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On November 17 2010 14:04 Sero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 13:54 Adonisto wrote:On November 17 2010 13:53 DuFFmAn69 wrote:On November 17 2010 13:52 Adonisto wrote:On November 17 2010 13:51 DuFFmAn69 wrote:
i can confirm that katari is getting really good at his 4gate strat .. And where are you in the top 200 ? Oh that's right. #23 thx for noticing Usually people in the top 200 are more active than that on TL. Still not #1 though, am I right? Yeah, try to play it off like you're still right after getting shit on like that. lol
Like I'm still right ? I wasn't trying to be "right"... Whether you like it or not, the guy is still #1.
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On November 17 2010 14:22 Adonisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 14:04 Sero wrote:On November 17 2010 13:54 Adonisto wrote:On November 17 2010 13:53 DuFFmAn69 wrote:On November 17 2010 13:52 Adonisto wrote:On November 17 2010 13:51 DuFFmAn69 wrote:
i can confirm that katari is getting really good at his 4gate strat .. And where are you in the top 200 ? Oh that's right. #23 thx for noticing Usually people in the top 200 are more active than that on TL. Still not #1 though, am I right? Yeah, try to play it off like you're still right after getting shit on like that. lol Like I'm still right ? I wasn't trying to be "right"... Whether you like it or not, the guy is still #1.
Should have done your research before making that "Where are you in the top 200" jibe hm?
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On November 17 2010 14:22 Adonisto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 14:04 Sero wrote:On November 17 2010 13:54 Adonisto wrote:On November 17 2010 13:53 DuFFmAn69 wrote:On November 17 2010 13:52 Adonisto wrote:On November 17 2010 13:51 DuFFmAn69 wrote:
i can confirm that katari is getting really good at his 4gate strat .. And where are you in the top 200 ? Oh that's right. #23 thx for noticing Usually people in the top 200 are more active than that on TL. Still not #1 though, am I right? Yeah, try to play it off like you're still right after getting shit on like that. lol Like I'm still right ? I wasn't trying to be "right"... Whether you like it or not, the guy is still #1.
yah man ur right totally he's not #1 u got him man gj
ill just leave this here
DuFFmAn - 2559 world rank #185
http://sc2ranks.com/us/365700/DuFFmAn
Adonisto - 957 world rank #42,785
http://sc2ranks.com/us/438533/Adonisto
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Yeah you should look at the bonus pool before posting that, I don't even ladder on this account anymore (it's been 2 months+), nice try though... You got me man gj... No.
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On November 17 2010 14:10 Excalibur_Z wrote:This week's Top 200 also included the win-loss records of each player at the time of the snapshot, which means we can use their match histories on Battle.net to work backwards and determine their points. Here are the results. The bolded lines are verified entries, meaning I was able to confirm that their current point values properly matched up to their match history. The unbolded lines are entries that could not be verified because they've either played too many non-1v1s or more than 25 1v1 games such that I couldn't go far enough back in their history. Show nested quote +
Blizz Name Record Snapshot Rating Division
1 Katari 1102-671 2834 Kelerchian X-Ray
2 SeleCT 551-211 2794 Medic Mu
3 ROOTslush 604-357 2775 Medivac Alamo
4 TTOne 572-341 2734 Medic Mu
5 AlLaboUtyOu 650-459 2905 Ehlna Bravo
6 EGStrifeCro 475-310 2703 Akilae Omicron
7 Boyardee 365-199 2927 Urun Charlie
8 CrunCher 348-240 2664 Medic Mu
9 HasHe 861-632 2646 Medivac Alamo
10 Cheese 382-231 2645 Akilae Omicron
11 dKiLLeR 285-184 2639 Hartley Quest
12 LiquidHuK 479-170 2639 Medivac Alamo
13 Baz 1296-1091 2633 Argo Echo
14 MasterAsia 348-227 2623 Kelerchian X-Ray
14 ViBE 327-217 2623 Medic Mu
16 EGIdrA 227-82 2622 Medic Mu
17 OpTiKzErO 543-404 2530 Selendis Quest
18 ROOTqxc 314-124 2605 Observer Mars
19 Warden 731-606 2845 Boros Uncle
20 EGiNkA 419-280 2583 Medivac Alamo
21 Slurgi 417-338 2581 Talematros Eta
22 Cranklodocus 600-474 2570 Horner Chi
23 DuFFmAn 611-497 2569 Medivac Alamo
24 Perplexity 561-457 2568 Medivac Alamo
24 InflowMini 924-790 2883 Scout Kilo
26 ROOTdrewbie 269-131 2564 Medic Mu
27 nEAnS 573-424 2536 Medic Mu
28 Fenix 306-140 2558 Immortal Yankee
29 dde 318-229 2557 Turaxis Yankee
30 NamhciR 379-213 2580 Observer Mars
31 PainUser 260-118 2549 Pylon Kappa
32 BrokenRhythm 758-593 2547 Medic Pepper
33 TheZealot 104-53 2546 Overmind Victor
34 lovemyRM 470-405 2540 Nagglfar Zed
35 theognis 335-244 2661 Feld Lima
36 Zelniq 988-763 2442 Medivac Alamo
37 Denelorn 190-79 2545 Victory Bravo
38 Gretorp 309-214 2526 Immortal Yankee
39 DeAtHRoW 361-214 2521 Medic Mu
40 Kangwook 490-400 2772 Feld Delta
41 DalaiLameR 106-62 2518 Uraj Dixie
42 InflowLooky 831-715 2488 Medivac Alamo
42 JJYAN 201-98 2512 Medivac Juliet
44 Mankeyz 280-209 2485 Turaxis Yankee
45 sixjaxNewsh 94-36 2505 Victory Bravo
45 PiQLiQ 998-812 2630 Shuttle Nu
47 CocoA 520-389 2502 Observer Mars
48 stev 376-308 2454 Horner Chi
49 BananaMilk 123-70 2495 Hartley Quest
50 EGMachine 221-146 2492 Kelerchian X-Ray
Keeping in mind that the Top 200 is by points before division modifiers are applied (because divisions are not equal), this tells us a few things: * Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu are equal in rank. - Medivac Alamo and Akilae Omicron are probably equal in rank to Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu * Ehlna Bravo is a rank below Kelerchian X-Ray * Urun Charlie is a rank below Ehlna Bravo * Boros Uncle is a rank below Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu, but it is not known whether it is equal to Ehlna Bravo or Urun Charlie Based on these findings we can create a kind of division hierarchy: S-Rank: Medic Mu Medivac Alamo (likely) Kelerchian X-Ray Akilae Omicron (likely) Hartley Quest (likely) Argo Echo (likely) Horner Chi (likely) Talematros Eta (likely) Horner Chi (likely) Immortal Yankee (likely) Turaxis Yankee (likely) Observer Mars (likely) Pylon Kappa (likely) Medic Pepper (likely) Overmind Victor (likely) Nagglfar Zeg (likely) Selendis Quest (possible) Uraj Dixie (likely) Medivac Juliet (likely) A-Rank: Ehlna Bravo Feld Lima B-Rank: Urun Charlie Feld Delta Not Sure If A-Rank or B-Rank: Boros Uncle Scout Kilo Shuttle Nu Unsure: Victory Bravo (possible S-Rank?) EDIT: Some more interesting data points: * 2568 Medivac Alamo is equal to 2883 in Scout Kilo (+315 points) * 2845 Boros Uncle is between 2605 and 2583 in S-Rank (between +240 and 262 points) * 2772 Feld Delta is between 2521 and 2518 in S-Rank (between +251 and 254 points)
is this why i did not make top 200? becus of my shitty unknown division (raynor delta)? I have beat several of the top 200, as well as have a better win/loss ratio and higher points =(
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On November 17 2010 13:25 Looky wrote:
it was just the maps during qualifiers. i really think protoss is the strongest race imo. almost impossible to beat them late game as zerg or terran
You know whats great about zerg and terran in that situation? Every game has an early game. Not every game has a late game.
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On November 17 2010 14:40 2FresH wrote:
is this why i did not make top 200? becus of my shitty unknown division (raynor delta)? I have beat several of the top 200, as well as have a better win/loss ratio and higher points =(
As Excal illustrated, points have different values in different divisions. In order to be in the top 200 you may need to gain more points. Note that it is still "fair" (since your division's points are easier to acquire therefore you need more of them), although confusing 
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its nothing new the people who mass game and mass cheese will be pretty high. of course it doesnt help when they play in tournaments because they will most likely lose. i see alot of cheesers in the top 50.
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Rounded out the top 100 in my other post at the end of page 2. Got some more information from it. I have to head to bed but if anyone wants to do #101-200 I'd appreciate it =] Probably won't be able to get enough match history information by morning.
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Wow, Minigun #24, very admireable....when I think back how people argued against him in the kcdc-thread how one gate FE vs terran wasn't viable it makes me lol
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From 17 to 35 there isn't a Zerg lol ^^ just an interesting thing that popped out to me. I'm shocked Protoss is so low. And go Yuri (HasHe) was a FMP gamer with him for years lol
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On November 17 2010 17:52 Pro]ChoSen- wrote:From 17 to 35 there isn't a Zerg lol ^^ just an interesting thing that popped out to me. I'm shocked Protoss is so low. And go Yuri (HasHe) was a FMP gamer with him for years lol
FMP?
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5 protosses in the top 10, hopefully this will reflect how they do in upcoming tournies. We really need more protosses duking it out far into tournaments for the game not to grow stale. You can only watch so many tvz's, zvz's and tvt's before it sort of gets a bit monotonous.
And what's up with this: 129 NyDGMMA 1522 1403
That's just crazy :D
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FireZerg at 102! woooooooo. SCanemone will be on there soon too
Also, apologies for my double post. I'm sorry!
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 17 2010 14:40 2FresH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 14:10 Excalibur_Z wrote:This week's Top 200 also included the win-loss records of each player at the time of the snapshot, which means we can use their match histories on Battle.net to work backwards and determine their points. Here are the results. The bolded lines are verified entries, meaning I was able to confirm that their current point values properly matched up to their match history. The unbolded lines are entries that could not be verified because they've either played too many non-1v1s or more than 25 1v1 games such that I couldn't go far enough back in their history.
Blizz Name Record Snapshot Rating Division
1 Katari 1102-671 2834 Kelerchian X-Ray
2 SeleCT 551-211 2794 Medic Mu
3 ROOTslush 604-357 2775 Medivac Alamo
4 TTOne 572-341 2734 Medic Mu
5 AlLaboUtyOu 650-459 2905 Ehlna Bravo
6 EGStrifeCro 475-310 2703 Akilae Omicron
7 Boyardee 365-199 2927 Urun Charlie
8 CrunCher 348-240 2664 Medic Mu
9 HasHe 861-632 2646 Medivac Alamo
10 Cheese 382-231 2645 Akilae Omicron
11 dKiLLeR 285-184 2639 Hartley Quest
12 LiquidHuK 479-170 2639 Medivac Alamo
13 Baz 1296-1091 2633 Argo Echo
14 MasterAsia 348-227 2623 Kelerchian X-Ray
14 ViBE 327-217 2623 Medic Mu
16 EGIdrA 227-82 2622 Medic Mu
17 OpTiKzErO 543-404 2530 Selendis Quest
18 ROOTqxc 314-124 2605 Observer Mars
19 Warden 731-606 2845 Boros Uncle
20 EGiNkA 419-280 2583 Medivac Alamo
21 Slurgi 417-338 2581 Talematros Eta
22 Cranklodocus 600-474 2570 Horner Chi
23 DuFFmAn 611-497 2569 Medivac Alamo
24 Perplexity 561-457 2568 Medivac Alamo
24 InflowMini 924-790 2883 Scout Kilo
26 ROOTdrewbie 269-131 2564 Medic Mu
27 nEAnS 573-424 2536 Medic Mu
28 Fenix 306-140 2558 Immortal Yankee
29 dde 318-229 2557 Turaxis Yankee
30 NamhciR 379-213 2580 Observer Mars
31 PainUser 260-118 2549 Pylon Kappa
32 BrokenRhythm 758-593 2547 Medic Pepper
33 TheZealot 104-53 2546 Overmind Victor
34 lovemyRM 470-405 2540 Nagglfar Zed
35 theognis 335-244 2661 Feld Lima
36 Zelniq 988-763 2442 Medivac Alamo
37 Denelorn 190-79 2545 Victory Bravo
38 Gretorp 309-214 2526 Immortal Yankee
39 DeAtHRoW 361-214 2521 Medic Mu
40 Kangwook 490-400 2772 Feld Delta
41 DalaiLameR 106-62 2518 Uraj Dixie
42 InflowLooky 831-715 2488 Medivac Alamo
42 JJYAN 201-98 2512 Medivac Juliet
44 Mankeyz 280-209 2485 Turaxis Yankee
45 sixjaxNewsh 94-36 2505 Victory Bravo
45 PiQLiQ 998-812 2630 Shuttle Nu
47 CocoA 520-389 2502 Observer Mars
48 stev 376-308 2454 Horner Chi
49 BananaMilk 123-70 2495 Hartley Quest
50 EGMachine 221-146 2492 Kelerchian X-Ray
Keeping in mind that the Top 200 is by points before division modifiers are applied (because divisions are not equal), this tells us a few things: * Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu are equal in rank. - Medivac Alamo and Akilae Omicron are probably equal in rank to Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu * Ehlna Bravo is a rank below Kelerchian X-Ray * Urun Charlie is a rank below Ehlna Bravo * Boros Uncle is a rank below Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu, but it is not known whether it is equal to Ehlna Bravo or Urun Charlie Based on these findings we can create a kind of division hierarchy: S-Rank: Medic Mu Medivac Alamo (likely) Kelerchian X-Ray Akilae Omicron (likely) Hartley Quest (likely) Argo Echo (likely) Horner Chi (likely) Talematros Eta (likely) Horner Chi (likely) Immortal Yankee (likely) Turaxis Yankee (likely) Observer Mars (likely) Pylon Kappa (likely) Medic Pepper (likely) Overmind Victor (likely) Nagglfar Zeg (likely) Selendis Quest (possible) Uraj Dixie (likely) Medivac Juliet (likely) A-Rank: Ehlna Bravo Feld Lima B-Rank: Urun Charlie Feld Delta Not Sure If A-Rank or B-Rank: Boros Uncle Scout Kilo Shuttle Nu Unsure: Victory Bravo (possible S-Rank?) EDIT: Some more interesting data points: * 2568 Medivac Alamo is equal to 2883 in Scout Kilo (+315 points) * 2845 Boros Uncle is between 2605 and 2583 in S-Rank (between +240 and 262 points) * 2772 Feld Delta is between 2521 and 2518 in S-Rank (between +251 and 254 points) is this why i did not make top 200? becus of my shitty unknown division (raynor delta)? I have beat several of the top 200, as well as have a better win/loss ratio and higher points =(
Nah, dude, lots of people on the Top-200 that aren't in divisions that fall in to his little theory. Medic Mu and Medivac Alamo are just fucking baller, that's all. Two of the first Diamond divisions, made-up by all the best Brood War/Beta players who got to Diamond first. Same goes with the other divisions with good rankings: most of them are just early divisions.
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#67 im in there! : d funny i onyl played like 7 games last week and went from near 100th last week
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I'm not jumping on the buff toss band wagon until the toss players start playing better in gsl. In all the games played so far I think general consensus is that they were doing weird stuff in a lot of the games and there wasn't much straight up play. Plus I can name four times as many top zergs and terrans than tosses.
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select idra and pain have so good w/l ratio ....
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On November 17 2010 19:56 Cedstick wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 17 2010 14:40 2FresH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2010 14:10 Excalibur_Z wrote:This week's Top 200 also included the win-loss records of each player at the time of the snapshot, which means we can use their match histories on Battle.net to work backwards and determine their points. Here are the results. The bolded lines are verified entries, meaning I was able to confirm that their current point values properly matched up to their match history. The unbolded lines are entries that could not be verified because they've either played too many non-1v1s or more than 25 1v1 games such that I couldn't go far enough back in their history.
Blizz Name Record Snapshot Rating Division
1 Katari 1102-671 2834 Kelerchian X-Ray
2 SeleCT 551-211 2794 Medic Mu
3 ROOTslush 604-357 2775 Medivac Alamo
4 TTOne 572-341 2734 Medic Mu
5 AlLaboUtyOu 650-459 2905 Ehlna Bravo
6 EGStrifeCro 475-310 2703 Akilae Omicron
7 Boyardee 365-199 2927 Urun Charlie
8 CrunCher 348-240 2664 Medic Mu
9 HasHe 861-632 2646 Medivac Alamo
10 Cheese 382-231 2645 Akilae Omicron
11 dKiLLeR 285-184 2639 Hartley Quest
12 LiquidHuK 479-170 2639 Medivac Alamo
13 Baz 1296-1091 2633 Argo Echo
14 MasterAsia 348-227 2623 Kelerchian X-Ray
14 ViBE 327-217 2623 Medic Mu
16 EGIdrA 227-82 2622 Medic Mu
17 OpTiKzErO 543-404 2530 Selendis Quest
18 ROOTqxc 314-124 2605 Observer Mars
19 Warden 731-606 2845 Boros Uncle
20 EGiNkA 419-280 2583 Medivac Alamo
21 Slurgi 417-338 2581 Talematros Eta
22 Cranklodocus 600-474 2570 Horner Chi
23 DuFFmAn 611-497 2569 Medivac Alamo
24 Perplexity 561-457 2568 Medivac Alamo
24 InflowMini 924-790 2883 Scout Kilo
26 ROOTdrewbie 269-131 2564 Medic Mu
27 nEAnS 573-424 2536 Medic Mu
28 Fenix 306-140 2558 Immortal Yankee
29 dde 318-229 2557 Turaxis Yankee
30 NamhciR 379-213 2580 Observer Mars
31 PainUser 260-118 2549 Pylon Kappa
32 BrokenRhythm 758-593 2547 Medic Pepper
33 TheZealot 104-53 2546 Overmind Victor
34 lovemyRM 470-405 2540 Nagglfar Zed
35 theognis 335-244 2661 Feld Lima
36 Zelniq 988-763 2442 Medivac Alamo
37 Denelorn 190-79 2545 Victory Bravo
38 Gretorp 309-214 2526 Immortal Yankee
39 DeAtHRoW 361-214 2521 Medic Mu
40 Kangwook 490-400 2772 Feld Delta
41 DalaiLameR 106-62 2518 Uraj Dixie
42 InflowLooky 831-715 2488 Medivac Alamo
42 JJYAN 201-98 2512 Medivac Juliet
44 Mankeyz 280-209 2485 Turaxis Yankee
45 sixjaxNewsh 94-36 2505 Victory Bravo
45 PiQLiQ 998-812 2630 Shuttle Nu
47 CocoA 520-389 2502 Observer Mars
48 stev 376-308 2454 Horner Chi
49 BananaMilk 123-70 2495 Hartley Quest
50 EGMachine 221-146 2492 Kelerchian X-Ray
Keeping in mind that the Top 200 is by points before division modifiers are applied (because divisions are not equal), this tells us a few things: * Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu are equal in rank. - Medivac Alamo and Akilae Omicron are probably equal in rank to Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu * Ehlna Bravo is a rank below Kelerchian X-Ray * Urun Charlie is a rank below Ehlna Bravo * Boros Uncle is a rank below Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu, but it is not known whether it is equal to Ehlna Bravo or Urun Charlie Based on these findings we can create a kind of division hierarchy: S-Rank: Medic Mu Medivac Alamo (likely) Kelerchian X-Ray Akilae Omicron (likely) Hartley Quest (likely) Argo Echo (likely) Horner Chi (likely) Talematros Eta (likely) Horner Chi (likely) Immortal Yankee (likely) Turaxis Yankee (likely) Observer Mars (likely) Pylon Kappa (likely) Medic Pepper (likely) Overmind Victor (likely) Nagglfar Zeg (likely) Selendis Quest (possible) Uraj Dixie (likely) Medivac Juliet (likely) A-Rank: Ehlna Bravo Feld Lima B-Rank: Urun Charlie Feld Delta Not Sure If A-Rank or B-Rank: Boros Uncle Scout Kilo Shuttle Nu Unsure: Victory Bravo (possible S-Rank?) EDIT: Some more interesting data points: * 2568 Medivac Alamo is equal to 2883 in Scout Kilo (+315 points) * 2845 Boros Uncle is between 2605 and 2583 in S-Rank (between +240 and 262 points) * 2772 Feld Delta is between 2521 and 2518 in S-Rank (between +251 and 254 points) is this why i did not make top 200? becus of my shitty unknown division (raynor delta)? I have beat several of the top 200, as well as have a better win/loss ratio and higher points =( Nah, dude, lots of people on the Top-200 that aren't in divisions that fall in to his little theory. Medic Mu and Medivac Alamo are just fucking baller, that's all. Two of the first Diamond divisions, made-up by all the best Brood War/Beta players who got to Diamond first. Same goes with the other divisions with good rankings: most of them are just early divisions.
It's not a theory. It has been confirmed by Blizzard that different divisions have different weights to their points. It makes less difference in Diamond because players are good enough that they can rise beyond the "norm" for a given divsion (since they can be promoted). This is why people with high point values are ranked lower than people with lower point values.
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