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On November 18 2010 05:22 asdfTT123 wrote:
How do we know that the top 200 is based from adjusted points in the strength of your division? I'm asking because I've seen several platinum players in the top 200 - those that were stuck in plat b/c they hadn't accumulated enough losses for promotion (i.e. LiquidRet and aloOla a few weeks ago).
Also, how does blizzard base their ranking of divisions? For example, how do they know Kelerchian X-Ray/Medic Mu/Medivac Alamo are "better" division than others? Is this ranking based on MMR? If Blizzard can somehow quantify the rigor of each division, does that mean it's harder to gain points in an "S-class" division vs an A- or B-class?
I decided to make a new thread about it so it didn't get lost: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830
I have some guesses as to how it ranks divisions. It's got to be by MMR where if you're at a certain MMR level you'll get put in an S-Rank division, or A-Rank, or whatever. It doesn't really mean it's harder to gain points, just that your points are worth more. Those are good questions though. I think revealing the tiers answers a lot but also opens up more questions.
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On November 18 2010 05:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 05:22 asdfTT123 wrote:
How do we know that the top 200 is based from adjusted points in the strength of your division? I'm asking because I've seen several platinum players in the top 200 - those that were stuck in plat b/c they hadn't accumulated enough losses for promotion (i.e. LiquidRet and aloOla a few weeks ago).
Also, how does blizzard base their ranking of divisions? For example, how do they know Kelerchian X-Ray/Medic Mu/Medivac Alamo are "better" division than others? Is this ranking based on MMR? If Blizzard can somehow quantify the rigor of each division, does that mean it's harder to gain points in an "S-class" division vs an A- or B-class? I decided to make a new thread about it so it didn't get lost: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830I have some guesses as to how it ranks divisions. It's got to be by MMR where if you're at a certain MMR level you'll get put in an S-Rank division, or A-Rank, or whatever. It doesn't really mean it's harder to gain points, just that your points are worth more. Those are good questions though. I think revealing the tiers answers a lot but also opens up more questions.
Thanks, I'll take a read. But if Blizz is selectively placing you in different diamond divisions based off of MMR it basically refutes what they said during beta when they claimed that all divisions within a league are equal. I thought they placed players indiscriminately in divisions until they reached their maximum capacity.
Medic Mu and Medivac Alamo have many big names in NA, but I assumed this was the case because those were the first players to have laddered heavily to be placed in a diamond division, and therefore were placed in their divisions together by coincidence.
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On November 18 2010 05:43 asdfTT123 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 05:29 Excalibur_Z wrote:On November 18 2010 05:22 asdfTT123 wrote:
How do we know that the top 200 is based from adjusted points in the strength of your division? I'm asking because I've seen several platinum players in the top 200 - those that were stuck in plat b/c they hadn't accumulated enough losses for promotion (i.e. LiquidRet and aloOla a few weeks ago).
Also, how does blizzard base their ranking of divisions? For example, how do they know Kelerchian X-Ray/Medic Mu/Medivac Alamo are "better" division than others? Is this ranking based on MMR? If Blizzard can somehow quantify the rigor of each division, does that mean it's harder to gain points in an "S-class" division vs an A- or B-class? I decided to make a new thread about it so it didn't get lost: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830I have some guesses as to how it ranks divisions. It's got to be by MMR where if you're at a certain MMR level you'll get put in an S-Rank division, or A-Rank, or whatever. It doesn't really mean it's harder to gain points, just that your points are worth more. Those are good questions though. I think revealing the tiers answers a lot but also opens up more questions. Thanks, I'll take a read. But if Blizz is selectively placing you in different diamond divisions based off of MMR it basically refutes what they said during beta when they claimed that all divisions within a league are equal. I thought they placed players indiscriminately in divisions until they reached their maximum capacity. Medic Mu and Medivac Alamo have many big names in NA, but I assumed this was the case because those were the first players to have laddered heavily to be placed in a diamond division, and therefore were placed in their divisions together by coincidence.
That's what we all thought (me included), but they've actually been pretty clear in their message that divisions can't be directly compared. This completely explains why.
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On November 18 2010 05:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2010 04:55 GaussWaffle wrote:
I saw OrgA (#51) beat HasHe (top 10) twice in a row and receive +16 and +15 for those games. Which is fine considering their ranking positions. But then I saw OrgA also beat Zelniq (30s), and he only received 10 points...why is that the case if this list is based solely on MMR. Who or what are you responding to? Nobody said that the list is based on MMR. It isn't based on MMR. As a few people have said in this thread already, it's based on points adjusted for strength of division. And even though you're correct in arguing that the list isn't based on MMR, your evidence doesn't support it. Point change after a ladder match isn't based solely on MMR. Your point change is based on your opponent's MMR against your actual points and your opponent's point change is based on your MMR against your opponent's actual points.
It was an original question not related to any asked before in this thread
I wasn't aware of the strength of division aspect of this list. I PMed you Tyler if you could care to help explain the finer points of division strength as well as points earned from a match. Thanks
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On November 17 2010 13:53 DuFFmAn69 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 13:52 Adonisto wrote:On November 17 2010 13:51 DuFFmAn69 wrote:
i can confirm that katari is getting really good at his 4gate strat .. And where are you in the top 200 ? Oh that's right. #23 thx for noticing
Duffman I <3 you, this was the funniest exchange I've seen in months.
P.S. It's in the new Pony Tales magazine!
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you rly bumped this just to post that? zzzz
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