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On June 29 2011 07:20 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 06:55 Jibba wrote:On June 29 2011 06:51 Zlasher wrote:On June 29 2011 06:39 Jibba wrote:On June 29 2011 06:35 Zlasher wrote:On June 29 2011 06:10 Jibba wrote:
Why hasn't EG bought all of their players second monitors for when they stream? This leaked Skype/chat shit is getting old. Has TL done that for all their players? Why are you asking me? I dunno I figured you had more esports in you. + Show Spoiler [but seriously] + it was a rhetorical question...its the same reason every team doesn't throw infinity hardware and gear at all their players. No one can be as much ESPORTS as you, Zlasher. Monitors are cheap, especially when you're sponsored by a bunch of computer hardware companies. Or just use the program R1CH made. This is like the 4th or 5th DRAMA thing to come from an accidental alt-tab by iNc. Seconded. Its clear this was a private conversation and there is a reason they call it private. If only someone could stop the random skype drama with the power of technology, we could focus on....well anything else really.
R1CH's program....
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or you can use your brain.
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On June 29 2011 07:12 Harrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 06:43 TheSubtleArt wrote:
I don't think we can consider 7 lines from a skype conversation definitive proof. Raises questions, sure, but this seems like an unnecesarily big shitstorm over such weak evidence. Haven't you ever played Phoenix Wright? You've got to bring up the only tiny shred of evidence you have and use it to stall for long enough until the witness slips up and gives you your big opening!
![[image loading]](http://cultofmac.cultofmaccom.netdna-cdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/phoenix-wright-objection.jpg)
Pretty irrelevant, I mean do you genuinely think EG or SirScoots is here conniving in his mind "Yes I know the PERFECT way to stop THAT MAN JP MCDANIEL. Yes, first I will tell my player that he should focus on his team priorities, yes its an absolutely genius plan!!!"
I can see it now, SirScoots wringing his hands together while sitting on his platinum throne with his cat Saffy sitting on the arm rest.
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when will people learn that being a dick openly has less of a backlash than stupid shit like this
->if<- it indeed is the reason why he's no longer "allowed" on sotg , tell the community straight up instead of ... this ^^
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On June 29 2011 03:11 djWHEAT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 03:08 Plansix wrote:On June 29 2011 02:57 Arishok wrote:
Why do people keep saying EG should focus more on the game and not shows?
It's fucking 4 hours a week. It's not detrimental to them in the slightest.
It's even possible for them to practice while on SOTG if they wanted to, just talk through skype and not have the webcam on -_- I think you greatly misunderstand the amount of effort it takes to be the best at this game(100%). Huk has stated he practices 10 hours or more a day. Thats what it takes to win DreamHack and HomeStory. Personally, I work that much in a day and it knocks me out. With my commute and the small necessity of shopping for food, cleaning and other parts of real life, I have a little free time. I feel safe is saying that the guys over at EG are busier that I am. I can see why they want to keep their life simple and keep their eye on the prize. But if you feel they can practice against the best players in the world while also being part of a podcast, more power to you. Your wrong, but that never stopped anyone. iNcontroL basically said exactly what you summed up last night during Kings of Tin. In fact, with the success of HuK I think it has been a major eye opener for everyone in that regards. I think his words were basically, "how many champions have you heard say they practice 3 hours a day?" Can't think of one.
Wheat, this logic is beyond folks like this, like the concept of jet-lag. Players like Incontrol and Idra make it look easy, so they assume it is. All some of them see if that something was taken away from them and, being greedy, they want everything.
It's not like these players have personal lives, families, girlfriends(these are time consuming) and other hobbies. And the concept of a manager, well, managing his players. That's way to much.
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Wheat, this logic is beyond folks like this, like the concept of jet-lag. Players like Incontrol and Idra make it look easy, so they assume it is. All some of them see if that something was taken away from them and, being greedy, they want everything.
It's not like these players have personal lives, families, girlfriends(these are time consuming) and other hobbies. And the concept of a manager, well, managing his players. That's way to much.
How do you not understand by now most people have no problem with him leaving SotG, they are upset about the deception involved. They openly denied that EG had anything to do with it, Incontrol said it was 100% his decision, clearly it was not. The intentional deception is what has people in an uproar, not "they took away our precious SotG".
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On June 29 2011 07:23 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:20 Plansix wrote:On June 29 2011 06:55 Jibba wrote:On June 29 2011 06:51 Zlasher wrote:On June 29 2011 06:39 Jibba wrote:On June 29 2011 06:35 Zlasher wrote:On June 29 2011 06:10 Jibba wrote:
Why hasn't EG bought all of their players second monitors for when they stream? This leaked Skype/chat shit is getting old. Has TL done that for all their players? Why are you asking me? I dunno I figured you had more esports in you. + Show Spoiler [but seriously] + it was a rhetorical question...its the same reason every team doesn't throw infinity hardware and gear at all their players. No one can be as much ESPORTS as you, Zlasher. Monitors are cheap, especially when you're sponsored by a bunch of computer hardware companies. Or just use the program R1CH made. This is like the 4th or 5th DRAMA thing to come from an accidental alt-tab by iNc. Seconded. Its clear this was a private conversation and there is a reason they call it private. If only someone could stop the random skype drama with the power of technology, we could focus on....well anything else really. R1CH's program....
to be fair R1CH is a wizard, his methods may seem too complex for some.
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djWHEAT 1 point 36 seconds ago
You wanted No-Fluff... I've asked Alex Garfield (EG's Executive Director) to come on Inside the Game tonight. It will be just Geoff and I (due to travel issues) so I thought it would be a perfect time to finally address this. I hope you'll join us.
I really hope it's not the half-patronising, half-mocking viewpoint that is so often presented in similar cases.
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On June 29 2011 07:24 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:12 Harrow wrote:On June 29 2011 06:43 TheSubtleArt wrote:
I don't think we can consider 7 lines from a skype conversation definitive proof. Raises questions, sure, but this seems like an unnecesarily big shitstorm over such weak evidence. Haven't you ever played Phoenix Wright? You've got to bring up the only tiny shred of evidence you have and use it to stall for long enough until the witness slips up and gives you your big opening! Pretty irrelevant, I mean do you genuinely think EG or SirScoots is here conniving in his mind "Yes I know the PERFECT way to stop THAT MAN JP MCDANIEL. Yes, first I will tell my player that he should focus on his team priorities, yes its an absolutely genius plan!!!" I can see it now, SirScoots wringing his hands together while sitting on his platinum throne with his cat Saffy sitting on the arm rest.
As much as I'd love to believe that, no, I was just making a joke inspired by this thread's RIGOROUS analysis of evidence integrity.
Though Scoots surely has a platinum throne. Otherwise what's the point?
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On June 29 2011 07:34 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +djWHEAT 1 point 36 seconds ago
You wanted No-Fluff... I've asked Alex Garfield (EG's Executive Director) to come on Inside the Game tonight. It will be just Geoff and I (due to travel issues) so I thought it would be a perfect time to finally address this. I hope you'll join us.
I really hope it's not the half-patronising, half-mocking viewpoint that is so often presented in similar cases.
Goddamnit! Alex Garfield was going to sing a song a then leave, guess we've already been found out.
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In 20 minutes we go live with Inside The Game. I will be bringing Alex Garfield (EG's Executive Director) on Inside The Game to discuss Geoff leaving SOTG. I hope that JP will forgive me from posting this in the Official SOTG thread, but I thought it was topical. I also feel like this has gone on too long, is hurting every party involved, and hopefully everyone will be satisfied with an explanation.
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On June 29 2011 07:31 Duravi wrote:Show nested quote +Wheat, this logic is beyond folks like this, like the concept of jet-lag. Players like Incontrol and Idra make it look easy, so they assume it is. All some of them see if that something was taken away from them and, being greedy, they want everything.
It's not like these players have personal lives, families, girlfriends(these are time consuming) and other hobbies. And the concept of a manager, well, managing his players. That's way to much. How do you not understand by now most people have no problem with him leaving SotG, they are upset about the deception involved. They openly denied that EG had anything to do with it, Incontrol said it was 100% his decision, clearly it was not. The intentional deception is what has people in an uproar, not "they took away our precious SotG".
I totally understand why people are upset. I think its unreasonable and silly, but I get it.
EG openly denied that they were not forcing him to quit the show so he could be in Inside the Game. They totally could have said, "You need to focus more, you have to many side projects." Or maybe there are other reasons that would hurt EG if they released the information(sponsor objecting to the show).
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On June 29 2011 07:42 djWHEAT wrote:
In 20 minutes we go live with Inside The Game. I will be bringing Alex Garfield (EG's Executive Director) on Inside The Game to discuss Geoff leaving SOTG. I hope that JP will forgive me from posting this in the Official SOTG thread, but I thought it was topical. I also feel like this has gone on too long, is hurting every party involved, and hopefully everyone will be satisfied with an explanation.
Thank you.
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Damn, listening to "Who Said We're Wack?" while reading the last few pages of drama was so perfect, tyvm Tyler :D
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On June 29 2011 07:42 djWHEAT wrote:
In 20 minutes we go live with Inside The Game. I will be bringing Alex Garfield (EG's Executive Director) on Inside The Game to discuss Geoff leaving SOTG. I hope that JP will forgive me from posting this in the Official SOTG thread, but I thought it was topical. I also feel like this has gone on too long, is hurting every party involved, and hopefully everyone will be satisfied with an explanation.
DjWheat, saving the world...one troll at a time.
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On June 29 2011 07:24 Zlasher wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 07:12 Harrow wrote:On June 29 2011 06:43 TheSubtleArt wrote:
I don't think we can consider 7 lines from a skype conversation definitive proof. Raises questions, sure, but this seems like an unnecesarily big shitstorm over such weak evidence. Haven't you ever played Phoenix Wright? You've got to bring up the only tiny shred of evidence you have and use it to stall for long enough until the witness slips up and gives you your big opening! Pretty irrelevant, I mean do you genuinely think EG or SirScoots is here conniving in his mind "Yes I know the PERFECT way to stop THAT MAN JP MCDANIEL. Yes, first I will tell my player that he should focus on his team priorities, yes its an absolutely genius plan!!!" I can see it now, SirScoots wringing his hands together while sitting on his platinum throne with his cat Saffy sitting on the arm rest.
You're naive if you think that this wasn't a business decision. And while they may not want JP to fail, they did pull their support from a program that benefited them when the time was right. I think that's what makes people uncomfortable.
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Why does this even matter? The only problem i have with this whole drama thing, is that someone actually takes screenshots of other people's convos....
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On June 29 2011 07:34 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +djWHEAT 1 point 36 seconds ago
You wanted No-Fluff... I've asked Alex Garfield (EG's Executive Director) to come on Inside the Game tonight. It will be just Geoff and I (due to travel issues) so I thought it would be a perfect time to finally address this. I hope you'll join us.
I really hope it's not the half-patronising, half-mocking viewpoint that is so often presented in similar cases.
Unfortunately, whether something is the truth or not at this point is irrelevant. It's just going to come across as damage control. Unless they came out and said "Yeah bitches we made Incontrol leave SOTG and laughed in your face while doing it," in which case I would be impressed by the sheer "don't give a fuckery" being exhibited.
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What about all the people who stopped watching ITG out of principle? Who will inform them!?
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On June 29 2011 07:49 NawNawNaw wrote:
What about all the people who stopped watching ITG out of principle? Who will inform them!?
This thread, probably
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