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If MLG decides to not use their rules to punish players that don't attend games (if there are) then thats MLG's fault. What should Gom care.
And YES, there is clearly a HUGE diffrence if a game is televised or not when it comes to forfeiting/droppign it or not. If you don't see why, then you most like have to be spoonfed because i can't imagine your being able to handle one yourself.
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Tyler's speech was absolutely perfect.
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Slasher is annoying enough on his own show, since everyone talks about it when I don't want to listen to the guy's show and his damn opinions. Please keep him awayyyyyy!!! D:
Also LOL AT MICHELLE AND THE PORN STAR.
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Am I the only one who cannot get the VOD on MLG's page to load?
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That whole Mia Rose thing... was really uncomfortable..i mean really i dont know why she should enjoy attention in this "scene" because of her history - or why she should be on SOTG for that. She has no interest in gaming whatsoever "professionally",and i dont see why it would be fun watching her stream. I mean, if she REALLY would want to leave her history behind....WHY IS SHE STILL USING THE NAME MIA ROSE?! If she sees herself as a entertainer in games, then wait until she actually has some good stats to show concerning her stream. With another name.
( There was a german pornstar called Gina Wild who left the business...you think they announced her on tv shows where she would be doing interviews or something with Gina Wild?....Of course not, thats what they have an actual name for :D )
Seriously, I could hardly watch the last hour :D Hope they dont do stuff like that again.
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As an example just look at Anna - she is working her ass off, she is DOING things for the community - she would have the legitimacy to be on the show of course. But this whole trolling for one hour is just.....raaahr - it is making me so uncomfortable, i know i may be overreacting - but isnt it true!?
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On December 15 2011 22:11 Darchigh wrote:
That whole Mia Rose thing... was really uncomfortable..i mean really i dont know why she should enjoy attention in this "scene" because of her history - or why she should be on SOTG for that. She has no interest in gaming whatsoever "professionally",and i dont see why it would be fun watching her stream. I mean, if she REALLY would want to leave her history behind....WHY IS SHE STILL USING THE NAME MIA ROSE?! If she sees herself as a entertainer in games, then wait until she actually has some good stats to show concerning her stream. With another name.
( There was a german pornstar called Gina Wild who left the business...you think they announced her on tv shows where she would be doing interviews or something with Gina Wild?....Of course not, thats what they have an actual name for :D )
Seriously, I could hardly watch the last hour :D Hope they dont do stuff like that again.
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As an example just look at Anna - she is working her ass off, she is DOING things for the community - she would have the legitimacy to be on the show of course. But this whole trolling for one hour is just.....raaahr - it is making me so uncomfortable, i know i may be overreacting - but isnt it true!?
I don't quiet get it why you compare Anna with a pornstar.....
Anna is her real name and she has no such history
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On December 15 2011 23:17 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 22:11 Darchigh wrote:
That whole Mia Rose thing... was really uncomfortable..i mean really i dont know why she should enjoy attention in this "scene" because of her history - or why she should be on SOTG for that. She has no interest in gaming whatsoever "professionally",and i dont see why it would be fun watching her stream. I mean, if she REALLY would want to leave her history behind....WHY IS SHE STILL USING THE NAME MIA ROSE?! If she sees herself as a entertainer in games, then wait until she actually has some good stats to show concerning her stream. With another name.
( There was a german pornstar called Gina Wild who left the business...you think they announced her on tv shows where she would be doing interviews or something with Gina Wild?....Of course not, thats what they have an actual name for :D )
Seriously, I could hardly watch the last hour :D Hope they dont do stuff like that again.
PS:
As an example just look at Anna - she is working her ass off, she is DOING things for the community - she would have the legitimacy to be on the show of course. But this whole trolling for one hour is just.....raaahr - it is making me so uncomfortable, i know i may be overreacting - but isnt it true!?
I don't quiet get it why you compare Anna with a pornstar..... Anna is her real name and she has no such history
His whole point is Anna is a girl as well, and she (as opposed to Mia Rose) is actively working within the community, like doing promotion, interviews, hosting and so on, not just streaming herself playing games and relying on her past achievements for getting attention.
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On December 15 2011 11:00 W2 wrote:
I want to remind everyone that where we stand today is thanks to the existence of Gomtv. It is okay if you disagree with their decision and lose 3 respect points for them, all I'm asking is for you to have a little perspective. Gomtv was the first to set the bar high for tournament production, the first to bring us star casters, the first to provide dedicated housing and travel for foreigners, the first to promote league partnerships, the first to reach out to the West, not to mention the first to get rid of Steppes of War (all hail Gomtv).
Personally I feel this was a harsh punishment (a warning would have sufficed) but if Gomtv wants to rule with an iron fist, it is their right, who am I to complain? Isn't this what separates TL from other forums? The Tl commandments is a great guideline but if you had modding duties you will surely be aware that many deserving bans do indeed fall through the cracks. Side note: where were you when Coca/Byun were getting "bullied" as you so call it?
What is the point of this post? If we want to discuss the supposed benefits of Gomtv; they are only in the position they are due to Blizzard giving them exclusive rights and support or they would be irrelevant from the beginning. I'd say SC2/GSL probably fell short in Korea of the goals Blizzard probably expected, yet you're acting like they've hit some lofty heights that were impossible to conceive. Yet simply the Western connection is mainly and very obviously due to Blizzard, you think independently a GSL final would be held at Blizzcon for example?
I don't think anything outstanding has been achieved.. adequately prehaps, with a degree of success guaranteed from the start because it's the fucking sequel to BW. Any similar company given the backing could have done the same, how could they fuck up. The things you mention them doing are not even much to brag about; the production is inferior to BW productions, the star casters were very well known and obvious hires etc. Maybe it would be impressive if SC2 was a new game and we ignore the past completely.
And who are we to complain? Well we are the western community you are constantly mentioning them reaching out to and the entirely of their subscription base so a major part of the business plan. There's no one more in a position to complain than the customers.
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On December 15 2011 03:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:47 Whitewing wrote:On December 15 2011 02:44 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:28 Condor Hero wrote:On December 15 2011 02:25 -Archangel- wrote:On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa except they didn't kick him but only didn't choose him for Code S spot. No he actually earned that spot. yep he earned it from MLG Providence, getting 2nd to Leenock who was already in Code S. if gomtv doesn't agree with that, then they need to take it up with MLG and there are much more serious problems afoot. anyway, the reason they lost respect is because they're doing something that isn't optimal for anyone or anything. as far as i can tell, the only explanation for this move is that they've made it personal with naniwa and they just want to hurt him. and unlike naniwa, who made a bad decision when in a situation where it's very difficult to think clearly and have a good perspective, gomtv folks actually took their time responding to this incident, so that they could think perfectly clearly about it and consult people and get a good perspective and make the best move possible. and yet they still do something that's more destructive than constructive, same as naniwa. and i think that falling back on cultural differences is just insulting their critical thinking ability and their competence as international businessmen. that is, if they were competent at their jobs and were able to think like intelligent adults, they would not do non-optimal things for cultural reasons. They're doing it for business reasons. They need to send the message that it's not okay to do things like this, so this punishment accomplishes that. It tells the viewers "this is a serious competition, every match, and we want to keep it that way so you get value for your money." Whether it's a good business decision is another question, but I seriously doubt they are doing it to be vindictive towards Naniwa. i dont know what punishing naniwa by revoking the code S spot he earned accomplishes that couldn't be accomplished in any other way. i have already discussed this issue with a lot of knowledgeable and experienced people and one of the points that is pretty much universally agreed upon is that the organization running the competition is in the best position to prevent this from happening. they prevent it from happening by removing any possibility for inconsequential games and by making sure players know in advance that they will be required to try their hardest in every match in order to participate in their event. the most effective way of preventing it is certainly not making an example out of the guy who did it ignorantly. no one has ever suggested that. gomtv decides to act on a very vague rule with a very severe punishment, why? naniwa's offense was not clearly defined going into the tournament and there was no hint at what the punishment would be at all. i can't read the original korean, so i can't speak with complete confidence, but it seems to me like the application of the rule they cite is quite a stretch based on the translation. and they just make up a punishment when someone breaks it. they're very far removed from proper and effective use of a system of rules and penalties. they certainly were not compelled by their own rules to do what they did. so using this rule is an excuse to punish him. what this move accomplishes business-wise is to make everyone working with them fear them. if you do anything that they don't expect, anything that they weren't clear on or didn't bring up at all, and it works against them, then you should expect a very severe response from them. even if they set you up to do something that's bad for them, they'll still not say anything beforehand and if you go ahead and do something that's bad for them, they retaliate harshly. imo the standard good business philosophy is to cover your ass as much as possible. and when a business fails to do so, it minimizes damages and learns and fixes the problem for the future. if you are the big kid on the block and you wanna be a bully, then yeah you can be careless and when something goes wrong, don't admit fault and then slap the other guy down and make everyone hate him. if they really think that's optimal, then i'll admit that i don't know everything they know about their own business, so i can't press that too hard. all i can say is it's very improbable that that is optimal. and even if it is optimal for their own business, it's not optimal for the industry. so even if you do want to shield them with "they're just doing what they think is best for their business" i still lose 3 respect points for them. if they owned up to their mistake and stood by naniwa, then i think this is a situation where it's quite possible to use propaganda (not in an evil deceptive way, but legitimate propaganda to get the masses to understand your decision and agree with it) to make themselves look good, make naniwa look good (which they want because he's in their league and he's one of the few foreigners, extra valuable to them) and make their league look stronger than ever heading into the new year. but no, they're apparently incapable of that (either because of incompetence or emotions). edit: apparently the conduct rule wasnt used in the official explanation. if that's true, then it's even worse. they went from having a rule that, when stretched, barely is reasonable, to having no rule and just a spontaneous penalty.
Disgusting attitude. You shouldn't call yourself a pro gamer. Have you no pride at all? You probably think it's ok because you don't believe you will ever be in the GSL. Keep your attitude up!
User was warned for this post
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On December 16 2011 00:30 Kitzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:47 Whitewing wrote:On December 15 2011 02:44 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:28 Condor Hero wrote:On December 15 2011 02:25 -Archangel- wrote:On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa except they didn't kick him but only didn't choose him for Code S spot. No he actually earned that spot. yep he earned it from MLG Providence, getting 2nd to Leenock who was already in Code S. if gomtv doesn't agree with that, then they need to take it up with MLG and there are much more serious problems afoot. anyway, the reason they lost respect is because they're doing something that isn't optimal for anyone or anything. as far as i can tell, the only explanation for this move is that they've made it personal with naniwa and they just want to hurt him. and unlike naniwa, who made a bad decision when in a situation where it's very difficult to think clearly and have a good perspective, gomtv folks actually took their time responding to this incident, so that they could think perfectly clearly about it and consult people and get a good perspective and make the best move possible. and yet they still do something that's more destructive than constructive, same as naniwa. and i think that falling back on cultural differences is just insulting their critical thinking ability and their competence as international businessmen. that is, if they were competent at their jobs and were able to think like intelligent adults, they would not do non-optimal things for cultural reasons. They're doing it for business reasons. They need to send the message that it's not okay to do things like this, so this punishment accomplishes that. It tells the viewers "this is a serious competition, every match, and we want to keep it that way so you get value for your money." Whether it's a good business decision is another question, but I seriously doubt they are doing it to be vindictive towards Naniwa. i dont know what punishing naniwa by revoking the code S spot he earned accomplishes that couldn't be accomplished in any other way. i have already discussed this issue with a lot of knowledgeable and experienced people and one of the points that is pretty much universally agreed upon is that the organization running the competition is in the best position to prevent this from happening. they prevent it from happening by removing any possibility for inconsequential games and by making sure players know in advance that they will be required to try their hardest in every match in order to participate in their event. the most effective way of preventing it is certainly not making an example out of the guy who did it ignorantly. no one has ever suggested that. gomtv decides to act on a very vague rule with a very severe punishment, why? naniwa's offense was not clearly defined going into the tournament and there was no hint at what the punishment would be at all. i can't read the original korean, so i can't speak with complete confidence, but it seems to me like the application of the rule they cite is quite a stretch based on the translation. and they just make up a punishment when someone breaks it. they're very far removed from proper and effective use of a system of rules and penalties. they certainly were not compelled by their own rules to do what they did. so using this rule is an excuse to punish him. what this move accomplishes business-wise is to make everyone working with them fear them. if you do anything that they don't expect, anything that they weren't clear on or didn't bring up at all, and it works against them, then you should expect a very severe response from them. even if they set you up to do something that's bad for them, they'll still not say anything beforehand and if you go ahead and do something that's bad for them, they retaliate harshly. imo the standard good business philosophy is to cover your ass as much as possible. and when a business fails to do so, it minimizes damages and learns and fixes the problem for the future. if you are the big kid on the block and you wanna be a bully, then yeah you can be careless and when something goes wrong, don't admit fault and then slap the other guy down and make everyone hate him. if they really think that's optimal, then i'll admit that i don't know everything they know about their own business, so i can't press that too hard. all i can say is it's very improbable that that is optimal. and even if it is optimal for their own business, it's not optimal for the industry. so even if you do want to shield them with "they're just doing what they think is best for their business" i still lose 3 respect points for them. if they owned up to their mistake and stood by naniwa, then i think this is a situation where it's quite possible to use propaganda (not in an evil deceptive way, but legitimate propaganda to get the masses to understand your decision and agree with it) to make themselves look good, make naniwa look good (which they want because he's in their league and he's one of the few foreigners, extra valuable to them) and make their league look stronger than ever heading into the new year. but no, they're apparently incapable of that (either because of incompetence or emotions). edit: apparently the conduct rule wasnt used in the official explanation. if that's true, then it's even worse. they went from having a rule that, when stretched, barely is reasonable, to having no rule and just a spontaneous penalty. Disgusting attitude. You shouldn't call yourself a pro gamer. Have you no pride at all? You probably think it's ok because you don't believe you will ever be in the GSL. Keep your attitude up!
I want to call this a troll, but sadly I think he's serious
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Geoff points were soooooo good. Not easy when there's 3 intelligent guys near you, giving good sense point but trying to please all the viewers.
Geoff has balls.
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On December 16 2011 00:30 Kitzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:37 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:47 Whitewing wrote:On December 15 2011 02:44 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 15 2011 02:28 Condor Hero wrote:On December 15 2011 02:25 -Archangel- wrote:On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa except they didn't kick him but only didn't choose him for Code S spot. No he actually earned that spot. yep he earned it from MLG Providence, getting 2nd to Leenock who was already in Code S. if gomtv doesn't agree with that, then they need to take it up with MLG and there are much more serious problems afoot. anyway, the reason they lost respect is because they're doing something that isn't optimal for anyone or anything. as far as i can tell, the only explanation for this move is that they've made it personal with naniwa and they just want to hurt him. and unlike naniwa, who made a bad decision when in a situation where it's very difficult to think clearly and have a good perspective, gomtv folks actually took their time responding to this incident, so that they could think perfectly clearly about it and consult people and get a good perspective and make the best move possible. and yet they still do something that's more destructive than constructive, same as naniwa. and i think that falling back on cultural differences is just insulting their critical thinking ability and their competence as international businessmen. that is, if they were competent at their jobs and were able to think like intelligent adults, they would not do non-optimal things for cultural reasons. They're doing it for business reasons. They need to send the message that it's not okay to do things like this, so this punishment accomplishes that. It tells the viewers "this is a serious competition, every match, and we want to keep it that way so you get value for your money." Whether it's a good business decision is another question, but I seriously doubt they are doing it to be vindictive towards Naniwa. i dont know what punishing naniwa by revoking the code S spot he earned accomplishes that couldn't be accomplished in any other way. i have already discussed this issue with a lot of knowledgeable and experienced people and one of the points that is pretty much universally agreed upon is that the organization running the competition is in the best position to prevent this from happening. they prevent it from happening by removing any possibility for inconsequential games and by making sure players know in advance that they will be required to try their hardest in every match in order to participate in their event. the most effective way of preventing it is certainly not making an example out of the guy who did it ignorantly. no one has ever suggested that. gomtv decides to act on a very vague rule with a very severe punishment, why? naniwa's offense was not clearly defined going into the tournament and there was no hint at what the punishment would be at all. i can't read the original korean, so i can't speak with complete confidence, but it seems to me like the application of the rule they cite is quite a stretch based on the translation. and they just make up a punishment when someone breaks it. they're very far removed from proper and effective use of a system of rules and penalties. they certainly were not compelled by their own rules to do what they did. so using this rule is an excuse to punish him. what this move accomplishes business-wise is to make everyone working with them fear them. if you do anything that they don't expect, anything that they weren't clear on or didn't bring up at all, and it works against them, then you should expect a very severe response from them. even if they set you up to do something that's bad for them, they'll still not say anything beforehand and if you go ahead and do something that's bad for them, they retaliate harshly. imo the standard good business philosophy is to cover your ass as much as possible. and when a business fails to do so, it minimizes damages and learns and fixes the problem for the future. if you are the big kid on the block and you wanna be a bully, then yeah you can be careless and when something goes wrong, don't admit fault and then slap the other guy down and make everyone hate him. if they really think that's optimal, then i'll admit that i don't know everything they know about their own business, so i can't press that too hard. all i can say is it's very improbable that that is optimal. and even if it is optimal for their own business, it's not optimal for the industry. so even if you do want to shield them with "they're just doing what they think is best for their business" i still lose 3 respect points for them. if they owned up to their mistake and stood by naniwa, then i think this is a situation where it's quite possible to use propaganda (not in an evil deceptive way, but legitimate propaganda to get the masses to understand your decision and agree with it) to make themselves look good, make naniwa look good (which they want because he's in their league and he's one of the few foreigners, extra valuable to them) and make their league look stronger than ever heading into the new year. but no, they're apparently incapable of that (either because of incompetence or emotions). edit: apparently the conduct rule wasnt used in the official explanation. if that's true, then it's even worse. they went from having a rule that, when stretched, barely is reasonable, to having no rule and just a spontaneous penalty. Disgusting attitude. You shouldn't call yourself a pro gamer. Have you no pride at all? You probably think it's ok because you don't believe you will ever be in the GSL. Keep your attitude up! User was warned for this post
Aside from the fact that is silly to bash someone, just because they have a different opinion, I have no idea why so many people use the word disgusting on here. It seems that if English is your first language you should surely be able to express yourself better than resorting to sensationalist hyperbole that you would typically associate with cheap tabloid newspapers. It just seems that people are trying to shout the loudest, and use the most emotive language possible in order to try and convince the other side that they are completely right. That's not how a discussion should work, but I guess on the internet then being respectful is too much to ask. It's ironic since a perceived lack of respect is one of the reasons people criticised Naniwa in the first place, but many of the same people cannot exercise basic respect in a discussion!
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Thanks JP for a great year of SotG but I was pretty disappointed by the final episode, I didn't find it as funny or insightful as other SotGs  .
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great episode ♥ Thank you!
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was looking foward to anna in a bathing suit but i didnt see it
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Dear god, Tyler doing shoutouts during the graduation song had me in tears. So bad, yet so good. :D
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I'm still waiting on someone to cut tyler's speech into a video.. I want that pretty bad.
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Holy fucking ****!! This was the absolute greatest SOTG episode ever!! I loved some of the older stuff back when Geoff said whatever the **** he wanted and JP was the awkvard host! Was priceless! BUT! those episodes were NOTHING compared to this goldmine of a SOTG episode! I loved it so much! It was the funniest show ever! Seriously! You guys are incredible!! Was roffling all the way from start to finish! 
And fucking hell ! Please always give Geoff some bottles of wine before shows! Geoff + wine seems like one of the greatest combinations in the universe ! :D
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 !
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2v2s were pretty funny.
And by pretty funny i mean fucking hilarious.
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