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On November 23 2010 04:50 Treehead wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 03:44 milkncheese wrote:
Everyone is saying 'poor toss, poor toss', but toss are #1 and #2. And if you look at the top 20, its
8 Protoss
7 Zerg
5 Terran
Quantity does not equal quality If I showed you 7 sets of ladder distributions and tournament results saying that toss are underrepresented at the top levels of performance, you'd say you weren't convinced because of toss placing in tournaments, or doing well on other continents, or for some other reason. Yet you accept the idea that they are adequately represented based on a similarly small set of data. This seems inconsistent. Do you have more data to support this argument, or did you decide this was all you needed. By a similar token, I could claim global warming is a farce because it's cold out today. Also, I'm curious as to how the phrase "Quantity does not equal quality" supports your argument? Are you familiar with the concept that small sample sizes reflect the true state of things less often than large sample sizes, and thus the top 5, top 20, top 50 will always be less meaningful than the top 100, top 500 and top 1000?
the problem with the sample size logic is that the balance issues that apply to top 10 players are completely different from top 1000.
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Anyone know if boyardee is actually naniwa?
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don't know about pvt, but zvp is fine. in 99% of the replays out there where the toss lost against the zerg, after watching the replay I will be able to almost instantly point out a major mistake or missed opportunity of the protoss player.
may sound weird, but there are very few protoss who've got zerg figured out. most just don't play good enough.
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On November 23 2010 04:16 chadissilent wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 03:31 Barook wrote:On November 23 2010 03:23 MaiYoH wrote:
It's interesting to see mTwDIMAGA make this list with only 84 wins. While I would agree with Blizzard that he deserves to be in the top 200 in NA, his position with so few games played makes me even more curious as to how Blizzard actually determines who makes their top 200. He's in a S-Rank league (means +0 modifier) and has enough points to qualify. Look it up in Excalibur's thread, it's an interesting read. The division modifier is completely BS IMO, and I'm not sure it's an actual true representation of skill. I have a friend in the top 100 on SC2 ranks that didn't crack the top 200 here. He plays players like Sheth, EnvY, etc. and is usually even with them or they are slightly favored against him. He beat EnvY (even match), who is fairly high on that list, has more points than envy, but is in a "worse" division therefore does not crack the list? That's a load of bullshit if you ask me. This isn't an isolated case, either. He plays a lot of the guys on the top200, as even matches, and beats many of them.
Your friend needs to play a lot more games and/or have a higher win percentage. Accumulating points is the only thing that matters.
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On November 23 2010 03:22 dambros wrote:
Who kicked SeleCT out of GSL? Jesus look at his win ratio and the amount of games... Dont get how it's possible to have those numbers comparing with the rest lol
Big difference between ladder and events.
Example: Vs high-quality players he wins 70% of the time we'll say. And vs pro-gamers he wins 20% of the time(just giving example chill out peeps). So his record on ladder will show completly different results than what his record vs the highest calibre of players will be.
Being 2500 on the ladder doesn't mean as much compared to versing the quality of opponents at these events.
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Damn, dropped 30 spots 
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Glad TTone can represent the toss!
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On November 23 2010 04:58 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 04:16 chadissilent wrote:On November 23 2010 03:31 Barook wrote:On November 23 2010 03:23 MaiYoH wrote:
It's interesting to see mTwDIMAGA make this list with only 84 wins. While I would agree with Blizzard that he deserves to be in the top 200 in NA, his position with so few games played makes me even more curious as to how Blizzard actually determines who makes their top 200. He's in a S-Rank league (means +0 modifier) and has enough points to qualify. Look it up in Excalibur's thread, it's an interesting read. The division modifier is completely BS IMO, and I'm not sure it's an actual true representation of skill. I have a friend in the top 100 on SC2 ranks that didn't crack the top 200 here. He plays players like Sheth, EnvY, etc. and is usually even with them or they are slightly favored against him. He beat EnvY (even match), who is fairly high on that list, has more points than envy, but is in a "worse" division therefore does not crack the list? That's a load of bullshit if you ask me. This isn't an isolated case, either. He plays a lot of the guys on the top200, as even matches, and beats many of them. Your friend needs to play a lot more games and/or have a higher win percentage. Accumulating points is the only thing that matters.
Over 900 games played, 55% win% and comfortably over 2500pts.
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On November 23 2010 05:42 Arcanne wrote:
Katari = mTw-Ghostridah from wc3
Damn, really?
Blast from the past! Used to love watching that guy play. 
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On November 23 2010 04:57 heishe wrote:
don't know about pvt, but zvp is fine. in 99% of the replays out there where the toss lost against the zerg, after watching the replay I will be able to almost instantly point out a major mistake or missed opportunity of the protoss player.
may sound weird, but there are very few protoss who've got zerg figured out. most just don't play good enough.
you see, thats the problem with almost all of you guys. the protoss didnt play perfect, he made a mistake, he deserved to lose.
you actually know, that every zerg makes mistakes, too? and guess what, every pvz the toss won, i could easily as hell point out the big massive mistake the zerg did or a big awesome missed opportunity.
so its all balanced right?
its not about making mistakes in terms of balance, its about getting punished harder or less hard for them.
and pvz is a complete mess right now, you cant make any judgements about balance in this matchup right now, maybe it only needs time, maybe a change, only time will show. guess what, after zergies got their precious roach range upgrade (which was propably necessary though) and the zealots have been nerfed even further, this matchup got completely turned upside down for protoss.
i´m not saying, youre wrong, but i´m saying your argumentation is plain wrong and nothing like that stupid l2p shit, that every fucking toss or terran threw at zergs head back in the days where you were thoroughly underpowered.
the whiners from yesterday are the l2p flamers from tomorrow. damn people need to learn smth. about objectivity.
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Gretorp is so handsome :3
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Do people not know the definition of rage? I'm frothing at the mouth here.
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On November 23 2010 04:16 chadissilent wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 03:31 Barook wrote:On November 23 2010 03:23 MaiYoH wrote:
It's interesting to see mTwDIMAGA make this list with only 84 wins. While I would agree with Blizzard that he deserves to be in the top 200 in NA, his position with so few games played makes me even more curious as to how Blizzard actually determines who makes their top 200. He's in a S-Rank league (means +0 modifier) and has enough points to qualify. Look it up in Excalibur's thread, it's an interesting read. The division modifier is completely BS IMO, and I'm not sure it's an actual true representation of skill. I have a friend in the top 100 on SC2 ranks that didn't crack the top 200 here. He plays players like Sheth, EnvY, etc. and is usually even with them or they are slightly favored against him. He beat EnvY (even match), who is fairly high on that list, has more points than envy, but is in a "worse" division therefore does not crack the list? That's a load of bullshit if you ask me. This isn't an isolated case, either. He plays a lot of the guys on the top200, as even matches, and beats many of them.
You actually have it completely backwards. The division modifier changes your ladder points, and not your top 200 points. So if your friend has the same number of points as people in the top 200, but isn't there, it just means he's worse than them but in a low tier division, so his points look the same. I don't like the system either, but it's certainly not screwing your friend out of a position in the top 200, instead it's just making him look higher on the ladder than he actually is.
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Awesome, after migrating from SEA server I finally cracked into the top 200 at #130
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On November 23 2010 03:26 kYem wrote:grats Gretorp, i see why he don't stream any more, still hopefully he will in future I miss his sweet voice ;D
Me too, hes my favorite streamer by a mile and yet he never streams anymore. Sad Face. Glad to see him in top 10, He'll be a big presence at MLG next year!
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On November 23 2010 04:20 SheaR619 wrote:
Who is cheese? I see him in every top 200 NA but i never really see him in tournament. I see him a few time on Trump stream but everytime i see him play he always seem to 4 gate and play very cheesy. I also saw him probe rush Trump once -.-. So hmm.....who is he anyways?
So he plays really standard AND plays really cheesy from time to time?
Isn't this... how everyone plays?
But yeah, who is Cheese? I haven't heard of him, and as a Protoss player, I'm definitely interested in hearing about the top Protoss players!
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CombatEx #140 o.O
I think a chill vs combatex rematch would be one sided so many dreams crushed.
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