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imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
April 27 2011 05:34 GMT
#16901
I love seeing inc! Thanks for getting a camera
Fan of: IdrA, Sen, Stephano, Snute, Axlav, Hero
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
April 27 2011 05:34 GMT
#16902
Tyler hits the point exactly lol.

That whole "MVP thinks Terran is the weakest race" thing was sensationalism from Artosis. Very typical journalism.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
April 27 2011 05:36 GMT
#16903
Again everyone is absolutely adverse to discuss balance in any form even when it's from pros....
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
April 27 2011 05:36 GMT
#16904
Poor JP and his beautiful setup. Day9 always has to ruin it with his leaving early.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
Guthix
Profile Joined April 2011
United States209 Posts
April 27 2011 05:40 GMT
#16905
Mvp was absolutely right with the reinforcements and mobility. Zerg and protoss can make TONS of units at once, while terran have to stream them out, one by one, to the battle. It's so annoying when you barely beat a protoss army and you can't do any damage after that, as they warp in 20 zealots/stalkers right after the battle. They can also put their reinforcements basically anywhere, so if you try to reinforce your army they can actually cut off your reinforcements with theirs.
Naniwa fighting!
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 05:45:31
April 27 2011 05:44 GMT
#16906
On April 27 2011 14:40 Lumbridge wrote:
Mvp was absolutely right with the reinforcements and mobility. Zerg and protoss can make TONS of units at once, while terran have to stream them out, one by one, to the battle. It's so annoying when you barely beat a protoss army and you can't do any damage after that, as they warp in 20 zealots/stalkers right after the battle. They can also put their reinforcements basically anywhere, so if you try to reinforce your army they can actually cut off your reinforcements with theirs.


That's just the design of terran, it is the same in BW.

If you want to see how overpowered terrans would be with faster reinforcements, play the campaign with marine orbital drops.

At the same time, protoss need warpgates to attack unless they build a deathball.
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Altern
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1053 Posts
April 27 2011 05:47 GMT
#16907
HAHA Incontrol+Gretorp funny
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 05:49:51
April 27 2011 05:48 GMT
#16908
On April 27 2011 14:40 Lumbridge wrote:
Mvp was absolutely right with the reinforcements and mobility. Zerg and protoss can make TONS of units at once, while terran have to stream them out, one by one, to the battle. It's so annoying when you barely beat a protoss army and you can't do any damage after that, as they warp in 20 zealots/stalkers right after the battle. They can also put their reinforcements basically anywhere, so if you try to reinforce your army they can actually cut off your reinforcements with theirs.

Maybe that is why Blizzard gave terran the best static defense and base security, as well as strong buildings? Granted if the game has advanced to the point where your protoss opponents can warp in 20 units at once you'd probably lost the game already.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
April 27 2011 05:48 GMT
#16909
I really hope I don't come across as a flamer or complainer or anything like that... but I didn't feel it was the best episode. Everyone felt quite tired, and most of the episode seemed to be one person ranting at a time while everyone else did something else on their computer rather than going back and forth. Also (I like the guy but...) Gretorp didn't help the mood either. He also seemed quiet and tired, and went on rants for the few times he spoke. The past 3 episodes which I remember relatively well were all MUCH better in my opinion.

Again... I really hope I don't come across as a dick or anything like that... I've seen quite a few people get very easily offended on TL when I post constructive criticism so I'm trying to be careful. I still enjoyed the show and watched the whole thing, but I just feel like previous episodes have been much better when there was more discussion between all of you.
Guthix
Profile Joined April 2011
United States209 Posts
April 27 2011 05:52 GMT
#16910
On April 27 2011 14:48 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2011 14:40 Lumbridge wrote:
Mvp was absolutely right with the reinforcements and mobility. Zerg and protoss can make TONS of units at once, while terran have to stream them out, one by one, to the battle. It's so annoying when you barely beat a protoss army and you can't do any damage after that, as they warp in 20 zealots/stalkers right after the battle. They can also put their reinforcements basically anywhere, so if you try to reinforce your army they can actually cut off your reinforcements with theirs.

Maybe that is why Blizzard gave terran the best static defense and base security, as well as strong buildings? Granted if the game has advanced to the point where your protoss opponents can warp in 20 units at once you'd probably lost the game beforehand.

What do you mean lost the game beforehand? If both players are at 200/200 and they have a huge fight, protoss just warps in a huge round of zealots/stalkers CLOSE to the battle so you can't even really retreat to try to build up again.
Naniwa fighting!
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
April 27 2011 05:56 GMT
#16911
On April 27 2011 14:40 Lumbridge wrote:
Mvp was absolutely right with the reinforcements and mobility. Zerg and protoss can make TONS of units at once, while terran have to stream them out, one by one, to the battle. It's so annoying when you barely beat a protoss army and you can't do any damage after that, as they warp in 20 zealots/stalkers right after the battle. They can also put their reinforcements basically anywhere, so if you try to reinforce your army they can actually cut off your reinforcements with theirs.

I think the whole "Terran is the weakest" really was targeted at the big maps. On these maps the mobility of terran bio doesnt beat the mobility of Zerg anymore (you wont stim to run across) and immobile mech really has problems due to the size and the not-so-awesome-damage.

Another weakness of Terrans is that they are dead once their production facilities are killed in a late game. Zerg have their production facilities spread out all over and just need one tech building for each unit type and Protoss can just rebuild an entire base with just one Probe.

All in all its just a feeling that is valid ... just like Zerg can "complain" about the macro they need and the "drone vs units" decision making.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 05:57:34
April 27 2011 05:57 GMT
#16912
SOOOOOOO HOT


I mean Anna, ofc
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
April 27 2011 05:57 GMT
#16913
This is how the Anna segment should be done *stamps approval*
A good question too.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 05:58:24
April 27 2011 05:58 GMT
#16914
Looks like Gretorp and iNcontroL changed bodies.

Edit: JP fixed it.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-27 06:00:58
April 27 2011 06:00 GMT
#16915
BTW, Good job with the names JP. Now I finally know how to spell Wasieleski :D
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
April 27 2011 06:04 GMT
#16916
gretorp is so fucking AMAZING!!!! HAHAHAHAH omggg i love him
d=(^_^)z
Engore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1916 Posts
April 27 2011 06:04 GMT
#16917
Gretorp is a "boss"
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garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
April 27 2011 06:05 GMT
#16918
"I grinded really hard, and then I came on State of the Game."

Hahah! How can he not be doing this on purpose?!
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
April 27 2011 06:05 GMT
#16919
ROFL Gretorp
"I got home and just started grinding, then I came on State of the Game"
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
April 27 2011 06:05 GMT
#16920
On April 27 2011 15:05 garbanzo wrote:
"I grinded really hard, and then I came on State of the Game."

Hahah! How can he not be doing this on purpose?!


Pretty sure he did it on purpose
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