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blackh3d
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia49 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 05:54:33
November 26 2010 05:52 GMT
#261
Percentages do not mean anything. Too many variables make this post by blizzard near irrelevant.

Personally, I think this post is a means for Blizzard to justify its own patch decisions.

[edited for content]
sl0w
Profile Joined July 2010
United States447 Posts
November 26 2010 05:59 GMT
#262
Quite odd PvT win rate is so high in NA but below 50% on KR. Then again, KR server has so many damn good terrans am I right?
DROPPINBOMBS
Profile Joined April 2010
United States312 Posts
November 26 2010 06:08 GMT
#263
Look at the balance in Korea.
Ideas are bullet-proof.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 26 2010 06:09 GMT
#264
If they could release win ratio's by both matchup and elapsed time, it could give a bigger insight into what is suspected.

ie. 0-8 minutes
- PvT 43%
8-15 minutes
-PvT 50%
15+
-PvT 57%

Again these numbers are arbitrary, and by no means biased, but something like that would also be a good indicator of the state of balance, and possibly why it feels that way.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 06:13:06
November 26 2010 06:12 GMT
#265
On November 26 2010 14:39 lol12tree wrote:
GSL 3 QUALIFIER THOUGHTS INTERVIEW

Source: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1063356808


Show nested quote +

oGsMC (P)
Q. Protoss isn’t doing very well.
A. In in-house leagues, I feel that protoss is very hard to play. Zerg became stronger, and PvT became more of a build order risk.

sCfOu (T)
Q. Your goal for this season?
A. I want to advance to the finals. I think I should be fine as long as I don’t play zergs. After the patch, TvZ became too difficult.

cOreZenith (P)
Q. Protoss hasn’t been doing well in the last 2 seasons.
A. They have to nerf marauders. They should also return the old range of 3 to roaches. I also wish they would bring back the old zealots. Protoss is so hard.

TSL_GuineaPig (P)
Q. How were this season’s qualifiers?
A. I played a mirror match-up 3 times. I had to play my weakest PvZ so I thought I would fail, but I’m glad that I won.

NEXChoa (P)
Q. Are you confident about the main event?
A. I’m confident in PvT but playing against zerg is difficult. I want to avoid PvZ’s as much as possible.

Cyrano (P)
Q. What is your goal this season?
A. My goal was to go through the qualifiers, but I’m greedier now. I want to make it to the round of 32 at least and play against a zerg rather than a protoss. I’m worried that all zerg players are very good though.

MekaPrime (T)
Q. It feels like your TvZ has gotten worse.
A. I regret the fact that I didn’t practice enough, but games can go either way, so I shouldn’t be disappointed by it.

IMJunwiPrime (Z)
Q. You chose zerg after playing random.
A. I was initially going to qualify as terran, but I couldn’t handle TvT. I then tried to play protoss, but PvZ was too difficult. So zerg was the only race left. I actually registered as protoss, but changed to zerg at the last minute. My protoss teammates hate me for that.

GuMihofOu (R)
Q. Is there a race that you are better at?
A. The zerg is doing well recently and it’s my most confident race. It tends to change every patch.

jookToJung (Z)
Q. What do you think about the zerg buff in the recent patch?
A. I personally can't believe the current balance in TvZ right now, zerg is way too overpowered.

aLivefOu (T)
Q. Are you confident about the main event?
A. I already told people that if I make it through today, I will get Code S and advance to the final. I think I can even win if I refine my TvZ.

FOX_Bless a.k.a. Lyn (T)
Q. Did you refine your TvP?
A. It's my most confident match-up. People around me know me for my TvP, but I lost last time, because I made a mistake.

IMmvp (T)
Q. You're known to have very strong TvZ.
A. After I got knocked out, I became a 'terran QQ'. TvZ is very difficult, actually, TvP is very difficult too. I want 'terran QQ' to be my concept.

SlayerS_BoxeR (T)
Q. We are expecting a strong showing from zergs this season.
A. Zergs found a way to win even with smaller sample of representation. Now, more zergs are participating, because zerg became better. I hope that trend continues, so that the development team realizes something is wrong. I really hope zergs have a strong showing, but I hope I'm not one of their preys.

ST_Steak a.k.a. JulyZerg (Z)
Q. The patch must have helped the zergs.
A. I think the balance right now is fine, but other terrans and protosses don't seem to think so. You have to admit that zerg was underpowered in the beginning. Terran and protoss should be able to adjust as time passes, just like zerg did.

CheckPrime (Z)
Q. You were one of the bigger 'zerg QQ's.
A. I got flamed too much, so I think I'll stay quiet for now. I heard that zerg has qualified the most so far, so I guess zerg is strong now.


NEXGenius (P)
Q. What makes it so hard to play?
A. Terrans are grabbing timing windows too quickly. They don't let the protoss be alone in the early game. Zerg is hard to play against because of the recent patch.


Genius decides to change race -> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170725&currentpage=All ([b]it has been suggested by many, and logically so, that he may not be serious, you can trust him, or not)

Fruitdealer says PvT, the P needs a buff at the season 2 qualifiers when sSKS failed to qualify

sSKS and SangHo thinks TvP is OP, in fact in the GOM TV Clan Special [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=166818]
sSKS got 1st place inside TSL by defeating SangHo in the finals AS Terran and says , "terrans op"

Fruitdealer says zerg is op in GSL S3 Interview After Ro64 win

KyrixZenith says zerg is op when he won GSL All-Stars

HongUnPrime says zerg roaches are over powered with recent buff

sSKS and InCa said they were considering changing race because of imbalance in Gisado's stream chat (not sure how serious they were, they COULD have been joking around, I personally think they were)


Everyone in those interviews is biased. Now XvZ became harder to play, but that does not mean much about game balance.

Fruitdealer said zerg is op just as a joke, you can't take that serious.
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17282 Posts
November 26 2010 06:26 GMT
#266
I almost wish they didn't release these at all. People are going to be trying to draw so many flawed conclusions from this =/.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Guard
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada43 Posts
November 26 2010 06:29 GMT
#267
On November 26 2010 15:09 Amui wrote:
If they could release win ratio's by both matchup and elapsed time, it could give a bigger insight into what is suspected.

ie. 0-8 minutes
- PvT 43%
8-15 minutes
-PvT 50%
15+
-PvT 57%

Again these numbers are arbitrary, and by no means biased, but something like that would also be a good indicator of the state of balance, and possibly why it feels that way.


Why not take this whole thing a step further and make graphs of win % vs time? This would be absolutely amazing for both players themselves and blizzard. I really do not like when 1 number is supposed to mean something. Okay fine it's 3 numbers.
Shinkugami
Profile Joined November 2010
England74 Posts
November 26 2010 06:48 GMT
#268
On November 07 2010 17:26 blade55555 wrote:
thats actually really interesting how zerg has a better win% on NA but Euro is complete opposite (55.0% tvz wow) and 51% pvz isn't too bad thats really close to 50% but this obviously is counting all diamond games not just top top player games but still interesting to see ^^.

Thanks for posting


You wouldn't say that if you saw how most zergs (even in diamond!) play on the Euro server.

- 3 spines
- 40 roaches
- 1a

And i'm not even kidding...
Rock on !
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
November 26 2010 06:53 GMT
#269
i wish they would release them again
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Hyst3ria
Profile Joined December 2007
United States167 Posts
November 26 2010 06:54 GMT
#270
All NA Protosses do is 4 gate.

I'm pretty sure it's different in Korea as anyone can win with a 4 gate.
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
November 26 2010 06:58 GMT
#271
Obviously european terrans are just extremely good

Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
November 26 2010 07:05 GMT
#272
Chill's comments are meaningless as those stats are since launch, where as zerg has only been recently buffed.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
November 26 2010 21:31 GMT
#273
On November 07 2010 17:35 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 17:24 Dommk wrote:
Click for Full blog post





North America – Diamond
  • PvT - 56.5%
  • PvZ - 47.9%
  • TvZ - 49.1%

Korea – Diamond
  • PvT - 48.3%
  • PvZ - 47.4%
  • TvZ - 50.5%

Europe – Diamond
  • PvT - 45.3%
  • PvZ - 51.6%
  • TvZ - 55.0%

SEA – Diamond
  • PvT 54.9%
  • PvZ 45.0%
  • TvZ 46.8%



Pretty interesting to see how different each region is


The stats show that Zerg is OP in 3 out of 4 regions. Not surprising - this is something the community suspected aleady.

Lol you can't be OP in 3 out of the 4 regions when they all are running the same game.
positron.
Profile Joined May 2010
634 Posts
November 26 2010 21:40 GMT
#274
Way to go Blizz. This is one useless set of numbers.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-26 21:41:52
November 26 2010 21:41 GMT
#275
Wow every single matchup flips majority winners across the regions. Very impressive balancing by Blizzard. I'm sure many of us have our wishes but from here on out I think it will be very difficult to prove the necessity of a desired change. Also, you can see how hard it must be for Blizzard with people QQing very differently based on region.

EDIT: Hope we can see some map info because that is the pressing issue right now, rather than races.
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
November 26 2010 22:08 GMT
#276
Aren't these outdated at this point? I'm pretty sure they released newer numbers a while ago.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
November 26 2010 22:20 GMT
#277
Wish they would give a closer break down instead of taking diamond as a whole, maybe break it down into 200-500pt segments would be interesting to see how the threads are then.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
November 26 2010 22:26 GMT
#278
Well if we look at Dreamhack Zerg is UP as there are no Zergs in Ro8.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
November 26 2010 22:38 GMT
#279
Wonder why blizz is even realesing this.

This doesn't say a whole lot.

Even in blizzcon Browder was talking that map (of course) is a big factor in balance. And yet they just throw out diamond league numbers.

Only when we see numbers per map and for players above a certain rating this discussion can get interesting.



FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11563 Posts
November 26 2010 22:40 GMT
#280
What I would like to see are the stats of the 200 best players instead of all of the diamond players :/
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
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