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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On June 20 2012 15:16 Neelia wrote: Funny that you bring up his winrate, because that makes him seem like an okay pick. Idra Incontrol Tyler Funny how people throw around single, picked out percentages to make/'prove' their points  Haha, nice. | ||
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KenZo-
Faroe Islands190 Posts
On June 20 2012 15:22 LuckyFool wrote: wow Idra has a 26% winrate in 2012? didn't realize it was that bad...yikes.  Well, I like how they tried to give ViBE some credit for winning WCS, and how it's really not mentioned anywhere at all strangely. but if IdrA had won it, rest a sure it would have been all over the interwebz ^^. | ||
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Arkansassy
358 Posts
On June 20 2012 15:17 sevencck wrote: Not only would it be a more interesting novelty match, but if Avilo wants to speak to the TvP MU, what better way to establish his credibility by simultaneously showing he understands Protoss better than his opponent understands Terran? As I see it, that's exactly the point avilo is making here. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On June 20 2012 15:27 KenZo- wrote: I agree. Vibe really did get kinda screwed coverage wise imoWell, I like how they tried to give ViBE some credit for winning WCS, and how it's really not mentioned anywhere at all strangely. but if IdrA had won it, rest a sure it would have been all over the interwebz ^^. | ||
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DaveVAH
Canada162 Posts
On June 20 2012 12:27 Pokebunny wrote: I have no personal grudge with you. I just read your frequent comments on forums and every time I do it makes me feel like you don't really know about the issues that most terrans are facing. And you would know terran's current issues? Would you agree with pro's like Mvp and DRG about state of the game? We would need someone who is not afraid to call things out as they are to represent the terrans. Not a happy nodding face. Especially not now. | ||
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Positronic
121 Posts
The point of the entire discussion shouldn't be talking about the queen change, it should be about how Terrans are supposed to play late game vs zerg. It's fucking weak as shit and nothing in HOTS is being introduced to address this problem outside of making battlecruisers faster LOL | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On June 20 2012 15:37 DaveVAH wrote: And you would know terran's current issues? Would you agree with pro's like Mvp and DRG about state of the game? We would need someone who is not afraid to call things out as they are to represent the terrans. Not a happy nodding face. Especially not now. This is unintentionally one of the funniest posts I've ever read on this site. | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
On June 20 2012 15:40 Positronic wrote: Kind of an off-putting episode since TvZ was glossed over so quickly, and as unfortunate as it is to say this, I don't believe any of the members on the show were qualified, or wanted, to talk about Terran. It's kind of frustrating as a Terran player to consistently hear their viewpoints the least on SotG. This is while I'm a huge fan of the show and have listened since the first few episodes. The point of the entire discussion shouldn't be talking about the queen change, it should be about how Terrans are supposed to play late game vs zerg. It's fucking weak as shit and nothing in HOTS is being introduced to address this problem outside of making battlecruisers faster LOL the terrans need to play better doesn't address the problem, because it implies that the problem is actually on the terran end and something terran can fix. the actual issue is simply that creep takes too fucking long to go away. the queen shit can all be dealt with; creep spread can be controlled, and will be controlled more as terran learn to deal with it and adjust, and we'll find ways to get around or plow through the queens to make our early aggression stronger again...but the simple fact that creep spread is insanely fast with three queens doing it, but then takes a fucking eternity to go away isn't something that TERRAN can fix, because it's not a terran problem. it's an issue where blizzard assumed queens would be spreading creep with 1-2 tumors and balanced EVERY movement related thing zerg do around that, and now that's not what people are doing. it's similar to how kadrian (whatever spelling) was designed to warp in templar for emergency defense storms and it turned out that people were more creative than blizzard (and that it was fucking strong anyway). | ||
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DaveVAH
Canada162 Posts
On June 20 2012 13:20 iNcontroL wrote: JP asks around for terrans guys.. bottom line is qxc is abroad and there aren't a lot of terrans to pull from. So instead he got Azael to discuss GESL and give some light to a different personality in the community.. one barely exposed. We discussed SC2 which includes terran and we will continue to discuss things like casting (when some of us aren't casters) tourneys (when some of us don't run tourneys) politics, business etc etc even if we aren't directly involved or expertly informed! Everyone on that show is more than qualified to discuss the terran race and all the others.. certainly more so than 99.99999999% of you so I don't think you need to worry about us falling short of your terran knowledge or something. But even if none of that compells you.. pull the stick out of your ass. This show NEVER had a balance in races played by the hosts. WISE THE FUCK UP or simply SHUT THE FUCK UP. Either one.. being upset at SOTG because of this particular issue at this point.. 2 years after it has been running makes you look REALLY dumb. Incontrol you lost to a diamond protoss (who was off-racing zerg) while trying to off-race as terran on your stream. Don't tell me you know more about T than masters/GM terrans who are plenty on these forums. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
I lol'd. Then I agreed. And it was good. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On June 20 2012 15:37 DaveVAH wrote: And you would know terran's current issues? Would you agree with pro's like Mvp and DRG about state of the game? We would need someone who is not afraid to call things out as they are to represent the terrans. Not a happy nodding face. Especially not now. ....lol I don't think you read these forums much, do you? | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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Swampsteel
United States94 Posts
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On June 20 2012 16:06 DaveVAH wrote: Incontrol you lost to a diamond protoss (who was off-racing zerg) while trying to off-race as terran on your stream. Don't tell me you know more about T than masters/GM terrans who are plenty on these forums. if he was off racing zerg what does it have to do with anything? nevermind that this is a ridiculously stupid point anyway | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On June 20 2012 19:20 Swampsteel wrote: SOTG is extremely entertaining. While I'm sure a Terran player could only add depth to the show, I don't think it is as important as most people are claiming. Being dismissive about "bad Terrans" getting undeserved wins has been done with every race, though I remember much less with zerg in the past than protoss. idra and artosis are preeeetttyy biased. my go to point after todays show will be MVP used as an example of terran's current balance when IdrA (and any other z player) never allowed things like Nestea winning or Fruit Dealer's win in the waaay back to be evidence of anything. that being said, who cares. this isn't some internal balance meeting, it's a show that exists for entertainment. they don't need to represent every side in every episode. imagine if a terran was on and he agreed with them! that would make it even worse haha. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
Do some people really need to hear a terran pro to come on sotg and say "shits imbalanced yo"? Because that's clearly what a lot of terrans are feeling right now. Half the SC2 forum is already dedicated to this issue. I don't think the show needs to be a place for whichever race is currently feeling underpowered to went their frustration. Terran don't have much representation on SoTG, hell most of the time it's all protoss. Incontrol, Tyler and Artosis are all capable of analyzing the game from any perspective. They are the hosts of this particular show and none of them play terran. If you need to have a terran on the show to enjoy it then you probably aren't going to like SoTG most of the time. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On June 20 2012 14:46 avilo wrote: Btw, I never dodged your challenge. I also do believe I am a better player than you, as well as more qualified to talk about balance than you are. My WCS result over you already proves who is better, and I am willing to prove it again. I challenge you to a bo5, my conditions are that I play as Protoss and you play as Terran for the entire series. We each put up $50.00, and we both must stream the entire bo5. MLG 2012 map pool from most recent MLG. Lol... You first started bragging about placing over Geoff at WCS, implying that you were better because of that one result. Then he brings it up and you're all like "Ohhh I never actually said I am better though!" And now you are just going back to it, taking so much pride in not getting far in a tournament, but happening to get one place further than him (having played different opponents). Okay... In any event, you are dodging if you are trying to get him to off race, especially when his off race is zerg. | ||
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Aquila-
516 Posts
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Fueled
United States1610 Posts
Get Avilo on the show already No  + Show Spoiler + | ||
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