EPTThe Truth About Diamond League - Page 28
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
An invite only forum, or AT LEAST a few threads would be good. I don't think a, "lols ok, only we diamond players get to talk in THIS forum suckers!" idea is good, but a few threads, like TvZ balance, etc. will do us good. I think the less people invited, the better. That cuts down on any jealousy factor, the same as people don't read an interview with TLO and think, "hey, how come I don't get to interview him??" Anyways, it's not like lower league people will be stopped from posting. They can make the exact same topic, hell, even quote the other thread word for word if they wanted to. | ||
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arnold(soTa)
Sweden352 Posts
the real test of skills is tournaments, ladder at this point is meaningless as rating can be obtained soley by massing games and not sucking completly. seems you get more pts every time you win than when you lose also, which really bothers. This means grinders will be rewarded simply for grinding out games rather than winning them... I'd love it if ladder was simple where you had all diamond players in one big division and ranked them from 1-1000 or whatever, made win/loss hurt/gain you just as much, then maybe ladder would actually mean a thing..right now I grind ladder mostly to play against better players, the higher I get the more likely I am to run into a good player. Also getting good players do contribute in forums such as these have always been a problem, lowers contradicting and throwing out crazy arguments etc doesnt help.. I dont think there is a sollution.. just deal with it. | ||
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Twaxter
Canada190 Posts
 I was D+ in brood war, and this fits, as a 600 zerg in sc2 hopefully I can improve ! | ||
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Three
Japan278 Posts
The relation to brood war letters is not so good. If the ranking system is norm-referenced to other players (it is) then it doesnt really make sense to say someone is not good at starcraft 2 because they were not an A player in starcraft 1. We are only good or not in relation to one another. If everyone minus 50 people at "B" rank can only play at what you consider a "C" level of mastery in starcraft 2, then your analogy is immediately wrong. Those letter ranks were based on a distribution of skill level relative to other people. People who practiced starcraft 1 for thousands of hours are not necessarily going to start out at the same level in starcraft 2, and the game should not be immediately held to the same standard of macro/build order mastery/micro mastery. Sorry but I find that part of the OP annoying. The top of the top in sc2 do not understand their game as well as the top of the top in sc1. | ||
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Decko
United States150 Posts
The problem with any form of discussion is our American culture that makes us total and complete narcissists. Everyone is right, the person arguing against you is always wrong, and most people are too stubborn to accept when some one else has a better point of view. Of course a professional Starcraft player will most likely have more vital information in regards to any aspect of the game. But someone will always argue otherwise, even if everyone on earth thinks they're wrong. The best thing to do is just try and be as objective about your knowledge as possible, and accept that other people may have enlightening information, though for most people on the upper echelon that may rarely be the case. | ||
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juw
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Biochemist
United States1008 Posts
On August 25 2010 11:05 Decko wrote: I completely agree that by professional standards that most Diamond players are not that great. I'm a mid level diamond player and I find my self to be slightly above average, but no where close to professional. I was watching replays from the IEM very recently, the amount of control and forethought into the strategies these players are executing is borderline mind boggling. I almost got sick when I was using the player camera perspective tool during Idra's and Tarson's match ups. I will never reach that level, nor do I strive to, I play Starcraft because it's fun and that is it. The problem with any form of discussion is our American culture that makes us total and complete narcissists. Everyone is right, the person arguing against you is always wrong, and most people are too stubborn to accept when some one else has a better point of view. Of course a professional Starcraft player will most likely have more vital information in regards to any aspect of the game. But someone will always argue otherwise, even if everyone on earth thinks they're wrong. The best thing to do is just try and be as objective about your knowledge as possible, and accept that other people may have enlightening information, though for most people on the upper echelon that may rarely be the case. That's not American culture, that's teenager culture. | ||
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Wonders
Australia753 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:41 Naib wrote: I think you guys and iEchoic are missing each others points. Obviously he's wrong, but he doesn't know why so I'll try to help here a bit: Is it true that SC1 is built on very simple foundations (the gathering of 2 resources, 3 unique races with a theme to them each, "pixelated" yet clean graphics, a few simple spells added in the mix, etc.)? Yes. Does this make it a "simple" compared to other RTS games which have a lot of arbitrary mechanics? (For example: A unit decisively counters B, which counters C, which counters the mega powerful unit D, but that's used to counter other things)? Yes. Does all this make SC1 a simple game? Hell no. I suspect that iEchoic was trolling, but this is just arguing semantics. Conceptually, go is a very "simple" game with just one type of stone for each player, but its strategic complexity surpasses that of chess. Also, I think that what Saracen said about there being no substitute or experience should be added to the OP, or perhaps be in a new thread. The point made is too important for people to have to wade through 10 pages to get to it. I really, really like qxc's idea of an invite only forum. The current forum 'climate' seems to discourage good players from posting, or even reading. | ||
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shrinkmaster
Germany947 Posts
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RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
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c.ngeK
Australia53 Posts
On August 25 2010 11:06 juw wrote: 90% of the posters that write "I am mid diamond" at the start of their post are not really mid diamond. True enough and reason for there to be an invite only section of TL. That way theorycrafting comes from those who know the game, not just anybody who can say diamond. | ||
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humanimal
United States151 Posts
publicity = good mass blindly posted strategy pages = bad Invite-only forums would actually be a good idea, as long as it's limited to like a section or something as opposed to all over the place. I'm sure you could come up with something like "Theory crafting among the gosu" or something nerdy like that  Leave it open for reading (that's how I gained my sc1 knowledge, little as it might be). Anyone who gets butthurt over not being invited should go make a name for themselves or figure out that they're just not that great. Seems like we have a lot of pride mentality, but that's just the internet it seems. Missing the older quality posts: mahnini verbalizes the state of sc2 strategy discussion quite well in his post. + Show Spoiler + On August 23 2010 04:19 mahnini wrote: dearest teamliquidians, when did you become such a bunch of whiny idiots? remember gundam rushes? bunker rush? 1rax FE? 2 hatch muta? 3 hatch muta? sair/reaver? forge FE? bisu build? remember when those came out and we had nice discussion about why/how they worked and community members wrote article quality analyses about them? we had people from other races endure weeks of ladder without clearly defined counters to such builds yet not once was there a complaint about imbalance. can we go back to that time? a time when it was considered a challenge to overcome a new build and the unveiling of the counter sent shockwaves thorough the community? let's quit being bitches and start being teamliquid shall we? hope i didn't break a rule by bypassing the "not enough rights" thing with edited code | ||
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Kakisho
United States240 Posts
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Jenslyn87
Denmark527 Posts
But seriously everyone who says diamond league is just a joke, well it might be if you're pro or just dedicated and play a lot, but to the average joe who plays for fun and just really likes the game, it's still good to be in diamond league... | ||
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xiaofan
United States513 Posts
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Kpyolysis32
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JHancho
United States166 Posts
I sadly haven't laddered in a while and feel like I'm even slipping out of the low diamond =\ Regardless, this is the way the elitism issue should have been addressed right from the get-go. Everyone has something to add, and though rank should be considered to gauge comprehension, it is by no means the prerequisite in my book. | ||
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muta_micro
United States183 Posts
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