sure.
IdrA is my favorite gamer, this should be pretty fun to watch. I feel for you and the pounding you are gonna take lol... IdrA made it look Diamond vs Bronze when he played vs QXC ZvT. Cool idea tho man, gl HF to both you and IdrA
On December 22 2010 04:06 HanSoo wrote: I don't think $150 is overpriced.
$50 is joke and way undervalues what his time is worth. High tier poker coaches charge in excess of $500/hr and even the mid-tier quality coaches charge $75-125.
Coaching from elite level players is a niche market. It targets a very specific type of player in a very specific point in their gaming careers. It is NOT for the general population to get better. In order to get anything out of a coaching session with IdrA you would need to already be very good. You would need to have no major faults in your play but instead you might be having trouble with a specific match up or need advice on how to better execute a build.
This is something that would be an excellent use of time with an elite player. You're basically paying to pick their brain on something that only they would know, or something that could expedite your learning process significantly (high level tips and tricks).
Any run of the mill Computer Programmer can bill $50/hr. Heck, many high school kids charge that once they build up a decent skill set.
Poker coaches can charge more because professional poker is a well-established game with huge amounts of money in it, even at a local level. Even the more minor tournaments have GSL sums of cash on the line.
Similarly, programmers can charge a lot because the end result of finished websites/software is a profit. If I hire a web developer to make my business' site, I'll earn it back and then a lot more. Very few people make good money off SC and none of them are actively coached by other players.
On December 19 2010 07:49 FalconPunchsc2 wrote: Honestly this makes me not want to watch it, for one i just dont like people saying " IM NOT EVEN GUNNA WIN LO!L@!@!LOL@O!L@!@L " like its a big "turnoff" to just not watch it, it would be more fun if you would be "cocky" then being " negative" maybe its just me but i dont care to watch this now, it will be some random newb at mlg like " i makeroaches" getting roasted by idra, + Show Spoiler +
it would be more fun to watch you being cocky and making this fun , while bmin idra in game? then saying you suck and shit, but thanks for the post, imsure all 10 people watching will like it
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why timebanning this user?
i thought about the same. the OP was telling everyone about this cool showmatch and before ending the sentence there was this huge "but" all over the place.
"but i dont think i can win but i know you all are better, maybe.. but i know he will pwn me but .. "
its like "hey let us play in private"
i really dont get it. but maybe its some kind of self defense? in case of losing, you can tell everyone "told ya" ..
Read his answer to that troller before you ask him the same thing...he isn't forcing anyone to watch who isn't interested so no need for the comments.
Q: Putting aside the issue of the skill-ceiling being higher in SC1, are there any SC1 players that you see having fairly-instant success if they were to switch to SC2?
Good luck nayebo! If anything make sure you have fun
On December 21 2010 00:16 HyperDeath wrote: i would consider a Joe a low level Diamond player. I wouldn't go so far as to calling a silver/bronze level player a Joe (as was mentioned earlier in the thread). The fun of pros v joes is that you could at least try to root for a Joe and at least get some entertainment and put up some fight. A silver/bronze player would be immediately crushed. A 2500+ Diamond would probably put up a good fight against idra.
IMO early pressure. proxy 2rax all-in with bunkers
I think you underestimate the skill difference.....
putting up a good fight =/= winning
When was the last time you saw a legit Gold level player put up a decent fight against a mid Diamond player? Because that's probably a good representation of the skill gap between 2500 and IdrA..... It might actually be more severe than that.....
I really dont think thats a good comparison. A gold level player is probably stuck in the gold division because of his/her lack of fundamentals. They wont do a good job scouting, they'll not keep up with marco, or their cheesey tactics stop working at higher levels. A 2500+ diamond player has enough games under their belt (probably) to have a decent game sense, have a decent build order, and a good response to certain compositions. I dont understand why you feel so uneasy at the fact that a progamer may not just completely face-roll another person who plays the game a lot. If look at their win/loss records, they actually have losses on the ladder.
A lot of subtle things that 2500 pt Diamonds do wrong are definitely fundimentals for higher level play..... Just like decent macro and micro is a fundimental for being 2500 pts..... It's the same freaking thing.....
Granted, it'll be less likely that a 2500 pt player will outright die in 7 minutes, however, that does not mean the game is any less one-sided.....
2 RAX HIS ALL 3 GAMES IN A ROW!!!!!( just so you can tell all your friends "i beat idra in a bo3!!! yup three Oed him big time i am so good look at me look at me")
On December 22 2010 11:38 MassHysteria wrote: Read his answer to that troller before you ask him the same thing...he isn't forcing anyone to watch who isn't interested so no need for the comments.
Q: Putting aside the issue of the skill-ceiling being higher in SC1, are there any SC1 players that you see having fairly-instant success if they were to switch to SC2?
Good luck nayebo! If anything make sure you have fun
Mumming: How did your parents react, when you, 18 years old or so, told them, you would move to Korea to become a progamer?
Killykill: How much time do you think it will take Starcraft 2 to reach the balance level of Brood War, if ever?
Volcanis: How confident are you in the next GSL? Do you think you will be among the top 2 in your group with oGsEnsnare, CheckPrime.WE and Jinro in your bracket? Which player in your group do you expect the most challenge from and how are you preparing against this match up?
Lesphoques: How would you rate HuK's protoss and overall game sense? Does he have a decent chance of having a run similar to Jinro's?
Le BucheRON: What is your opinion on the current state of game balance, both racial balance as well as map balance? What changes do you think are necessary to the current map pool to improve balance? Should major tournaments start using their own maps?
Herofighter: how many hours do you practice a day?
mr_tolkien: Who do you think was the WORST player qualified to the GSL to this day?
masshysteria: If it was up to you to decide the 4 foreigners that will be recommended for the second GSL code-A tournament, who would you choose (if any)? And any particular reason(s) why?
dircamonopole: What sort of additions and changes would you like to see in the future expansions?
masshysteria: Putting aside the issue of the skill-ceiling being higher in SC1, are there any SC1 players that you see having fairly-instant success if they were to switch to SC2?
So many misconceptions about IdrA, he's a nice guy he just hates losing to gimmicky play, and who doesn't? He's not going to BM in front of a big audience to a guy that payed him to play. -__- Should be fun.
On December 20 2010 01:55 Durp wrote: Half of the questions people have listed and you're planning to possibly ask IdrA he's already answered in interviews, which are posted on TL.net. New questions that haven't been asked might be a better idea, since it opens up a NEW can of worms for IdrA to talk about.
oGsMC said during his championship interview for GSL3 that had he played Terran he'd have won 3 GSL's already. Do you agree with him, that it's just a fundamentally easier race? And, if so, why aren't you playing Terran to go for the "Free wins?"
My friend, he has answered that question ages ago. "self-respect"
I can't wait to watch. Thanks for doing this! It's great that IdrA is willing (of course with money involved) but still, lots of fun for people that love watching sc2!
On December 23 2010 00:24 Mainland wrote: This is pretty awesome. Next time anyone wants to try this, consider being cocky and arrogant for the sake of the storyline.
It's not to late to change! OP, send some aggresive messages to IdrA claiming that you have improved miles since challenge accepted. And that you will crush him, with a smile on your face.
On December 22 2010 04:06 HanSoo wrote: I don't think $150 is overpriced.
$50 is joke and way undervalues what his time is worth. High tier poker coaches charge in excess of $500/hr and even the mid-tier quality coaches charge $75-125.
Coaching from elite level players is a niche market. It targets a very specific type of player in a very specific point in their gaming careers. It is NOT for the general population to get better. In order to get anything out of a coaching session with IdrA you would need to already be very good. You would need to have no major faults in your play but instead you might be having trouble with a specific match up or need advice on how to better execute a build.
This is something that would be an excellent use of time with an elite player. You're basically paying to pick their brain on something that only they would know, or something that could expedite your learning process significantly (high level tips and tricks).
Any run of the mill Computer Programmer can bill $50/hr. Heck, many high school kids charge that once they build up a decent skill set.
Poker coaches can charge more because professional poker is a well-established game with huge amounts of money in it, even at a local level. Even the more minor tournaments have GSL sums of cash on the line.
Similarly, programmers can charge a lot because the end result of finished websites/software is a profit. If I hire a web developer to make my business' site, I'll earn it back and then a lot more. Very few people make good money off SC and none of them are actively coached by other players.
It's a simple case of supply and demand tbh not even getting into what is established or not. What people will pay is what they think his time is worth. If IdrA can only afford time for 2-3 hours a week for coaching lessons and only 2-3 people a week are willing to pay $150 or whatever sum of money for those hours then he has set his price point correctly.
If that time was worth $500 an hour in their eyes and someone out there is willing to pay that. Then it is up to whoever is receiving the coaching to feel that $500 was worth that time from IdrA to coach them.
I think IdrA may enjoy early aggression, the quicker the match is over the more $/minute he made. To my knowledge it's a set price to play a Bo3, doesn't matter if the series lasts 10 minutes or 1 hour; he gets paid the same.
On December 23 2010 02:27 rastaban wrote: were there any Vods or could some one who saw it post a synopsis?
On December 23 2010 02:53 Ipp wrote: I think IdrA may enjoy early aggression, the quicker the match is over the more $/minute he made. To my knowledge it's a set price to play a Bo3, doesn't matter if the series lasts 10 minutes or 1 hour; he gets paid the same.
I cant wait to get home from work, have a few beers, smoke a fatty bowl around 930, sit back and watch this thing, then sleep forever officially beginning my vacation.
Have to give props to NaYeBo for coming up with a really good idea. After IdrA put up a sign at GosuCoaching, I was curious if anyone would pay the money just to play against a top level pro.
So, good luck, hope you get to ask some good questions after getting flattened. And all the better if you can take a game off him.
Not trying to take away from this topic at all, but I believe QXC and I setup a similar arrangement for mid-January, for anyone that is interested in this sort of thing. :D
On December 19 2010 07:40 wooozy wrote: it's IdrA, not IdRa
:S
that aside, good luck!
Actually... it's Grack.
Good Luck, I hope he'll take it somewhat easier on you to make it more interesting. For sure it'll be cool to see how a high diamond fares against a real pro.
The louder caster on RagequitTV needs to slow down or something. He's somehow messing up everything he's saying by having his intonations like 4 syllables behind everything he's saying >.>
I'm guessing IdrA was playing a bit nice on that second game - I only caught the second name.
On December 23 2010 12:16 dapierow wrote: how much did this one hour cost him?
24 C per second
Come on Fa1nT help the people out! 24 cents per second is $150 per hour, which is IdrA's publicly stated coaching rate. However, I don't know if IdrA is charging more because it is being casted.
On December 23 2010 12:36 hinnolinn wrote: I think the saying is anybody can have the "face" for radio.
That isnt what he was trying to say.
I know that wasn't what he was trying to say, but it was a bastardization of a well known idea to poke fun at somebody for having a speech impediment. I chose to ignore that and just correct the actual original idea.
On December 23 2010 12:36 hinnolinn wrote: I think the saying is anybody can have the "face" for radio.
That isnt what he was trying to say.
I know that wasn't what he was trying to say, but it was a bastardization of a well known idea to poke fun at somebody for having a speech impediment. I chose to ignore that and just correct the actual original idea.
I had to close this stream. The sound mixing was full of mistakes. First of all, the caster with the speech impediment was set at a very high volume, while the meek caster was set very low. They claimed that Skype wasn't working, but they should have had that sorted out before the cast. Terrible music clips were played at more than one point, a highly annoying maneuver for which there is no excuse.
On December 23 2010 12:50 Zealotdriver wrote: I had to close this stream. The sound mixing was full of mistakes. First of all, the caster with the speech impediment was set at a very high volume, while the meek caster was set very low. They claimed that Skype wasn't working, but they should have had that sorted out before the cast. Terrible music clips were played at more than one point, a highly annoying maneuver for which there is no excuse.
Calm down, this isnt some high profile tourney with huge production values. Just enjoy the games.
On December 23 2010 12:50 Zealotdriver wrote: I had to close this stream. The sound mixing was full of mistakes. First of all, the caster with the speech impediment was set at a very high volume, while the meek caster was set very low. They claimed that Skype wasn't working, but they should have had that sorted out before the cast. Terrible music clips were played at more than one point, a highly annoying maneuver for which there is no excuse.
Well there arent any in-game sounds on, so go ahead and mute and stream if so pleases
Very entertaining, Thank you Gracken and Neyobo (and your cuz) for doing this!! Casting was great too! Eye of the tiger and benny hill music made me rofl! Please do more stuff like this guys! It was SO GOOD!
Not sure what I think of it. Entertaining to watch games and the chat between players, but not entertaining to see the obvious "issue" with all-ins that Terran can do and how effective they are.
Thanks for streaming the hour, I hope to see another one in January since I'm too much of a cheap skate to shell out for such high profile lessons myself.
my stream lags everytime theres a big fight, nayebo pushes out with a deadly ball twice which i see it to be impossible to be held off, then suddenly stream lagged, and the next thing i know, idra cleared it off.... without a single baneling..... how did idra did that? y did the stream have to lag everytime it comes to a big fight.... zzzz
Hilarious, even better after watch the Huk vs IdrA as they streamed last night such BM. Held your own and really liked your build on DQ if you release a replay pack let us all know!
Please remember that this is a showmatch. Lets just thank nayebo for this. He played really well at the same time as this was super entertaining. Idra is starting to seem like more and more of a great guy than some bm kid (which i never thought he was).
Great games. I'm actually quite surprised NaYeBo took 2 games off of him, even if IdrA wasn't playing to his fullest. I do have to agree that NaYeBo threw away a great position in the final game by not seiging his tanks, but hey, this is just for fun! Thanks for streaming this, I had a blast watching it.
Great show. Lots of fun, nice banter, lots of laugh. Thanks guys. Next time you should challenge to IdrA to offrace. Looking forward to you January rematch.
On December 23 2010 13:13 Djeez wrote: lol, Code S really doesn't mean shit against the almighty SCV all-ins. I do have to agree with Idra when he said that this game is fucking ridiculous.
At least NaYeBo apologized for playing that race. :D
great show! can't wait for the next one in january, hopefully with an interview as well. It was also nice to see IdrA's recommendations at some points. casting was excellent too.
and congrats to NaYeBo for a very impressive performance!
Haha, it's so funny that Nayebo actually apologized for playing that race.
EG should do some kind of show out of this, like giving the opportunity to some regular player to play a bo3 against Idra just for fun. I think it could be pretty epic and good publicity for EG, considering it's something pretty easy to organize I believe.
Edit: I realized that would be kinda like a TL Attack but based on Idra... "Grack Attack" maybe?
Idra may have called the first loss a bit early, but I doubt it. On this thread and other like-threads people are trying to take away from the wins by labeling them. Koreans did the same thing to Idra just because they recognize his late game ability.
It would be one thing if Nayebo was going heavy rax against some dude on the ladder of like-rank, that's a bit of a dice-roll. However, Korean players know to pressure/cheese/allin Idra, and if you're Idra you know to expect it. So basically it's not as much of a dice roll. Idra got to where he was by being able to withstand cheesy tactics, and he got beat. It was entertaining and inspiring.
I won't kid myself, there were a lot of factors playing into why the first cheese could win. If I just built 80 banelings and rolled someone after getting so far in the GSL I'd go a little easy the next game too. If someone paid me I'd let them cheese me SO hard.
Thanks for watching, I heard the stream on RAGEQUIT went great.
Thank you IDRA for being the nice guy people fail to realize you are.
Thank you RAGEQUIT for casting the games, I heard you guys were great.
Thank you to my cousin for sponsoring the event.
Thank you VIEWERS for watching
And most importantly, thankyou goes out to dazed, reese, ddk3, cool, isaint, solid, tennent, volcanis, twopence, and all the mods that helped my stream, if i forgot anyone IM SO sorry!!!
And if you had bad things to say about the event, why even bother posting. Nothing will make you trolls happy... atleast i got your time in the game and u care about me enough to post !
On December 23 2010 17:25 NaYeBo wrote: Hey everyone!
Thanks for watching, I heard the stream on RAGEQUIT went great.
Thank you IDRA for being the nice guy people fail to realize you are.
Thank you RAGEQUIT for casting the games, I heard you guys were great.
Thank you to my cousin for sponsoring the event.
Thank you VIEWERS for watching
And most importantly, thankyou goes out to reese, ddk3, cool, isaint, solid, tennent, volcanis, twopence, and all the mods that helped my stream, if i forgot anyone IM SO sorry!!!
And if you had bad things to say about the event, why even bother posting. Nothing will make you trolls happy... atleast i got your time in the game and u care about me enough to post !
GG HF - see you all january!
Thanks for putting this on! It was much better than I expected, can't wait to see the next one. Also, good job taking those two games : p
On December 23 2010 18:20 Opticity wrote: Can't believe I missed this just because I didn't know what 10pm EST is in my timezone (GMT+8). Grats on taking 2 games though.
Also, will there be VODs?
i think ragequit will be posting vods , im not sure tho, ill find out
I caught the event, I wasn't originally going to tune in but nothing else was on so meh. however it turned out better than I expected, When I first heard of it, I said 'oh man its going to be like watching IdrA comp stomp' boring...however it was nice to see the unexpected. congrats on the wins and Good going, I think next time if you can win a late game 30min+ in Jan I would be impressed. Catching IdrA off guard early has always been his downfall and you did indeed manage to find his weakness. GG none the less and I hope to hear some good news next time
VoDs are already up at RagequitTV. At least some of them: (But I guess I missed something because suddenly there is a Bo7 between IdrA and NaYeBo instead of the announced Bo3.)
On December 23 2010 19:02 JmCw wrote: VoDs are already up at RagequitTV. At least some of them: (But I guess I missed something because suddenly there is a Bo7 between IdrA and NaYeBo instead of the announced Bo3.)
On December 23 2010 22:54 Danjoh wrote: Since they didn't record the last game, anyone mind posting a recap of what happened?
They played this on Jungle Basin. Nayebo went for a marine tank push without stim or siege mode. This got held off by muta ling. As IdrA was taking his 3rd and 4th at the same time, Nayebo went for another marine tank push, reinforcing with all of his scv's. Idra was able to clean it up with his muta-ling once more.
On December 23 2010 14:42 TsoBadGuy wrote: Idra may have called the first loss a bit early, but I doubt it. On this thread and other like-threads people are trying to take away from the wins by labeling them. Koreans did the same thing to Idra just because they recognize his late game ability.
It would be one thing if Nayebo was going heavy rax against some dude on the ladder of like-rank, that's a bit of a dice-roll. However, Korean players know to pressure/cheese/allin Idra, and if you're Idra you know to expect it. So basically it's not as much of a dice roll. Idra got to where he was by being able to withstand cheesy tactics, and he got beat. It was entertaining and inspiring.
I won't kid myself, there were a lot of factors playing into why the first cheese could win. If I just built 80 banelings and rolled someone after getting so far in the GSL I'd go a little easy the next game too. If someone paid me I'd let them cheese me SO hard.
Awesome show
It was awesome to watch, I won't take that away from it. But idra had surely not lost that game, he had 9 workers, 4 roaches, 2 queens and 3 zlings vs 2 scvs,7 rauders and a hellion. Don't really understand why he didn't throw down 2-3 spines when he saw those rauders in nayebo's base. That being said, a better player than nayebo could've made that push a lot more deadly, microing the hellions around instead of having them at the frontline taking the hits and getting the worst AoE.
I really think idra needs to start working on his gg timings... It really feels like he has thrown out a bunch of possible wins always gging so early.
Just to clear things up. Skype was down, we had to use mumble which which created two issues, for some reason it was lagged between us two so hard to keep a fluid cast going - it is like cocasting off the stream everything is a few seconds behind.
Additionally, both of us never really use mumble; I cranked sheek to 100% and my mic is set to 4% and the sound was still off. Sheek couldn't find out where to increase his volume I guess.
Lastly, all my sound levels are designed to use Skype; I tried to fix it on the fly which probably screwed things up between gamesounds and me.
Well hopefully that clears things up, regardless I had a blast hope you guys did too.
On December 24 2010 00:22 Pulimuli wrote: who the hell would play $150 for 1hour of starcraft 2? maybe from Flash in sc:bw but not from anyone in sc2 at this moment ;s
anyway gl and hf!
His cousin paid for it which makes me think it was a Christmas present. This is actually a really ingenious present. Sounds like his cousin has some extra money laying around and instead of spending it on something NaYeBo would use and discard a few weeks later he gave him a memory that will last forever. How many people can say they played IdrA?
I'm surprised yet somehow not surprised that you took off two games off Idra! I don't feel so bad about losing to a gold terran now as he ebay blocked me into 2 rax into 5 rax....
On December 23 2010 23:21 Ipp wrote: Just to clear things up. Skype was down, we had to use mumble which which created two issues, for some reason it was lagged between us two so hard to keep a fluid cast going - it is like cocasting off the stream everything is a few seconds behind.
Additionally, both of us never really use mumble;.
Google Talk ist actually pretty good and pretty easy to use.
this was fun to watch, good job! just wanted to say that the capitalization looks SO wrong as IdRa....haha I dont think I've ever seen anything but IdrA
On December 23 2010 23:21 Ipp wrote: Just to clear things up. Skype was down, we had to use mumble which which created two issues, for some reason it was lagged between us two so hard to keep a fluid cast going - it is like cocasting off the stream everything is a few seconds behind.
Additionally, both of us never really use mumble;.
Google Talk ist actually pretty good and pretty easy to use.
If you had mentioned something in the forums here that you needed a communication tool before hand I bet you would have had about a dozen ventrillo servers offered as well! I know I would have let you use mine.
I only caught the last two games, but the funny convos between the two players were very entertaining! Great games.
On December 23 2010 17:25 NaYeBo wrote: Hey everyone!
Thanks for watching, I heard the stream on RAGEQUIT went great.
Thank you IDRA for being the nice guy people fail to realize you are.
Thank you RAGEQUIT for casting the games, I heard you guys were great.
Thank you to my cousin for sponsoring the event.
Thank you VIEWERS for watching
And most importantly, thankyou goes out to reese, ddk3, cool, isaint, solid, tennent, volcanis, twopence, and all the mods that helped my stream, if i forgot anyone IM SO sorry!!!
And if you had bad things to say about the event, why even bother posting. Nothing will make you trolls happy... atleast i got your time in the game and u care about me enough to post !
GG HF - see you all january!
Thank you! Very creative idea and i thoroughly enjoyed it.
On December 23 2010 23:21 Ipp wrote: Just to clear things up. Skype was down, we had to use mumble which which created two issues, for some reason it was lagged between us two so hard to keep a fluid cast going - it is like cocasting off the stream everything is a few seconds behind.
Additionally, both of us never really use mumble; I cranked sheek to 100% and my mic is set to 4% and the sound was still off. Sheek couldn't find out where to increase his volume I guess.
Lastly, all my sound levels are designed to use Skype; I tried to fix it on the fly which probably screwed things up between gamesounds and me.
Well hopefully that clears things up, regardless I had a blast hope you guys did too.
On December 19 2010 08:30 Pandain wrote: how much did you pay him
probably the $150 an hour he charges for his coaching fee or something
who the hell would play $150 for 1hour of starcraft 2? maybe from Flash in sc:bw but not from anyone in sc2 at this moment ;s
anyway gl and hf!
Anyone with the money and the desire to do so, i would if i had extra cash too. I would seriously pay for an hour with idra over going out or anything if i had 150 to blow. Its cool what they did here with the showmatch and in the end everyones happy.
On December 19 2010 08:30 Pandain wrote: how much did you pay him
probably the $150 an hour he charges for his coaching fee or something
who the hell would play $150 for 1hour of starcraft 2? maybe from Flash in sc:bw but not from anyone in sc2 at this moment ;s
anyway gl and hf!
Anyone with the money and the desire to do so, i would if i had extra cash too. I would seriously pay for an hour with idra over going out or anything if i had 150 to blow. Its cool what they did here with the showmatch and in the end everyones happy.
On December 19 2010 12:14 peachsncream wrote: 150 an hour is way over priced
ya know, there is really no such thing as "overpriced" without a context of a single person or a group of people. What may be too much for you may be worth the money for someone else. It's for each individual to decide. There is no such thing as "overpriced", period, regardless of whom is it of value to.
It's really as simple as: How much does IdrA's time worth at the moment for him and how much is someone out there willing to pay for it.
EPT
I will definitely be tuning in, I can never get enough of watching IdrA play, he almost makes me want to switch to Zerg everytime.
No offense lol.
and lots of BM
/facepalm .
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