EPTThe modern day, cutthroat 4 Gate wasn't there until it was popularized in PvP much later I believe, but people definitely "4 Gated" for the longest time early on in all matchups.
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
The modern day, cutthroat 4 Gate wasn't there until it was popularized in PvP much later I believe, but people definitely "4 Gated" for the longest time early on in all matchups. | ||
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baldgye
United Kingdom1108 Posts
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
On October 27 2012 00:33 xtfftc wrote: NA viewers have to get up early in the morning for EU events, which is an inconvenience. However, EU viewers have to stay up until 2-3-4 AM, and we usually have to get up at 7-8 AM for work/school. That's not a mere inconvenience; for a lot of us this means we simply can't allow ourselves to watch the climax of the tournament. People have already said, and I can back them up, that most European events start between 1-3am for me. So the fact that the crux of the tournament actually takes place during my work/school day is an inconvenience, but you having to stay up until 4am to watch the MLG final then go to school is somehow different? As the poster you quoted said, read any MLG thread. LR, announcement, anything. I guarantee you that if you count out the entitlement/time zones posts they'll out number any NA entitlement/time zone posts in a Dreamhack thread. And it's because, for some reason, NA posters seem to understand that a local European event is going to be cast at times that are shitty for North Americans to watch. The fact that Europeans can't seem to understand that, and consistently shit on NA tournaments (especially when I'm sure there are other issues to shit on them about) for the simple truth that time zones don't play well for local tournaments, is simply impossible to defend. | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
On October 27 2012 02:01 Mauldo wrote: People have already said, and I can back them up, that most European events start between 1-3am for me. So the fact that the crux of the tournament actually takes place during my work/school day is an inconvenience, but you having to stay up until 4am to watch the MLG final then go to school is somehow different? As the poster you quoted said, read any MLG thread. LR, announcement, anything. I guarantee you that if you count out the entitlement/time zones posts they'll out number any NA entitlement/time zone posts in a Dreamhack thread. And it's because, for some reason, NA posters seem to understand that a local European event is going to be cast at times that are shitty for North Americans to watch. The fact that Europeans can't seem to understand that, and consistently shit on NA tournaments (especially when I'm sure there are other issues to shit on them about) for the simple truth that time zones don't play well for local tournaments, is simply impossible to defend. You seem to be equating staying up until 4 in the morning for the finals to start, and 3 oclock in the afternoon, on a Sunday, as being of similar inconvenience. They are not. People are complaining that way around because it makes sense. Less americans complain during dreamhack tournaments because there is nothing to complain about. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
But the general idea is that the worst situation is a tournament conflicting with work or school and the second worst situation is a tournament conflicting with sleep. NA watching EU on a weekday is the worst intercontinental situation while NA watching EU on a weekend is the best intercontinental situation. It's impossible for most NA to watch EU on weekdays. NA watching EU on the weekend conflicts with neither school/work nor sleep. EU watching NA preceding Monday-Friday is the second worst situation and EU watching NA preceding Saturday-Sunday is the second best situation. Sleeping in the early morning is more important on days with school/work. People have very different opinions on what situation is better mainly because of different ideas on how much and when to sleep. The folks with more flexible policies on sleep tend to like EU's situation better and the folks with inflexible policies on sleep will like NA's situation better. The folks who aren't busy during the day on weekdays and/or aren't free during the day on weekends are exceptions. | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
On October 27 2012 01:50 Surili wrote: You actually could have 4 gated into the top of the beta, IFF it had been discovered as a strategy, which it had not, so there are a lot of people here talking crap. The forum you are posting on has discussions of 4gate and statements of its prevalence dating back to beta... | ||
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Demicore
France503 Posts
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On October 27 2012 01:50 Surili wrote: You actually could have 4 gated into the top of the beta, IFF it had been discovered as a strategy, which it had not, so there are a lot of people here talking crap. Edit: That said, i agree with calls for grubby on state of the game if they can get him. More grubby means more win. The only reason not to i suppose is due to the number of protosses that have always been on SotG, Then again, Grubby and ToD together might mean for some cool stories. you could and did 4 gate in the beta. 4 gate was one of the first builds to get popular and stayed popular until it was nerfed in to oblivion. Do your research before you post. | ||
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
Not to hate on him but he was just a too dominant figure that took too much of the talking time and attention. I liked the guests quite a lot so far. i always thought tod was a bid arrogant and a whiner but i enjoyed him quite a lot. I hope to see him on here again. QXC always nice to have a reasonable player on there. Wolf gave some nice inside from korea. Apollo, i don't think anyone dislikes him. Keep it up JP!! | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On October 27 2012 01:50 Surili wrote: You actually could have 4 gated into the top of the beta, IFF it had been discovered as a strategy, which it had not, so there are a lot of people here talking crap. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/4_Warpgate_Rush Example game: Tester v Huk in Day9's King of the Beta Tournament People really did 4gate to Masters when the game was released. The level of play was hilariously bad. Watch early GSL games - it was only about mid-2011 when people kind of learned how to play the game; you could teleport Destiny back in time and he'd win the first GSL. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On October 27 2012 02:01 Mauldo wrote: As the poster you quoted said, read any MLG thread. LR, announcement, anything. I guarantee you that if you count out the entitlement/time zones posts they'll out number any NA entitlement/time zone posts in a Dreamhack thread. And it's because, for some reason, NA posters seem to understand that a local European event is going to be cast at times that are shitty for North Americans to watch. The fact that Europeans can't seem to understand that, and consistently shit on NA tournaments (especially when I'm sure there are other issues to shit on them about) for the simple truth that time zones don't play well for local tournaments, is simply impossible to defend. LoL ! You must be new around here because this is simply not the case. Every EU tournaments has its most important games on the last day (because these are LANs) which NA tournaments do not (hence why it's annoying for us) but that's barely the point. I remember the shitstorm Iron Squid got for starting at 9AM (CEST) and it was so far the most polished tournament of the year. | ||
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archonOOid
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On October 27 2012 06:34 archonOOid wrote: I wish apollo would play a couple of games in hots so he can make some comments on the weekly patch notes. I suppose all of the guests/hosts should do that so you can have some real discussions about the hots development. whats the point of going in depth into something that might be diffrent the next week I think there coverage of the changes were fine | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On October 27 2012 06:41 ChuCky.Ca wrote: whats the point of going in depth into something that might be diffrent the next week I think there coverage of the changes were fine wasnt that the original purpose of sotg way back when it first started.... to address the current state of the game. | ||
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On October 27 2012 06:43 dAPhREAk wrote: wasnt that the original purpose of sotg way back when it first started.... to address the current state of the game. I sort of agree on the HotS comments, but I'd still prefer WoL news and content. Beta is beta, this is the actual game. | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On October 27 2012 06:43 dAPhREAk wrote: wasnt that the original purpose of sotg way back when it first started.... to address the current state of the game. but the current state of the game lasts a week... they discuss all the changes just going into super depth seems pretty pointless right now | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On October 27 2012 07:07 ChuCky.Ca wrote: but the current state of the game lasts a week... they discuss all the changes just going into super depth seems pretty pointless right now so are you suggesting they just not talk about it (because it might change in a week), or talk about it after nobody cares about it because its been part of the game for too long? | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On October 27 2012 07:18 dAPhREAk wrote: so are you suggesting they just not talk about it (because it might change in a week), or talk about it after nobody cares about it because its been part of the game for too long? they do talk about all the change and how they might play out but it's pointless to go super in depth since they will change. and talking about it closer to the end of the beta and near release is when everyone will care more | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
NonY, when you getting your silent but sexay ass back on the show?!? | ||
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love you guys but comon. NA events are good time zone for NA people. EU events are good for EU people....
