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Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
November 18 2010 08:42 GMT
#201
On November 18 2010 04:00 Piy wrote:
You will never beat Protoss as zerg if you play 2 base vs 2 base unless you all in. There is no further need for discussion. It's just mathematically impossible.


Protoss move commands his whole army and you kill it and then counter and attack his base.

wow, that seems totally mathematically impossible. It's almost like your "math" doesn't account for everything!
If you're mad that someone else is brazenly trumpeting their beliefs with ignorance, perhaps you should be mad that you are doing it too.
Wasteweiser
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada522 Posts
November 18 2010 08:53 GMT
#202
Wasn't the entire design of zerg to rely on more bases? They even get 300 minerals on main vs 400 for toss and terran. What your saying is you want to make this game more generic, therefor ruining starcraft.
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gwombat
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore40 Posts
November 18 2010 09:02 GMT
#203
i agree with the OP here, you don't have to be ahead in economy just to be even, assuming that you can be cost effective. an in-base hatch does increase your production capabilities and i would liken this to a terran player adding more barracks to his base.

on the other hand, zerg have the cheapest expo and have difficulty dealing with protoss or terran armies cost effectively, as such there's no reason why it's a bad thing to try and have more bases.

i'm pretty sure that there's more than one way to play zerg, other than just "omg i need to have one more expo" and if there isn't, there should be.
"Just go f*cking kill him!" - Day[9]
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
November 18 2010 12:39 GMT
#204
On November 18 2010 02:12 mOnion wrote:
Only looking at the cost of the hatchery as the only variable for expanding is ignorant. there are a million other things to consider

larvae production is upped.
you'll get an additional queen for inject and creep
creep spread for above reason
zerg units are cheaper and weaker and need to be produced quickly
zerg units are gas heavy so you need the additional gas

and other things I cant think of right now. the economics analogy was merely pointing out that your initial post had lurking variables that you weren't addressing.


If you want more larva you can build the hatch in your base. This now boils down to whether or not your bases can support that extra hatchery. In certain army compositions it can.

Creep spreading from expansions isn't as useful and for the time being is undesirable considering how poorly people scout for expansions.

If zerg units are weaker it's a hint they aren't really cheaper. Frankly I don't think certain zerg units are cheaper for their cost like ultralisks, broodlords and infestors.

Zerg units are not gas heavy. Only some of them are and in the case of banelings in a specific situation (taking out buildings and high hitpoint nonlight units makes banelings a gas heavy unit while hitting light units makes them break even if splitting is used against them are highly efficient if the opponent fails to spread around the army)
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