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At least avilo would make the show more interesting than the circlejerk it currently is.
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Great show guys! Looking forward to that Realtalk show with Artosis. Im sure you heard it 100 times but Id like to get destiny on there as well.
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On June 20 2012 12:31 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2012 12:26 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Why can't we have good personalities that represent all races? For the same reason that everyone can win at musical chairs, not everyone gets what they want. I also think there's not many personalities that play terran at a high enough level willing to get on a show like this with enough of a standing , especially in the NA scene.
The options are pretty much like, QXC and Demuslim in terms of top people who might be available. After that the list shrinks. There are other names that aren't bad, but are they well known + solid to boot? Not a huge pool of talent that covers both of those bases when it comes to NA Terrans.
That said: people bitching about a lack of a terran, stfu. Nobody is forcing you to watch the show and it's pretty apparent that none of them were magically going to transform into a top terran. Don't like it? Don't watch. Watching and bitching only pollutes this thread and turns it into a cesspool.
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On June 20 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:26 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Why can't we have good personalities that represent all races? For the same reason that everyone can win at musical chairs, not everyone gets what they want.
It's State of the Game, not State of the Protoss and Zerg. The point of the show is to discuss the game from all perspectives. I honestly don't understand why people argue against this. This just leads to poor discussion. You don't have a debate with only one side present. Doesn't make any sense at all.
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On June 20 2012 12:32 Shaddar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:31 s3rp wrote:On June 20 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2012 12:26 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Why can't we have good personalities that represent all races? For the same reason that everyone can win at musical chairs, not everyone gets what they want. I also think there's not many personalities that play terran at a high enough level willing to get on a show like this with enough of a standing , especially in the NA scene. Bro, avilo. Have you not been reading the thread?
He doesn't exactly have a high enough standing with the NA pillars same with Pokebunny i guess. They're good players thats not the problem.
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On June 20 2012 12:27 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Morrow. Personally, I don't care about the racial distribution on the show. I just care if it's going to be fucking on or not, and JP worrying about the terran perspective isn't going to help.
I am with this man. I will take SotG in any form is shows up, as long as it has EGIncontrol, funny stories about broodwar, mocking Europe as a whole, Artosis being confused by the internet, Nony not responding to anything and JP just trying to the the show forward and get sponsors.
Oh yeah, and Idra's one liners. Those have become a staple too. Having a terran on the show is the last thing I am concerned about. If you want that, watch Inside the Game, they have it covered.
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On June 20 2012 12:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:31 s3rp wrote:On June 20 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2012 12:26 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Why can't we have good personalities that represent all races? For the same reason that everyone can win at musical chairs, not everyone gets what they want. I also think there's not many personalities that play terran at a high enough level willing to get on a show like this with enough of a standing , especially in the NA scene. The options are pretty much like, QXC and Demuslim in terms of top people who might be available. After that the list shrinks. There are other names that aren't bad, but are they well known + solid to boot? Not a huge pool of talent that covers both of those bases when it comes to NA Terrans.
Illusion would be a really good guest.
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On June 20 2012 12:31 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2012 12:26 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Why can't we have good personalities that represent all races? For the same reason that everyone can win at musical chairs, not everyone gets what they want. I also think there's not many personalities that play terran at a high enough level willing to get on a show like this with enough of a standing , especially in the NA scene.
They've had qxc, goody (I think, maybe some other Eu terran), thorzain etc. Just this time sucks for EU and it's right after dreamhack so most players are tired as hell.
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On June 20 2012 12:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:31 s3rp wrote:On June 20 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2012 12:26 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Why can't we have good personalities that represent all races? For the same reason that everyone can win at musical chairs, not everyone gets what they want. I also think there's not many personalities that play terran at a high enough level willing to get on a show like this with enough of a standing , especially in the NA scene. The options are pretty much like, QXC and Demuslim in terms of top people who might be available. After that the list shrinks. There are other names that aren't bad, but are they well known + solid to boot? Not a huge pool of talent that covers both of those bases when it comes to NA Terrans.
I guess Illussion or KWR are good enough in my mind mb Trimaster but would they be willing to get on the show ? In general there are NOT alot of Terran players in general these days that can compete outside of Korea and getting someone on the show that a) has a good enough english b) has time / lives in a timezone where his isn't in the middle of the night c) has the respect of the other hosts of the show is very hard to find.
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On June 20 2012 12:34 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:32 Shaddar wrote:On June 20 2012 12:31 s3rp wrote:On June 20 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2012 12:26 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Why can't we have good personalities that represent all races? For the same reason that everyone can win at musical chairs, not everyone gets what they want. I also think there's not many personalities that play terran at a high enough level willing to get on a show like this with enough of a standing , especially in the NA scene. Bro, avilo. Have you not been reading the thread? He doesn't exactly have a high enough standing with the NA same with Pokebunny i guess. They're good players thats not the problem.
I know I was being sarcastic lol. They should really get Demuslim on
Edit: or Thorzain
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On June 20 2012 12:35 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:34 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On June 20 2012 12:31 s3rp wrote:On June 20 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2012 12:26 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Why can't we have good personalities that represent all races? For the same reason that everyone can win at musical chairs, not everyone gets what they want. I also think there's not many personalities that play terran at a high enough level willing to get on a show like this with enough of a standing , especially in the NA scene. The options are pretty much like, QXC and Demuslim in terms of top people who might be available. After that the list shrinks. There are other names that aren't bad, but are they well known + solid to boot? Not a huge pool of talent that covers both of those bases when it comes to NA Terrans. I guess Illussion or KWR are good enough in my mind mb Trimaster but would they be willing to get on the show ?
Well personality is also important... so while there are some other notable NA terrans like KawaiiRice and even DDE (who a lot of people seem to forget) I don't think they would be a good guest on the show. Perhaps only for a terran discussion section. Then again maybe DDE would be a good guest. It would be interesting to see. 
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On June 20 2012 12:12 Nimic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:09 nkr wrote:On June 20 2012 12:05 Nimic wrote:On June 20 2012 12:03 happyness wrote:On June 20 2012 11:42 Nimic wrote:On June 20 2012 11:40 happyness wrote:On June 20 2012 11:25 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 11:23 walklightwhat wrote:On June 20 2012 11:21 Dzerzhinsky wrote:
People aren't saying that you shouldn't discuss Terran. People are saying that discussion of Terran balance issues would be infinitely more interesting if there was an actual Terran player involved to provide that perspective (rather than just having Zergs and Protosses mock Terran players for 15 minutes). Why? They did the same thing when Zerg was struggling, they either had IdrA on and argued with/made fun of him or made fun of him when he wasn't there. People just want a Terran on there to validate their own complaints. Because it's fucking State of the Game and they should discuss topics with all view points heard. There was no terran to defend the race. It's getting a little ridiculous. We deserve a terran player!! How dare they take away what we are entitled too!! I demand the show to conform exactly to my wants! ....-_- Seriously, people need to lighten up. This show is meant for some entertaining figures in the SC2 community to discuss starcraft, and that's it. Why do some members of the community need to complain about what this show "ought" to be? Just enjoy it. If you can't, then don't listen. How incredibly juvenile. No one has said that they're going to stop watching (or if someone has, why focus on them? Most of us aren't). No one has said that SotG should be exactly like this. Building up these ridiculous straw men that you can easily take apart doesn't make you look smart. I never said anyone said SotG should be exactly like anything, nor did I say anyone said they were going to stop watching. Did you read my post? I was simply pointing out that the constant whining from some (not all) is ridiculous and comes off as being entitled, and if some are going to get so angry maybe they shouldn't watch the show. Suggestions are good for this thread, being a whiny bitch is not. What? You literally said that. I demand the show to conform exactly to my wants! ....-_- are you serious? :O If you're referring to his obvious parody, then yes, I realize he was pretending to be someone else. My point was never that he wants it to conform exactly to his wants, but that that is what he suggested the rest of us think. I quoted that because he then said he never suggested that people wanted SotG to be exactly like anything, when.. yeah, that's literally what he did.
You know what, I'm sorry, you are right, and I'm sort of an idiot for not seeing that.
The first part of my post was not meant to be taken seriously. It was just supposed to be a silly, over-the-top impersonation of all the whiners that are unfortunately all too prevalent in this thread. I really wish it would stop because this thread is 99% shit unfortunately for such a great show.
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they have had plenty of terran guests on before... if you are so bothered about that there is no one "defending your race" in some episodes then go watch inside the game (which is a great show) or just don't watch at all.
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To everyone who thinks that the show is biased against Terrans:
QXC, DeMuslim, and ThorZaiN have all been on the show multiple times to give their perspectives. Enough.
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Poke, I feel like a lot of things he says are out of frustration; not intended to be taken 100% without a grain of salt. I must say a lot of my perspective on semi-pro and lesser NA pros are out of SotG and they hardly give anyone a fair shout. I do enjoy SotG, but their unwillingness to bring on any terran is a little saddening. For a show that talks about current events in the SC2 community, I do feel like terran being nerfed every patch has been downplayed because now they are actually getting to the point of being the worst race in the current meta-game. I don't think Terran are in any dire position, but if talk shows and people keep downplaying terran ability to perform in tournaments as them being imbalanced for a long time, and now it is there turn to be bad; doesn't really serve to impose balance onto the scene.
Terran have been innovating for a long time, and we didn't see infestors, warp prism, or ultras very much until blizzard patched them into focus. Not saying Terran are the best and only innovators, but everything the pros think up, gets nerfed and I think it should be addressed fairly.
TL;DR - Terran isn't in a bad place, but getting nerfed every patch and not talking about how they might actually be in trouble; will cause them to be in a place zerg was a year ago. I just want to avoid blizzard balance of there being a flavor of the month like in WoW for every new patch that comes out.
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State of the Game is State of the Game. We really enjoy it. That is why we come back and come back, and have done so for many episodes. You know the style, and the personalities by now. Start being constructive in your criticisms. Stop demanding unreasonable or uneeded things from everyone and the show.
They do have terrans on when they want / are able to. When something is clearly wrong, they call it out. And if they disagree with eachother they make it known. It's a setting between friends. It is not like they called toss and zerg HotS units completely balanced and fine.
Manner up people.
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On June 20 2012 12:32 Shaddar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:31 s3rp wrote:On June 20 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2012 12:26 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Why can't we have good personalities that represent all races? For the same reason that everyone can win at musical chairs, not everyone gets what they want. I also think there's not many personalities that play terran at a high enough level willing to get on a show like this with enough of a standing , especially in the NA scene. Bro, avilo. Have you not been reading the thread?
He said personality, not terran who also posts a lot about balance on TL. QXC is a close as we get, and Painuser(who just won an amazing TvZ against a really good zerg on stream, they minded out the whole map).
Avilo is the terran we would want if there were no one else available and someone was threatening a baby at gunpoint unless they got a terran perspective of SotG.
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1) avilo, why would they want you on stream with the way you are acting?
2) avilo, with the way you perceive them to be treating you, why would you want them to have you on the show? i think we can all see what would happen if they did.
3) what does inControl have to do with anything? is he even in control (no pun intended) at all of who does or doesn't get on the show?
4) why does there HAVE to be a Terran on the show at all? "omg Artosis said i should deal with it!?! OMG!?!" so what? is artosis your god that you can't stand having him give an opinion without someone there to be like "uh uh, you did not just say that sister!"
5) i should be on the show: i am funny, i am pretty, i am sexy and sassy, and i play terran at the ridiculously high level of plat on the NA servers. i am perfectly qualified. ya'll need to stop censoring (lol) me!!
6) why am i numbering these things?
seirously though, whats the big deal? a lot of terran's are struggling, it could be imbalance it could be metagame shift... is there really much left to discuss? sure there probably is, but does it have to be discussed RIGHT NOW? there are literally ten thousand discussions about balance every single day, and there are a lot of high level terrans in them. i didn't get the feeling that the balance discussion on this show was supposed to be the defining balance discussion of the game... more like a bunch of pros and casters and figures in the community discussing their opinions. does everyone's opinion need a voice in what is basically a casual conversation? this isn't a round table with Blizzard execs on what needs to be done with balance, it's a show with a bunch of friends(?) shooting the shit about the game. or at least, thats how i see it.
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On June 20 2012 12:36 Shaddar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:34 s3rp wrote:On June 20 2012 12:32 Shaddar wrote:On June 20 2012 12:31 s3rp wrote:On June 20 2012 12:28 Plansix wrote:On June 20 2012 12:26 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 elmizzt wrote:On June 20 2012 12:24 LambtrOn wrote:On June 20 2012 12:23 elmizzt wrote:
When will people understand that it's the personalities on the show, not the race they play/discuss, that make it awesome? Why can't it be both? Because 1 person can only play 1 race? Why can't we have good personalities that represent all races? For the same reason that everyone can win at musical chairs, not everyone gets what they want. I also think there's not many personalities that play terran at a high enough level willing to get on a show like this with enough of a standing , especially in the NA scene. Bro, avilo. Have you not been reading the thread? He doesn't exactly have a high enough standing with the NA same with Pokebunny i guess. They're good players thats not the problem. I know I was being sarcastic lol. They should really get Demuslim on Edit: or Thorzain
The issue with having Demu and or Thorzain on is then the show will become an EG circle jerk and that will just piss more people off. I'm fine with it personally as I find them all really great personalities and a perfect fit for the show its just most people will shift from no terran to too much EG
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On June 20 2012 12:31 McPhiz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 12:28 Integra wrote:On June 20 2012 12:27 Pokebunny wrote:On June 20 2012 12:26 avilo wrote:On June 20 2012 12:22 Pokebunny wrote:On June 20 2012 12:21 avilo wrote:On June 20 2012 12:17 iNcontroL wrote:On June 20 2012 12:14 avilo wrote:On June 20 2012 12:08 iNcontroL wrote:
I didn't censor you at all avilo.. jp runs this show bud and I don't have mod of the chat atm cause I am not logged in as I am in sweden.
I also just asked that we bring you in and they said no...
you really are barking up the wrong tree. Your call geoff, I simply want a pleasant conversation and a Terran perspective on SOTG. I'm willing to get on the call. I can't tell if you are reading the posts you quote or not. I literally just said it IS NOT MY CALL. LITERALLY. I think you're afraid having me on would break the negative persona you guys perpetuate of me on your show. Seriously, i'm offering intelligent conversation from a T perspective, I called you guys out. Sorry, but even from a Terran perspective your claims and ideas are not intelligent. I think you just need to accept that your ideas are quite different from even most other Terrans and I think most would be unsatisfied with you being the representative of Terran on SotG. Personal grudge much poke? Downtalk someone else, I offered intelligent conversation from a T perspective, they declined. You wouldn't know though, because they gave me no chance to talk about the current T issues/metagame, etc. That was sort of the point right? They can just perpetuate "oh he's just that whiner" if they don't let me talk. Sort of like you are right now right pokebunny? I have no personal grudge with you. I just read your frequent comments on forums and every time I do it makes me feel like you don't really know about the issues that most terrans are facing. I have to agree with Pokebunny on this. I think anyone with a brain would
"lucily most of them dont have one"- IdrA
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