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CherubDown
United States171 Posts
Anyway it works great for photon cannon rush cheese, but I imagine there could possibly be other uses for it. The best way to explain it is to post a video, so here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnhrbSvYgm4 Edit: In case you're interested in the replay for strategy purposes: Replay | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
i remember artosis being shocked because he didn't know it could be done | ||
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AlphaWave
United States23 Posts
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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CherubDown
United States171 Posts
On December 17 2010 17:39 awu25 wrote: i think choyafou did this in the GSL i remember artosis being shocked because he didn't know it could be done Really? This is the first time it was brought to my attention, so I thought I'd make a thread. | ||
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Durn
Canada360 Posts
Not particularly game breaking though, in my opinion. | ||
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SweetLou
Germany12 Posts
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Blaize
United States91 Posts
On December 17 2010 17:40 AlphaWave wrote: Let's all hope Blizzard patches this hack. This is far from a Hack, and from what I can tell you've watched little to no Brood War, if you had you would know this was from BW aswell. | ||
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Hammertime
Australia77 Posts
i think choyafou did this in the GSL i remember artosis being shocked because he didn't know it could be done Yeah, that's right, he cannon-contained someone and then used the trick to squeeze the probe in. It's been around for a while, iirc. | ||
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AlphaWave
United States23 Posts
On December 17 2010 17:43 Blaize wrote: This is far from a Hack, and from what I can tell you've watched little to no Brood War, if you had you would know this was from BW aswell. Only noobs played Brood War. User was warned for this post | ||
Empyrean
17056 Posts
Pretty nifty glitch that's useful in some situations. | ||
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sksyen
United States359 Posts
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Empyrean
17056 Posts
On December 17 2010 17:45 sksyen wrote: enjoy it while u can I really don't think Blizzard's going to change this mechanic, but who knows. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On a side note, that has been around for a while, and yes, ChoyafOu did this in GSL, but Tastless' vision only skirts it, you see the probe going into the main and the leftovers from the cancled Pylon. Anyways, it exists at least since release. | ||
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estee
Korea (South)449 Posts
Here's the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172251 | ||
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CherubDown
United States171 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
So you are calling almost every player in the GSL a noob? Probably half of TL too which played BW at some point? BW is harder than sc2.... have some respect for people playing BW since they are also dedicated enough to play such an old game for so long. | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4532 Posts
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
wow get this guy out of here the skill required for BW is so much higher | ||
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KonohaFlash
Canada1590 Posts
13 posts and this is the type of stuff you post? haha. | ||
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Empyrean
17056 Posts
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statez
Australia101 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On December 17 2010 17:42 SweetLou wrote: I thought Blizzard will patch something so the pylon chocke block would not be possible anymore...? So this might not work after the patch? they really didn't change it much. it still only takes 3 2x2 buildings to block a choke, the ONLY difference is that now instead of being able to attack the cannon with only 1 melee unit, you can use 2. but that is pretty nifty | ||
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
Should it be patched? not in my opinion because you can design maps around these type of things which makes the game more interesting. | ||
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
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AlphaWave
United States23 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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wooozy
3813 Posts
On December 17 2010 17:48 Empyrean wrote: I really don't think Blizzard's going to change this mechanic, but who knows. they won't change the mechanic, but blocking a ramp with two pylons isn't possible anymore in 1.2 | ||
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RaptureLights
50 Posts
As for patching, they cannot patch it. | ||
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confusedcrib
United States1307 Posts
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5784 Posts
On December 17 2010 18:11 AlphaWave wrote: I'm sorry if I offended anyone by my statement. However, it is only my opinion and I will still stand behind it. I hope that one day we can act as a community and share diverse opinions without the threat of verbal assaults. How is "only noob played BW" not a verbal assault? Idiot. | ||
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ev8
United States112 Posts
On December 17 2010 17:55 CherubDown wrote: I don't believe this is actually "patchable." The motion the probe makes when a building is laid down near it is a fundamental to all sc2 units. Probes are the only unit that "lays down" buildings. How could the motion be fundamental to all units? Not that I think it should be patched out, it has value for spectators and players. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8247 Posts
On December 17 2010 18:35 maybenexttime wrote: How is "only noob played BW" not a verbal assault? Idiot. I have to agree. You can't just come into a community and call 70% of them for "noobs". OT: Its a nice trick, but this isn't game breaking even in the slightest. Even in that video alone, you can clearly see that he could just have cancled the second cannon and moved the probe through, and the situation would be exactly the same. On top of that: if that probe dies, you have lost the game. | ||
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CherubDown
United States171 Posts
On December 17 2010 18:38 ev8 wrote: Probes are the only unit that "lays down" buildings. How could the motion be fundamental to all units? Not that I think it should be patched out, it has value for spectators and players. That same motion happens when you have zerglings in the way of a hatchery - the motion is due to building placement. And it happens with all units. | ||
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MetalSlug
Germany443 Posts
Nice trick, i wish it would stay ... | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50756 Posts
On December 17 2010 18:11 AlphaWave wrote: I'm sorry if I offended anyone by my statement. However, it is only my opinion and I will still stand behind it. I hope that one day we can act as a community and share diverse opinions without the threat of verbal assaults. You call it an opinion,but its a fact that your statement is utterly false. I hope this kind of stuff doesn't get patched yet....I don't see this as very game breaking since the pylon change. | ||
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peachsncream
United States289 Posts
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AlphaWave
United States23 Posts
On December 17 2010 18:49 BLinD-RawR wrote: You call it an opinion,but its a fact that your statement is utterly false. I hope this kind of stuff doesn't get patched yet....I don't see this as very game breaking since the pylon change. I respect yours and everyone else's opinions. | ||
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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
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Krallin
France431 Posts
On December 17 2010 17:39 awu25 wrote: i think choyafou did this in the GSL i remember artosis being shocked because he didn't know it could be done So did HongUnPrime in his game vs Fruitdealer where he made a brilliant wall in his base to buy time for his VRs to save him the game. Just look for the thread "Pimpest plays" of Sc2 or something like that, it's there, the "Hongun Wall" game | ||
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TheDoctor
66 Posts
On December 17 2010 19:09 Krallin wrote: So did HongUnPrime in his game vs Fruitdealer where he made a brilliant wall in his base to buy time for his VRs to save him the game. Just look for the thread "Pimpest plays" of Sc2 or something like that, it's there, the "Hongun Wall" game pimpest plays?... this has been done millions of times in broodwar... they just tried in sc2 and wala! it worked..now people making videos and pimpest plays on it? sheesh sc2 people | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On December 17 2010 19:16 TheDoctor wrote: pimpest plays?... this has been done millions of times in broodwar... they just tried in sc2 and wala! it worked..now people making videos and pimpest plays on it? sheesh sc2 people Not everyone has played BW. Newcomers need to learn tricks as well. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
this is the oldest trick in the book lol, have u guys ever played the BW map "monte hall"? You basically NEED this trick to scout lol | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On December 17 2010 19:16 TheDoctor wrote: pimpest plays?... this has been done millions of times in broodwar... they just tried in sc2 and wala! it worked..now people making videos and pimpest plays on it? sheesh sc2 people The "pimpest play" being referred to isn't the probe being pushed through, but the fact that HongUn managed to hold off a rush, having no units, for quite a while by continually building structures further and further back. While, yes, this may be possible in brood war too, it was pretty awesome to watch. Less sc2 hate please. On topic - I saw this in the choya game, and was wondering how he did this. Thanks! | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5784 Posts
On December 17 2010 19:27 Treadmill wrote: The "pimpest play" being referred to isn't the probe being pushed through, but the fact that HongUn managed to hold off a rush, having no units, for quite a while by continually building structures further and further back. While, yes, this may be possible in brood war too, it was pretty awesome to watch. Less sc2 hate please. On topic - I saw this in the choya game, and was wondering how he did this. Thanks! You're talking about a different play. ^______^;; | ||
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Qweasdzxc
215 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On December 17 2010 19:35 maybenexttime wrote: You're talking about a different play. ^______^;; No, pretty sure he used the probe pushed through trick in the same game (I may have to re-watch and check though) - my point was that using probe pushed through wasn't what was special about the game. | ||
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Qweasdzxc
215 Posts
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Ancient.eu
Romania621 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Well in bw the bug was okay since it worked for all 3 races, atleast through mineral patches. Well terran could land barracks and squeeze alot of units through a mineral patch or i think spidermines worked as well. I think now only toss could do it and maybe terran with a bit of scw movement luck. | ||
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Daria
Australia500 Posts
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
I used this alot in PvZ when I had Steppes not voted down. On shakuras it can be very good when you open forge first and your oponent hatches first. This way you can get a probe in to scout what he is doing. Is he droning, is he expanding at the back? Is he trying to blingbust? With the information you get by sending a probe in this way you can easily counter everything while expanding and outmacroing :p EDIT: In bw this was also very common. Some map layouts were made so that you needed the trick to scout or rush your opponent. | ||
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
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Leviwtf
174 Posts
I dont see them as game breaking in any way but I can see how they were "unintended" | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
Wasnt there a big discussion about this not too long ago? Whats the point of opening a new thread? | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On December 17 2010 17:40 AlphaWave wrote: Let's all hope Blizzard patches this hack. lol BW FTW. This was in BW no Hack. Its gonna stay trust me. | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
I didn't know this was possible in SC2 still. I play Zerg so I never really thought about it, but I guess it's something I'll have to watch out for when Protoss blocks my ramp :O | ||
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
On December 18 2010 01:20 purecarnagge wrote: I think they are fixing it in this upcoming patch..they are changing it to where to completely block off you would need 3 pylons so 300 mineral investment plus the 150 for cannon. honestly though 2 zealots would work more effectively. They're fixing the wall-off issue, but I hope they don't fix this little trick. It's not necessarily cheesy, and it adds a bit of depth to the game. It's nice seeing when the pros have all sorts of tricks up their sleeves. And also, "glitching" units to go where they shouldn't has been around for ages, and is an important strategy point to be aware of. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On another note, this isn't a hack. | ||
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simme123
Sweden810 Posts
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