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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 08 2010 09:26 Vokasak wrote: The lengths people go to, just to avoid remembering to spawn on time. :[ It's not just useful for that--if you know you'll have to divert your attention elsewhere in the near future (e.g. you're preparing to attack), you can spend more actions now to queue larva spawns so that you don't have to do them later. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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TheMick
Great Britain164 Posts
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
1) Wouldn't this guarantee that you miss an injection cycle at the very beginning, given that if you inject before starting you can't queue injections? 2) If that's not an issue for some reason that I've missed, then would it be possible to a-move to the edge of the creep, travel off the creep for the requisite time, and then return to inject so that you are always immediately next to creep but still get the slow speed to make it last long enough? Or does the Queen move too fast off creep to do that? If the Queen is slow enough then it would be an easy way to keep it close to creep for emergency mobility. | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
this sound like a waste of APM and queen's abilities.... | ||
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
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Techno
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Obelisk7
Korea (South)65 Posts
Obviously you'll have to practice it more, but basically post replays and SHOW people the viability of it. Another thing mentioned in this thread that should be explored is the idea of building placement to reflect the use of this technique. How far away can you put your spawning pool SAFE to reduce the number of "Markers" you would need to make, hence allowing you to queue more commands? Doing a technique like this will generally be used during those "quiet" periods. You know the times when your playing where you successfully harressed and have a time window to macro up? You do THIS technique during those times. You do attacks, or prevent harressed...and then every available window you use this technique when you need auto-larva spawn. You can do it the old way when things get too busy, yes. But when times are peaceful, this is a great way to haress more EARLY. Ususally players are busy macroing up and have to wait on "attack time windows" ...basically where they feel they can attack a opponent and took care of things at base, before going out. Getting at least one required to-do automated (the queen larva injects) where you can queue up a creep tumor with it...and knowing in which situations you can use it, is great. You can decrease the time you wait for your attack time window, have things running smooth to pump units out in case you need units to constantly poor into the enemies base...and you can do it all without leaving the screen where your units are attack. You can micro, hotkey+pump units, go back to micro. No need to go back to base to use your queens after a larva inject cooldown to place it on the hatches again. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
You get used to doing this then come across a long macro oriented game where you have multiple bases. Do you do this for every base (wasting 30-40 seconds setting up) or do it a more traditional way? Doing this early game and then transitioning into a more 'traditional' way later on will only cripple you since you will not be able to the later (often more critical) portions of the game as effectively. I don't play Zerg but IIRC if you select all your queens and use backspace and v you should be able to do an infinite number of hatcheries provided you have a queen at every hatch and they all have enough energy. The basic method is: Select all queens hold in shift hit v backspace click repeat above two for all hatcheries | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
It would be cool if Blizzard patched it so that a larva inject could be attempted regardless of energy or inject status and would just fail at the time at which the cast was attempted, but they won't. They're too fond of their artificial APM dump. | ||
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
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Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
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Melancholia
United States717 Posts
-Edit- Do you mean that the Queen will be placing the tumor sometime after 25 energy and skipping an injection cycle? I was working under the assumption that we were trying to do this without missing an injection or delaying spending energy at 25. | ||
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Metaphysic
63 Posts
I don't really see why people are bashing this; it only takes a couple more seconds than going back to your hatchery and spawning larva every time the cooldown comes up, only this method leaves you room for error. | ||
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EternaLEnVy
Canada513 Posts
On September 08 2010 15:27 Metaphysic wrote: I threw together a video of doing this after some practice. The setup takes a little more than 5 seconds, after which I get 4 automated spawns. This can be done with a newly spawned queen as well. I don't really see why people are bashing this; it only takes a couple more seconds than going back to your hatchery and spawning larva every time the cooldown comes up, only this method leaves you room for error. It certainly does work if your opponent leaves you alone. I'm thinking of incorporating this into my play but my biggest problem with this tactic is that what if you require your queen for defense, then you have 13 energy after your done using your queen? I guess if your really good at this then you know how many cycles it takes to recharge it back up to 25 energy... unless you cant queue unless u have energy? | ||
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Metaphysic
63 Posts
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kalleralle
Sweden183 Posts
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dham
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