EPTOfficial State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1838
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Agnosthar
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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
Now I'm waiting for an artosis-naniwa cast... | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On December 01 2011 05:15 iNcontroL wrote: Yeah my mistake.. he only won an MSL. O_O do you people even know how big of a deal that is? It is, but he kinda came out of nowhere and then faded after that win. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On December 01 2011 22:56 TheSubtleArt wrote: It is, but he kinda came out of nowhere and then faded after that win. I think it's a pretty good sign that someone was a high profile player when "fading" or "slumping" means getting Ro8 in MSL and back to back qualifications for OSL (which is what he did in second half of 2010) | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On December 01 2011 23:20 Vorenius wrote: I think it's a pretty good sign that someone was a high profile player when "fading" or "slumping" means getting Ro8 in MSL and back to back qualifications for OSL (which is what he did in second half of 2010) One Ro8 and back to back qualifications for a league isn't that meaningful under the criteria of "one of the greats". He was an above average Terran, sure, but not on the same level as Fantasy or Jaedong or Stork or Flash... | ||
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HypernovA
Canada556 Posts
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Kaien
Belgium178 Posts
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FatkiddsLag
United States413 Posts
On December 02 2011 06:14 HypernovA wrote: JP, please get a Terran player on this show. It would be really nice to have another Perspective than just Zerg and especially Protoss all the time. this show didnt discuss balance or match ups really at all. | ||
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Biggun69
187 Posts
On December 02 2011 06:11 TheSubtleArt wrote: One Ro8 and back to back qualifications for a league isn't that meaningful under the criteria of "one of the greats". He was an above average Terran, sure, but not on the same level as Fantasy or Jaedong or Stork or Flash... Noone ever said he was on the same level as these players . . . . But he is still super talented. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On December 01 2011 10:17 FatkiddsLag wrote: funniest moment in sotg history. i was on a plane when i listened to it on my ipod and i started dieing laughing and everyone was looking at me. Sounds awkward for you... | ||
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stormchaser
Canada1009 Posts
Nah bursting out laughing while everyone is looking at you would be a pretty comfortable experience. | ||
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Bart
494 Posts
On November 30 2011 15:40 confusedcrib wrote: I'm a huge fan of the show and have been listening since day one. Getting trashed by them made me really sad :'( I realize that I deserved it, it just still sucks, makes me feel worse for other people in the community that get flamed. I just finished listening to the episode and although the episode was good as always but even I cringed when the SOTG group was calling the article/him retarded. After reading Incontrol's blog I felt it was a bit hypocritical to post a blog post that asked the community to contribute more and then on SOTG blast down an article written by a member of the community (written based on his POV). If we want more contribution, eg Kenniget's idea of unbiased freelance journalism (ie content from individuals not linked to organisations) from the community, then community leaders should not be so overly critical of an article which would then scare any aspiring writers to not post in fear of getting flamed. In conclusion, I have a problem with the way SOTG handled the situation despite the fact that the article was written prematurely/unfairly/inaccurately. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 02 2011 09:56 Bart wrote: I just finished listening to the episode and although the episode was good as always but even I cringed when the SOTG group was calling the article/him retarded. After reading Incontrol's blog I felt it was a bit hypocritical to post a blog post that asked the community to contribute more and then on SOTG blast down an article written by a member of the community (written based on his POV). If we want more contribution, eg Kenniget's idea of unbiased freelance journalism (ie content from individuals not linked to organisations), from the community, then community leaders have to encourage. In conclusion, I have a problem with the way SOTG handled the situation despite the fact that the article was written prematurely/unfairly/inaccurately. No it isn't hypocritical to ask people to contribute but then get mad at someone who "contributed" an article his own organization apologized for, the author apologized for and was widely recognized as a mistake. I didn't give everyone a free pass on "make anything you want and nobody can say anything against it cause I asked people to do stuff!" really dumb thing of you to say. | ||
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asaed
United States1412 Posts
On December 02 2011 09:56 Bart wrote: I just finished listening to the episode and although the episode was good as always but even I cringed when the SOTG group was calling the article/him retarded. After reading Incontrol's blog I felt it was a bit hypocritical to post a blog post that asked the community to contribute more and then on SOTG blast down an article written by a member of the community (written based on his POV). If we want more contribution, eg Kenniget's idea of unbiased freelance journalism (ie content from individuals not linked to organisations), from the community, then community leaders have to encourage. In conclusion, I have a problem with the way SOTG handled the situation despite the fact that the article was written prematurely/unfairly/inaccurately. ...that is not hypocritical AT ALL. He's talking about two completely separate things. FEATURED NEWS on a Team Liquid website is NOT the same as encouraging people to get involved. I don't think Incontrol was saying "Get involved on TL ANY WAY POSSIBLE! Hell, start spamming people and saying stupid shit and criticizing everyone!!! As long as you get involved, that's what matters!" It would have been totally fine if confusedcrib had written his article as a blog post or even as an editorial (clearly stating it was NOT TL's position...) but as it was written in the middle of the MLG recap, it was very odd. I realize you are not arguing in favor of the article (as you have clearly stated you think it's misplaced), but I thought SotG was fine in expressing their honest opinion about it. Incontrol was not being a hypocrite--after all, you can encourage good ways to get involved in the TL community and still discourage mistakes/not-so-good conduct. Finally, aren't YOU being hypocritical by saying on one hand "we should support free journalism and uncensored, unbiased ideas" while on the other hand criticizing the way SotG decided to be VERY open and critical, expressing THEIR uncensored, honest opinion? | ||
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Anachronism
109 Posts
All the while NASL keeps sinking and the paying customers keep feeling alienated that they're not being heard. I for one paid for Season 1, nothing seem to have changed so I won't pay for Season 2 and I pity the ones who did and now feel cheated. My point is; Not everyone is a whiner. We, the paying customers, are the longterm lifeline for these things... not listening to what evidently a majority of the viewers are thinking is not a sound plan no matter how much Geoff thinks the NASL is awesome. But as I said above, who can discuss it? Apparently nobody at SOTG. But I wish they did, I wish someone did because it'd be healthy. They brought this up on "!2%@£ Slahers!" regarding press and critique in eSports , very good discussion regarding freedom of press and how nobody really dares criticize to much since they are then seen as a problem and less able to get interviews/time/space/access to events. | ||
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Remb
United States190 Posts
I know most of us have a large amount of criticism towards KeSPA, but SC2 tournaments NEED organizations with defined sets of rules and the power to disqualify players. That being said, it should definitely not be run by the sponsors of a tournament ( like KeSPA ), and it shouldn't be as draconian and excessively strict. There needs to be a neutral party affiliated with neither the players, the casters, nor the sponsors. Tournaments need a referee who can tell a player: "You're going to far, this is my warning. You need to stop right now or I will have to disqualify you." This party would also be responsible for things like hosting games and declaring draws. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 02 2011 10:03 iNcontroL wrote: No it isn't hypocritical to ask people to contribute but then get mad at someone who "contributed" an article his own organization apologized for, the author apologized for and was widely recognized as a mistake. I didn't give everyone a free pass on "make anything you want and nobody can say anything against it cause I asked people to do stuff!" really dumb thing of you to say. I'm pretty sure that if there had been no pressure, neither the editor nor the author would have made it an issue (after all it had already been reviewed before posting). What is stated in an article can be wrong (or proven to be wrong in the future), but it's normal for people to occasionally be wrong, especially on opinion pieces. And what's in the article wasn't even definitively wrong, it is still a valid opinion to have for the time being. This is exactly the opposite of unbiased journalism - if people are going to throw a fuss on every controversial article or something they don't agree with or that conflicts with the interests of their teams, sponsors, etc. then most of the articles will turn into generic hype and/or fluff (which honestly many of them already are). | ||
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YipCraft
United States216 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I hope you do a show next week. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On December 02 2011 10:03 iNcontroL wrote: No it isn't hypocritical to ask people to contribute but then get mad at someone who "contributed" an article his own organization apologized for, the author apologized for and was widely recognized as a mistake. I didn't give everyone a free pass on "make anything you want and nobody can say anything against it cause I asked people to do stuff!" really dumb thing of you to say. Disagreeing is fine, but the manner in which you responded to that segment of the article was unnecessary and made you come across as a jackass. To be honest your reaction seemed largely influenced by frustration at your own performance -_-. | ||
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