Oh my god after all this time I've only just noticed that the sign below the State of the Game title that the camera quickly scrolls over in the intro is written in French. This is obviously a sign of JP's latent desire to move to France and become a French citizen. We will welcome you with open arms my friend.

*tears*

*salute*

*cockledeedoo*

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...sorry

Anyway great episode as always, keep up the great work!

dvorakftw

681 Posts

June 13 2013 20:55 GMT

#54062

People seem to have a hard time understanding arguments about proper balance are more than achieving 50/50 results.

INnoVation and Soulkey are 50/50 for their last 8 games but the skill INnoVation demonstrated to win his games was much much higher than what Soulkey demonstrated winning his games. Note that is an illustrative example and in no way is meant to imply Soulkey's skill is significantly lower than INnoVation's.

NguN

Australia1322 Posts

June 16 2013 13:18 GMT

#54063

On June 14 2013 03:01 scypio wrote:

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OK - so you point to aligulac stats that takes in everything like Go4SC2's, ZOTACs and other tournaments filled with lower-level player. And I'm talking about the top and I can't see terrans overperforming THERE.

As I stated before I would certainly support a smart nerf that limits the hellbat drop play in TvT.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/leagues/3724_2012-2013_SPL

Win rates for HotS Proleague.

TvZ: 36-23 (61%)
PvT: 33-38 (46.5%)

Proleague has a massive amount of games played in a week. I'm sure everybody will agree that the Kespa players are the best players as a whole.

Seems like Terran is doing fine to me.

Micro_Jackson

Germany2002 Posts

June 16 2013 13:32 GMT

#54064

59 Games is not that big of a sample size. And some of the maps are relatively bad for zerg.

sibs

635 Posts

June 16 2013 13:37 GMT

#54065

I agree it's a small sample size, you can take all the stats from aligulac if you want a big sample size, and those point to terran being slightly better than Z/P both at the very top and in general.

scypio

Poland2127 Posts

June 16 2013 16:36 GMT

#54066

On June 16 2013 22:37 sibs wrote:
I agree it's a small sample size, you can take all the stats from aligulac if you want a big sample size, and those point to terran being slightly better than Z/P both at the very top and in general.

This is a very top that is both tied to a single tournament, has a locked-in player pool and also has it's own flavors... I thought that tosses were all the rage in the ProLeague now, somehow these stats do not show this.

Also, in my eyes the team leagues are less relevant than single-player tournaments.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

June 19 2013 18:23 GMT

#54067

Your demanding fans want a new episode JP!

nihlon

Sweden5581 Posts

June 19 2013 18:30 GMT

#54068

On June 14 2013 05:55 dvorakftw wrote:
People seem to have a hard time understanding arguments about proper balance are more than achieving 50/50 results.

INnoVation and Soulkey are 50/50 for their last 8 games but the skill INnoVation demonstrated to win his games was much much higher than what Soulkey demonstrated winning his games. Note that is an illustrative example and in no way is meant to imply Soulkey's skill is significantly lower than INnoVation's.

Probably come from the fact that it's incredible hard to rate different players skill level, making it extremely hard to take into account in statistic arguments about balance. Also the skill level is less important when looking at large groups of the different races unless you can prove that one of them have a significant different skill level for some reason.