EPTSC2 Ladder Analysis: Division Tiers - Page 28
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
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Comma20
Australia138 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:13 SDream wrote: You said it "must" exist. I am saying it could still be a e ranked division, no problem. TheMuscle is #1 in my division Tassadar Upsilon. He has 2435 points. The lowest player in a S-Division has 2002 Points. Therefore there is a point difference of 2435 - 2002 = 433 points. This is greater that both the E-Rank (315) and F-Rank (378) divisions... Got it? | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:13 Silidons wrote: Is there any way to find out what division Muadun Echo is on NA? it's new, i just joined it. It's not a new division, no sir. Also, if they don't appear on top 200, we can't guess, unless it's really new and we know all other divisions offsets, so we could put them in groups and see which group was filled to justify a new division. So, no, we can't find out it. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:23 Comma20 wrote: TheMuscle is #1 in my division Tassadar Upsilon. He has 2435 points. The lowest player in a S-Division has 2002 Points. Therefore there is a point difference of 2435 - 2002 = 433 points. This is greater that both the E-Rank (315) and F-Rank (378) divisions... Got it? I got it from the beggining, my friend. There are also other prerequisites that could be hindering him from getting on top 200. Therefore this division offset could still be F, E etc. That alone is not proof that it's a rank G. Got it? | ||
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:25 SDream wrote: It's not a new division, no sir. Also, if they don't appear on top 200, we can't guess, unless it's really new and we know all other divisions offsets, so we could put them in groups and see which group was filled to justify a new division. So, no, we can't find out it. ah i see it's about a month old, i guess not many are active. in the top 15 almost everyone has a recent join date (within a week) so i assumed everyone was close, but i did see some 11/28's in there. there was only like 40 or so people when i joined, i guess it takes some time to fill up? | ||
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veK1g
United States48 Posts
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
Felanis Phi fighting! | ||
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Comma20
Australia138 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:28 SDream wrote: I got it from the beggining, my friend. There are also other prerequisites that could be hindering him from getting on top 200. Therefore this division offset could still be F, E etc. That alone is not proof that it's a rank G. Got it? Sorry, I'm being a little bullheaded. I think the word must is probably a bad choice. Doing some backwards reading, using SC2Ranks Graphs and the fact that my division -did- have 1 player (KingSphere) in the 7th of December Top200. His points value was that of an E Division compared to those above and below him. So I'm more curious about your thoughts. -IF- My division is an E ranked division what is stopping TheMuscle from being Top200 and what more importantly is stopping Me from being Top200. Thoughts? | ||
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Buruguduy
Philippines238 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:46 Comma20 wrote: Sorry, I'm being a little bullheaded. I think the word must is probably a bad choice. Doing some backwards reading, using SC2Ranks Graphs and the fact that my division -did- have 1 player (KingSphere) in the 7th of December Top200. His points value was that of an E Division compared to those above and below him. So I'm more curious about your thoughts. -IF- My division is an E ranked division what is stopping TheMuscle from being Top200 and what more importantly is stopping Me from being Top200. Thoughts? Unused bonus pool points from the lowest top 200 players? | ||
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Comma20
Australia138 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:51 Buruguduy wrote: Unused bonus pool points from the lowest top 200 players? Definitely a huge consideration. | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On December 22 2010 20:51 Buruguduy wrote: Unused bonus pool points from the lowest top 200 players? Definitely not related with unspent bonus points. It's probably related with their MMR moving average not being where Blizzard requires it to be in order to make them elegible for top 200. But we can't confirm it, it could be other unknown problem. | ||
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dtz
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Excalibur_Z
United States12263 Posts
On December 22 2010 21:13 SDream wrote: Definitely not related with unspent bonus points. It's probably related with their MMR moving average not being where Blizzard requires it to be in order to make them elegible for top 200. But we can't confirm it, it could be other unknown problem. Yeah I still think this is a possibility. If TheMuscle has an MMR moving average below the rest of the top 200 then maybe his points don't qualify him. I don't want to say definitively that that is the case, but we have seen prior anomalies that appear to point toward that conclusion. | ||
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Neo.NEt
United States785 Posts
Somebody make me look stupid so I can understand this please. Note: I am not 100-0 or anything like that and I will never even be close to the top 200... I just don't get this. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12263 Posts
On December 24 2010 04:45 Neo.NEt wrote: Am I crazy or is this division modifier horribly flawed? Let's say I didn't play any 1v1's until the game had been out for a month. I'm going to get put in a brand new, terrible division even if I'm undefeated. I could never lose a game and I'd have a huge division modifier. What? No, that's completely wrong. How are you drawing this conclusion? New divisions of all tiers -- even S-Rank ones -- are created all the time. I really need to update the OP and spell out for people that the ages of the divisions are completely irrelevant because for some strange reason people aren't understanding. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On December 24 2010 04:45 Neo.NEt wrote: Am I crazy or is this division modifier horribly flawed? Let's say I didn't play any 1v1's until the game had been out for a month. I'm going to get put in a brand new, terrible division even if I'm undefeated. I could never lose a game and I'd have a huge division modifier. What did I do to deserve that? They put people in divisions so fast and since they can't replace you.. how does that say anything about how good you are? Does the fact that I'm in a horrible division have anything to do with who I play? If I'm 100-0 in a terrible division and somebody else is 90-10 in a really good division, how is that guy any better than my 100-0 if you don't play people in your division anyway??? Somebody make me look stupid so I can understand this please. Note: I am not 100-0 or anything like that and I will never even be close to the top 200... I just don't get this. Most likely you are been placed to S-class division if go high win count and low loss count when you are at platinum division phase. So losing "on purpose" might get you faster to diamond division but not S-class nor A-class but rather to E-class etc. | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
On December 26 2010 05:02 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Most likely you are been placed to S-class division if go high win count and low loss count when you are at platinum division phase. So losing "on purpose" might get you faster to diamond division but not S-class nor A-class but rather to E-class etc. That is a fantastic point and it might answer some important questions from the first period of the game: 1. Why did it take so long for DeMuslim to reach Diamond? DeMuslim was clearly showing some amazing scores. Most likely he was a S-class player at so high a level that he could not be promoted to an A-class division. Had he been loosing more he might have been eligible for other division tiers and therefore faster promotion. 2. What is the criteria for moving up into a diamond division? As DeMuslims example has shown, there are more than just a MMR-criteria for when you are moving up! To form a new division there needs to be atleast some people in it bring a basic competition into the game, thus a number of people, that could be 10, 15 or 20 people having a MMR inside the target area, may be needed to form the basis of a new division! It could be interesting to know if the MMR-criteria for division tiers overlap and by how much. Of course this is pure speculation by now. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10383 Posts
I very much appreciate this! Good work :D | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
http://www.sc2ranks.com/div/45199/division-gorn-kilo It's a european one, too bad you didn't do any work on that :/ Sill great post, though ^^ | ||
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