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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 27 2011 08:54 GMT
#16981
I very much doubt he meant top 50 Masters.

I haven't listened to the show yet, but I would assume it's top 50 in your region (which is essentially top 50 Grandmasters, right? I haven't kept track of how the GM works =p). That sounds like the most reasonable aim to me personally at least.
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
April 27 2011 08:59 GMT
#16982
On April 27 2011 17:51 scatmango2 wrote:
That was really hard to watch with Geoff on the brink of crying =/.


Haven't got the chance to listen to it yet but why Geoff would be on the brink of crying? :O
Tokay
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden115 Posts
April 27 2011 09:11 GMT
#16983
On April 27 2011 17:59 Piski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 17:51 scatmango2 wrote:
That was really hard to watch with Geoff on the brink of crying =/.


Haven't got the chance to listen to it yet but why Geoff would be on the brink of crying? :O


I got that feeling aswell. When he "snapped" a bit to JP when they started to talk about NASL. The stress is getting to him.
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
April 27 2011 09:17 GMT
#16984
Is the MP3 up yet?
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
April 27 2011 09:24 GMT
#16985
On April 27 2011 18:17 Demonaz wrote:
Is the MP3 up yet?


http://blip.tv/file/get/ItmeJP-Starcraft2StateOfTheGameEP36216.mp3


I hope it gets better for Geoff in the future then. At least I'm hoping it's not because all the haters on forums.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10950 Posts
April 27 2011 09:41 GMT
#16986
On April 27 2011 17:52 sickoota wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 17:22 Defacer wrote:
On April 27 2011 17:15 sickoota wrote:
Gretorp's explanation for why he thought TvP is difficult for T sounded very strange to me. He can't win unless he hardcounters his opponent's unit composition? And that somehow makes T underpowered? It sounds like something idra would say at his worst - just blindly assuming your race takes more skill. I'm sure any toss player would say the exact same about toss. Look at something like Tyler vs Thorzain on xel naga - Tyler made the wrong units and the battle looked like a joke. Thats where starcraft 2 is at right now for any race, I don't see why only Terran has the burden of countering their opponent or how that makes them the worst race.


I think what Gretorp was trying to express was that Terrans have to compose their armies exceptionally well to hard counter their opponent; TvP in particular.

Now, I think the Zerg have to do this against Toss as well, but the Zerg can, theoretically, switch tech much more easily. The unit and building cost for Terran is a much bigger investment than Zerg, and less forgiving.

However, I don't necessarily agree that this argument makes Terrans 'the weakest'.


I don't see why this is true for Terran and Zerg but not for Protoss... if a Protoss goes into a battle with the wrong units they will die. This is not a uniquely terran or zerg problem.



Then your blind.

Even if it's not or would not be a problem, it's clear.

(Hint: Colossi <---> Corruptor/Viking)
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
April 27 2011 10:01 GMT
#16987
damnit!

Just downloaded sotg and put it on my mp3 player before running for the bus... Only to realize i downloaded last weeks cast... Meh
Kevmeister @ Dota2
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
April 27 2011 10:06 GMT
#16988
im worried that the gateway buff / warpgate nerf will bring even faster rushes against zerg. imagine seeing 6-8 stalkers leaving the protoss base at the 5 minute mark or something of the sort... is anyone else conscerned about this? or do people think it will give zerg more aggressive options? because id imagine people could do a 4 gate of sorts without the warpgate...
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
April 27 2011 10:10 GMT
#16989
On April 27 2011 19:06 WniO wrote:
im worried that the gateway buff / warpgate nerf will bring even faster rushes against zerg. imagine seeing 6-8 stalkers leaving the protoss base at the 5 minute mark or something of the sort... is anyone else conscerned about this? or do people think it will give zerg more aggressive options? because id imagine people could do a 4 gate of sorts without the warpgate...


Fastest 4gate was hitting around 5.30 mark so not really. 6 stalkers is easy to kill and now he won't have the reinforcments to back them up.

Strenght in 4gate was the ability to warpin units instantly to the battlefield. Doing 4 gateway rushes is not the same. It still takes longer to produce units than the warpgates and now he will have to walk them to the battlefield.
vojnik
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia923 Posts
April 27 2011 10:10 GMT
#16990
On April 27 2011 19:06 WniO wrote:
im worried that the gateway buff / warpgate nerf will bring even faster rushes against zerg. imagine seeing 6-8 stalkers leaving the protoss base at the 5 minute mark or something of the sort... is anyone else conscerned about this? or do people think it will give zerg more aggressive options? because id imagine people could do a 4 gate of sorts without the warpgate...


close position it will be nightmare especially
For the swarm!
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
April 27 2011 10:21 GMT
#16991
Shouldnt the VOD be up by now?
- Or am i just WAY too impatient to watch the show?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Chillax
Profile Joined March 2011
England585 Posts
April 27 2011 10:21 GMT
#16992
The vod is up? im watching it right now
Nesquik
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 10:24:08
April 27 2011 10:23 GMT
#16993
On April 27 2011 19:21 Chillax wrote:
The vod is up? im watching it right now


Can you throw up a link, I went on home page and isn't there. Thanks

edit;- found it, went on his twitter and he has the link up!
Oh IMMvp won agian but EGHuK getting Ro8 is a way bigger deal - Gootecks
Alphonsse
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 10:35:20
April 27 2011 10:24 GMT
#16994
On April 27 2011 16:45 GhostFall wrote:
First time I ever saw a pro player mentioning how talent is a big part of becoming a pro player or not.

Liquid'Tyler's metrics: Play 6 hours a day, while doing your own thing (full-time job, etc). after 6 months if you're not like top 50, you should really really consider not making the jump to pro.

I wonder if he meant top 50 in a master division or top 50 grandmasters?

Seems pretty hard if its top 50 grandmasters, even artosis isn't even in grandmasters.

Seems to fly against a lot of what Korean pros say, where they say that sheer hard work is all is needed to become a pro gamer.

I think you misinterpreted what Tyler was saying. I think he was giving 6 months as a minimum, not "you have to be top 50 by 6 months". What I got from it was that if you're looking to go pro, expect it to take at least 6 months of you dedicating all of your free time into sc2, and whenever you happen to be within top 50 of your region, then going from full time job/study to full time sc2 becomes not a bad decision anymore.

Oh and he certainly meant rank 50 GM or up, at that point you're playing well known/pro players, top 50 masters division means absolutely nothing.
Sigmur
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland497 Posts
April 27 2011 10:28 GMT
#16995
[image loading]
Hilarious, especially with Gretorp as Icontrol hahaha
RationalGaze
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom121 Posts
April 27 2011 10:58 GMT
#16996
Hands up who else rewound the vid to see day9's pen freakout :D
но ни шагу назад
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
April 27 2011 11:02 GMT
#16997
On April 27 2011 17:45 dementrio wrote:
About what Day9 was saying on banging head against the wall:

what can we, as laymen strategists, do when we hit that point?

I'll take zvp as an example simply because that's what I am personally having trouble with. I have got to a point where my mechanics are not the problem, and improving them won't stop me from losing more than I am winning. I have tried copying various builds, styles, and I have tried coming up with my own; none have worked, which is to be expected because if I could beat zvp I'd probably be rich by now.

The ladder is also an environment that makes all this more frustrating, because if there is one huge hole in my game that I want to fix, I want to concentrate on that, but I have to deal with other matchups in between and even when I get queued up against a protoss I often lose to something that I would normally not have any trouble with, because I am focussing on one aspect of the matchup and losing track of other things. I get the overall impression that I am getting worse instead of making progress.

In short, starcraft is not fun for me anymore am I the only one feeling this way? What can I do to fix it?

Not too long ago I couldn't win a PvZ. I just felt under constant pressure due to the lack of map control and I felt terrible in every game against a zerg. And this was just after nestea won gsl 2 so the ladder was like 95% zerg with an occasional random player thrown in. So I just stopped playing 1v1.

But I started playing alot of team games with my friends and I only played as zerg (the most op race ever in my mind at that point). I played enough zerg until eventually it became my strongest race in 1v1 as well as team games and ofc my best matchup by far was (and still is) zvp.

I still play protoss around 65-70% of my 1v1 (the rest being zerg mostly). But my pvz improved so much from playing zerg that I currently feel in complete control of every pvz just as I do zvp and really the only difference is perspective and knowledge of the other race.

Just playing as the race you think you can't beat will improve your understanding of both sides of the matchup so much that any percieved imbalance or weakness just goes away when you can see things from both sides.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
April 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#16998
http://itmejp.blip.tv/file/5073898/
the vod^^
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
UberSquirrel
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands22 Posts
April 27 2011 11:09 GMT
#16999
Is it correct that the iTunes Podcast is not yet up?
"You can only tie the record for low flight!" -- Banshee
Kojaimea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom277 Posts
April 27 2011 11:12 GMT
#17000
I cannot download it, so i think you're right.
The riverbed, dried-up, half full of leaves. Us, listening to a river in the trees.
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