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On November 28 2011 04:56 Canucklehead wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 04:37 Choboo wrote:On November 28 2011 04:26 Canucklehead wrote:On November 28 2011 04:21 storm44 wrote:
people (terrans) cant possibly be this stupid thinking protoss is op after one tourney. the best terran players werent even at dreamhack and you guys are complaining about balance? QQ when terran is non existent in code s kthx. Well that's the thing. Terran only does well in one part of the world and that's korea and that's only because a higher % of top pros chose terran as their race in korea. Put together a list of the top foreigners and how many terrans are on it? The majority of top foreigners are toss and zerg. Maybe that's because a lower % of top pros chose terran as their race outside of Korea? Even if that was true, terran was nerfed to death because of results in korea. Can't say the reverse was true with the foreign scene, since toss and zerg only got buffs mostly.
@Storm 44.
I think you're forgetting that the world best Terrans attended the latest MLG. To be quiet honest, there results were quiet woeful.
I agree, there needs to be more Terrans on SOTG. But you know, the majority of the community is stupidly biased against Terran it's disgusting. I swear Terran is the most least played race right now.
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On November 28 2011 14:17 ZorBa.G wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 04:56 Canucklehead wrote:On November 28 2011 04:37 Choboo wrote:On November 28 2011 04:26 Canucklehead wrote:On November 28 2011 04:21 storm44 wrote:
people (terrans) cant possibly be this stupid thinking protoss is op after one tourney. the best terran players werent even at dreamhack and you guys are complaining about balance? QQ when terran is non existent in code s kthx. Well that's the thing. Terran only does well in one part of the world and that's korea and that's only because a higher % of top pros chose terran as their race in korea. Put together a list of the top foreigners and how many terrans are on it? The majority of top foreigners are toss and zerg. Maybe that's because a lower % of top pros chose terran as their race outside of Korea? Even if that was true, terran was nerfed to death because of results in korea. Can't say the reverse was true with the foreign scene, since toss and zerg only got buffs mostly. @Storm 44. I think you're forgetting that the world best Terrans attended the latest MLG. To be quiet honest, there results were quiet woeful. I agree, there needs to be more Terrans on SOTG. But you know, the majority of the community is stupidly biased against Terran it's disgusting. I swear Terran is the most least played race right now.
Yep, it's least played in everywhere except Korea.
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I know we can't make any assessments now, because Terran's haven't had a chance to re-adapt to the metagame, but if they ever buff terran, it better not be bio...how about restoring the now impotent seige tank to its former glory?
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On November 28 2011 14:17 ZorBa.G wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 04:56 Canucklehead wrote:On November 28 2011 04:37 Choboo wrote:On November 28 2011 04:26 Canucklehead wrote:On November 28 2011 04:21 storm44 wrote:
people (terrans) cant possibly be this stupid thinking protoss is op after one tourney. the best terran players werent even at dreamhack and you guys are complaining about balance? QQ when terran is non existent in code s kthx. Well that's the thing. Terran only does well in one part of the world and that's korea and that's only because a higher % of top pros chose terran as their race in korea. Put together a list of the top foreigners and how many terrans are on it? The majority of top foreigners are toss and zerg. Maybe that's because a lower % of top pros chose terran as their race outside of Korea? Even if that was true, terran was nerfed to death because of results in korea. Can't say the reverse was true with the foreign scene, since toss and zerg only got buffs mostly. @Storm 44. I think you're forgetting that the world best Terrans attended the latest MLG. To be quiet honest, there results were quiet woeful.
I haven't read most of this thread/argument, but just saw this last phrase so maybe I'm out of context... but most of the top terrans at MLG were either eliminated by TvT or Leenock (idra>puma being the exception to that i believe)
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Next episode talk about how much of a joke Tim Tebow is and how the Bears chances are with Caleb Hanie to make the playoffs
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On November 28 2011 14:17 ZorBa.G wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 04:56 Canucklehead wrote:On November 28 2011 04:37 Choboo wrote:On November 28 2011 04:26 Canucklehead wrote:On November 28 2011 04:21 storm44 wrote:
people (terrans) cant possibly be this stupid thinking protoss is op after one tourney. the best terran players werent even at dreamhack and you guys are complaining about balance? QQ when terran is non existent in code s kthx. Well that's the thing. Terran only does well in one part of the world and that's korea and that's only because a higher % of top pros chose terran as their race in korea. Put together a list of the top foreigners and how many terrans are on it? The majority of top foreigners are toss and zerg. Maybe that's because a lower % of top pros chose terran as their race outside of Korea? Even if that was true, terran was nerfed to death because of results in korea. Can't say the reverse was true with the foreign scene, since toss and zerg only got buffs mostly. @Storm 44. I think you're forgetting that the world best Terrans attended the latest MLG. To be quiet honest, there results were quiet woeful. I agree, there needs to be more Terrans on SOTG. But you know, the majority of the community is stupidly biased against Terran it's disgusting. I swear Terran is the most least played race right now.
My Terran friend has pretty much stopped playing, and toyed with switching to protoss after watching the period of terran dominance. He doesn't listen to SOTG or the imba thread.
He just watched GSL a lot.
He lost the feeling of acheivement when he honestly felt that Terran was OP.
I'm hoping that he can return to SC2 with the current change of meta game.
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On November 28 2011 15:08 FortyOzs wrote:
Next episode talk about how much of a joke Tim Tebow is and how the Bears chances are with Caleb Hanie to make the playoffs
Then we'll have cries of too many packers or raiders fans, though it will replace the cries for terrans.
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On November 28 2011 01:04 Flonomenalz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 10:38 Saechiis wrote:Can't wait for the next State of the Game!  Featuring all the pillars and the usual production quality, I'm going to love hearing the explanations on how Protoss, despite their inherent weakness, is dominating at Dreamhack. No more seeding "bail-out" like last MLG when pretty much all the Korean Terrans got eliminated before the RO8. In fact, why not take the show into uncharted waters and invite a Terran guest? Preferably someone completely unreasonable, no offense to DeMuslim but he's simply not biased enough. PainUser was alright but he kinda didn't know when to take a stand or how to sell his arguments (Banshee over a DT!? HA! THIS GUY! *laugh incontrollably, increase volume according to degree of guy trying to interject.) Please, Terrans around the world NEED this As for some ammo: - Warp Prism, too hard to kill? - Sentry drops, too unforgiving? - Vortex/ Archon vs Broodlords, *swooosh!* ? - Immortal, winmortal? Would be great if every pillar/ guest were to bring up one aspect of their main race that might be(come) overpowered, so we can get a bit of perspective. What.... - Medivac, too hard to kill? - BFH drops, too unforgiving? - Marine, winrine? Just to illustrate how terrible your points for discussion are.
Actually all three of those Terran counterparts have been discussed extensively on SotG, so what was your point again?
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are they having a show tomorrow?
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On November 28 2011 14:59 0neder wrote:
I know we can't make any assessments now, because Terran's haven't had a chance to re-adapt to the metagame, but if they ever buff terran, it better not be bio...how about restoring the now impotent seige tank to its former glory?
Buffing the siege tank would break TvZ.
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On November 28 2011 15:23 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 15:08 FortyOzs wrote:
Next episode talk about how much of a joke Tim Tebow is and how the Bears chances are with Caleb Hanie to make the playoffs Then we'll have cries of too many packers or raiders fans, though it will replace the cries for terrans.
What, terrans have to win every tournament now? They can't be happy with merely making it to the finals or semifinals of the tournament and losing in a close series?
In a balanced game with 3 races, and only 2 spots in the finals, at least one race will be left out.
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Lets wait for a GSL with 4/32 Terrans (or whatever was the sick ratio in the last few GSL's ) before even starting to comment on Terran not needed future nerfs....
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On November 28 2011 04:42 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 01:09 DeadBull wrote:
Sotg 58 :
-Hero is sexy
-Hero is the best protoss
-Hero is so awesome
-Jeadong loses his first PL match It would actually be pretty cool if they could hype SPL a little, last time they talked about Jangbi's win was quite cool but it was after the finals were actually over. 
What would be REALLY cool is if they could get Sayle in as a special guest one week to hype broodwar .
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On November 28 2011 04:40 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 04:02 Raid wrote:
There really should be at least one Terran representative. The fact that it is so difficult to find high lvl English speaking US american Terrans is just ironic considering its suppose to be the OP race. that is the most crucial factor of being a "pillar" on sotg. granted, Artosis is a pleasant exception. but I think it is highly unlikely to convince an active player outside of US to put up with sleep deprivation once a week.
I think they could get PainUser or DeMuslim no problem
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On November 29 2011 03:36 CitrusFo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 04:40 rotegirte wrote:On November 28 2011 04:02 Raid wrote:
There really should be at least one Terran representative. The fact that it is so difficult to find high lvl English speaking US american Terrans is just ironic considering its suppose to be the OP race. that is the most crucial factor of being a "pillar" on sotg. granted, Artosis is a pleasant exception. but I think it is highly unlikely to convince an active player outside of US to put up with sleep deprivation once a week. I think they could get PainUser or DeMuslim no problem
Please not Painuser... Demuslim is great, maybe someone else a little bit more outspoken and witty would be great for the show...
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On November 29 2011 03:21 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 14:59 0neder wrote:
I know we can't make any assessments now, because Terran's haven't had a chance to re-adapt to the metagame, but if they ever buff terran, it better not be bio...how about restoring the now impotent seige tank to its former glory? Buffing the siege tank would break TvZ.
Not if you removed combat shield or smart firing tanks, or...etc. There are lots of ways to improve current TvX from a spectator's point of view.
I think we also forget that Blizzard's flawed maps have catalyzed lots of perceive balance issues that aren't there. Sure 60 dmg tanks were imba on the early 2010 maps that were nothing but chokes. What if some ladder maps actually had carrier micro zones or really open areas like tal-darim? Then, they'd be more viable. Then, buffed tanks become less of a problem. Etc...
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Wowowowow let's not get ahead of ourselfs, terran still has the highest winrate out of all 3 races, let's wait a bit till we call for a buff here.
I'd say they should just bring demuslim on again, he did a pretty good job, but given that he is in Uk right now which makes it kinda hard for him to get on, and that he has to prepare for up/down matches when he gets to korea in december, I'd say leave it as it is.
Terran whinning should stop when next gsl has still mostly terrans.
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On November 28 2011 04:16 SkimGuy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 04:11 Gamegene wrote:On November 28 2011 01:09 DeadBull wrote:
Sotg 58 :
-Hero is sexy
-Hero is the best protoss
-Hero is so awesome
-Jeadong loses his first PL match Obvious, and Jaedong had no training environment for months, give him a break >.> Pretty sure all teams took a break to rest, not just the teams that disbanded There's pictures of SKT taking a vacation to Thailand in one of those threads xd
They did, however the free agents and the Oz extras had another 2 months of down time. Plus acclimating to a new team and also a new practice schedule.
This is not surprising, though unfortunate.
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On November 29 2011 03:51 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 03:21 Whitewing wrote:On November 28 2011 14:59 0neder wrote:
I know we can't make any assessments now, because Terran's haven't had a chance to re-adapt to the metagame, but if they ever buff terran, it better not be bio...how about restoring the now impotent seige tank to its former glory? Buffing the siege tank would break TvZ. Not if you removed combat shield or smart firing tanks, or...etc. There are lots of ways to improve current TvX from a spectator's point of view. I think we also forget that Blizzard's flawed maps have catalyzed lots of perceive balance issues that aren't there. Sure 60 dmg tanks were imba on the early 2010 maps that were nothing but chokes. What if some ladder maps actually had carrier micro zones or really open areas like tal-darim? Then, they'd be more viable. Then, buffed tanks become less of a problem. Etc...
1) They will never remove smart fire tanks. Browder said he will never make a change that "dumbs" down the AI such as units clumping together to produce balls etc.
2) I think Combat shields are there for one reason, so that Marines (with stim) never die to 1 baneling hit with upgrades. The side effect is that those Terrans rushing for combat shields first are stupidly powerful (ie 1-1-1, early mass marines).
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terran is overnerfed (some were deserved), it require a lot more APM to be good at it.
the best korean terran come from reasonable BW background (MMA, MVP, Ganzi)
Foreigner terran aren't on the same level.
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