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On December 02 2011 11:40 AWOT wrote:
Its getting to the point that people are just trying to find anything Incontrol says is just hypocritcal...Its annoying -_- people need to grow up.
I honestly think he puts a lot of that on himself.
He's very extreme in just about every way he responds to anything.
There is no middle ground, he either loves it or hates it.
Plus I don't think he responds very well to criticism; part of that is because some people are morons but part of it is because of the way he lashes back so that people get even more aggressive as time goes on.
Kinda sad he gets the shit he does. Obviously very biased and has double standards but his love of the game is genuine.
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iNcontroL
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On December 02 2011 23:24 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 10:03 iNcontroL wrote:On December 02 2011 09:56 Bart wrote:On November 30 2011 15:40 confusedcrib wrote:
I'm a huge fan of the show and have been listening since day one. Getting trashed by them made me really sad :'( I realize that I deserved it, it just still sucks, makes me feel worse for other people in the community that get flamed. I just finished listening to the episode and although the episode was good as always but even I cringed when the SOTG group was calling the article/him retarded. After reading Incontrol's blog I felt it was a bit hypocritical to post a blog post that asked the community to contribute more and then on SOTG blast down an article written by a member of the community (written based on his POV). If we want more contribution, eg Kenniget's idea of unbiased freelance journalism (ie content from individuals not linked to organisations), from the community, then community leaders have to encourage. In conclusion, I have a problem with the way SOTG handled the situation despite the fact that the article was written prematurely/unfairly/inaccurately. No it isn't hypocritical to ask people to contribute but then get mad at someone who "contributed" an article his own organization apologized for, the author apologized for and was widely recognized as a mistake. I didn't give everyone a free pass on "make anything you want and nobody can say anything against it cause I asked people to do stuff!" really dumb thing of you to say. Disagreeing is fine, but the manner in which you responded to that segment of the article was unnecessary and made you come across as a jackass. To be honest your reaction seemed largely influenced by frustration at your own performance -_-.
you wouldn't know anything about my reaction and what it's influences are.. hence my frustration when people like you speculate but the difference between you and a volunteer writer for TL is you get to say dumb stuff and nobody cares or quotes and just moves on.. when it's a big article it gets the attention it doesn't deserve. So my frustration is for reasons I've expressed in enough places as it is.
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On December 03 2011 04:06 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 23:24 TheSubtleArt wrote:On December 02 2011 10:03 iNcontroL wrote:On December 02 2011 09:56 Bart wrote:On November 30 2011 15:40 confusedcrib wrote:
I'm a huge fan of the show and have been listening since day one. Getting trashed by them made me really sad :'( I realize that I deserved it, it just still sucks, makes me feel worse for other people in the community that get flamed. I just finished listening to the episode and although the episode was good as always but even I cringed when the SOTG group was calling the article/him retarded. After reading Incontrol's blog I felt it was a bit hypocritical to post a blog post that asked the community to contribute more and then on SOTG blast down an article written by a member of the community (written based on his POV). If we want more contribution, eg Kenniget's idea of unbiased freelance journalism (ie content from individuals not linked to organisations), from the community, then community leaders have to encourage. In conclusion, I have a problem with the way SOTG handled the situation despite the fact that the article was written prematurely/unfairly/inaccurately. No it isn't hypocritical to ask people to contribute but then get mad at someone who "contributed" an article his own organization apologized for, the author apologized for and was widely recognized as a mistake. I didn't give everyone a free pass on "make anything you want and nobody can say anything against it cause I asked people to do stuff!" really dumb thing of you to say. Disagreeing is fine, but the manner in which you responded to that segment of the article was unnecessary and made you come across as a jackass. To be honest your reaction seemed largely influenced by frustration at your own performance -_-. you wouldn't know anything about my reaction and what it's influences are.. hence my frustration when people like you speculate but the difference between you and a volunteer writer for TL is you get to say dumb stuff and nobody cares or quotes and just moves on.. when it's a big article it gets the attention it doesn't deserve. So my frustration is for reasons I've expressed in enough places as it is.
Relax man - it's the weeekend :D
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On December 03 2011 04:06 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 23:24 TheSubtleArt wrote:On December 02 2011 10:03 iNcontroL wrote:On December 02 2011 09:56 Bart wrote:On November 30 2011 15:40 confusedcrib wrote:
I'm a huge fan of the show and have been listening since day one. Getting trashed by them made me really sad :'( I realize that I deserved it, it just still sucks, makes me feel worse for other people in the community that get flamed. I just finished listening to the episode and although the episode was good as always but even I cringed when the SOTG group was calling the article/him retarded. After reading Incontrol's blog I felt it was a bit hypocritical to post a blog post that asked the community to contribute more and then on SOTG blast down an article written by a member of the community (written based on his POV). If we want more contribution, eg Kenniget's idea of unbiased freelance journalism (ie content from individuals not linked to organisations), from the community, then community leaders have to encourage. In conclusion, I have a problem with the way SOTG handled the situation despite the fact that the article was written prematurely/unfairly/inaccurately. No it isn't hypocritical to ask people to contribute but then get mad at someone who "contributed" an article his own organization apologized for, the author apologized for and was widely recognized as a mistake. I didn't give everyone a free pass on "make anything you want and nobody can say anything against it cause I asked people to do stuff!" really dumb thing of you to say. Disagreeing is fine, but the manner in which you responded to that segment of the article was unnecessary and made you come across as a jackass. To be honest your reaction seemed largely influenced by frustration at your own performance -_-. you wouldn't know anything about my reaction and what it's influences are.. hence my frustration when people like you speculate but the difference between you and a volunteer writer for TL is you get to say dumb stuff and nobody cares or quotes and just moves on.. when it's a big article it gets the attention it doesn't deserve. So my frustration is for reasons I've expressed in enough places as it is.
It's dumb in your opinion, but there are other people who would agree the results of LZ, Strifecro, and yourself are unacceptable for players living in a dedicated team house and enjoying the backing of one of North America's largest gaming teams. Either way blasting confusedcrib to the extent you did for simply having an opinion and choosing the wrong platform on which to express it is douchey. This is also disregarding the fact that you exaggerated his stance severely...
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On December 03 2011 05:27 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 04:06 iNcontroL wrote:On December 02 2011 23:24 TheSubtleArt wrote:On December 02 2011 10:03 iNcontroL wrote:On December 02 2011 09:56 Bart wrote:On November 30 2011 15:40 confusedcrib wrote:
I'm a huge fan of the show and have been listening since day one. Getting trashed by them made me really sad :'( I realize that I deserved it, it just still sucks, makes me feel worse for other people in the community that get flamed. I just finished listening to the episode and although the episode was good as always but even I cringed when the SOTG group was calling the article/him retarded. After reading Incontrol's blog I felt it was a bit hypocritical to post a blog post that asked the community to contribute more and then on SOTG blast down an article written by a member of the community (written based on his POV). If we want more contribution, eg Kenniget's idea of unbiased freelance journalism (ie content from individuals not linked to organisations), from the community, then community leaders have to encourage. In conclusion, I have a problem with the way SOTG handled the situation despite the fact that the article was written prematurely/unfairly/inaccurately. No it isn't hypocritical to ask people to contribute but then get mad at someone who "contributed" an article his own organization apologized for, the author apologized for and was widely recognized as a mistake. I didn't give everyone a free pass on "make anything you want and nobody can say anything against it cause I asked people to do stuff!" really dumb thing of you to say. Disagreeing is fine, but the manner in which you responded to that segment of the article was unnecessary and made you come across as a jackass. To be honest your reaction seemed largely influenced by frustration at your own performance -_-. you wouldn't know anything about my reaction and what it's influences are.. hence my frustration when people like you speculate but the difference between you and a volunteer writer for TL is you get to say dumb stuff and nobody cares or quotes and just moves on.. when it's a big article it gets the attention it doesn't deserve. So my frustration is for reasons I've expressed in enough places as it is. It's dumb in your opinion, but there are other people who would agree the results of LZ, Strifecro, and yourself are unacceptable for players living in a dedicated team house and enjoying the backing of one of North America's largest gaming teams. Either way blasting confusedcrib to the extent you did for simply having an opinion and choosing the wrong platform on which to express it is douchey. This is also disregarding the fact that you exaggerated his stance severely...
It wasn't just Geoff's opinion, though. I seem to recall Artosis - and basically everyone on SOTG - echoing his sentiments. The article's stance wasn't just "dumb in his opinion." It was flat out wrong, on top of being inappropriate.
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iNcontroL
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also lz doesn't live in the house but the fact I am telling you that shows your research into the matter.. it's pretty standard to have an opinion you don't actually know anything about but when you get called out on it it's best you just turtle up and go away maybe we will forget you are dumb.
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On December 03 2011 05:27 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 04:06 iNcontroL wrote:On December 02 2011 23:24 TheSubtleArt wrote:On December 02 2011 10:03 iNcontroL wrote:On December 02 2011 09:56 Bart wrote:On November 30 2011 15:40 confusedcrib wrote:
I'm a huge fan of the show and have been listening since day one. Getting trashed by them made me really sad :'( I realize that I deserved it, it just still sucks, makes me feel worse for other people in the community that get flamed. I just finished listening to the episode and although the episode was good as always but even I cringed when the SOTG group was calling the article/him retarded. After reading Incontrol's blog I felt it was a bit hypocritical to post a blog post that asked the community to contribute more and then on SOTG blast down an article written by a member of the community (written based on his POV). If we want more contribution, eg Kenniget's idea of unbiased freelance journalism (ie content from individuals not linked to organisations), from the community, then community leaders have to encourage. In conclusion, I have a problem with the way SOTG handled the situation despite the fact that the article was written prematurely/unfairly/inaccurately. No it isn't hypocritical to ask people to contribute but then get mad at someone who "contributed" an article his own organization apologized for, the author apologized for and was widely recognized as a mistake. I didn't give everyone a free pass on "make anything you want and nobody can say anything against it cause I asked people to do stuff!" really dumb thing of you to say. Disagreeing is fine, but the manner in which you responded to that segment of the article was unnecessary and made you come across as a jackass. To be honest your reaction seemed largely influenced by frustration at your own performance -_-. you wouldn't know anything about my reaction and what it's influences are.. hence my frustration when people like you speculate but the difference between you and a volunteer writer for TL is you get to say dumb stuff and nobody cares or quotes and just moves on.. when it's a big article it gets the attention it doesn't deserve. So my frustration is for reasons I've expressed in enough places as it is. It's dumb in your opinion, but there are other people who would agree the results of LZ, Strifecro, and yourself are unacceptable for players living in a dedicated team house and enjoying the backing of one of North America's largest gaming teams. Either way blasting confusedcrib to the extent you did for simply having an opinion and choosing the wrong platform on which to express it is douchey. This is also disregarding the fact that you exaggerated his stance severely...
Are you implying that everyone living in a korean house or playing on a korean team has success greater than the players you have listed? I think not.
Can't really expect everyone living in a house or on a good team to win tournaments. It's not realistic.
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On December 03 2011 05:27 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 04:06 iNcontroL wrote:On December 02 2011 23:24 TheSubtleArt wrote:On December 02 2011 10:03 iNcontroL wrote:On December 02 2011 09:56 Bart wrote:On November 30 2011 15:40 confusedcrib wrote:
I'm a huge fan of the show and have been listening since day one. Getting trashed by them made me really sad :'( I realize that I deserved it, it just still sucks, makes me feel worse for other people in the community that get flamed. I just finished listening to the episode and although the episode was good as always but even I cringed when the SOTG group was calling the article/him retarded. After reading Incontrol's blog I felt it was a bit hypocritical to post a blog post that asked the community to contribute more and then on SOTG blast down an article written by a member of the community (written based on his POV). If we want more contribution, eg Kenniget's idea of unbiased freelance journalism (ie content from individuals not linked to organisations), from the community, then community leaders have to encourage. In conclusion, I have a problem with the way SOTG handled the situation despite the fact that the article was written prematurely/unfairly/inaccurately. No it isn't hypocritical to ask people to contribute but then get mad at someone who "contributed" an article his own organization apologized for, the author apologized for and was widely recognized as a mistake. I didn't give everyone a free pass on "make anything you want and nobody can say anything against it cause I asked people to do stuff!" really dumb thing of you to say. Disagreeing is fine, but the manner in which you responded to that segment of the article was unnecessary and made you come across as a jackass. To be honest your reaction seemed largely influenced by frustration at your own performance -_-. you wouldn't know anything about my reaction and what it's influences are.. hence my frustration when people like you speculate but the difference between you and a volunteer writer for TL is you get to say dumb stuff and nobody cares or quotes and just moves on.. when it's a big article it gets the attention it doesn't deserve. So my frustration is for reasons I've expressed in enough places as it is. It's dumb in your opinion, but there are other people who would agree the results of LZ, Strifecro, and yourself are unacceptable for players living in a dedicated team house and enjoying the backing of one of North America's largest gaming teams. Either way blasting confusedcrib to the extent you did for simply having an opinion and choosing the wrong platform on which to express it is douchey. This is also disregarding the fact that you exaggerated his stance severely...
The thing is that if you subscribe to that belief then you must also believe that 3ish months is enough time to become the best of the best and that is excluding the travelling that has been going on for the EG guys. This also assumes that those players you listed were playing "correctly" before they went into the house and that they did not have any kinks to iron out of their play which I think is a rather daft assumption for a game that is still so young. However if we were to revisit this topic in another 8-10 months I am of the opinion that the EG guys will be massively improved. The criticism's of iNcontroL's reaction and the reaction of the other SOTG hosts are more valid but as iNcontroL says we have no idea what influenced his reaction.
I think the only real criticism of EG with regards their team house at the moment is that they invest in this and look like they are ready to push western e-sports forward and then firstly recruit HuK, and while Huk is a fantastic player he is not interested I would assume at this moment in Leaving Korea and contributing to the house and then forming the slayers partnership which will remove even more of their top players from the house who's presence would most help the weaker members improve and while I would expect the house is a more long term investment than the next 6-12 months given the longevity of BW I still think EG is doing a lot in a very short space of time. Also they seem tyo be verry Terran light as I believe LZ switched to zerg and Puma and DeMu are not full time in the house
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That third song in SoTG 57. I MUST HAVE IT.
Seriously. Anyone remember? Kind of sad, no lyrics or words or anything like that. sounded like one stringed instrument and one woodwind.
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Great show!! Always looking forward to the next episode  Just wanna know what's the song that runs during commercials on the mp3s?
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On December 03 2011 05:36 iNcontroL wrote:
also lz doesn't live in the house but the fact I am telling you that shows your research into the matter.. it's pretty standard to have an opinion you don't actually know anything about but when you get called out on it it's best you just turtle up and go away maybe we will forget you are dumb.
Wasnt having an opinion because quite frankly I dont care enough the topic. I was just pointing out that different views on the matter do in fact exist, and your reaction was excessive. Your response could have basically been:
Author: the EG house doesn't seem to be working, EG members aside from the "big 3" are showing disturbingly poor results.
You: Our results aren't as bad as you make them out to be, and 3 months isn't enough time to show noticeable improvement.
Instead you berate the writer, call him an idiot, and exaggerate his argument and claim he's somehow questioning the validity of North American team houses in general...
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iNcontroL
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everyone has pretty much already posted about you being wrong and needing to go away.. you should take the cue.
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White knighting without a good purpose....Disapointed in you SubtleArt.
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Honestly I thought Artosis was harder on ConfusedCrib then iNcontroL lol. Kinda funny that iNcontroL sees all the flaming and not Artosis  .
Whether they were harsh about the way the conveyed their criticism of ConfusedCrib's article or not, they were right. That portion of the article did not need to be written. It didn't really seem to fit into the topic of the article, and overall it felt like a thoughtless pot shot at the EG players and the organization, and I think it would be wrong of EG to completely ignore that.
Yeah sure, they might've been a little bit harsh in their criticisms of ConfusedCrib, but his criticisms of EG in his article were harsh and very personal to the EG players (aka iNcontroL, Machine, StrifeCro, and Axslav, as the others were specifically excluded).
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On December 04 2011 05:08 iNcontroL wrote:
everyone has pretty much already posted about you being wrong and needing to go away.. you should take the cue.
So you don't think you acted like a douchebag? ok.
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On December 04 2011 13:56 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 05:08 iNcontroL wrote:
everyone has pretty much already posted about you being wrong and needing to go away.. you should take the cue. So you don't think you acted like a douchebag? ok.
Seems like your the douchebag imo
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iNcontroL
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On December 04 2011 13:56 TheSubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 05:08 iNcontroL wrote:
everyone has pretty much already posted about you being wrong and needing to go away.. you should take the cue. So you don't think you acted like a douchebag? ok.
lol
go away troll
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someone make a poll to get an episode dedicated to brood war stories
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On December 04 2011 14:02 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2011 13:56 TheSubtleArt wrote:On December 04 2011 05:08 iNcontroL wrote:
everyone has pretty much already posted about you being wrong and needing to go away.. you should take the cue. So you don't think you acted like a douchebag? ok. lol go away troll
nvm, im stupid x.x
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