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luckySe7en
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
148 Posts
September 08 2010 07:22 GMT
#261
what about some other system such as:

instead of using a queen to time the spawn larvae, have a zergling do shift+qeue laps around the base, and every 1 minute, it attacks your hatchery. it produces a "your base is under attack". you know that when that happens, it's time to spawn larvae on all your hatcheries. after you do spawn larvae, u tell ur zergling to restart his shift+queu route for the next 1 minute (or however long spawn larvae takes)
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
September 08 2010 07:49 GMT
#262
I suppose I was overestimating the time commitment with the setup, a 5 second delay in the first cast would be worth it in some situations. I feel like travelling off creep within your base, say to the side where you aren't likely to be spreading creep soon or ever, would help you queue many more casts per setup.
Dirich
Profile Joined September 2010
Italy101 Posts
September 08 2010 11:27 GMT
#263
I heard about a technique where you put all your queens in 1 control group and then do something (the problem is I don't exactly remember, it has to do with shift clicking in the middle of your screen) and all your queens inject at the same time, without you having to switch visual.
Sadly I do not remember where I read and up to now I have not been able to reproduce the trick.
Anyone else knows about this?
Kamisei
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands6 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 15:32:01
September 08 2010 15:19 GMT
#264
Poster above me. Put all hatcheries in 1 group, and all queens. select the group with all the queens, hold shift, press the hotkey you have for inject, leftclick the hatch, all the while holding shift pressed, press backspace, leftclick hatch, etc.
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
September 08 2010 18:13 GMT
#265
You don't need to have the hatcheries in one group for the trick to work, you just should as a general gameplay tip. To clarify why that technique works, you press v to select spawn larva, hold shift so you can cast it multiple times in a row, and press backspace because it centers your screen on each of your hatcheries in succession.
vizniz
Profile Joined May 2010
United States120 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-08 18:24:26
September 08 2010 18:23 GMT
#266
On September 08 2010 20:27 Dirich wrote:
I heard about a technique where you put all your queens in 1 control group and then do something (the problem is I don't exactly remember, it has to do with shift clicking in the middle of your screen) and all your queens inject at the same time, without you having to switch visual.
Sadly I do not remember where I read and up to now I have not been able to reproduce the trick.
Anyone else knows about this?


1. Select queen control group of lets say 3 queens (one at each base).
2. Press backspace. (This centers the camera over one of your bases).
3. Hold shift (left hand, right shift) and press v.
4. Click the first hatchery, press backspace.
5. Repeat 4 as necessary.

Since backspace centers the camera on your next hatchery, you don't need to move the mouse again. You can backspace+click really quickly, and since you've held shift when you pressed v, it will select the closest queen to use.

As to the OP, I like it. Not entirely sure how useful it is, but it's nice to see this innovation. I'll try it sometime.
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
September 08 2010 21:13 GMT
#267
lol this is genius. Will try use it on my ninja expansions since they never get spawned lol. can u put in screenshots ?
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
September 08 2010 21:18 GMT
#268
Imagine, you just finish setting up the queues and a reaper hops into your main...
:)
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
September 08 2010 21:35 GMT
#269
Cute trick but imo it is better to just check the queen's energy or the cycles on the hatch, you don't lose 7-10 sec at all doing so and it can be pretty acurate with proper apm/multitasking. You also need that first creep tumor pretty fast, ruining the cycle (maybe not if you could time it but well).
teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
September 08 2010 21:54 GMT
#270
On September 09 2010 06:35 Roggay wrote:
Cute trick but imo it is better to just check the queen's energy or the cycles on the hatch, you don't lose 7-10 sec at all doing so and it can be pretty acurate with proper apm/multitasking. You also need that first creep tumor pretty fast, ruining the cycle (maybe not if you could time it but well).


The point is to do this when you have the spare time, it will save your time in the future. Even if you only have the time to queue for 1-2 cycles it still helps. You don't really need to do the full thing all the time (spend 10 seconds).
EppE
Profile Joined July 2010
United States221 Posts
September 08 2010 22:00 GMT
#271
On September 09 2010 06:35 Roggay wrote:
Cute trick but imo it is better to just check the queen's energy or the cycles on the hatch, you don't lose 7-10 sec at all doing so and it can be pretty acurate with proper apm/multitasking. You also need that first creep tumor pretty fast, ruining the cycle (maybe not if you could time it but well).



Did you read past the OP? There are dozens of replys expanding on the idea and it's viability. They pretty much debunked the moronic ZOMG BE BETTRZ AT MACRO awhile ago. Which is more or less how I took your post.
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
September 10 2010 10:56 GMT
#272
can't believe i missed this thread all thsi time....does it work or not.
i like cheese
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
September 10 2010 12:54 GMT
#273
I saw a vid of a russian guy doing this ~2weeks ago.

is the youtube link.


I personally dont think it's usable in a real game, because my queens have to do other stuff.



Is a technique I try to use in larger macro games (though I almost always forget to do it, because I cannot deal with the pressure correctly).
winternova
Profile Joined September 2010
48 Posts
September 17 2010 18:13 GMT
#274
should test shift+patrol + v to see if it works with this.
JrK
Profile Joined June 2010
United States283 Posts
September 17 2010 18:16 GMT
#275
Patrol can only hold a limited amount of ques I believe.
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Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 18:38:57
September 17 2010 18:38 GMT
#276
i find this might put the queen at to much risk of being atked and killed off. also it will get you into the habbit of leaving your queen alone. when you start to macro or go into huge battles and your queen is at the end of its shift clicking cycle then it will stop and you will naturally forget to spawn larva or forget to re que up the shifts.

so i dont see how this can possibly work out as the game progresses. sure it might work for the first 10 mins, but after that its best to just go off memory and just remember to spawn larva when needed. because either way, it doesnt matter if you use this trick or not, you STILL have to remember to do it.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
September 17 2010 18:40 GMT
#277
I appreciate the effort but in general I think being responsible about cycling your hotkeys is just as effective and doesn't require as much caring.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
winternova
Profile Joined September 2010
48 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-17 19:57:03
September 17 2010 19:56 GMT
#278
@jrk
yea, but does the queen stop during patrol and inject larva? at which point the one patrol command with shift+v should be tested.


Edit: Plus the queen would defend in the event of an early rush.
HunterStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada249 Posts
September 17 2010 20:00 GMT
#279
Very interesting read. I'll have to give this a try!
winternova
Profile Joined September 2010
48 Posts
September 17 2010 20:05 GMT
#280
Thinking about this (I will test tonight and try and confirm in here), but if you patrol+shift+v you will still have to go back and patrol+shift+v after every injection... still could be useful if you go back to your hatch and the last injection hasn't finished yet.
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