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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
June 20 2012 14:58 GMT
#46341
On June 20 2012 23:53 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) and then white knights or fanboys either getting their panties in a bunch over defending / attacking people.

I am 10x the player that avilo is.. cherry picking 1 tourney where we both played different people was dumb so I issued a challenge publicly and he dodged. One show match wouldn't prove anything but it'd be nice to take some of his money and give him a reason to shut the fuck up for once.

If I could do that with some of you I would do the same but for now you can sit in this thread after each show and act like vultures.


How did you come out of the Brood War community and act like this? I understand that the SC2 community is a fucking joke and very hostile compared to the good old Brood War one, where you were respected but again, most people were. I wonder if you were the same during your long stay in prestigious ToT. Such a shame.

I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.

lol the bw community was equally good at flaming people and incontrol was much, much more of a troll on teamliquid back then
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
June 20 2012 14:59 GMT
#46342
On June 20 2012 23:57 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:55 zawk9 wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:53 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) and then white knights or fanboys either getting their panties in a bunch over defending / attacking people.

I am 10x the player that avilo is.. cherry picking 1 tourney where we both played different people was dumb so I issued a challenge publicly and he dodged. One show match wouldn't prove anything but it'd be nice to take some of his money and give him a reason to shut the fuck up for once.

If I could do that with some of you I would do the same but for now you can sit in this thread after each show and act like vultures.


How did you come out of the Brood War community and act like this? I understand that the SC2 community is a fucking joke and very hostile compared to the good old Brood War one, where you were respected but again, most people were. I wonder if you were the same during your long stay in prestigious ToT. Such a shame.

I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.


To be honest you'll probably be banned for martyring at the end of your post rather than its contents.


No martyr. I just know it will happen for daring to say something against one of the "pillars of the SC2 community". And I dont mean that in a sarcastic way.

Well then you ought to read the thread your posting in repeatedly, because your cheeky high horse suddenly seems like a regular old nag once one gets a grasp of just how much hate the "pillars of the SC2 community" get.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
one-one-one
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden551 Posts
June 20 2012 14:59 GMT
#46343
On June 20 2012 23:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +

TSL2 was a looooong time ago. His 12th place finish or whatever it was at WCS @Anaheim was basically the best result he has had in SC2 in about 2 years. Just watch his stream - he's basically struggling in mid-masters at this point. His opinion isn't any more valid than Avilo's. Incontrol? He's basically completely fallen off the radar as a pro at this point and I don't think he has even qualified for WCS - why is his opinion viewed as more important than Avilo's? It's because he's a co-host on SOTG and nothing else. If the qualification for being on the show was being "competent" Nony and Incontrol should've been rotated out in favor of people like Insur or RangeD. Obviously, competency isn't a qualification.

Why wouldn't you want Artosis and Day[9], who have accomplished less than me in BW and are worse than me at SC2, kicked off the show?


He doesn't. Neither does he want you off the show.

What he does want on the show is someone who plays terran to make the show better in many peoples opinion.

And btw, did you just call Artosis and Day[9] worse than you. In InControl's spirit you should play a best of 7 vs them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1BFY4R7IIP4#t=1710s
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
June 20 2012 15:00 GMT
#46344
On June 20 2012 23:58 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:53 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) and then white knights or fanboys either getting their panties in a bunch over defending / attacking people.

I am 10x the player that avilo is.. cherry picking 1 tourney where we both played different people was dumb so I issued a challenge publicly and he dodged. One show match wouldn't prove anything but it'd be nice to take some of his money and give him a reason to shut the fuck up for once.

If I could do that with some of you I would do the same but for now you can sit in this thread after each show and act like vultures.


How did you come out of the Brood War community and act like this? I understand that the SC2 community is a fucking joke and very hostile compared to the good old Brood War one, where you were respected but again, most people were. I wonder if you were the same during your long stay in prestigious ToT. Such a shame.

I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.

lol the bw community was equally good at flaming people and incontrol was much, much more of a troll on teamliquid back then


Is he actually trolling now? I must be getting rusty at my troll-detection then. Well, no matter.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
June 20 2012 15:00 GMT
#46345
On June 20 2012 23:57 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:55 zawk9 wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:53 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) and then white knights or fanboys either getting their panties in a bunch over defending / attacking people.

I am 10x the player that avilo is.. cherry picking 1 tourney where we both played different people was dumb so I issued a challenge publicly and he dodged. One show match wouldn't prove anything but it'd be nice to take some of his money and give him a reason to shut the fuck up for once.

If I could do that with some of you I would do the same but for now you can sit in this thread after each show and act like vultures.


How did you come out of the Brood War community and act like this? I understand that the SC2 community is a fucking joke and very hostile compared to the good old Brood War one, where you were respected but again, most people were. I wonder if you were the same during your long stay in prestigious ToT. Such a shame.

I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.


To be honest you'll probably be banned for martyring at the end of your post rather than its contents.


No martyr. I just know it will happen for daring to say something against one of the "pillars of the SC2 community". And I dont mean that in a sarcastic way.

If anything, you were looking at a warning or temp ban. But this line automatically gets permanent bans afaik:
I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 15:07:10
June 20 2012 15:06 GMT
#46346
On June 21 2012 00:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:57 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:55 zawk9 wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:53 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) and then white knights or fanboys either getting their panties in a bunch over defending / attacking people.

I am 10x the player that avilo is.. cherry picking 1 tourney where we both played different people was dumb so I issued a challenge publicly and he dodged. One show match wouldn't prove anything but it'd be nice to take some of his money and give him a reason to shut the fuck up for once.

If I could do that with some of you I would do the same but for now you can sit in this thread after each show and act like vultures.


How did you come out of the Brood War community and act like this? I understand that the SC2 community is a fucking joke and very hostile compared to the good old Brood War one, where you were respected but again, most people were. I wonder if you were the same during your long stay in prestigious ToT. Such a shame.

I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.


To be honest you'll probably be banned for martyring at the end of your post rather than its contents.


No martyr. I just know it will happen for daring to say something against one of the "pillars of the SC2 community". And I dont mean that in a sarcastic way.

If anything, you were looking at a warning or temp ban. But this line automatically gets permanent bans afaik:
Show nested quote +
I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.


Well I dont know the specific details of who gets permbanned for what or not. I really am not that much into e-culture (I just dont agree with a lot of its norms), more following common sense as much as possible. I am just a fan of Brood War who has followed all of you, and you Nony for many, many years. It saddens me to see this. There is simply no need to lash out like that, and the trolls will just keep on coming and going. But I totally understand that you guys may be especially fed up with needlessly hostile people and get naturally pretty pissed off about it.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
June 20 2012 15:06 GMT
#46347
On June 20 2012 23:59 one-one-one wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:

TSL2 was a looooong time ago. His 12th place finish or whatever it was at WCS @Anaheim was basically the best result he has had in SC2 in about 2 years. Just watch his stream - he's basically struggling in mid-masters at this point. His opinion isn't any more valid than Avilo's. Incontrol? He's basically completely fallen off the radar as a pro at this point and I don't think he has even qualified for WCS - why is his opinion viewed as more important than Avilo's? It's because he's a co-host on SOTG and nothing else. If the qualification for being on the show was being "competent" Nony and Incontrol should've been rotated out in favor of people like Insur or RangeD. Obviously, competency isn't a qualification.

Why wouldn't you want Artosis and Day[9], who have accomplished less than me in BW and are worse than me at SC2, kicked off the show?


He doesn't. Neither does he want you off the show.

What he does want on the show is someone who plays terran to make the show better in many peoples opinion.

The qualification is competency and he's said that Avilo is just as incompetent as us, and supplies our results as evidence for that assessment, and then says he doesn't want Avilo on the show. How does that not lead to not wanting us on the show either and anyone with worse results than us?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
June 20 2012 15:08 GMT
#46348
On June 21 2012 00:06 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 00:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:57 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:55 zawk9 wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:53 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) and then white knights or fanboys either getting their panties in a bunch over defending / attacking people.

I am 10x the player that avilo is.. cherry picking 1 tourney where we both played different people was dumb so I issued a challenge publicly and he dodged. One show match wouldn't prove anything but it'd be nice to take some of his money and give him a reason to shut the fuck up for once.

If I could do that with some of you I would do the same but for now you can sit in this thread after each show and act like vultures.


How did you come out of the Brood War community and act like this? I understand that the SC2 community is a fucking joke and very hostile compared to the good old Brood War one, where you were respected but again, most people were. I wonder if you were the same during your long stay in prestigious ToT. Such a shame.

I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.


To be honest you'll probably be banned for martyring at the end of your post rather than its contents.


No martyr. I just know it will happen for daring to say something against one of the "pillars of the SC2 community". And I dont mean that in a sarcastic way.

If anything, you were looking at a warning or temp ban. But this line automatically gets permanent bans afaik:
I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.


Well I dont know the specific details of who gets permbanned for what or not. I really am not that much into e-culture (I just dont agree with a lot of its norms), more following common sense as much as possible. I am just a fan of Brood War who has followed all of you, and you Nony for many, many years. It saddens me to see this. There is simply no need to lash out like that, and the trolls will just keep on coming and going. But I totally understand that you guys may be especially fed up with needlessly hostile people and get naturally pretty pissed off about it.

The only logical policy for a forum is to ban people who say things like that. You don't need anything more than common sense for that.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 15:10:48
June 20 2012 15:09 GMT
#46349
On June 21 2012 00:08 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2012 00:06 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 21 2012 00:00 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:57 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:55 zawk9 wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:53 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) and then white knights or fanboys either getting their panties in a bunch over defending / attacking people.

I am 10x the player that avilo is.. cherry picking 1 tourney where we both played different people was dumb so I issued a challenge publicly and he dodged. One show match wouldn't prove anything but it'd be nice to take some of his money and give him a reason to shut the fuck up for once.

If I could do that with some of you I would do the same but for now you can sit in this thread after each show and act like vultures.


How did you come out of the Brood War community and act like this? I understand that the SC2 community is a fucking joke and very hostile compared to the good old Brood War one, where you were respected but again, most people were. I wonder if you were the same during your long stay in prestigious ToT. Such a shame.

I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.


To be honest you'll probably be banned for martyring at the end of your post rather than its contents.


No martyr. I just know it will happen for daring to say something against one of the "pillars of the SC2 community". And I dont mean that in a sarcastic way.

If anything, you were looking at a warning or temp ban. But this line automatically gets permanent bans afaik:
I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.


Well I dont know the specific details of who gets permbanned for what or not. I really am not that much into e-culture (I just dont agree with a lot of its norms), more following common sense as much as possible. I am just a fan of Brood War who has followed all of you, and you Nony for many, many years. It saddens me to see this. There is simply no need to lash out like that, and the trolls will just keep on coming and going. But I totally understand that you guys may be especially fed up with needlessly hostile people and get naturally pretty pissed off about it.

The only logical policy for a forum is to ban people who say things like that. You don't need anything more than common sense for that.


OK I'll remove that part then, since it adds nothing to what I had to say anyway. You're right.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
June 20 2012 15:10 GMT
#46350
I find it funny that people think they own the show.. this is more about personality and entertainment values then your skill in SC2! Obviously skill is important also.

So boring..
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takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 15:24:34
June 20 2012 15:11 GMT
#46351
I say stop doing the show period. Ya it's good, ya its funny and informative and I definitely get that theres a "vocal minority" of idiots here. But at what point is enough enough? All the guys doing the show get so much flak on forums for the dumbest stuff I have ever seen from people who don't have a grasp on reality. No one should expect someone trying to do something good for the community to take constant abuse over stupid crap like this.

Just stop doing the show. Maybe comeback when the people who actually like the show in the forum start stepping up and making sure that their voices are louder in the forums then this pathetic "vocal minority".

Edit: Forgot to mention as always, I enjoyed the show and all of the guys involved in it.
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
June 20 2012 15:11 GMT
#46352
On June 20 2012 22:38 Quotidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 22:22 Elsid wrote:
On June 20 2012 22:18 Quotidian wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:50 UnholyRai wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:46 Quotidian wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:32 Dosey wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:14 Aquila- wrote:
Get Avilo on the show already, or at least another competent Terran...

This statement makes no sense.
Which do you want? A competent Terran, or Avilo?



well, they have on average 2 really bad (for pro players) protoss on the show, Avilo would fit right it

Are you referencing Nony as really bad? He was basically the best foreigner protoss in broodwar and while he doesn't practice nowadays his game knowledge and talent is unquestioned. Incontrol is a similar story, but to a lesser extent.


TSL2 was a looooong time ago. His 12th place finish or whatever it was at WCS @Anaheim was basically the best result he has had in SC2 in about 2 years. Just watch his stream - he's basically struggling in mid-masters at this point. His opinion isn't any more valid than Avilo's. Incontrol? He's basically completely fallen off the radar as a pro at this point and I don't think he has even qualified for WCS - why is his opinion viewed as more important than Avilo's? It's because he's a co-host on SOTG and nothing else. If the qualification for being on the show was being "competent" Nony and Incontrol should've been rotated out in favor of people like Insure and RangeD. Obviously, competency isn't a qualification.

On June 20 2012 21:54 Domus wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:46 Quotidian wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:32 Dosey wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:14 Aquila- wrote:
Get Avilo on the show already, or at least another competent Terran...

This statement makes no sense.
Which do you want? A competent Terran, or Avilo?


well, they have on average 2 really bad (for pro players) protoss on the show, Avilo would fit right it


If you hate the people on the show so much, just don't watch it instead of insulting the hosts?


I don't hate anybody. I just think they're are unreasonably full of themselves. It'd be cute if they were actually dominating the scene in terms of performance.. but, well.. they're really not anywhere close to doing that


He did qualify for WCS and that was while he was moving house so he had no practice. Also he's not really struggling with mid-masters.


I know Nony qualified and so did Avilo... but did Incontrol? And last time I watched Nony's stream, he was losing to mid master ranked no-name players, and he finished the season 28th in his league. That's mid-masters. Of course it really doesn't matter, but barring Avilo - who finished #1 in his league - from the show because he's not "competent" is obviously stupid. There are several reasons not to have Avilo on the show, but his skill is not one of them

You tell people to watch my stream to see my skill level and league placement but anyone who watches my stream knows which account I played most of last season on, an account which was #1 in its division. Your bullshit is becoming more apparent.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
June 20 2012 15:14 GMT
#46353
No. Don't stop doing the show. You guys made it onto Quizbowl Nationals.
darkness overpowering
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-20 15:17:11
June 20 2012 15:15 GMT
#46354
On June 20 2012 23:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +

TSL2 was a looooong time ago. His 12th place finish or whatever it was at WCS @Anaheim was basically the best result he has had in SC2 in about 2 years. Just watch his stream - he's basically struggling in mid-masters at this point. His opinion isn't any more valid than Avilo's. Incontrol? He's basically completely fallen off the radar as a pro at this point and I don't think he has even qualified for WCS - why is his opinion viewed as more important than Avilo's? It's because he's a co-host on SOTG and nothing else. If the qualification for being on the show was being "competent" Nony and Incontrol should've been rotated out in favor of people like Insur or RangeD. Obviously, competency isn't a qualification.

Why wouldn't you want Artosis and Day[9], who have accomplished less than me in BW and are worse than me at SC2, kicked off the show?



again, it's not about wanting anybody off the show, it's about acknowledging the fact that if skill is supposed to be a criteria to be on the show, then Avilo is good enough to be a guest. But obviously, Avilo's skill is not the issue here...

On June 21 2012 00:06 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:59 one-one-one wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:53 Liquid`NonY wrote:

TSL2 was a looooong time ago. His 12th place finish or whatever it was at WCS @Anaheim was basically the best result he has had in SC2 in about 2 years. Just watch his stream - he's basically struggling in mid-masters at this point. His opinion isn't any more valid than Avilo's. Incontrol? He's basically completely fallen off the radar as a pro at this point and I don't think he has even qualified for WCS - why is his opinion viewed as more important than Avilo's? It's because he's a co-host on SOTG and nothing else. If the qualification for being on the show was being "competent" Nony and Incontrol should've been rotated out in favor of people like Insur or RangeD. Obviously, competency isn't a qualification.

Why wouldn't you want Artosis and Day[9], who have accomplished less than me in BW and are worse than me at SC2, kicked off the show?


He doesn't. Neither does he want you off the show.

What he does want on the show is someone who plays terran to make the show better in many peoples opinion.

The qualification is competency and he's said that Avilo is just as incompetent as us, and supplies our results as evidence for that assessment, and then says he doesn't want Avilo on the show. How does that not lead to not wanting us on the show either and anyone with worse results than us?


that wasn't my qualification. I was replying to a person who said that Avilo wasn't a "competent terran" and therefore should not be on the show. If one was to follow that logic, you, Day9, Incontrol, Artosis, JP and so on should not be on the show - because if Avilo isn't competent going by results, then neither are the majority of the people on the show.

I certainly don't think competency is important to be on the show at all, I'm just attempting to put things in perspective. I'm sure there are other reasons not to have Avilo on the show - like how he is obviously disliked by certain co-hosts/guests or whatever

On June 21 2012 00:11 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 22:38 Quotidian wrote:
On June 20 2012 22:22 Elsid wrote:
On June 20 2012 22:18 Quotidian wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:50 UnholyRai wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:46 Quotidian wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:32 Dosey wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:14 Aquila- wrote:
Get Avilo on the show already, or at least another competent Terran...

This statement makes no sense.
Which do you want? A competent Terran, or Avilo?



well, they have on average 2 really bad (for pro players) protoss on the show, Avilo would fit right it

Are you referencing Nony as really bad? He was basically the best foreigner protoss in broodwar and while he doesn't practice nowadays his game knowledge and talent is unquestioned. Incontrol is a similar story, but to a lesser extent.


TSL2 was a looooong time ago. His 12th place finish or whatever it was at WCS @Anaheim was basically the best result he has had in SC2 in about 2 years. Just watch his stream - he's basically struggling in mid-masters at this point. His opinion isn't any more valid than Avilo's. Incontrol? He's basically completely fallen off the radar as a pro at this point and I don't think he has even qualified for WCS - why is his opinion viewed as more important than Avilo's? It's because he's a co-host on SOTG and nothing else. If the qualification for being on the show was being "competent" Nony and Incontrol should've been rotated out in favor of people like Insure and RangeD. Obviously, competency isn't a qualification.

On June 20 2012 21:54 Domus wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:46 Quotidian wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:32 Dosey wrote:
On June 20 2012 21:14 Aquila- wrote:
Get Avilo on the show already, or at least another competent Terran...

This statement makes no sense.
Which do you want? A competent Terran, or Avilo?


well, they have on average 2 really bad (for pro players) protoss on the show, Avilo would fit right it


If you hate the people on the show so much, just don't watch it instead of insulting the hosts?


I don't hate anybody. I just think they're are unreasonably full of themselves. It'd be cute if they were actually dominating the scene in terms of performance.. but, well.. they're really not anywhere close to doing that


He did qualify for WCS and that was while he was moving house so he had no practice. Also he's not really struggling with mid-masters.


I know Nony qualified and so did Avilo... but did Incontrol? And last time I watched Nony's stream, he was losing to mid master ranked no-name players, and he finished the season 28th in his league. That's mid-masters. Of course it really doesn't matter, but barring Avilo - who finished #1 in his league - from the show because he's not "competent" is obviously stupid. There are several reasons not to have Avilo on the show, but his skill is not one of them

You tell people to watch my stream to see my skill level and league placement but anyone who watches my stream knows which account I played most of last season on, an account which was #1 in its division. Your bullshit is becoming more apparent.



ok, so you're ranked the same as Avilo - my point still stands
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
June 20 2012 15:15 GMT
#46355
On June 20 2012 23:58 hifriend wrote:
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On June 20 2012 23:53 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) and then white knights or fanboys either getting their panties in a bunch over defending / attacking people.

I am 10x the player that avilo is.. cherry picking 1 tourney where we both played different people was dumb so I issued a challenge publicly and he dodged. One show match wouldn't prove anything but it'd be nice to take some of his money and give him a reason to shut the fuck up for once.

If I could do that with some of you I would do the same but for now you can sit in this thread after each show and act like vultures.


How did you come out of the Brood War community and act like this? I understand that the SC2 community is a fucking joke and very hostile compared to the good old Brood War one, where you were respected but again, most people were. I wonder if you were the same during your long stay in prestigious ToT. Such a shame.

I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.

lol the bw community was equally good at flaming people and incontrol was much, much more of a troll on teamliquid back then

everyone was a huge troll because no one had sponsors or ppl saying shit like "if you want esports to be big..."
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 20 2012 15:17 GMT
#46356
I'll speak for the silent majority and say I enjoyed the episode.

Keep up the good work.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 20 2012 15:17 GMT
#46357
On June 20 2012 23:51 Starshaped wrote:
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On June 20 2012 23:41 iNcontroL wrote:
you should front him the money then?


Interesting also that you dodged his reverse race challenge, and so many people were so quick to dismiss it.

Here's a guy who says Protoss is imbalanced against Terran, and he's willing to stand by it by offracing against a player "10x his skill" with money on the line.

Tell me, unless Terran really is weak, why would you avoid this challenge and avoid the free money? I think Avilo wanting to reverse the races was a pretty hilarious twist.


It isn't a reverse challenge when someone asks you to put your money where your mouth is and you reply by asking them to do something that they don't normally do (play a different race) and throw it back at them lol.. that is a dodge. You can't dodge someone who is dodging my friend.

It is becoming very clear that you should be ignored though Explaining this kind of stuff to someone is a waste of time.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
June 20 2012 15:18 GMT
#46358
On June 21 2012 00:15 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:58 hifriend wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:53 Psychobabas wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) and then white knights or fanboys either getting their panties in a bunch over defending / attacking people.

I am 10x the player that avilo is.. cherry picking 1 tourney where we both played different people was dumb so I issued a challenge publicly and he dodged. One show match wouldn't prove anything but it'd be nice to take some of his money and give him a reason to shut the fuck up for once.

If I could do that with some of you I would do the same but for now you can sit in this thread after each show and act like vultures.


How did you come out of the Brood War community and act like this? I understand that the SC2 community is a fucking joke and very hostile compared to the good old Brood War one, where you were respected but again, most people were. I wonder if you were the same during your long stay in prestigious ToT. Such a shame.

I will most likely be perm-banned for that. I know it's coming but it's fine, really.

lol the bw community was equally good at flaming people and incontrol was much, much more of a troll on teamliquid back then

everyone was a huge troll because no one had sponsors or ppl saying shit like "if you want esports to be big..."


And now everything is "HURTING eSPORTS." Q_Q really? People need to calm down and stop being stupid.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
June 20 2012 15:18 GMT
#46359
On June 20 2012 23:42 Quotidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:37 iNcontroL wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:29 Quotidian wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) .


not exactly impressed with you either


Obviously lol, you have been posting about how much you aren't impressed by me all over this forum.. get over it.


how about you get over yourself? You're not as big of a deal as you think you are. The way you people are acting against certain players on the podcast is nothing but petty. None of you, not even Idra, is 10x the player of anyone in high masters, that much is blatantly obvious at this point.

Anyway, hope the podcast improves soon. Sad to see it go down the (archon) toilet like this


Tell me sir, how not big of a deal am I? Like, what right do I have to say things according to you? Where do I draw the line? I am big deal enough to cast DH and be on SOTG but not enough to claim I am better than avilo or something? I'd love to discuss this with you!
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
June 20 2012 15:23 GMT
#46360
On June 21 2012 00:18 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2012 23:42 Quotidian wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:37 iNcontroL wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:29 Quotidian wrote:
On June 20 2012 23:26 iNcontroL wrote:
this thread never disappoints Judgements coming from folk who actually have no fucking clue (looking at you quitodian/starstruck) .


not exactly impressed with you either


Obviously lol, you have been posting about how much you aren't impressed by me all over this forum.. get over it.


how about you get over yourself? You're not as big of a deal as you think you are. The way you people are acting against certain players on the podcast is nothing but petty. None of you, not even Idra, is 10x the player of anyone in high masters, that much is blatantly obvious at this point.

Anyway, hope the podcast improves soon. Sad to see it go down the (archon) toilet like this


Tell me sir, how not big of a deal am I? Like, what right do I have to say things according to you? Where do I draw the line? I am big deal enough to cast DH and be on SOTG but not enough to claim I am better than avilo or something? I'd love to discuss this with you!



lol.. I've watched you "discuss" things.. It's all about bulldozing everybody else with your already set and unwavering opinion, not actually about having a discussion.
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