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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 15:30:24
June 03 2011 15:27 GMT
#24781
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Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
June 03 2011 15:31 GMT
#24782
On June 04 2011 00:27 zeru wrote:
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On June 04 2011 00:24 Pekkz wrote:
On June 03 2011 18:08 zeru wrote:
On June 03 2011 18:02 flodeskum wrote:
On June 02 2011 17:19 Maliris wrote:
On June 02 2011 17:14 freetgy wrote:
On June 02 2011 17:05 Maliris wrote:
incontrol is definitely not on the same level as demuslim and idra, make all the excuses you want for him


mlg says otherwise, but i guess that due to imbalance

top4 mlg after cheesing everyone is the same as top8 in the GSL? Interesting

Oh fuck off, I saw most of his matches at mlg. The one series people refer to is vs TLO but those games weren't cheesy at all. TLO should have scouted the damn pylon in his base and then he did a risky build on ST IIRC and lost to a strong push.

Inc did really well at MLG and is clearly a very good player. Every single pro would agree that he is near the top in NA. This doesn't change when he says some stupid shit.

Indeed. Incontrol might not be superamazing omg wtf godly, but he 100% deserved his placing at MLG for how well he played at the event. People who are trying to take that away from him are pretty silly.


He was deserving for how the format of the tournament is. Did he get a seed because someone withdraw? Did he have some luck with his opponents? Did others have a much harder time reaching the top 10? Did he get completely outplayed in his last couple of matches?

Yes he was deserving for how the format is, but he sure as hell had everything going for him in Dallas.

You just sound like a jealous 14 year old kid at this point. You should do something about that, it's getting extremely old. He placed 4th because he played well.


You sound like you have incontrols private parts in your mouth.

User was temp banned for this post.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
June 03 2011 15:33 GMT
#24783
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Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
June 03 2011 15:34 GMT
#24784
On June 04 2011 00:33 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 00:31 Pekkz wrote:
On June 04 2011 00:27 zeru wrote:
On June 04 2011 00:24 Pekkz wrote:
On June 03 2011 18:08 zeru wrote:
On June 03 2011 18:02 flodeskum wrote:
On June 02 2011 17:19 Maliris wrote:
On June 02 2011 17:14 freetgy wrote:
On June 02 2011 17:05 Maliris wrote:
incontrol is definitely not on the same level as demuslim and idra, make all the excuses you want for him


mlg says otherwise, but i guess that due to imbalance

top4 mlg after cheesing everyone is the same as top8 in the GSL? Interesting

Oh fuck off, I saw most of his matches at mlg. The one series people refer to is vs TLO but those games weren't cheesy at all. TLO should have scouted the damn pylon in his base and then he did a risky build on ST IIRC and lost to a strong push.

Inc did really well at MLG and is clearly a very good player. Every single pro would agree that he is near the top in NA. This doesn't change when he says some stupid shit.

Indeed. Incontrol might not be superamazing omg wtf godly, but he 100% deserved his placing at MLG for how well he played at the event. People who are trying to take that away from him are pretty silly.


He was deserving for how the format of the tournament is. Did he get a seed because someone withdraw? Did he have some luck with his opponents? Did others have a much harder time reaching the top 10? Did he get completely outplayed in his last couple of matches?

Yes he was deserving for how the format is, but he sure as hell had everything going for him in Dallas.

You just sound like a jealous 14 year old kid at this point. You should do something about that, it's getting extremely old. He placed 4th because he played well.


You sound like you have incontrols private parts in your mouth.

Way to prove my point.


When you dont argue with facts, why should I?
Knightlax
Profile Joined July 2010
United States150 Posts
June 03 2011 15:36 GMT
#24785
@ all the iNcontrol comments,

I wasn't impressed with his play at some of the earlier events, but if any of you have seen his play recently (NASL), he's got some serious meta game going on. I don't think the criticism is warranted, his game has improved immensely and I expect him to place well at MLG.
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 15:40:24
June 03 2011 15:38 GMT
#24786
Wow it's 8th grade all over again, well done guys.


Bye to incontrol, did a great job, he will be missed :D But,

Why wont people stop blowing things out of proportion?
Why wont incontrol stop responding to haters and not fans?

Questions that will never be answered

I agree with Destiny on the language part. Starcraft is Starcraft. Not football, Basketball or some other mainstream sport. Dont change what starcraft is and always used to be. People will ALWAYS be offended, you cant please everyone.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
June 03 2011 15:43 GMT
#24787
On June 04 2011 00:07 iNcontroL wrote:
I did vr pressure game 1 and killed his all-in fast tank and marine in the middle of the map. Game 2 I 4 gated in his base. Every series after that including another match with tlo I did 0 cheese


You shouldn't have to defend yourself TLO didnt scout his base and you took a risk and it payed off, it was a great play, not too mention exciting too watch

GL this weekend sir!
The Void
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany428 Posts
June 03 2011 15:44 GMT
#24788
On June 04 2011 00:22 Rabiator wrote:
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On June 03 2011 15:56 SSLPrism wrote:
On June 03 2011 15:50 Rabiator wrote:
On June 03 2011 15:39 SSLPrism wrote:
I thought the appropriate language talk was very hypocritical from some of the people involved, not just when they defended that certain words were ok while others werent, the fact that they've used the same terminology before.

For example, I was going to an old clan war thread to look for some information, and found this post on this page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=164034&currentpage=4

"Motbob you are retarded lol

Criticizing someone's play IS 100% exactly what I JUST THIS THREAD said was fine. It was as fucking constructive as it gets. If I said "LOLOLOL SELECT SUCKS" I would be doing what that comment says.

jesus fucking christ I shouldn't reply to this trash but I can't help it."


Maybe I'm just alone in thinking part of this episode was very ironic/hypocritical.

I think that some people went too far in the past (just look at some of Day9's early casts) and slowly realize that using such childish immature swearing language actually doesnt make you a grown up adult. Trying to change your habits does take time, so only the future will tell if iNcontrol stops swearing (not even using it for those aggressive jokes he loves) and wasnt hypocritical or if he doesnt do it and was hypocritical. Personally I hope for the first.

There are just some people who have realized the importance of language, while others dont care or want to be the 13 year old rebels who use "forbidden words" to make themselves sound more grown up. Well here is a hint: you dont sound more grown up, you just sound dumber than you might be.

Just try it yourself ... dont use "shit" and "fuck" at all for a week and see how easy it is. It isnt if you were used to using those words reguarly, so it isnt a "flip the switch" thing.


To respond to your last statement/question/proposition, I don't feel the need to change my vocabulary, I'm confident in saying shit, fuck, I'm also completely fine with others using "Rape" "Retard", because I just ignore it/block it out.

Basically I'm confident in my vocabulary, you don't need random "intellectual words" and not curse to be a smart person, just be confident in the language you use. Theres absolutely no need to change your vocabulary to a 'false' vocabulary if that is not who you are, doing so would result in you being someone you truly aren't.


Streamers / casters are responsibile for what they say and thats the issue here. People will claim "freedom of expression" and "not wanting to use false words", but they are still responsible. You know why TV presenters dont say certain words and why they are BEEPed when they are said anyways. Its because your culture has its standards set in a certain way. Just because the internet is a "lawless" and "worldwide" open space doesnt mean you should sink to the lowest standard and be a shittalking idiot who makes nigger jokes (or whatever insulting stuff you can imagine) just to get famous for doing so. That will probably only work for a short time anyways, because once certain organizations catch wind of it they will raise hell to stop it ...

we both live in germany, i consider...
in germany you are allowed to use (almost) every expressions you want - and thats fine.
fuck, shit, rape would never been "beeped out".

On June 04 2011 00:22 Rabiator wrote:There is also the second level of the responsibility towards the viewers. Just like rappers or other street artist behaviours have influenced youth the commentaries of streamers / casters will shape the language of their fans. Saying "they dont have to talk like I do" is stupid, because it isnt a conscious decision. Thats what these people have to realize ... and it is exactly where their responsibility lies.


i dont want fans who think that there are "bad" words. they probably should stay in their church and get raped by their authorities, as they are raping them over and over hundrets of years with their double moral standards, but anyways...

if certain authorities "raise hell to stop it" enventually you did something right.
to be critical and to ask your fans to be criticical thinking about what they hear is a good thing, i think.
it is hard to be an atheist and deal with day9 (╯°□°)╯︵┻━┻ also i stole this too ♞...o_O..oh..and his buddies ♚♛♜♝♟http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295038 don't trust the suits...
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:00:57
June 03 2011 15:44 GMT
#24789
On June 04 2011 00:07 iNcontroL wrote:
I did vr pressure game 1 and killed his all-in fast tank and marine in the middle of the map. Game 2 I 4 gated in his base. Every series after that including another match with tlo I did 0 cheese


Nothing wrong with winning however you can, but where do you get off saying the expanding player went all in against your probe cutting VR bust.
Dystisis
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway713 Posts
June 03 2011 15:47 GMT
#24790
Why the heck do people care so much about how a player played during some matches during a tournament that happened weeks ago?
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 15:50:02
June 03 2011 15:49 GMT
#24791
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flanksteak
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada246 Posts
June 03 2011 15:52 GMT
#24792
In principle we shouldn't change anything about the type of lingo used when broadcasting games; people are used to that language and it's just part of the culture - but really guys, what words are we talking about here: "rape"? Do you really care if we have to drop it, it's like the kind of word you thought was cool when you first discovered swearing.

I honestly can't think of any other words in gaming culture that people NOT of that culture would find offensive. Noob? Boom headshot? This sort of stuff can stay and should stay. If the only term you're giving up is "rape" and this makes the culture more palatable to a much larger audience then why not.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
June 03 2011 15:57 GMT
#24793
On June 04 2011 00:44 kedinik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 00:07 iNcontroL wrote:
I did vr pressure game 1 and killed his all-in fast tank and marine in the middle of the map. Game 2 I 4 gated in his base. Every series after that including another match with tlo I did 0 cheese


Nothing wrong with winning however you can, but where do you get off trying to say the expanding player went all in against your probe cutting VR bust.

He doesn't.

TLO's tank marine tac isn't all in either, he did it vs MaNa and other protosses before MLG too. Its a timing attack...
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:17:38
June 03 2011 16:16 GMT
#24794
TLO expanded at the 5 minute mark while Geoff cut probes for an all-in bust.

I'm wondering why Geoff felt the need to come in here and throw TLO under the bus with a lie.

Not a big deal, just bothered me that a lot of people accepted this weird lie and said, "Thanks for clearing that up, I guess TLO cheesed too!"
Tuxedo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States134 Posts
June 03 2011 16:23 GMT
#24795
I know nobody will ever read this comment, but I am just paying my respects to incontrol! Great job you are the one that got me into State of the game. I hope you continue to do well and I wish you luck at MLG.

Dat Ax! I bleed Infinity Seven Black
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:28:44
June 03 2011 16:28 GMT
#24796
Indeed, pretty sad that incontrol decides to slander TLO like that (who BTW is 10 times more skilled and popular than incontrol). he should show some more respect, but then again what else is new with incontrol?
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 03 2011 16:35 GMT
#24797
On June 04 2011 01:28 Maliris wrote:
Indeed, pretty sad that incontrol decides to slander TLO like that (who BTW is 10 times more skilled and popular than incontrol). he should show some more respect, but then again what else is new with incontrol?


Its people like you that have ruined this discussion. Stop being a dick just to prove a point, there is no way of substantially saying TLO is better than Inc. Do I believe Inc played a little cheesy, yes, but do I believe he did what it took to win, also yes. I just don't believe Inc's 4th place was as big of an acommplishment as he has made it out to be when comparing himself to Moonan and TLO.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
kedinik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States352 Posts
June 03 2011 16:36 GMT
#24798
Geoff's an entertaining guy and a good player.

All I'm saying is that it's weird he felt the need to lie about something so trivial.

Not a big deal one way or another. Just weird.
BlueLanterna
Profile Joined April 2011
291 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:48:22
June 03 2011 16:47 GMT
#24799
Hey guys let's all shout rape and nigger if it makes us who we are then that should totally be ok! Fuck the feelings of anyone who has been negatively affected by either one of those terms (Destiny has no idea what it feels like to be cautious as a woman at night for fear of sexual assault, and no conception of the inferiority placed on a person when referred to as "nigger")!

I'm glad his thought process was so developed on the matter that he decided to represent himself as a person who would be compromised if he couldn't shout his precious racial slur. Being in a relationship with someone for a number of years who has been raped, I think Destiny is an absolutely disgusting person to try to justify his use of words like those mentioned above with that line of reasoning. Probably the result of living in bumfuck Nebraska or wherever in the Midwest, I'm sure all he sees are white faces like his.
UbiNax
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark381 Posts
June 03 2011 16:53 GMT
#24800
Damn it's a shame Geoff is leaving the show, he brought so much fun to the episodes!

Take care and good luck with whatever your doing in the future!

UbiNax-
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