Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 1654

On October 06 2011 01:20 Cyrak wrote:
This show has really jumped the shark. Listening to the bits about ESPN really reinforced what a delusional bubble these guys are living in.

I don't play or like poker but asserting that poker only became popular because it was put on TV.. really? If that's the level of expert analysis on issues that are even slightly tangential to SC2 then it might be best to steer the conversation away from anything that doesn't directly relate to tournaments.

On October 06 2011 01:20 Cyrak wrote:
This show has really jumped the shark. Listening to the bits about ESPN really reinforced what a delusional bubble these guys are living in.

I don't play or like poker but asserting that poker only became popular because it was put on TV.. really? If that's the level of expert analysis on issues that are even slightly tangential to SC2 then it might be best to steer the conversation away from anything that doesn't directly relate to tournaments.

On October 06 2011 01:21 Risen wrote:


Poker EXPLODED after it was shown on TV. What planet are you living on? (I say this as someone who lived in Las Vegas almost their whole life)

On October 05 2011 23:56 anathematize wrote:

Why not just record it yourself for personal use if its that big of a deal?

No need to undercut JP and MLG. They deserve any and all revenue they can get from a show they have invested in.

On October 06 2011 01:35 Cyrak wrote:


This is why I hate posting on forums infested with teenagers and college dropouts. Can you not parse a sentence? This assertion implies that there weren't a myriad of factors equally important to TV that contributed to the "poker boom".

The confluence of its introduction into popular culture, the televised WPT and the introduction of online poker were all arguably equally important. That's just for poker. Let's compare it to starcraft now.

Despite how difficult it is to play well, poker is very easy to understand. The drama and tension surrounding poker are easy to quantify (you can see the cash on the table!). It's easy to understand which player is 'winning' and what they are playing for. It is simple yet dramatic and interesting for even casual observers due to the ease of understanding what is going on.

Starcraft is complicated, difficult to assess and understand even for people who have played it their entire lives and has no pop culture appeal because it's played by a bunch of nerdy kids.

Asserting that the only difference between SC2 blowing up and Poker is that one was put on TV is a hilarious oversimplification and displays a level of real-world analytical ability that I've come to expect from the simpletons of the SC2 community.

On October 06 2011 01:35 Cyrak wrote:


This is why I hate posting on forums infested with teenagers and college dropouts. Can you not parse a sentence? This assertion implies that there weren't a myriad of factors equally important to TV that contributed to the "poker boom".

The confluence of its introduction into popular culture, the televised WPT and the introduction of online poker were all arguably equally important. That's just for poker. Let's compare it to starcraft now.

Despite how difficult it is to play well, poker is very easy to understand. The drama and tension surrounding poker are easy to quantify (you can see the cash on the table!). It's easy to understand which player is 'winning' and what they are playing for. It is simple yet dramatic and interesting for even casual observers due to the ease of understanding what is going on.

Starcraft is complicated, difficult to assess and understand even for people who have played it their entire lives and has no pop culture appeal because it's played by a bunch of nerdy kids.

Asserting that the only difference between SC2 blowing up and Poker is that one was put on TV is a hilarious oversimplification and displays a level of real-world analytical ability that I've come to expect from the simpletons of the SC2 community.

On October 06 2011 01:35 Cyrak wrote:


This is why I hate posting on forums infested with teenagers and college dropouts. Can you not parse a sentence? This assertion implies that there weren't a myriad of factors equally important to TV that contributed to the "poker boom".

The confluence of its introduction into popular culture, the televised WPT and the introduction of online poker were all arguably equally important. That's just for poker. Let's compare it to starcraft now.

Despite how difficult it is to play well, poker is very easy to understand. The drama and tension surrounding poker are easy to quantify (you can see the cash on the table!). It's easy to understand which player is 'winning' and what they are playing for. It is simple yet dramatic and interesting for even casual observers due to the ease of understanding what is going on.

Starcraft is complicated, difficult to assess and understand even for people who have played it their entire lives and has no pop culture appeal because it's played by a bunch of nerdy kids.

Asserting that the only difference between SC2 blowing up and Poker is that one was put on TV is a hilarious oversimplification and displays a level of real-world analytical ability that I've come to expect from the simpletons of the SC2 community.

On October 06 2011 01:35 Cyrak wrote:


This is why I hate posting on forums infested with teenagers and college dropouts. Can you not parse a sentence? This assertion implies that there weren't a myriad of factors equally important to TV that contributed to the "poker boom".

The confluence of its introduction into popular culture, the televised WPT and the introduction of online poker were all arguably equally important. That's just for poker. Let's compare it to starcraft now.

Despite how difficult it is to play well, poker is very easy to understand. The drama and tension surrounding poker are easy to quantify (you can see the cash on the table!). It's easy to understand which player is 'winning' and what they are playing for. It is simple yet dramatic and interesting for even casual observers due to the ease of understanding what is going on.

Starcraft is complicated, difficult to assess and understand even for people who have played it their entire lives and has no pop culture appeal because it's played by a bunch of nerdy kids.

Asserting that the only difference between SC2 blowing up and Poker is that one was put on TV is a hilarious oversimplification and displays a level of real-world analytical ability that I've come to expect from the simpletons of the SC2 community.

On October 06 2011 01:44 Demonace34 wrote:
The only thing that could make it easier is to restream it on a good EU time, but restreaming a show just seems like a waste of time for MLG and JP.

On October 06 2011 01:54 reg0ner wrote:



I wish there was a restream. I can't ever catch the show since I have a job in the morning and I live in the east.
And now since they're practically owned by MLG we might have to wait a couple days..

JP. I was a fan before the whole webcam mumbojumbo. If its going to take all week for the VOD to come up, at least give us the audio.
I'm sure I'm not the only one.

On October 06 2011 01:52 Demonace34 wrote:


I've watched Starcraft II for almost a year now, and played it for around the same amount of time. It isn't complicated to start watching, gather minerals>build armies>battle>whoever kills the other guy wins.

You could say the same thing about MMA, it is complicated because of all the ins and outs of each move they are trying to pull off. Some people are more grappling fighters, other people are better on the ground, some people base their style on submissions while others are just pure strength.

Some people have to know the ins and outs of a game before they can appreciate watching it. Other people just like seeing home runs (baseball) or crashes (nascar). You obviously think that only hardcore players can get into watching and I think you are absolutely wrong.

Either way, calling everyone a dropout college student or a dumb teenager is generalizing and if you actually think that about the community you shouldn't be here.

On October 06 2011 01:52 Demonace34 wrote:


I've watched Starcraft II for almost a year now, and played it for around the same amount of time. It isn't complicated to start watching, gather minerals>build armies>battle>whoever kills the other guy wins.

You could say the same thing about MMA, it is complicated because of all the ins and outs of each move they are trying to pull off. Some people are more grappling fighters, other people are better on the ground, some people base their style on submissions while others are just pure strength.

Some people have to know the ins and outs of a game before they can appreciate watching it. Other people just like seeing home runs (baseball) or crashes (nascar). You obviously think that only hardcore players can get into watching and I think you are absolutely wrong.

Either way, calling everyone a dropout college student or a dumb teenager is generalizing and if you actually think that about the community you shouldn't be here.

On October 06 2011 01:54 reg0ner wrote:



I wish there was a restream. I can't ever catch the show since I have a job in the morning and I live in the east.
And now since they're practically owned by MLG we might have to wait a couple days..

JP. I was a fan before the whole webcam mumbojumbo. If its going to take all week for the VOD to come up, at least give us the audio.
I'm sure I'm not the only one.