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Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
April 27 2011 06:25 GMT
#16941
Am i the only one who interpreted MVP's analysis differently? It seemed to me like he felt on large maps it was really hard for Terran to play a robust/safe style, since it is so hard to do damage with harass/drops/pressure that it becomes risky to even try to do stuff like this, and if you don't do any sort of early game damage then you are just behind in mid/late game... its mostly a map issue and not racial imbalance which depends more on a metagame thing... like 12 nexus on Andromeda in TvP in brood war, where Terran couldn't punish it unless they were close spawn and scouted first, since if they scouted it second and it was cross map they couldn't bunker rush with scvs either.
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
April 27 2011 06:27 GMT
#16942
Gretorp so awesome. <3<3<3<3<3

He was saying how he FEELS when he plays the matchup....
It was his thoughts and his opinions.

I think he was a fantastic addition to SOTG and I can't wait for him to start streaming again
RIP MBC Game Hero
MountainGoat
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States508 Posts
April 27 2011 06:28 GMT
#16943
Does anyone know how long it usually takes for the video to be posted after it's done airing?
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
April 27 2011 06:28 GMT
#16944
On April 27 2011 15:18 Everhate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 15:12 Gretorp wrote:
On April 27 2011 14:30 SovSov wrote:
I can't handle Gretorp talking.

He is just complaining about the difficulties of the race. It's like saying "Man.. those Zealots in ZvP.. you gotta like.. build units to beat them.. when I would rather Drone.. man it sucks.."

Gretorp's experience is NA ladder and MLG yet he is giving an emotional analysis as though he is MVP, winning GSLs and playing among the best players in the world every day, one of his reasoning for Terran being underpowered is "I see Zergs go 12 infestor". What?

MVP's explanation was LEGIT. It was about the map sizes and how Terran lacks the mobility and reinforcement possibilities that Z/P have.

Incontrol and Tyler are SMART when they speak, they speak from a pure analytical standpoint. Their explanations of PvP currently and in the future were amazing. Sure, Incontrol and Tyler aren't playing in GSL every day, but they understand the game on the deepest of levels. Gretrop is speaking from emotions and makes no real sense.

I'm cringing as I listen to this.


I stated something not material, rather something more theoretical, and you were unhappy with the response, maybe because you didn't want to understand what I was saying. Everything I said was completely analytical, and had nothing to do with emotion. I was a consultant before coming into this industry, and I know how to judge things objectively. I see this 'problem' in the scene, not in my games. Why would you think I'm assuming this over the sample set of MY games. That's kind of a silly assumption don't you think?


I actually appreciated your analysis, though I do feel there's a lot of...unexplored territory, I guess, when it comes to terran comps. Not to say it hasn't been tried, but some comps that don't seem to work on paper can end up being quite synergistic. Like, SK terran style doesn't seem like it could deal with a typical ultra/ling/defiler, but it manages to work.

At some point in the future, I think ravens will end up being a core unit in TvX (maybe only one of the matchups, but potentially all 3), whereas now they're mostly for detection with occasional 'cute' type of tactics.

I dunno, my personal thoughts on it is that Terran seems a bit underdeveloped because MMM or marine/tank were both SO robust for so long, that some of the other possibilities are relatively unexplored. Same kind of issue you often can see with protoss death ball approach.

I really miss SK Terran. It's the most ridiculous strategy on paper. In fact, a lot of BW strategies are actually fairly ridiculous. I'm still waiting for when that happens with SC2. More specifically, I'm hoping that someday I can watch an SK Terran version in SC2 with ravens.

There also needs to be a possible sparks Terran attack with marauders to soak the damage instead of firebats. I guess the issue with that is that medivacs are harder to get than medics.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
April 27 2011 06:34 GMT
#16945
On April 27 2011 14:30 SovSov wrote:
I can't handle Gretorp talking.

He is just complaining about the difficulties of the race. It's like saying "Man.. those Zealots in ZvP.. you gotta like.. build units to beat them.. when I would rather Drone.. man it sucks.."

Gretorp's experience is NA ladder and MLG yet he is giving an emotional analysis as though he is MVP, winning GSLs and playing among the best players in the world every day, one of his reasoning for Terran being underpowered is "I see Zergs go 12 infestor". What?

MVP's explanation was LEGIT. It was about the map sizes and how Terran lacks the mobility and reinforcement possibilities that Z/P have.

Incontrol and Tyler are SMART when they speak, they speak from a pure analytical standpoint. Their explanations of PvP currently and in the future were amazing. Sure, Incontrol and Tyler aren't playing in GSL every day, but they understand the game on the deepest of levels. Gretrop is speaking from emotions and makes no real sense.

I'm cringing as I listen to this.


You obviously hate the guy, judging from your past posts... which is rather peculiar. I think he did a good job with the question tackling the terran mobility in larger maps in the context of tempo control.
Monasou
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States218 Posts
April 27 2011 06:35 GMT
#16946
God. I love SOTG.
353 Monasou ♥
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
April 27 2011 06:37 GMT
#16947
On April 27 2011 15:28 BearChocolate wrote:
Does anyone know how long it usually takes for the video to be posted after it's done airing?


hopefully soon, my F5 key is gonna break soon
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
xrayEU
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden571 Posts
April 27 2011 06:38 GMT
#16948
Finally its Wednesday morning! that means the long wait for the VOD or mp3 <3
Post links asap!
Absolutionn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States512 Posts
April 27 2011 06:41 GMT
#16949
On April 27 2011 15:34 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 14:30 SovSov wrote:
I can't handle Gretorp talking.

He is just complaining about the difficulties of the race. It's like saying "Man.. those Zealots in ZvP.. you gotta like.. build units to beat them.. when I would rather Drone.. man it sucks.."

Gretorp's experience is NA ladder and MLG yet he is giving an emotional analysis as though he is MVP, winning GSLs and playing among the best players in the world every day, one of his reasoning for Terran being underpowered is "I see Zergs go 12 infestor". What?

MVP's explanation was LEGIT. It was about the map sizes and how Terran lacks the mobility and reinforcement possibilities that Z/P have.

Incontrol and Tyler are SMART when they speak, they speak from a pure analytical standpoint. Their explanations of PvP currently and in the future were amazing. Sure, Incontrol and Tyler aren't playing in GSL every day, but they understand the game on the deepest of levels. Gretrop is speaking from emotions and makes no real sense.

I'm cringing as I listen to this.


You obviously hate the guy, judging from your past posts... which is rather peculiar. I think he did a good job with the question tackling the terran mobility in larger maps in the context of tempo control.

I hope no one takes this seriously because I really think this post is so damn biased he didnt even listen to gretorp.
Jinro | Idra | Qxc | Select
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
April 27 2011 06:42 GMT
#16950
On April 27 2011 15:38 poofie wrote:
Finally its Wednesday morning! that means the long wait for the VOD or mp3 <3
Post links asap!

I second this, been killing my F5 for 10 minutes now
Do you really want chat rooms?
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
April 27 2011 06:45 GMT
#16951
How long was that SOTG?! I logged on to TL before college hoping to download it before college like I normally do and it was still going!? Thats a first... Guess I'll be listening to it tomorrow on my walk to college then haha.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
April 27 2011 06:45 GMT
#16952
On April 27 2011 15:42 FarbrorAbavna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 15:38 poofie wrote:
Finally its Wednesday morning! that means the long wait for the VOD or mp3 <3
Post links asap!

I second this, been killing my F5 for 10 minutes now


Unless you happened to be awake anyway

Great show by the way. Loved Gretorps insight.. if he happens to be able to join in from time to time I think he would be able to get more accustomed with the general flow and feel just like Idra did.

MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 06:46:52
April 27 2011 06:46 GMT
#16953
I hope Anna wasn't reading the chat. That was embarrassing.

I mean... it can't just be an age thing. I'm 28 years old. I'm probably older than the majority (?) of people on Team Liquid, but not by much (and not even close to the oldest TL user). But is a little self-control expecting to much from random strangers on the internet when a girl pops on a web cam?

(I may have answered my own question.)
xrayEU
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden571 Posts
April 27 2011 06:52 GMT
#16954
Episode 36

http://itmejp.blip.tv/file/5073898/
Tablespoon
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway223 Posts
April 27 2011 06:53 GMT
#16955
On April 27 2011 15:52 poofie wrote:
Episode 36

http://itmejp.blip.tv/file/5073898/

Holy shit almost 3 hours...
Thanks anyway!
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
April 27 2011 06:56 GMT
#16956
On April 27 2011 15:52 poofie wrote:
Episode 36

http://itmejp.blip.tv/file/5073898/

Thanks! Was there a preshow for this week?
Jimmy Raynor
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
902 Posts
April 27 2011 07:04 GMT
#16957
will there be mp3 version?
Hasse
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden579 Posts
April 27 2011 07:05 GMT
#16958
Anyone know when the music only cast usually surfaces?
You can get alot more with a kind word and a gun, than just a kind word - Al Capone
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
April 27 2011 07:06 GMT
#16959
On April 27 2011 16:05 Hasse wrote:
Anyone know when the music only cast usually surfaces?


JP's Twitter:

itmeJP JP McDaniel
State of the Game EP36 VOD is live http://itmejp.blip.tv/file/5073898/ -- mp3 is converting and will be up in about 1h30m
13 minutes ago
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 27 2011 07:07 GMT
#16960
Yea, SOTG breakfast \o/
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