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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
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Gecko
United States519 Posts
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zoOv
Australia269 Posts
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
Since these are Diamond statistics and I am a mid-Diamond Terran player I am surprised that the stats are so balanced. It does not align with my personal experience at all. I win about 75% of my games vs Zerg and about 25% of my games vs Protoss. Ie playing against Zerg is easy on most maps and playing vs Protoss is a total nightmare. I wonder if my personal experience is unique or if other mid-Diamond players have a similar experience? | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
Its really awesome blizzard actually released this data. Surprising, in fact. However, its hard to say whose data should be considered most when determining who is playing what right and wrong, and overall skill levels. But the fact that no matchup is more imbalanced then 2.6% on Korean server is kind of amazing. | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
the rest was expected due patch no ? | ||
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out4blood
United States313 Posts
On November 08 2010 09:38 iEchoic wrote: I practice in customs TvZ all the time. Despite practicing TvZ many many hours I still can't beat equally-skilled players. There's no point feeding people wins on ladder so I might as well 5rax allin. Your post makes no sense. What makes you think you can tell who is equally skilled? | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
On November 09 2010 02:26 out4blood wrote: Your post makes no sense. What makes you think you can tell who is equally skilled? I play plenty of random players and I crush their T and P and lose to their Z, and they tell me themselves they're not any better at zerg. On ladder I win literally like 80-90% of my TvT and TvP and like 40% of my TvZ (unless I cheese allin). Are you the out4blood from AoK by any chance? | ||
Chill
Calgary25996 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:22 iEchoic wrote: I play plenty of random players and I crush their T and P and lose to their Z, and they tell me themselves they're not any better at zerg. On ladder I win literally like 80-90% of my TvT and TvP and like 40% of my TvZ (unless I cheese allin). Are you the out4blood from AoK by any chance? http://sc2ranks.com/us/625307/iEchoic (80+80+40)/3 = 66.6% You = 1,858 points. Won 442, lost 398 (52.62% wins) Can you explain where the disparity is? If I solve this, you must play vs Zerg 68.45% of the time, and vs the other two races 15.78% of the time. Is that literally your claim? | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:36 Chill wrote: http://sc2ranks.com/us/625307/iEchoic (80+80+40)/3 = 66.6% You = 1,858 points. Won 442, lost 398 (52.62% wins) Can you explain where the disparity is? If I solve this, you must play vs Zerg 68.45% of the time, and vs the other two races 15.78% of the time. Is that literally your claim? I've actually been offracing, I lost about 300 points playing zerg and random over the last 2-3 weeks. And obviously my game history from the beginning of the game isn't going to show anything post-1.1.2. Kind of weird data you're using there. Edit: as I said before, I also manage to get decent win rates vs Z by 5rax allining, which is why I qualified my post above with "unless I cheese allin". | ||
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johngalt90
United States357 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:36 Chill wrote: http://sc2ranks.com/us/625307/iEchoic (80+80+40)/3 = 66.6% You = 1,858 points. Won 442, lost 398 (52.62% wins) Can you explain where the disparity is? If I solve this, you must play vs Zerg 68.45% of the time, and vs the other two races 15.78% of the time. Is that literally your claim? :Owned lol the chill smackdown. | ||
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Gryffes
United Kingdom763 Posts
These stats are just trollbait pure and simple. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
Except his stats make no sense at all and were completely reaching. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:44 iEchoic wrote: Except his stats make no sense at all and were completely reaching. The stats he used make perfect sense. To have achieved a win rate of 80% vs Toss and Terran, a 40% win rate against Zerg, and a 52.62% win rate overall (your win rate) you would have to have played against Zerg 68.45% of the time. This is a highly unlikely event, especially given that Zerg is the least-played race on the ladder, you should only be running into Zerg approx. 28% of the time. 5 rax isn't cheese, btw, it's (apparently) a winning strategy against Zerg. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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MK4512
Canada938 Posts
THESE MEAN NOTHING OUT OF CONTEXT. You (probably) lost because you were WORSE than your opponent. Get over it, and learn to play better. If your convictions are correct about an imba race, when they are patched, you will own them extra hard. I'm not saying don't ever talk about balance, but 99% of the time, its your fault, not your or their units. I seriously think that Blizzard just throws these out there to stir the pot and distract from other things. | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:22 iEchoic wrote: I play plenty of random players and I crush their T and P and lose to their Z, and they tell me themselves they're not any better at zerg. On ladder I win literally like 80-90% of my TvT and TvP and like 40% of my TvZ (unless I cheese allin). Are you the out4blood from AoK by any chance? You just suck at TvZ. | ||
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lol12tree
Canada88 Posts
Source: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1063356808 oGsMC (P) Q. Protoss isn’t doing very well. A. In in-house leagues, I feel that protoss is very hard to play. Zerg became stronger, and PvT became more of a build order risk. sCfOu (T) Q. Your goal for this season? A. I want to advance to the finals. I think I should be fine as long as I don’t play zergs. After the patch, TvZ became too difficult. cOreZenith (P) Q. Protoss hasn’t been doing well in the last 2 seasons. A. They have to nerf marauders. They should also return the old range of 3 to roaches. I also wish they would bring back the old zealots. Protoss is so hard. TSL_GuineaPig (P) Q. How were this season’s qualifiers? A. I played a mirror match-up 3 times. I had to play my weakest PvZ so I thought I would fail, but I’m glad that I won. NEXChoa (P) Q. Are you confident about the main event? A. I’m confident in PvT but playing against zerg is difficult. I want to avoid PvZ’s as much as possible. Cyrano (P) Q. What is your goal this season? A. My goal was to go through the qualifiers, but I’m greedier now. I want to make it to the round of 32 at least and play against a zerg rather than a protoss. I’m worried that all zerg players are very good though. MekaPrime (T) Q. It feels like your TvZ has gotten worse. A. I regret the fact that I didn’t practice enough, but games can go either way, so I shouldn’t be disappointed by it. IMJunwiPrime (Z) Q. You chose zerg after playing random. A. I was initially going to qualify as terran, but I couldn’t handle TvT. I then tried to play protoss, but PvZ was too difficult. So zerg was the only race left. I actually registered as protoss, but changed to zerg at the last minute. My protoss teammates hate me for that. GuMihofOu (R) Q. Is there a race that you are better at? A. The zerg is doing well recently and it’s my most confident race. It tends to change every patch. jookToJung (Z) Q. What do you think about the zerg buff in the recent patch? A. I personally can't believe the current balance in TvZ right now, zerg is way too overpowered. aLivefOu (T) Q. Are you confident about the main event? A. I already told people that if I make it through today, I will get Code S and advance to the final. I think I can even win if I refine my TvZ. FOX_Bless a.k.a. Lyn (T) Q. Did you refine your TvP? A. It's my most confident match-up. People around me know me for my TvP, but I lost last time, because I made a mistake. IMmvp (T) Q. You're known to have very strong TvZ. A. After I got knocked out, I became a 'terran QQ'. TvZ is very difficult, actually, TvP is very difficult too. I want 'terran QQ' to be my concept. SlayerS_BoxeR (T) Q. We are expecting a strong showing from zergs this season. A. Zergs found a way to win even with smaller sample of representation. Now, more zergs are participating, because zerg became better. I hope that trend continues, so that the development team realizes something is wrong. I really hope zergs have a strong showing, but I hope I'm not one of their preys. ST_Steak a.k.a. JulyZerg (Z) Q. The patch must have helped the zergs. A. I think the balance right now is fine, but other terrans and protosses don't seem to think so. You have to admit that zerg was underpowered in the beginning. Terran and protoss should be able to adjust as time passes, just like zerg did. CheckPrime (Z) Q. You were one of the bigger 'zerg QQ's. A. I got flamed too much, so I think I'll stay quiet for now. I heard that zerg has qualified the most so far, so I guess zerg is strong now. NEXGenius (P) Q. What makes it so hard to play? A. Terrans are grabbing timing windows too quickly. They don't let the protoss be alone in the early game. Zerg is hard to play against because of the recent patch. Genius decides to change race -> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170725¤tpage=All ([b]it has been suggested by many, and logically so, that he may not be serious, you can trust him, or not) Fruitdealer says PvT, the P needs a buff at the season 2 qualifiers when sSKS failed to qualify sSKS and SangHo thinks TvP is OP, in fact in the GOM TV Clan Special [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=166818] sSKS got 1st place inside TSL by defeating SangHo in the finals AS Terran and says , "terrans op" Fruitdealer says zerg is op in GSL S3 Interview After Ro64 win KyrixZenith says zerg is op when he won GSL All-Stars HongUnPrime says zerg roaches are over powered with recent buff sSKS and InCa said they were considering changing race because of imbalance in Gisado's stream chat (not sure how serious they were, they COULD have been joking around, I personally think they were) | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On November 09 2010 06:36 Chill wrote: http://sc2ranks.com/us/625307/iEchoic (80+80+40)/3 = 66.6% You = 1,858 points. Won 442, lost 398 (52.62% wins) Can you explain where the disparity is? If I solve this, you must play vs Zerg 68.45% of the time, and vs the other two races 15.78% of the time. Is that literally your claim? Even if IEchoic's stats are true, they would actually show that TvP is horribly T favored and TvZ is either balanced or slightly Z favored. See what happens when you try to pass off anecdotal evidence as real evidence? | ||
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