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Hi All,
Carbon it seem you have a bug in your build order :
2:35.00: 350M 0G 0E 15/ 19S - Build SCV
2:35.00: 300M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Orbital Command
dont know if you noticed that ... 
See ya
On December 02 2010 14:10 CarbonTwelve wrote:I believe jonv11 might still have a few things to sort out with his app as this isn't the fastest build time. Here's what my app gets for the same requirements: + Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 11S - Build SCV
0:19.00: 73M 0G 0E 7/ 11S - Build SCV
0:36.00: 106M 0G 0E 8/ 11S - Build SCV
0:53.00: 150M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Build SCV
0:53.03: 100M 0G 0E 10/ 11S - Build Supply Depot
1:10.00: 91M 0G 0E 10/ 11S - Build SCV
1:27.00: 147M 0G 0E 11/ 19S - Build SCV
1:34.04: 150M 0G 0E 12/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
1:44.00: 67M 0G 0E 12/ 19S - Build SCV
2:01.00: 149M 0G 0E 13/ 19S - Build SCV
2:18.00: 244M 0G 0E 14/ 19S - Build SCV
2:35.00: 350M 0G 0E 15/ 19S - Build SCV
2:35.00: 300M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Orbital Command
2:35.00: 150M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Marine
2:40.16: 150M 0G 0E 17/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
2:50.59: 100M 0G 0E 17/ 19S - Build Supply Depot
3:00.00: 88M 0G 0E 17/ 19S - Build Marine
3:03.76: 75M 0G 0E 18/ 19S - Build Refinery
3:10.00: 56M 0G 50E 18/ 19S - Build SCV
3:10.00: 6M 0G 50E 19/ 19S - Calldown MULE
3:16.34: 75M 0G 4E 19/ 19S - Build Refinery
3:25.00: 99M 0G 8E 19/ 27S - Build Marine
3:27.00: 73M 0G 10E 20/ 27S - Build SCV
3:33.76: 109M 0G 13E 21/ 27S - Move SCV To Gas
3:33.76: 109M 0G 13E 21/ 27S - Move SCV To Gas
3:40.16: 186M 6G 17E 21/ 27S - Build Marine
3:41.29: 150M 7G 18E 22/ 27S - Build Barracks (Naked)
3:41.29: 0M 7G 18E 22/ 27S - Move SCV To Gas
3:46.16: 50M 15G 20E 22/ 27S - Build SCV
3:46.16: 0M 15G 20E 23/ 27S - Move SCV To Gas
3:46.16: 0M 15G 20E 23/ 27S - Move SCV To Gas
3:50.62: 50M 26G 23E 23/ 27S - Build Barracks Tech Lab
3:50.62: 0M 1G 23E 23/ 27S - Move SCV To Gas
4:05.16: 158M 52G 31E 23/ 27S - Build Marine
4:05.16: 108M 52G 31E 24/ 27S - Build Supply Depot
4:09.34: 50M 67G 33E 24/ 27S - Build SCV
4:18.61: 100M 100G 39E 25/ 27S - Research Stimpack
4:18.61: 0M 0G 39E 25/ 27S - Move SCV To Minerals
4:26.34: 88M 24G 43E 25/ 27S - Build SCV
4:30.16: 84M 35G 45E 26/ 27S - Build Marine
4:35.58: 100M 52G 48E 27/ 35S - Build Marauder
4:38.89: 41M 37G 50E 29/ 35S - Calldown MULE
4:38.89: 41M 37G 0E 29/ 35S - Move SCV To Minerals
4:41.29: 71M 42G 1E 29/ 35S - Build Barracks Tech Lab
4:43.34: 52M 22G 3E 29/ 35S - Build SCV
4:50.17: 100M 39G 6E 30/ 35S - Build Supply Depot
4:55.16: 68M 51G 9E 30/ 35S - Build Marine
5:05.58: 167M 77G 15E 31/ 35S - Build Marauder
5:07.79: 100M 57G 16E 33/ 35S - Build Marauder
5:20.17: 183M 63G 23E 35/ 43S - Build SCV
5:20.17: 133M 63G 23E 36/ 43S - Build Marine
5:20.17: 83M 63G 23E 37/ 43S - Research Concussive Shells
5:24.72: 100M 24G 26E 37/ 43S - Build Supply Depot
5:35.58: 157M 50G 32E 37/ 43S - Build Marauder
5:35.58: 57M 25G 32E 39/ 43S - Move SCV To Gas
5:38.59: 100M 33G 34E 39/ 43S - Build Marauder
5:38.59: 0M 8G 34E 41/ 43S - Move SCV To Gas
5:42.14: 50M 20G 36E 41/ 43S - Build SCV
5:45.66: 50M 33G 38E 42/ 43S - Build Marine
5:59.14: 191M 81G 45E 43/ 51S - Build SCV
6:05.58: 239M 104G 49E 44/ 51S - Build Marauder
6:07.78: 172M 87G 50E 46/ 51S - Calldown MULE
6:08.59: 185M 90G 0E 46/ 51S - Build Marauder
6:10.66: 117M 72G 2E 48/ 51S - Build Marine
6:16.14: 154M 92G 5E 49/ 51S - Build SCV
Waypoint 1 satisfied:
6:38.61: 462M 172G 17E 50/ 51S
Income: 988M 215G
Buildings: 2 Refinery 3 Barracks 1 Orbital Command
Units: 26 SCV 10 Marine 7 Marauder
Research: Stimpack Concussive Shells Also note, there's an issue with my system atm in that it doesn't know it can build marines at a barracks with a tech lab, plus I haven't implemented reactors yet, so it's almost certain that there's an even faster build possible. Cleraly I haven't quite got the Terran module ready for release yet, but should have it ready by tonight (~5-6 hours).
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This is a really great tool, thank you very much for working on it!
I have one request - can we have the option to designate a worker to serve as a scout? Say as part of a goal is to relegate a worker to go scouting at the 14 food mark. The assumption would be that the scout would not come back to mine minerals or gas.
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On December 03 2010 02:53 bruteMax wrote:
This is a really great tool, thank you very much for working on it!
I have one request - can we have the option to designate a worker to serve as a scout? Say as part of a goal is to relegate a worker to go scouting at the 14 food mark. The assumption would be that the scout would not come back to mine minerals or gas.
One of the other optimizer authors did this by adding "non-working" scvs (well, drones or probes). The program doesn't have to actually account for what he IS doing, just that he has costs and doesn't generate income.
On another note, a not-more-than and not-less-than feature would help a lot. Examples:
/< 10 marines, so it will look for a build that achieves 10 marines but will prefer any build with equal or greater efficiency that achieves more than 10 marines.
/> 0 refineries, 0 engineering bays, etc so it doesn't even attempt builds that use things you already know you don't want/need.
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On December 02 2010 22:38 jonv11 wrote:Hi All, Carbon it seem you have a bug in your build order : 2:35.00: 350M 0G 0E 15/ 19S - Build SCV 2:35.00: 300M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Orbital Command dont know if you noticed that ... See ya
Yeah, someone pointed that out to me  It's been fixed though.
This is what I've currently got as the best for 26 SCVs, 10 marines 7 marauders, although I could've sworn last night I had a build at 6:36 for it...
+ Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 11S - Build SCV
0:19.00: 73M 0G 0E 7/ 11S - Build SCV
0:36.00: 106M 0G 0E 8/ 11S - Build SCV
0:53.00: 150M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Build SCV
0:53.03: 100M 0G 0E 10/ 11S - Build Supply Depot
1:10.00: 91M 0G 0E 10/ 11S - Build SCV
1:27.00: 147M 0G 0E 11/ 19S - Build SCV
1:34.04: 150M 0G 0E 12/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
1:44.00: 67M 0G 0E 12/ 19S - Build SCV
2:01.00: 149M 0G 0E 13/ 19S - Build SCV
2:01.00: 99M 0G 0E 14/ 19S - Build Refinery
2:18.00: 154M 0G 0E 14/ 19S - Build SCV
2:34.04: 241M 0G 0E 15/ 19S - Build Marine
2:34.04: 191M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Move SCV To Gas
2:34.04: 191M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Move SCV To Gas
2:35.00: 199M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Orbital Command
2:46.37: 150M 13G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
2:59.04: 105M 29G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Barracks Tech Lab
3:10.00: 150M 18G 50E 16/ 19S - Build SCV
3:10.06: 100M 18G 50E 17/ 19S - Build Supply Depot
3:10.06: 0M 18G 50E 17/ 19S - Move SCV To Gas
3:24.04: 96M 43G 58E 17/ 19S - Build Marine
3:24.04: 46M 43G 58E 18/ 19S - Calldown MULE
3:27.00: 67M 49G 10E 18/ 19S - Build SCV
3:44.00: 199M 81G 19E 19/ 27S - Build SCV
3:46.37: 176M 86G 20E 20/ 27S - Build Marine
3:49.04: 159M 91G 22E 21/ 27S - Build Marauder
3:52.34: 100M 72G 24E 23/ 27S - Build Supply Depot
4:01.00: 103M 89G 29E 23/ 27S - Build SCV
4:07.00: 129M 100G 32E 24/ 27S - Research Stimpack
4:11.37: 85M 8G 35E 24/ 27S - Build Marine
4:18.00: 121M 21G 38E 25/ 27S - Build SCV
4:23.93: 150M 32G 42E 26/ 35S - Build Barracks (Naked)
4:35.00: 144M 53G 48E 26/ 35S - Build SCV
4:38.89: 148M 61G 50E 27/ 35S - Calldown MULE
4:38.89: 148M 61G 0E 27/ 35S - Build Marine
4:39.00: 100M 61G 0E 28/ 35S - Build Marauder
4:48.23: 150M 53G 5E 30/ 35S - Build Barracks (Naked)
4:52.00: 60M 61G 7E 30/ 35S - Build SCV
5:09.00: 264M 93G 17E 31/ 35S - Build SCV
5:09.00: 214M 93G 17E 32/ 35S - Build Marauder
5:09.00: 114M 68G 17E 34/ 35S - Build Supply Depot
5:11.72: 50M 73G 18E 34/ 35S - Build Barracks Tech Lab
5:23.93: 172M 71G 25E 34/ 35S - Build Marine
5:39.00: 348M 100G 34E 35/ 43S - Build Marauder
5:39.00: 248M 75G 34E 37/ 43S - Build Marauder
5:39.10: 149M 50G 34E 39/ 43S - Research Concussive Shells
5:39.14: 100M 0G 34E 39/ 43S - Build Supply Depot
5:42.66: 50M 7G 36E 39/ 43S - Build SCV
5:48.23: 84M 17G 39E 40/ 43S - Build Marine
5:49.29: 50M 19G 40E 41/ 43S - Build Marine
5:59.66: 163M 39G 45E 42/ 43S - Build SCV
6:07.78: 245M 54G 50E 43/ 43S - Calldown MULE
6:09.14: 268M 57G 1E 43/ 51S - Build Marauder
6:09.14: 168M 32G 1E 45/ 51S - Build Marauder
6:13.23: 138M 15G 3E 47/ 51S - Build Marine
6:14.29: 106M 17G 4E 48/ 51S - Build Marine
6:16.66: 95M 21G 5E 49/ 51S - Build SCV
Waypoint 2 satisfied:
6:39.29: 427M 64G 18E 50/ 51S
Income: 1024M 114G
Buildings: 1 Refinery 4 Barracks 1 Orbital Command 2 Tech Lab
Units: 26 SCV 10 Marine 7 Marauder
Research: Stimpack Concussive Shells
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On December 03 2010 05:42 CarbonTwelve wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 22:38 jonv11 wrote:Hi All, Carbon it seem you have a bug in your build order : 2:35.00: 350M 0G 0E 15/ 19S - Build SCV 2:35.00: 300M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Orbital Command dont know if you noticed that ... See ya Yeah, someone pointed that out to me It's been fixed though. This is what I've currently got as the best for 26 SCVs, 10 marines 7 marauders, although I could've sworn last night I had a build at 6:36 for it... + Show Spoiler + 0:02.00: 50M 0G 0E 6/ 11S - Build SCV
0:19.00: 73M 0G 0E 7/ 11S - Build SCV
0:36.00: 106M 0G 0E 8/ 11S - Build SCV
0:53.00: 150M 0G 0E 9/ 11S - Build SCV
0:53.03: 100M 0G 0E 10/ 11S - Build Supply Depot
1:10.00: 91M 0G 0E 10/ 11S - Build SCV
1:27.00: 147M 0G 0E 11/ 19S - Build SCV
1:34.04: 150M 0G 0E 12/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
1:44.00: 67M 0G 0E 12/ 19S - Build SCV
2:01.00: 149M 0G 0E 13/ 19S - Build SCV
2:01.00: 99M 0G 0E 14/ 19S - Build Refinery
2:18.00: 154M 0G 0E 14/ 19S - Build SCV
2:34.04: 241M 0G 0E 15/ 19S - Build Marine
2:34.04: 191M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Move SCV To Gas
2:34.04: 191M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Move SCV To Gas
2:35.00: 199M 0G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Orbital Command
2:46.37: 150M 13G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Barracks (Naked)
2:59.04: 105M 29G 0E 16/ 19S - Build Barracks Tech Lab
3:10.00: 150M 18G 50E 16/ 19S - Build SCV
3:10.06: 100M 18G 50E 17/ 19S - Build Supply Depot
3:10.06: 0M 18G 50E 17/ 19S - Move SCV To Gas
3:24.04: 96M 43G 58E 17/ 19S - Build Marine
3:24.04: 46M 43G 58E 18/ 19S - Calldown MULE
3:27.00: 67M 49G 10E 18/ 19S - Build SCV
3:44.00: 199M 81G 19E 19/ 27S - Build SCV
3:46.37: 176M 86G 20E 20/ 27S - Build Marine
3:49.04: 159M 91G 22E 21/ 27S - Build Marauder
3:52.34: 100M 72G 24E 23/ 27S - Build Supply Depot
4:01.00: 103M 89G 29E 23/ 27S - Build SCV
4:07.00: 129M 100G 32E 24/ 27S - Research Stimpack
4:11.37: 85M 8G 35E 24/ 27S - Build Marine
4:18.00: 121M 21G 38E 25/ 27S - Build SCV
4:23.93: 150M 32G 42E 26/ 35S - Build Barracks (Naked)
4:35.00: 144M 53G 48E 26/ 35S - Build SCV
4:38.89: 148M 61G 50E 27/ 35S - Calldown MULE
4:38.89: 148M 61G 0E 27/ 35S - Build Marine
4:39.00: 100M 61G 0E 28/ 35S - Build Marauder
4:48.23: 150M 53G 5E 30/ 35S - Build Barracks (Naked)
4:52.00: 60M 61G 7E 30/ 35S - Build SCV
5:09.00: 264M 93G 17E 31/ 35S - Build SCV
5:09.00: 214M 93G 17E 32/ 35S - Build Marauder
5:09.00: 114M 68G 17E 34/ 35S - Build Supply Depot
5:11.72: 50M 73G 18E 34/ 35S - Build Barracks Tech Lab
5:23.93: 172M 71G 25E 34/ 35S - Build Marine
5:39.00: 348M 100G 34E 35/ 43S - Build Marauder
5:39.00: 248M 75G 34E 37/ 43S - Build Marauder
5:39.10: 149M 50G 34E 39/ 43S - Research Concussive Shells
5:39.14: 100M 0G 34E 39/ 43S - Build Supply Depot
5:42.66: 50M 7G 36E 39/ 43S - Build SCV
5:48.23: 84M 17G 39E 40/ 43S - Build Marine
5:49.29: 50M 19G 40E 41/ 43S - Build Marine
5:59.66: 163M 39G 45E 42/ 43S - Build SCV
6:07.78: 245M 54G 50E 43/ 43S - Calldown MULE
6:09.14: 268M 57G 1E 43/ 51S - Build Marauder
6:09.14: 168M 32G 1E 45/ 51S - Build Marauder
6:13.23: 138M 15G 3E 47/ 51S - Build Marine
6:14.29: 106M 17G 4E 48/ 51S - Build Marine
6:16.66: 95M 21G 5E 49/ 51S - Build SCV
Waypoint 2 satisfied:
6:39.29: 427M 64G 18E 50/ 51S
Income: 1024M 114G
Buildings: 1 Refinery 4 Barracks 1 Orbital Command 2 Tech Lab
Units: 26 SCV 10 Marine 7 Marauder
Research: Stimpack Concussive Shells
Many many thanks to jonv11 and CarbonTwelve for bringing Jim Raynor's boys from stone age to the information age! Golden times are coming!
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Hi all
new version is out (0.5)
improving logic
improving ui
correcting bugs
adding scouting actions in build order tester
improvements and bugs : http://code.google.com/p/sc2bof/
See you ^^
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Great, thanks for all the work that you've put into this tool! I used it for a few minutes and didn't come up with any funky stuff, will play around w it more later.
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How do add a scout to the BO ?
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now you can only add it manually via the Build Order Tester (Edit -> Build Order)
an option in the configuration form will be added shortly (so it can be used by the Build Order Finder)
in the mean time i'd like to know which format you'd like to export/import build orders ?
So please tell me what you think
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I haven't kept up on all the output format discussions going on, but I would be content with:
• allow copy+past of the build order with income/supply/building count etc etc etc, whichever ones a user selects
• an option to save build orders, as well as some means of comparing them (so the human can notice where improvements can be made and do so manually)
Don't know what to say as far as importing, but I'll try out the new version in awhile. Great work!
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do you think it would be possible to have an option to hide building workers if possible
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On December 05 2010 01:12 jonv11 wrote:now you can only add it manually via the Build Order Tester (Edit -> Build Order) an option in the configuration form will be added shortly (so it can be used by the Build Order Finder) in the mean time i'd like to know which format you'd like to export/import build orders ? So please tell me what you think
Carbon hasn't implemented this yet, but it looks like he will be using .xml files. It would be great if you could import files between the two!
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On December 05 2010 15:26 Requisition wrote:
Carbon hasn't implemented this yet, but it looks like he will be using .xml files. It would be great if you could import files between the two!
Yeah, that's what I was planning to do, although I was expected to use the internal IDs to keep the file a bit smaller. Using text would make it more portable though (and probably safer in case the IDs change anyway).
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we can both agree on common ids (numbers or string) so our users will be happy
keep me posted on your changes i'll keep using my formats but will add yours too
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You guys should really try to combine... with the manpower between both of you it would be amazing.. granted competition is what keeps these getting better and better.. so either way I am happy haha (= great work you two.
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Just curious, how realistic are the times posted by the optimizer? Does it account for mining time lost by traveling to locations to build the structures such as when trying to wall off? I understand that its nearly impossible to achieve the exact times shown due to human factors but should I expect to add maybe 20~30 seconds because of that or does the program compensate for this? I mean even if you don't wall off theres still fractions of seconds time lost due to traveling which add up over the build right?
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Thumbs up for the effort. Right now my only source of build orders to to steal from pro replays. Programs like these kinds gives us a good starting point.
Question: Does this take into account the addl income from a fast expo when i say 2 Command centers.
Also it seems to make only 15 to 16 scvs in all my runs.
EDIT: Nvm , found the auto make scvs and mule call down in the Edit > configuration section.
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Any chance in adding the export build order options to the File menu and/or adding a help/about menu to explain all the options?
*a bit lost*
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Hi guys,
I'm currently updating the software to reflect the lasts updates (as all buildorder software seems to stagnate)
Do you have any new feature request ?
Thanks
(ill try to post info about the development as often as possible)
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