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chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
November 23 2010 01:09 GMT
#61
On November 23 2010 07:16 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 04:16 chadissilent wrote:
On November 23 2010 03:31 Barook wrote:
On November 23 2010 03:23 MaiYoH wrote:
It's interesting to see mTwDIMAGA make this list with only 84 wins. While I would agree with Blizzard that he deserves to be in the top 200 in NA, his position with so few games played makes me even more curious as to how Blizzard actually determines who makes their top 200.

He's in a S-Rank league (means +0 modifier) and has enough points to qualify. Look it up in Excalibur's thread, it's an interesting read.

The division modifier is completely BS IMO, and I'm not sure it's an actual true representation of skill. I have a friend in the top 100 on SC2 ranks that didn't crack the top 200 here. He plays players like Sheth, EnvY, etc. and is usually even with them or they are slightly favored against him. He beat EnvY (even match), who is fairly high on that list, has more points than envy, but is in a "worse" division therefore does not crack the list? That's a load of bullshit if you ask me.

This isn't an isolated case, either. He plays a lot of the guys on the top200, as even matches, and beats many of them.


You actually have it completely backwards. The division modifier changes your ladder points, and not your top 200 points. So if your friend has the same number of points as people in the top 200, but isn't there, it just means he's worse than them but in a low tier division, so his points look the same. I don't like the system either, but it's certainly not screwing your friend out of a position in the top 200, instead it's just making him look higher on the ladder than he actually is.

He beats players in the top200 regularly.
ThePowerHour
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States834 Posts
November 23 2010 01:09 GMT
#62
On November 23 2010 08:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On November 23 2010 04:20 SheaR619 wrote:
Who is cheese? I see him in every top 200 NA but i never really see him in tournament. I see him a few time on Trump stream but everytime i see him play he always seem to 4 gate and play very cheesy. I also saw him probe rush Trump once -.-. So hmm.....who is he anyways?


So he plays really standard AND plays really cheesy from time to time?

Isn't this... how everyone plays?

But yeah, who is Cheese? I haven't heard of him, and as a Protoss player, I'm definitely interested in hearing about the top Protoss players!

Cheese is a really strong Protoss going to UCSD. You can find him in the CSL lists. I've met him a couple times and he's a cool guy too.
Congrats Cheese, keep up the great work!
(UCSD fighting!)
TadH
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1846 Posts
November 23 2010 13:38 GMT
#63
inflowmini fighting
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 23 2010 13:43 GMT
#64
On November 23 2010 10:09 chadissilent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 07:16 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
On November 23 2010 04:16 chadissilent wrote:
On November 23 2010 03:31 Barook wrote:
On November 23 2010 03:23 MaiYoH wrote:
It's interesting to see mTwDIMAGA make this list with only 84 wins. While I would agree with Blizzard that he deserves to be in the top 200 in NA, his position with so few games played makes me even more curious as to how Blizzard actually determines who makes their top 200.

He's in a S-Rank league (means +0 modifier) and has enough points to qualify. Look it up in Excalibur's thread, it's an interesting read.

The division modifier is completely BS IMO, and I'm not sure it's an actual true representation of skill. I have a friend in the top 100 on SC2 ranks that didn't crack the top 200 here. He plays players like Sheth, EnvY, etc. and is usually even with them or they are slightly favored against him. He beat EnvY (even match), who is fairly high on that list, has more points than envy, but is in a "worse" division therefore does not crack the list? That's a load of bullshit if you ask me.

This isn't an isolated case, either. He plays a lot of the guys on the top200, as even matches, and beats many of them.


You actually have it completely backwards. The division modifier changes your ladder points, and not your top 200 points. So if your friend has the same number of points as people in the top 200, but isn't there, it just means he's worse than them but in a low tier division, so his points look the same. I don't like the system either, but it's certainly not screwing your friend out of a position in the top 200, instead it's just making him look higher on the ladder than he actually is.

He beats players in the top200 regularly.

doesn't change the fact that he has less actual points then people listed in top 200?
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 23 2010 13:48 GMT
#65
On November 23 2010 03:08 Cade)Flayer wrote:
10 Randoms?! You don't see that much on KR or EU servers.


Day[9] smurfing.
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
November 23 2010 14:00 GMT
#66
On November 23 2010 10:09 chadissilent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 07:16 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
On November 23 2010 04:16 chadissilent wrote:
On November 23 2010 03:31 Barook wrote:
On November 23 2010 03:23 MaiYoH wrote:
It's interesting to see mTwDIMAGA make this list with only 84 wins. While I would agree with Blizzard that he deserves to be in the top 200 in NA, his position with so few games played makes me even more curious as to how Blizzard actually determines who makes their top 200.

He's in a S-Rank league (means +0 modifier) and has enough points to qualify. Look it up in Excalibur's thread, it's an interesting read.

The division modifier is completely BS IMO, and I'm not sure it's an actual true representation of skill. I have a friend in the top 100 on SC2 ranks that didn't crack the top 200 here. He plays players like Sheth, EnvY, etc. and is usually even with them or they are slightly favored against him. He beat EnvY (even match), who is fairly high on that list, has more points than envy, but is in a "worse" division therefore does not crack the list? That's a load of bullshit if you ask me.

This isn't an isolated case, either. He plays a lot of the guys on the top200, as even matches, and beats many of them.


You actually have it completely backwards. The division modifier changes your ladder points, and not your top 200 points. So if your friend has the same number of points as people in the top 200, but isn't there, it just means he's worse than them but in a low tier division, so his points look the same. I don't like the system either, but it's certainly not screwing your friend out of a position in the top 200, instead it's just making him look higher on the ladder than he actually is.

He beats players in the top200 regularly.

He also regularly loses to them. What you have to show is that he wins more than 50% of the time against people in the top 200 and he has a higher win percentage against people outside of the top 200 than the people in the top 200 have against people outside of the top 200. If he consistently performs with those higher win percentages and doesn't break the top 200, that'd be a problem. Focusing on a handful of games among 1000+ and giving a shit about matchmaking rating (the thing that helps determine who is favored) are sure ways to get the wrong idea.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
November 23 2010 17:52 GMT
#67
On November 23 2010 22:38 TadH wrote:
inflowmini fighting

Love seeing Minigun so high he really does play heavy macro style and is willing to experiment which makes him so good to watch.
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
November 23 2010 18:07 GMT
#68
On November 23 2010 23:00 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 10:09 chadissilent wrote:
On November 23 2010 07:16 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
On November 23 2010 04:16 chadissilent wrote:
On November 23 2010 03:31 Barook wrote:
On November 23 2010 03:23 MaiYoH wrote:
It's interesting to see mTwDIMAGA make this list with only 84 wins. While I would agree with Blizzard that he deserves to be in the top 200 in NA, his position with so few games played makes me even more curious as to how Blizzard actually determines who makes their top 200.

He's in a S-Rank league (means +0 modifier) and has enough points to qualify. Look it up in Excalibur's thread, it's an interesting read.

The division modifier is completely BS IMO, and I'm not sure it's an actual true representation of skill. I have a friend in the top 100 on SC2 ranks that didn't crack the top 200 here. He plays players like Sheth, EnvY, etc. and is usually even with them or they are slightly favored against him. He beat EnvY (even match), who is fairly high on that list, has more points than envy, but is in a "worse" division therefore does not crack the list? That's a load of bullshit if you ask me.

This isn't an isolated case, either. He plays a lot of the guys on the top200, as even matches, and beats many of them.


You actually have it completely backwards. The division modifier changes your ladder points, and not your top 200 points. So if your friend has the same number of points as people in the top 200, but isn't there, it just means he's worse than them but in a low tier division, so his points look the same. I don't like the system either, but it's certainly not screwing your friend out of a position in the top 200, instead it's just making him look higher on the ladder than he actually is.

He beats players in the top200 regularly.

He also regularly loses to them. What you have to show is that he wins more than 50% of the time against people in the top 200 and he has a higher win percentage against people outside of the top 200 than the people in the top 200 have against people outside of the top 200. If he consistently performs with those higher win percentages and doesn't break the top 200, that'd be a problem. Focusing on a handful of games among 1000+ and giving a shit about matchmaking rating (the thing that helps determine who is favored) are sure ways to get the wrong idea.

You make a good point. Things would just be so much easier if they didn't discriminate based on divisions. A point should be a point, regardless of the division you're in.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-25 03:34:41
November 25 2010 03:34 GMT
#69
So which one is Day9's smurf account. Attero at 79 is the highest ranked random, which isnt Day9, the next

NewDawn at 103

Scvrusher 111

BigMac 113

Dayvie 119 (obviously not)

Makoplux 137

Arena 146


Any guessers? =P

unless he secretly picked a race =P
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Decko
Profile Joined May 2010
United States150 Posts
November 25 2010 06:05 GMT
#70
On November 25 2010 12:34 Darpa wrote:
So which one is Day9's smurf account. Attero at 79 is the highest ranked random, which isnt Day9, the next

NewDawn at 103

Scvrusher 111

BigMac 113

Dayvie 119 (obviously not)

Makoplux 137

Arena 146


Any guessers? =P

unless he secretly picked a race =P


My guess is none of them, he's so busy I doubt he plays enough to make it into the top 200. I'm sure he's very good, but damn does is that guy everywhere at once.
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