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TheTofuShop
Profile Joined April 2010
United States57 Posts
June 28 2011 23:59 GMT
#25641
Yeah guys, Geoff, a professional SC2 Player, needed to practice the game more so he could play better. Shocking, I know.
My life for Aiur
MacroNcheesE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States508 Posts
June 29 2011 00:00 GMT
#25642
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2011 08:39 Talin wrote:
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On June 29 2011 08:16 AdamFox wrote:
edit: I'm also not supporting their decision about lying. But anything that they do with their players is their choice not yours or anyone's. I don't see where the community's entitlement to approve or disapprove of a company's decision making comes from.


Really?

First of all, anybody is entitled to approve or disapprove of absolutely anything. It's called having an opinion (and expressing it).

Second of all, community approval is a guideline for what's good and bad for the company (especially for an essentially entertainment-oriented company). So community approval should very much affect the decisions a company makes.


Not in regards to what they want to do with their players, not at all. And no, you aren't entitled to approving or disapproving the actions of a company that you have no personal stake in.

It's their business, their players, they can do whatever they want with them if it's within the guidelines of the contract that the players signed.

I don't see how you feel entitled to have any sort of say in the decisions that they decide to do with their players.

Yeah community approval is obviously a guideline for what's good and bad for the company, no shit. But the community does not run the company and has no power at all in how the company makes the decisions they make. If the decisions they make are bad, obviously the community will let them know (look at what this thread has turned in to). However, their decision wasn't bad, they're a company and a business. They wanted their contracted players to be featured on shows that were in some way connected with EG and their sponsors. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. And, no they don't have to explain to you why they wanted to pull iNcontroL from SotG. Get over yourself.
Doubt is the venom that has paralyzed humanity.
cyprin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1105 Posts
June 29 2011 00:01 GMT
#25643
On June 29 2011 08:59 TheTofuShop wrote:
Yeah guys, Geoff, a professional SC2 Player, needed to practice the game more so he could play better. Shocking, I know.


read the thread, don't just spew random crap.
KgKris
Profile Joined April 2011
United States164 Posts
June 29 2011 00:05 GMT
#25644
Does anyone know when unparsable timestamp format is?
"The spider comes."
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
June 29 2011 00:06 GMT
#25645
On June 29 2011 08:59 TheTofuShop wrote:
Yeah guys, Geoff, a professional SC2 Player, needed to practice the game more so he could play better. Shocking, I know.


His first step towards that objective was leave the cast of state of the game and join the cast of inside the game. Makes perfect sense to me :D!
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
June 29 2011 00:09 GMT
#25646
On June 29 2011 09:06 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 08:59 TheTofuShop wrote:
Yeah guys, Geoff, a professional SC2 Player, needed to practice the game more so he could play better. Shocking, I know.


His first step towards that objective was leave the cast of state of the game and join the cast of inside the game. Makes perfect sense to me :D!


And you do know the difference between 1 and 2 shows?
Hrwa
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia147 Posts
June 29 2011 00:10 GMT
#25647
On June 29 2011 09:05 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know when unparsable timestamp format is?


TBD (To be determined)
"That trophy is worth a million times more than the money" - NaNiwa after winning MLG Dallas
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 00:12:27
June 29 2011 00:12 GMT
#25648
On June 29 2011 09:09 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 09:06 Rayansaki wrote:
On June 29 2011 08:59 TheTofuShop wrote:
Yeah guys, Geoff, a professional SC2 Player, needed to practice the game more so he could play better. Shocking, I know.


His first step towards that objective was leave the cast of state of the game and join the cast of inside the game. Makes perfect sense to me :D!


And you do know the difference between 1 and 2 shows?


He was only on both for 2 weeks and we discovered he was leaving SotG in the show imediatly after the premiere of ITG?

He left one to join the other, that doesn't save him any time at all.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: IMNestea (Death), IMLosirA (Famine), IMmvp (War), IMFenix (Conquest)
CrossTheRiver
Profile Joined June 2011
26 Posts
June 29 2011 00:12 GMT
#25649
I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed tyler. It's easy to demonize the folks at EG or criticize them for their various mistakes, but as far as I am aware (and I admit I am not omnipotent so I am not aware of everything) I don't see scoots on this forum bashing the very people that helped make him successful.

On several occasions tyler you have insinuated that various people are immature, childish, stupid, and yet as far as I can see they have done nothing to you. They disagreed with your line of thinking on something and since then you've been in attack mode. You really have zero respect for the community of board goers here. Maybe you have good reason for that, but if that were the case I would think you would want to stay away altogether rather than allow yourself to be antagonized; or at least avoid threads where you believe the "average" (Read: dumb) TL users might be congregating.

The reason I bring this up of course is because the tyler we all have seen on SOTG is a caring and thoughtful individual who considers his words, the tyler we are seeing on this forum is spiteful and haughty. I just don't understand that. It's fairly disheartening to come to this community (being fairly new) and see one of the reasons I even know about team liquid in the first place act this way.

Bloomfielda
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada43 Posts
June 29 2011 00:12 GMT
#25650
On June 29 2011 09:09 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 09:06 Rayansaki wrote:
On June 29 2011 08:59 TheTofuShop wrote:
Yeah guys, Geoff, a professional SC2 Player, needed to practice the game more so he could play better. Shocking, I know.


His first step towards that objective was leave the cast of state of the game and join the cast of inside the game. Makes perfect sense to me :D!


And you do know the difference between 1 and 2 shows?


Especially the difference between ITG, which is >2hours, and SoTG which can sometimes go 3-4 hours.

The guys sponsors pays his bills, if your work came to you and said that you couldn't do something which was conflicting with your job, guess what, you would drop it too. If you say that you wouldn't it's cause you have never had a real job.
Liquid | oGs.MC.TheStC | Sangho | Sase
Nidoa
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada239 Posts
June 29 2011 00:14 GMT
#25651
On June 29 2011 09:10 Hrwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 09:05 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know when unparsable timestamp format is?


TBD (To be determined)


JP did mention that there was gonna be news on that soon though, so that's lookin promising at least.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
June 29 2011 00:15 GMT
#25652
The guys sponsors pays his bills, if your work came to you and said that you couldn't do something which was conflicting with your job, guess what, you would drop it too. If you say that you wouldn't it's cause you have never had a real job.


again... it's not WHY geoff left SotG but HOW it happened.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
June 29 2011 00:20 GMT
#25653
--- Nuked ---
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
June 29 2011 00:27 GMT
#25654
On June 29 2011 09:20 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 09:15 nvs. wrote:
The guys sponsors pays his bills, if your work came to you and said that you couldn't do something which was conflicting with your job, guess what, you would drop it too. If you say that you wouldn't it's cause you have never had a real job.


again... it's not WHY geoff left SotG but HOW it happened.

Pretty much. This is what people dont get it seems.


Oh I do get it. And don't give a damn. As it stands, I'm under the assumption that both reasons stated and implicated are neither mutually exclusive nor proven untrue.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
June 29 2011 00:28 GMT
#25655
On June 29 2011 09:00 AdamFox wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 29 2011 08:39 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 08:16 AdamFox wrote:
edit: I'm also not supporting their decision about lying. But anything that they do with their players is their choice not yours or anyone's. I don't see where the community's entitlement to approve or disapprove of a company's decision making comes from.


Really?

First of all, anybody is entitled to approve or disapprove of absolutely anything. It's called having an opinion (and expressing it).

Second of all, community approval is a guideline for what's good and bad for the company (especially for an essentially entertainment-oriented company). So community approval should very much affect the decisions a company makes.


Not in regards to what they want to do with their players, not at all. And no, you aren't entitled to approving or disapproving the actions of a company that you have no personal stake in.

It's their business, their players, they can do whatever they want with them if it's within the guidelines of the contract that the players signed.

I don't see how you feel entitled to have any sort of say in the decisions that they decide to do with their players.

Yeah community approval is obviously a guideline for what's good and bad for the company, no shit. But the community does not run the company and has no power at all in how the company makes the decisions they make. If the decisions they make are bad, obviously the community will let them know (look at what this thread has turned in to). However, their decision wasn't bad, they're a company and a business. They wanted their contracted players to be featured on shows that were in some way connected with EG and their sponsors. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. And, no they don't have to explain to you why they wanted to pull iNcontroL from SotG. Get over yourself.

Did you just tell him that he cannot have an emotional judgment on some situation ? I am entitled to disapprove anything I want and not much anyone can do about it. You are mixing my disapproval and me having any say in the decisions of some company.

As for the whole crazy thing. It was pretty clear that Incontrol was not entirely honest about the reasons from the beginning. The time coincidence was pretty funny with him starting to appear on ITG. Since his discussion with Tyler about EGMC and the whole "full picture in posting information thing" it was clear that he was on a debate team for a reason. People on debate teams are not good at discussing things, they are good at overwhelming the other side of an argument by rhetorical tricks and rhetorical bullying.

But anyway this whining about EG being shady is pointless. People who dislike EG/Scoots/... for the situation have basically one way to show it and that is to vote with their eyes and not watch things on OneMoreGame and other EG related sites. Or you can just watch whatever you want. I find that apart D9D and SOTG I do not really like other shows, so I hope Incontrol's departure will not have too detrimental effect on the show, all will probably depend on suitable replacement that could mesh so well with the rest of the crew.
MacroNcheesE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States508 Posts
June 29 2011 00:39 GMT
#25656
Yep, I said that he can have no emotional judgement on a situation. I definitely was not saying that he should not think that his emotional judgement should carry any weight in the decision making of said company.
Doubt is the venom that has paralyzed humanity.
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
June 29 2011 00:41 GMT
#25657
Yep, it's about sponsorships and money..... le sigh.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
June 29 2011 00:42 GMT
#25658
blah blah blah iNcontroL gets more money for appearing on Inside the Game.
qqK
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany282 Posts
June 29 2011 00:43 GMT
#25659
Thank you, Alex Garfield.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
June 29 2011 00:44 GMT
#25660
Alex's story is so sensible, if it's true. I really don't see why EG didn't come out with this off the bat, and it all had to be conspiracies and inferred... However it's still going to be controversial given how fucking insane this whole deal has become rofl.
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