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On August 29 2010 05:13 Snaiil wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 05:04 SolHeiM wrote:On August 29 2010 05:02 Antoine wrote:On August 29 2010 04:56 emperorchampion wrote:On August 29 2010 04:44 Antoine wrote:On August 29 2010 04:39 Kennigit wrote:On August 29 2010 04:31 Antoine wrote:
proxy
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proximity Proximity = distance....used to imply an unusually shore distance from building to nme base. You just got served by self. i'm not arguing about the definition of proximity. i'm saying that proxy is not short for proximity, but has a different meaning instead. technically proximity could be right as they're using it, but one of them tried to explain earlier that people say proxy meaning proximity, which isn't true. Basically you are arguing that you have no idea what you are talking about, and are trying to save some face, meanwhile making your self look like a complete idiot.  yeah you caught me  Mothxal did a good job summarizing about the difference. It's annoying that HD and Husky are changing terminology from something I, and the whole rest of the community, have used for years. So what you're saying is you get annoyed because people don't use the same lingo as you do? Because people do not talk the same way you do? That's ridiculous. It's easy to notice these differences in lingo, and that kind of ruins the flow a commentator should have. It's like if they repeatedly pronounce a word wrong or is saying Citadel of Adun instead of Twilight Council, sure, it's not that big of a deal, but you still notice it and it's annoying. And it's not just the lingo Antoine uses, it's the lingo the whole community uses. But as I said, it isn't that big of deal. It's not like HD is a bad caster for saying proximity instead of proxy, but it's still annoying.
Language evolves and changes all the time. I don't understand why you are wasting mental energy on being annoyed at something that at the end of the day doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form.
But to each their own, I guess.
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HD and Husky were my introduction to sc2 early beta casting, so I definitely should give them props for that, but for some reason I just don't enjoy their casting much anymore. Day9 is the best, but he is by no means perfect. He really needs to stop with his 'yeah, yeah, yeah' comments. Apollo at ESL were horrible. He and Day9 had absolutely no chemistry at all. No natural pauses and transitions, so I hope that was the last time we see them paired up.
I hate how HD forces his voice to sound different when something action packed is going on. It just sounds retarded and not professional at all. With Husky I just gets the feeling of being spammed relentlessly so it gets so exhausting to listen to after a while.
Obviously this is all personal opinions and we will all have different views on this, but I think we all have to give them props for being there covering it.
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I like all 4 of the commentators.
Husky's voice is annoying sometimes though.
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On August 29 2010 05:09 Redmark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 05:03 floor exercise wrote:
It's just a really common misconception among people that proxy has always been short for proximity because it's an easier term to understand the application of than proxy. It's easy to see where the confusion comes from. Even if the audience understands what proxy means (not everyone will), it's hard to make the connection of what the building is actually a proxy for. If it's a barracks, it's a proxy for... placing barracks at your main and marching the units across the map. It's really unintuitive. Ideally we'd replace all the random terms like 'cheese' and 'gosu' and the such but obviously they're too entrenched.
Ultimately it doesn't matter as long as the audience understands that proxy = something outside your base.
The confusion arises when people claim something outside your base isn't a proxy because it's not closer to your enemy, if you're merely doing it to hide it. By pretending proxy means proximity it becomes a very narrow term to define a building you are using to rush with.
Since the beginning of SC it's been referred to as a "proxy robotics" or proxy dt tech or whatever you will. Not to mention production facilities that aren't necessarily closer, just obscured by being outside of your base. I remember a King of the Beta game where the terran built his starport in another main to hide his banshees. Would someone honestly try to argue it ceases being a proxy because it's not closer? It gets kind of absurd.
The fact is "proxy" on its own works and has always worked without other requirements being met like the relative distance to your enemy.
We're not really advocating the evolution of language so much as its devolution by saying proxy is short for proximity. It's kind of silly to use a constrictive term to replace a more broad, accurate one.
But at the end of the day it doesn't matter as long as people watching understand what is going on. I doubt Ursadons share a common genus with polar bears
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On August 29 2010 05:16 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 05:13 Snaiil wrote:On August 29 2010 05:04 SolHeiM wrote:On August 29 2010 05:02 Antoine wrote:On August 29 2010 04:56 emperorchampion wrote:On August 29 2010 04:44 Antoine wrote:On August 29 2010 04:39 Kennigit wrote:On August 29 2010 04:31 Antoine wrote:
proxy
DOES
NOT
MEAN
proximity Proximity = distance....used to imply an unusually shore distance from building to nme base. You just got served by self. i'm not arguing about the definition of proximity. i'm saying that proxy is not short for proximity, but has a different meaning instead. technically proximity could be right as they're using it, but one of them tried to explain earlier that people say proxy meaning proximity, which isn't true. Basically you are arguing that you have no idea what you are talking about, and are trying to save some face, meanwhile making your self look like a complete idiot. yeah you caught me Mothxal did a good job summarizing about the difference. It's annoying that HD and Husky are changing terminology from something I, and the whole rest of the community, have used for years. So what you're saying is you get annoyed because people don't use the same lingo as you do? Because people do not talk the same way you do? That's ridiculous. It's easy to notice these differences in lingo, and that kind of ruins the flow a commentator should have. It's like if they repeatedly pronounce a word wrong or is saying Citadel of Adun instead of Twilight Council, sure, it's not that big of a deal, but you still notice it and it's annoying. And it's not just the lingo Antoine uses, it's the lingo the whole community uses. But as I said, it isn't that big of deal. It's not like HD is a bad caster for saying proximity instead of proxy, but it's still annoying. Language evolves and changes all the time. I don't understand why you are wasting mental energy on being annoyed at something that at the end of the day doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form. But to each their own, I guess.
Language evolution is okay. Spreading false origins for terms and folk etymologies is just confusing and unnecessary. Saying something that's false shouldn't be justified under "language evolution."
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In a perfect world (with the right funding of course) I actually think that JP and Day would be fantastic for a desk team. JP screams professional and is very, very good at guiding a discussion. I'd add a third member that is a little more serious than Day to balance each other out and just let JP moderate/MC. Day's analysis and ability to fill time would be essential for this position.
Then you'd have play by play teams. Honestly, I'm not crazy about HD and Husky, but put them with an "expert" that can chime in and you've got some potential.
There's a reason that most sports broadcasts team a play by play person with a color commentator that is usually a former player of whatever sport. You have expertise in the commentator and professional broadcasting from the play by play guy.
I really have a more complete vision I'd go with given the funding/bandwidth to pull it off, but that discussion would be better for a blog post.
The one specific piece of feedback I'd give for the current setup is Husky, get a jacket and lose the hoody. The other three look immensely more professional than you do. Professionalism is how you get esports to go more mainstream and bring in the bigger sponsors. At the moment you're the stereotypical skinny nerd. I do love the enthusiasm and saw a difference in your commentary from yesterday to today for the better..
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On August 29 2010 05:16 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 05:13 Snaiil wrote:On August 29 2010 05:04 SolHeiM wrote:On August 29 2010 05:02 Antoine wrote:On August 29 2010 04:56 emperorchampion wrote:On August 29 2010 04:44 Antoine wrote:On August 29 2010 04:39 Kennigit wrote:On August 29 2010 04:31 Antoine wrote:
proxy
DOES
NOT
MEAN
proximity Proximity = distance....used to imply an unusually shore distance from building to nme base. You just got served by self. i'm not arguing about the definition of proximity. i'm saying that proxy is not short for proximity, but has a different meaning instead. technically proximity could be right as they're using it, but one of them tried to explain earlier that people say proxy meaning proximity, which isn't true. Basically you are arguing that you have no idea what you are talking about, and are trying to save some face, meanwhile making your self look like a complete idiot. yeah you caught me Mothxal did a good job summarizing about the difference. It's annoying that HD and Husky are changing terminology from something I, and the whole rest of the community, have used for years. So what you're saying is you get annoyed because people don't use the same lingo as you do? Because people do not talk the same way you do? That's ridiculous. It's easy to notice these differences in lingo, and that kind of ruins the flow a commentator should have. It's like if they repeatedly pronounce a word wrong or is saying Citadel of Adun instead of Twilight Council, sure, it's not that big of a deal, but you still notice it and it's annoying. And it's not just the lingo Antoine uses, it's the lingo the whole community uses. But as I said, it isn't that big of deal. It's not like HD is a bad caster for saying proximity instead of proxy, but it's still annoying. Language evolves and changes all the time. I don't understand why you are wasting mental energy on being annoyed at something that at the end of the day doesn't affect you in any way, shape or form. But to each their own, I guess.
It's just like if someone is using incorrect grammar, you notice it and even if you understand what the person is trying to say, you get stuck at noticing these errors which eliminates the flow in the conversation. And this is especially annoying if a caster is doing it as flow is very important when casting.
Also, it's not like I decide "hey, I'm going waste mental energy on noticing when HD says proximity instead of proxy!", it just happens.
But as you say, people react differently, to each their own indeed.
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On August 29 2010 05:35 ey215 wrote:
The one specific piece of feedback I'd give for the current setup is Husky, get a jacket and lose the hoody. The other three look immensely more professional than you do.
I don't really get the jacket-thing, to me it looks rather awkward than any way of professional. http://www.mymym.com/gfx/tasteless-bunny-blizzcon.jpg This is how Tasteless did cast the Blizzcon (I wouldn't dare to say this wouldn't go by "professional") SCBW matches, and it feels just so much more authentic, instead of everyone wearing the same, boring black jacket - which really does look even worse with a T-shirt underneath btw.
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JP should stop staring at Day9 while he (JP) is talking. Look at the camera more, the audience, thanks!
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Personally. The best from the streams I've seen (beeing EU and all) is the duo of HD and Day9. After some small blunder where they were getting used to each other, I feel they had good chemistry and HD's voice is good for beeing the backbone of a comment where Day9s knowlegde and excitement shines through. One thing that do ge t annoying every now and then is the constant 'ladies and gentlemen' from HD, but no biggy. His genes (voice) makes up for that  .
HD and Husky don't go well together, and I feel personally that Husky is fitting for the more younger people (not that I am old to any degree), but there is something about him that seems shabby and his voice isn't providing anything good to the soup. He needs to talk slower and simply calm down.
I honestly don't feel Husky has 'grown' with his popularity, like the crap about Pylo the pylon, I find that lame to actually cast and bring up. I neither find it funny or cute in any way. It's a damn pylon for gods sake. And he loses focus when stuff is getting stormed, more annoying then entertaining.
I am not saying Husky is bad, but that his place as commentator here is a little wrong. What he does to get people interested in the game (along with HD) is great. It's basically him that got my interest to the game, and then you learn more and more and you find better alternatives. He's the practice league of commentating, basically.
So Day9 + JP or HD is for me the perfect setup from what's aviliable.
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On August 29 2010 05:54 rocklobster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 05:35 ey215 wrote:
The one specific piece of feedback I'd give for the current setup is Husky, get a jacket and lose the hoody. The other three look immensely more professional than you do. I don't really get the jacket-thing, to me it looks rather awkward than any way of professional. http://www.mymym.com/gfx/tasteless-bunny-blizzcon.jpg This is how Tasteless did cast the Blizzcon (I wouldn't dare to say this wouldn't go by "professional") SCBW matches, and it feels just so much more authentic, instead of everyone wearing the same, boring black jacket - which really does look even worse with a T-shirt underneath btw.
Cool shirts beat jackets! so true :-)
Not a fan of the hoody though, he should wear some kind of shirt (dont care if tshirt/poloshirt/ normal Button shirt). Jackets make day 9 / Hd / Jp not look proffessional but awkward.
Some kind of table on screen would help too & interaction with crowd/players.
All in all its a good show though :-)
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This douchebagery has got to stop. You don't like the commentators. Thats fine. You're not paying for it (well maybe you did, but you knew they were casting). Seriously, just let it go. Enjoy the event. Don't watch their YouTube channel. Just enjoy it. Stop being so angry.
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So Day9 + JP or HD is for me the perfect setup from what's aviliable.
Yeah. And for me I like to use proxy as proximity. proxy as a hidden tech is usually just defined as hidden tech.
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ROFL day9 and his comments bout girls and his female build order
8 - movie
9 - dinner
12 - kiss
if that don't work I go for a bit of harass
lol epic
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On August 29 2010 06:11 kilgr20 wrote:
ROFL day9 and his comments bout girls and his female build order
8 - movie
9 - dinner
12 - kiss
if that don't work I go for a bit of harass
lol epic
10 dinner sir, dont miss up the BO or else you are putting yourself behind early
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anyone else notice when ever somthing exiting happens hd's voice changes to a really annoying over exaggerated squealing sound
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kiwikaki too close to husky lol
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On August 29 2010 06:21 fabiano wrote:
kiwikaki too close to husky lol
did you see husky try to scoot over during the interview lol
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man, so many of my gamer friends and caster friends are all there. I wish I had the money to go to these things, or like them I was famous enough to be paid to go.
Ok emo moment over.
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