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oZii
United States1198 Posts
Didnt see a post for this yet I think this is a little late than normal. Top 10 Rank Character Name 1 Katari 2 SeleCT 3 ROOTslush 4 TTOne 5 AlLaboUtyOu 6 EGStrifeCro 7 Boyardee 8 CrunCher 9 HasHe 10 Cheese Top 10 5 - Toss 3- Terran 2- Zerg Total Terran- 82 Zerg- 62 Protoss- 46 Random -10 EDIT- Total Race distribution Added | ||
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Pfhor
123 Posts
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Proto_Protoss
United States495 Posts
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kaisr
Canada715 Posts
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On November 17 2010 11:58 Proto_Protoss wrote: Well at least protoss is winning something finally...But i dont understand how toss do so well on ladder but in major tournaments they are a dwindling race lol wasn't Nony like the best Protoss in BW (outside of Korea), but look how many Protoss players do you see winning OSL/MSLs nowadays in Brood War? Protoss has the same results from SC1/SC2. No gold medals... in ages | ||
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Beside_kr
Canada902 Posts
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
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QuantumTheory
New Zealand188 Posts
On November 17 2010 12:13 dras wrote: decent balance imo. Decent alright. The most played race is the least represented in the top 200 -_- Yes, there's more Toss in the top 10. They either ladder more often or are just better players in themselves. | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Ryzu
United States369 Posts
On November 17 2010 12:19 QuantumTheory wrote: The most played race is the least represented in the top 200 -_- . The KR top 200, on the other hand, shows all 3 relatively equal. Zerg 57 (28.5%) ↓3 (1.5%) Terran 72 (36.0%) ↑2 (1.0%) Protoss 70 (35.0%) ↑2 (1.0%) Random 1 ( 0.5%) ↓1 (0.5%) | ||
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QuantumTheory
New Zealand188 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:00 Ryzu wrote: The KR top 200, on the other hand, shows all 3 relatively equal. Zerg 57 (28.5%) ↓3 (1.5%) Terran 72 (36.0%) ↑2 (1.0%) Protoss 70 (35.0%) ↑2 (1.0%) Random 1 ( 0.5%) ↓1 (0.5%) Now look at the stats of people who qualified for the GSL. | ||
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obsid
United States389 Posts
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
On November 17 2010 12:19 QuantumTheory wrote: Decent alright. The most played race is the least represented in the top 200 -_- Yes, there's more Toss in the top 10. They either ladder more often or are just better players in themselves. protoss is boring and no one cares about protoss, we all know t and z are all that matters. | ||
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QuantumTheory
New Zealand188 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:23 dras wrote: protoss is boring and no one cares about protoss, we all know t and z are all that matters. U mad bro? User was warned for this post | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
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AJ-
United States316 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
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QuantumTheory
New Zealand188 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:25 Looky wrote: it was just the maps during qualifiers. i really think protoss is the strongest race imo. almost impossible to beat them late game as zerg or terran Don't be so quick to judge as it has been getting worse every season, not to mention no Protoss appearances in the ro4 both seasons. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
Anyway, these values are only really of interest when put against % playing each race, imo. Doesn't really tell the whole story if there are much less zergplayers (as there was before, no idea how the race distribution is today, anyone have any statistics?) than players of the other two races. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:27 Darpa wrote: Go attero! hes the 1 random LoL... Also Huk Winning Raleigh i think was a recent gold medal for toss. it was early september how is that recent ? | ||
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Boundless
Canada588 Posts
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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ckw
United States1018 Posts
On November 17 2010 11:58 Proto_Protoss wrote: Well at least protoss is winning something finally...But i dont understand how toss do so well on ladder but in major tournaments they are a dwindling race Because most of the Protoss players competing right now aren't up to par with some of the other races players who have switched over from professional level in SC1. Namely BoxeR, NaDa, you get the point. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
On November 17 2010 12:12 Beside_kr wrote: I see BananaMilk and theognis on that list, these were smurfs for Ilnp and EchofDream right? Any chance those guys are actually playing or is it just copycats? i can confirm theo is legit. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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DuFFmAn69
United States78 Posts
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Adonisto
Canada191 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:51 DuFFmAn69 wrote: i can confirm that katari is getting really good at his 4gate strat .. And where are you in the top 200 ? Oh that's right. | ||
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DuFFmAn69
United States78 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:52 Adonisto wrote: .. And where are you in the top 200 ? Oh that's right. #23 thx for noticing | ||
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Zerokaiser
Canada885 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:51 DuFFmAn69 wrote: i can confirm that katari is getting really good at his 4gate strat I'm not sure whether I'm getting trolled with that or not... Does Katari have something unique he's working on with 4gates, or is he just getting really good at cutting cookies? | ||
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Adonisto
Canada191 Posts
Usually people in the top 200 are more active than that on TL. Still not #1 though, am I right? | ||
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Terrifyer
United States338 Posts
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Sero
United States692 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:54 Adonisto wrote: Usually people in the top 200 are more active than that on TL. Still not #1 though, am I right? Yeah, try to play it off like you're still right after getting shit on like that. lol | ||
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:54 Adonisto wrote: Usually people in the top 200 are more active than that on TL. Still not #1 though, am I right? You say it like anyonecan be number 1 | ||
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Gezz
United Kingdom81 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:54 Adonisto wrote: Usually people in the top 200 are more active than that on TL. Still not #1 though, am I right? #1 doesn't mean you're better than #23 at all, especially since i've seen Katari make appearance's on numerous NA players streams and 1base all-in EVERY game. They're only #1 because they're mass-gaming. | ||
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sl0w
United States447 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:54 Adonisto wrote: Usually people in the top 200 are more active than that on TL. Still not #1 though, am I right? lol you got owned plain and simple. Also, SeleCT plays on the KR server too so he has well over 1000 games played. | ||
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Kyhol
Canada2575 Posts
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Kyhol
Canada2575 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:51 DuFFmAn69 wrote: i can confirm that katari is getting really good at his 4gate strat lmao. He loves his 4g, or FE 5g. | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:51 DuFFmAn69 wrote: i can confirm that katari is getting really good at his 4gate strat lmao I remember when ITR played on Cella's NA account Katari 4Gated him 5 games in a row. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
Blizz Name Record Snapshot Rating Division 1 Katari 1102-671 2834 Kelerchian X-Ray 2 SeleCT 551-211 2794 Medic Mu 3 ROOTslush 604-357 2775 Medivac Alamo 4 TTOne 572-341 2734 Medic Mu 5 AlLaboUtyOu 650-459 2905 Ehlna Bravo 6 EGStrifeCro 475-310 2703 Akilae Omicron 7 Boyardee 365-199 2927 Urun Charlie 8 CrunCher 348-240 2664 Medic Mu 9 HasHe 861-632 2646 Medivac Alamo 10 Cheese 382-231 2645 Akilae Omicron 11 dKiLLeR 285-184 2639 Hartley Quest 12 LiquidHuK 479-170 2639 Medivac Alamo 13 Baz 1296-1091 2633 Argo Echo 14 MasterAsia 348-227 2623 Kelerchian X-Ray 14 ViBE 327-217 2623 Medic Mu 16 EGIdrA 227-82 2622 Medic Mu 17 OpTiKzErO 543-404 2530 Selendis Quest 18 ROOTqxc 314-124 2605 Observer Mars 19 Warden 731-606 2845 Boros Uncle 20 EGiNkA 419-280 2583 Medivac Alamo 21 Slurgi 417-338 2581 Talematros Eta 22 Cranklodocus 600-474 2570 Horner Chi 23 DuFFmAn 611-497 2569 Medivac Alamo 24 Perplexity 561-457 2568 Medivac Alamo 24 InflowMini 924-790 2883 Scout Kilo 26 ROOTdrewbie 269-131 2564 Medic Mu 27 nEAnS 573-424 2536 Medic Mu 28 Fenix 306-140 2558 Immortal Yankee 29 dde 318-229 2557 Turaxis Yankee 30 NamhciR 379-213 2580 Observer Mars 31 PainUser 260-118 2549 Pylon Kappa 32 BrokenRhythm 758-593 2547 Medic Pepper 33 TheZealot 104-53 2546 Overmind Victor 34 lovemyRM 470-405 2540 Nagglfar Zed 35 theognis 335-244 2661 Feld Lima 36 Zelniq 988-763 2442 Medivac Alamo 37 Denelorn 190-79 2545 Victory Bravo 38 Gretorp 309-214 2526 Immortal Yankee 39 DeAtHRoW 361-214 2521 Medic Mu 40 Kangwook 490-400 2772 Feld Delta 41 DalaiLameR 106-62 2518 Uraj Dixie 42 InflowLooky 831-715 2488 Medivac Alamo 42 JJYAN 201-98 2512 Medivac Juliet 44 Mankeyz 280-209 2485 Turaxis Yankee 45 sixjaxNewsh 94-36 2505 Victory Bravo 45 PiQLiQ 998-812 2630 Shuttle Nu 47 CocoA 520-389 2502 Observer Mars 48 stev 376-308 2454 Horner Chi 49 BananaMilk 123-70 2495 Hartley Quest 50 EGMachine 221-146 2492 Kelerchian X-Ray 51 OrgA 202-128 2504 Akilae Omicron 52 InflowLinko 479-354 2475 Uraj Omega 53 LiquidTyler 203-107 2483 Zekrath Sigma 54 Mark 509-388 2481 Turaxis Yankee 55 Magulina 110-58 2480 Medivac Juliet 55 OnEMoReTrY 315-233 2480 Uraj Omega 57 ThisIsJimmy 553-437 2459 Akilae Omicron 58 Yakero 152-47 2478 Hartley Quest 59 LiquidRet 128-43 2477 Phash Kappa 60 NeverDawn 207-139 2476 Tassadar Charlie 61 EGAxslav 562-394 2514 Pylon Kappa 62 BoO 496-404 2370 Uraj Omega 63 SoFtBalL 132-65 2464 Uraj Dixie 64 Arena 190-137 2462 Victory Bravo 65 BloodThirsty 969-877 2360 Argo Echo 66 Malice 648-466 2459 Medic Mu 67 Broom 193-126 2458 Moratun Sierra 68 LiquidNazgul 179-112 2457 Medivac Juliet 69 bLuR 525-437 2580 Infestor Pepper 70 Ngry 217-141 2438 Akilae Omicron 71 Agh 630-497 2441 Medic Mu 72 sLeepisT 397-323 2439 Immortal Yankee 72 Levin 627-466 2503 Medivac Alamo 74 ReSpOnSe 743-628 2455 Observer Mars 75 CellaWerra 351-213 2433 Raven Zed 76 ROOTDdoRo 801-636 2683 Shuttle Foxtrot 77 Taurent 345-197 2429 Akilae Omicron 78 MnMVadar 691-588 2487 Observer Mars 79 AlexCMoi 384-260 2426 Lenassa Dixie 80 EnvY 575-470 2424 Observer Mars 81 dayvie 485-365 2738 Scout Kilo 81 sikatrix 396-293 2423 Medic Mu 81 NadaViKinG 273-214 2423 Tassadar Charlie 81 Rigid 621-490 2423 Medivac Alamo 85 iKillBanshee 290-232 2417 Overmind Victor 86 SPeCiaLiST 354-282 2418 Phash Kappa 86 Nadagast 258-166 2416 Talematros Eta 88 Capoch 439-330 2413 Observer Mars 89 Humble 236-176 2408 Turaxis Yankee 90 Vtmisery 369-292 2407 Observer Mars 91 Mura 482-420 2404 Medic Mu 92 rsvp 481-415 2465 Argo Echo 93 DarkCell 215-155 2399 Zergling Quest 94 FlyingSheep 323-241 2524 Infestor Pepper 94 prosu 423-351 2398 Lenassa Dixie 94 ReasoN 174-106 2398 Raven Zed 97 LuckyFool 464-374 2423 Medic Mu 97 SKU 188-128 2520 Infestor Pepper 99 Pookie 450-379 2391 Immortal Yankee 100 LegendofBert 547-471 2390 Medic Mu Keeping in mind that the Top 200 is by points before division modifiers are applied (because divisions are not equal), this tells us a few things: * Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu are equal in rank. - Medivac Alamo and Akilae Omicron are probably equal in rank to Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu * Ehlna Bravo is a rank below Kelerchian X-Ray * Urun Charlie is a rank below Ehlna Bravo * Boros Uncle is a rank below Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu, but it is not known whether it is equal to Ehlna Bravo or Urun Charlie Based on these findings we can create a kind of division hierarchy: S-Rank: Medic Mu Medivac Alamo (likely) Kelerchian X-Ray Akilae Omicron (likely) Hartley Quest (likely) Horner Chi (likely) Talematros Eta (likely) Horner Chi (likely) Immortal Yankee (likely) Turaxis Yankee (likely) Observer Mars (likely) Pylon Kappa (likely) Medic Pepper (likely) Overmind Victor (likely) Nagglfar Zeg (likely) Selendis Quest (possible) Uraj Dixie (likely) Medivac Juliet (likely) Uraj Omega Zekrath Sigma (likely) Phash Kappa (likely) Tassadar Charlie Victory Bravo (likely) Moratun Sierra (likely) Raven Zed (likely) Lenassa Dixie (likely) Zergling Quest (likely) A-Rank: Ehlna Bravo Feld Lima Infestor Pepper (likely) B-Rank: Urun Charlie Feld Delta Shuttle Foxtrot Not Sure If A-Rank or B-Rank: Boros Uncle Scout Kilo (maybe C-rank?) Shuttle Nu Argo Echo (maybe slightly higher than A-rank?) EDIT: Some more interesting data points: * 2568 Medivac Alamo is equal to 2883 in Scout Kilo (+315 points) * 2845 Boros Uncle is between 2605 and 2583 in S-Rank (between +240 and 262 points) * 2772 Feld Delta is between 2521 and 2518 in S-Rank (between +251 and 254 points) * 2480 Uraj Omega is equal to 2480 Medivac Juliet (confirmed identical) * 2683 Shuttle Foxtrot is between 2433 and 2429 S-Rank (between +250 and 254 points) * 2423 Medic Mu is equal to 2738 in Scout Kilo (+315 points again) * 2423 Medic Mu is equal to 2423 Tassadar Charlie and 2423 Medivac Alamo * 2524 Infestor Pepper is equal to 2398 Lenassa Dixie (+126 points) * 2520 Infestor Pepper is probably equal to 2394 Medic Mu (LuckyFool's likely score) | ||
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Adonisto
Canada191 Posts
On November 17 2010 14:04 Sero wrote: Yeah, try to play it off like you're still right after getting shit on like that. lol Like I'm still right ? I wasn't trying to be "right"... Whether you like it or not, the guy is still #1. | ||
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BleuNuit
Canada44 Posts
On November 17 2010 14:22 Adonisto wrote: Like I'm still right ? I wasn't trying to be "right"... Whether you like it or not, the guy is still #1. Should have done your research before making that "Where are you in the top 200" jibe hm? | ||
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baller
527 Posts
On November 17 2010 14:22 Adonisto wrote: Like I'm still right ? I wasn't trying to be "right"... Whether you like it or not, the guy is still #1. yah man ur right totally he's not #1 u got him man gj ill just leave this here DuFFmAn - 2559 world rank #185 http://sc2ranks.com/us/365700/DuFFmAn Adonisto - 957 world rank #42,785 http://sc2ranks.com/us/438533/Adonisto | ||
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Adonisto
Canada191 Posts
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sYstim
Canada161 Posts
On November 17 2010 14:10 Excalibur_Z wrote: This week's Top 200 also included the win-loss records of each player at the time of the snapshot, which means we can use their match histories on Battle.net to work backwards and determine their points. Here are the results. The bolded lines are verified entries, meaning I was able to confirm that their current point values properly matched up to their match history. The unbolded lines are entries that could not be verified because they've either played too many non-1v1s or more than 25 1v1 games such that I couldn't go far enough back in their history. Keeping in mind that the Top 200 is by points before division modifiers are applied (because divisions are not equal), this tells us a few things: * Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu are equal in rank. - Medivac Alamo and Akilae Omicron are probably equal in rank to Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu * Ehlna Bravo is a rank below Kelerchian X-Ray * Urun Charlie is a rank below Ehlna Bravo * Boros Uncle is a rank below Kelerchian X-Ray and Medic Mu, but it is not known whether it is equal to Ehlna Bravo or Urun Charlie Based on these findings we can create a kind of division hierarchy: S-Rank: Medic Mu Medivac Alamo (likely) Kelerchian X-Ray Akilae Omicron (likely) Hartley Quest (likely) Argo Echo (likely) Horner Chi (likely) Talematros Eta (likely) Horner Chi (likely) Immortal Yankee (likely) Turaxis Yankee (likely) Observer Mars (likely) Pylon Kappa (likely) Medic Pepper (likely) Overmind Victor (likely) Nagglfar Zeg (likely) Selendis Quest (possible) Uraj Dixie (likely) Medivac Juliet (likely) A-Rank: Ehlna Bravo Feld Lima B-Rank: Urun Charlie Feld Delta Not Sure If A-Rank or B-Rank: Boros Uncle Scout Kilo Shuttle Nu Unsure: Victory Bravo (possible S-Rank?) EDIT: Some more interesting data points: * 2568 Medivac Alamo is equal to 2883 in Scout Kilo (+315 points) * 2845 Boros Uncle is between 2605 and 2583 in S-Rank (between +240 and 262 points) * 2772 Feld Delta is between 2521 and 2518 in S-Rank (between +251 and 254 points) is this why i did not make top 200? becus of my shitty unknown division (raynor delta)? I have beat several of the top 200, as well as have a better win/loss ratio and higher points =( | ||
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Moragon
United States355 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:25 Looky wrote: it was just the maps during qualifiers. i really think protoss is the strongest race imo. almost impossible to beat them late game as zerg or terran You know whats great about zerg and terran in that situation? Every game has an early game. Not every game has a late game. | ||
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vanick
United States53 Posts
On November 17 2010 14:40 2FresH wrote: is this why i did not make top 200? becus of my shitty unknown division (raynor delta)? I have beat several of the top 200, as well as have a better win/loss ratio and higher points =( As Excal illustrated, points have different values in different divisions. In order to be in the top 200 you may need to gain more points. Note that it is still "fair" (since your division's points are easier to acquire therefore you need more of them), although confusing  | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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Barook
Germany143 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/1107337#blog Terran- 82 (+7) (41%) Zerg- 62 (+-0) (31%) Protoss- 46 (-5) (23%) Random -10 (-2) (5%) | ||
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Pro]ChoSen-
United States318 Posts
was a FMP gamer with him for years lol | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 17 2010 17:52 Pro]ChoSen- wrote: From 17 to 35 there isn't a Zerg lol ^^ just an interesting thing that popped out to me. I'm shocked Protoss is so low. And go Yuri (HasHe) was a FMP gamer with him for years lolFMP? | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
And what's up with this: 129 NyDGMMA 1522 1403 That's just crazy :D | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
Also, apologies for my double post. I'm sorry! | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
On November 17 2010 14:40 2FresH wrote: is this why i did not make top 200? becus of my shitty unknown division (raynor delta)? I have beat several of the top 200, as well as have a better win/loss ratio and higher points =( Nah, dude, lots of people on the Top-200 that aren't in divisions that fall in to his little theory. Medic Mu and Medivac Alamo are just fucking baller, that's all. Two of the first Diamond divisions, made-up by all the best Brood War/Beta players who got to Diamond first. Same goes with the other divisions with good rankings: most of them are just early divisions. | ||
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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noD
2230 Posts
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vanick
United States53 Posts
On November 17 2010 19:56 Cedstick wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2010 14:40 2FresH wrote: is this why i did not make top 200? becus of my shitty unknown division (raynor delta)? I have beat several of the top 200, as well as have a better win/loss ratio and higher points =( Nah, dude, lots of people on the Top-200 that aren't in divisions that fall in to his little theory. Medic Mu and Medivac Alamo are just fucking baller, that's all. Two of the first Diamond divisions, made-up by all the best Brood War/Beta players who got to Diamond first. Same goes with the other divisions with good rankings: most of them are just early divisions. It's not a theory. It has been confirmed by Blizzard that different divisions have different weights to their points. It makes less difference in Diamond because players are good enough that they can rise beyond the "norm" for a given divsion (since they can be promoted). This is why people with high point values are ranked lower than people with lower point values. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On November 17 2010 19:56 Cedstick wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2010 14:40 2FresH wrote: is this why i did not make top 200? becus of my shitty unknown division (raynor delta)? I have beat several of the top 200, as well as have a better win/loss ratio and higher points =( Nah, dude, lots of people on the Top-200 that aren't in divisions that fall in to his little theory. Medic Mu and Medivac Alamo are just fucking baller, that's all. Two of the first Diamond divisions, made-up by all the best Brood War/Beta players who got to Diamond first. Same goes with the other divisions with good rankings: most of them are just early divisions. Whether or not they're early makes no difference. Some of them are brand new like Hartley Quest and Raven Zed, but they're made up of top-level players. If you're not in one of those top divisions then you would have to have a higher number of points to compensate, like those players in Scout Kilo for example. | ||
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Barook
Germany143 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/970448#blog Terran: 77 (-5) Zerg: 77 (+7) Protoss: 45 (-2) R: 1 (+-0) If you follow the trend of the last two weeks instead, it even gets more drastic: T: -9 Z: + 18 P: -8 R: -1 | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On November 17 2010 11:52 oZii wrote: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/1152288 Top 10 5 - Toss 3- Terran 2- Zerg Total Terran- 82 Zerg- 62 Protoss- 46 Random -10 EDIT- Total Race distribution Added These statistics are meaningless unless you assume that the players are equi-distribuated between the race (1/3 of players playing Zerg, 1/3 playing protoss...) which is TOTALLY not the case (just check this on sc2ranks.com or Blizzard stats, they're like 20% of the overall player base who are Zergs). | ||
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Ezze
Canada934 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:51 DuFFmAn69 wrote: i can confirm that katari is getting really good at his 4gate strat You sound pretty jealous. You think it's easy to 4 gate the best NA players on a regular basis and maintain that win ratio? I've looked at his match history and 2-4 game winning streaks within an hour against the same player are quite common. Someone mentioned IdrA losing 3 in a row to him as one example. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:00 Ryzu wrote: Zerg 57 (28.5%) ↓3 (1.5%) Terran 72 (36.0%) ↑2 (1.0%) Protoss 70 (35.0%) ↑2 (1.0%) Random 1 ( 0.5%) ↓1 (0.5%) Haters gonna hate! Hehe just felt like pointing out how it must be to be in theTop 200 as random. I like how Toss are doing so well in the ladder, but seriously, even as a diehard Zerg fan I'm dying to see some gosu Toss action in GSL | ||
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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QuantumTheory
New Zealand188 Posts
On November 18 2010 03:30 TeWy wrote: These statistics are meaningless unless you assume that the players are equi-distribuated between the race (1/3 of players playing Zerg, 1/3 playing protoss...) which is TOTALLY not the case (just check this on sc2ranks.com or Blizzard stats, they're like 20% of the overall player base who are Zergs). It's not meaningless at all. Protoss being the most played race SHOULD share the most spots in the top 200, they don't. As with that Zerg SHOULD share the least amount, they don't. You can make an inference on this and say that there is a problem, especially with the trends that are happening that support this. +18 Zergs? -8 Protoss. Games fine, obv. | ||
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Looky
United States1608 Posts
On November 18 2010 03:36 Ezze wrote: You sound pretty jealous. You think it's easy to 4 gate the best NA players on a regular basis and maintain that win ratio? I've looked at his match history and 2-4 game winning streaks within an hour against the same player are quite common. Someone mentioned IdrA losing 3 in a row to him as one example. you cant be serious about 4 gate being hard. | ||
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
On November 18 2010 04:15 Looky wrote: you cant be serious about 4 gate being hard. it takes tremendous control to use 4 gate at that level. if it didn't every toss would still be using it. but does katari even 4 gate? i could have sworn i saw phoenix in like half of his match histories vs terran | ||
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Wrongspeedy
United States1655 Posts
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
I don't get why the guy doesn't sign up for some tournaments or MLG, I suppose he's content being a mass ladder gamer but it would be interesting to see how he can do in a much different setting. | ||
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Minigun
619 Posts
On November 18 2010 04:20 KillerPlague wrote: it takes tremendous control to use 4 gate at that level. if it didn't every toss would still be using it. but does katari even 4 gate? i could have sworn i saw phoenix in like half of his match histories vs terran I can confirm he 4 gates me every pvp, and on streams when people go against him he 4 gates. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On November 18 2010 04:05 QuantumTheory wrote: It's not meaningless at all. Protoss being the most played race SHOULD share the most spots in the top 200, they don't. As with that Zerg SHOULD share the least amount, they don't. You can make an inference on this and say that there is a problem, especially with the trends that are happening that support this. +18 Zergs? -8 Protoss. Games fine, obv. This was my point actually. OP didn't include the ratio of the overall race's base thus making his stats meaningless. Once you take into account the fact that Protoss is nearly 2 times more plaid than Zerg, these kind of stats start to make sense and indicate something huge. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On November 17 2010 11:58 Proto_Protoss wrote: Well at least protoss is winning something finally...But i dont understand how toss do so well on ladder but in major tournaments they are a dwindling race Because in tournaments 85% of the Protosses are NOT 4gating. | ||
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GaussWaffle
United States211 Posts
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chadfcjsp
United States21 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On November 18 2010 04:55 GaussWaffle wrote: I saw OrgA (#51) beat HasHe (top 10) twice in a row and receive +16 and +15 for those games. Which is fine considering their ranking positions. But then I saw OrgA also beat Zelniq (30s), and he only received 10 points...why is that the case if this list is based solely on MMR. Who or what are you responding to? Nobody said that the list is based on MMR. It isn't based on MMR. As a few people have said in this thread already, it's based on points adjusted for strength of division. And even though you're correct in arguing that the list isn't based on MMR, your evidence doesn't support it. Point change after a ladder match isn't based solely on MMR. Your point change is based on your opponent's MMR against your actual points and your opponent's point change is based on your MMR against your opponent's actual points. | ||
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
Also, how does blizzard base their ranking of divisions? For example, how do they know Kelerchian X-Ray/Medic Mu/Medivac Alamo are "better" division than others? Is this ranking based on MMR? If Blizzard can somehow quantify the rigor of each division, does that mean it's harder to gain points in an "S-class" division vs an A- or B-class? | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
On November 17 2010 13:18 QuantumTheory wrote: Now look at the stats of people who qualified for the GSL. To talk about GSL qualification we need to see the groups (or do they put exactly same amount of races in one group?). | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On November 18 2010 05:22 asdfTT123 wrote: How do we know that the top 200 is based from adjusted points in the strength of your division? I'm asking because I've seen several platinum players in the top 200 - those that were stuck in plat b/c they hadn't accumulated enough losses for promotion (i.e. LiquidRet and aloOla a few weeks ago). Also, how does blizzard base their ranking of divisions? For example, how do they know Kelerchian X-Ray/Medic Mu/Medivac Alamo are "better" division than others? Is this ranking based on MMR? If Blizzard can somehow quantify the rigor of each division, does that mean it's harder to gain points in an "S-class" division vs an A- or B-class? I decided to make a new thread about it so it didn't get lost: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830 I have some guesses as to how it ranks divisions. It's got to be by MMR where if you're at a certain MMR level you'll get put in an S-Rank division, or A-Rank, or whatever. It doesn't really mean it's harder to gain points, just that your points are worth more. Those are good questions though. I think revealing the tiers answers a lot but also opens up more questions. | ||
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asdfTT123
United States989 Posts
On November 18 2010 05:29 Excalibur_Z wrote: I decided to make a new thread about it so it didn't get lost: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830 I have some guesses as to how it ranks divisions. It's got to be by MMR where if you're at a certain MMR level you'll get put in an S-Rank division, or A-Rank, or whatever. It doesn't really mean it's harder to gain points, just that your points are worth more. Those are good questions though. I think revealing the tiers answers a lot but also opens up more questions. Thanks, I'll take a read. But if Blizz is selectively placing you in different diamond divisions based off of MMR it basically refutes what they said during beta when they claimed that all divisions within a league are equal. I thought they placed players indiscriminately in divisions until they reached their maximum capacity. Medic Mu and Medivac Alamo have many big names in NA, but I assumed this was the case because those were the first players to have laddered heavily to be placed in a diamond division, and therefore were placed in their divisions together by coincidence. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12240 Posts
On November 18 2010 05:43 asdfTT123 wrote: Thanks, I'll take a read. But if Blizz is selectively placing you in different diamond divisions based off of MMR it basically refutes what they said during beta when they claimed that all divisions within a league are equal. I thought they placed players indiscriminately in divisions until they reached their maximum capacity. Medic Mu and Medivac Alamo have many big names in NA, but I assumed this was the case because those were the first players to have laddered heavily to be placed in a diamond division, and therefore were placed in their divisions together by coincidence. That's what we all thought (me included), but they've actually been pretty clear in their message that divisions can't be directly compared. This completely explains why. | ||
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GaussWaffle
United States211 Posts
On November 18 2010 05:13 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Who or what are you responding to? Nobody said that the list is based on MMR. It isn't based on MMR. As a few people have said in this thread already, it's based on points adjusted for strength of division. And even though you're correct in arguing that the list isn't based on MMR, your evidence doesn't support it. Point change after a ladder match isn't based solely on MMR. Your point change is based on your opponent's MMR against your actual points and your opponent's point change is based on your MMR against your opponent's actual points. It was an original question not related to any asked before in this thread I wasn't aware of the strength of division aspect of this list. I PMed you Tyler if you could care to help explain the finer points of division strength as well as points earned from a match. Thanks | ||
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NonY
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GaussWaffle
United States211 Posts
On November 18 2010 06:16 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Excalibur_Z is the expert. Here's his latest thread about the system http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142211 thanks for the reference | ||
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Bowdy
United States232 Posts
Duffman I <3 you, this was the funniest exchange I've seen in months. P.S. It's in the new Pony Tales magazine! | ||
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sikatrix
Canada172 Posts
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