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On October 19 2010 10:12 Wargizmo wrote:
Man I would love to see that showmatch between the Halo guy and Idra... I mean I'm sure he was joking but still, either way it would be hilarious to see Idra stomp some trash talking noob or even funnier if the guy found some cheese and managed to win a game.
TL Attack! ??? Make it happen! Haha. That would be pretty awesome. Then again IdrA is probably too busy to do a TL Attack to entertain us low lifes :p maybe if Halo guy played Terran he would do it. (He plays protoss and proxy void ray rushes haha.)
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Keep up the good work Geoff, and keep coaching! I really wanna give you some money when I can afford to. GL in tournament play and continue to ignore the scrubs that Artosis so kindly pointed out "should pull the sticks out of their asses".
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If you're going to criticize a guy for using the same build in all match ups and then fail to mention that the race he uses was nerfed less than 24 hours prior to the start of the tournament, you have as much credibility as a bronze leaguer bitching about balance.
ALL BBS builds were taken away from him and he was the only Terran that was able to adapt in less than a day to take second. If that's not THE definition of adaptability, I don't know what is.
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On October 19 2010 10:27 gozima wrote:
If you're going to criticize a guy for using the same build in all match ups and then fail to mention that the race he uses was nerfed less than 24 hours prior to the start of the tournament, you have as much credibility as a bronze leaguer bitching about balance.
ALL BBS builds were taken away from him and he was the only Terran that was able to adapt in less than a day to take second. If that's not THE definition of adaptability, I don't know what is.
so SELECT supplements his MMM strategy with drop tactic play by occasionally proxy raxxing.
Nice, KAWAIIRICE vs incontrol was the best TVP IN THE ENTIRE EVENT and its miles ahead of selects games.
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I want artosis on every single cast please. (:
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Ok, so it's been stated for a few casts now that the North American invitees to Blizzcon were known, but not allowed to be revealed. It's also been stated (justly imho) that not publishing the criteria to receive an invite was a terrible way for Blizzard to handle it for the North American region. Now we know that Idra was passed over while Select got picked. Can't help but wonder if the bad feelings about Blizzcon led to some of the "putting down" of Select in recent casts, since it may have seemed that Select got an invite he hadn't earned, not having had to play a tourney to qualify like they do in other regions.
Since everyone in this thread is apparently super on edge, I'll say that I'm not trying to stir anything up, and it would be understandable to me if this theory turned out to be true.
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On October 19 2010 10:32 Madkipz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2010 10:27 gozima wrote:
If you're going to criticize a guy for using the same build in all match ups and then fail to mention that the race he uses was nerfed less than 24 hours prior to the start of the tournament, you have as much credibility as a bronze leaguer bitching about balance.
ALL BBS builds were taken away from him and he was the only Terran that was able to adapt in less than a day to take second. If that's not THE definition of adaptability, I don't know what is. so SELECT supplements his MMM strategy with drop tactic play by occasionally proxy raxxing. Nice, NO WONDER KIWIKAKI vs incontrol was the best TVP IN THE ENTIRE EVENT.
?? Last line confuses me. Kiwi and Inc are both Protoss players who signed up as so for MLG DC, which I assume is the event in question. They couldn't have possibly played a legitimate TvP in that tournament.
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On October 19 2010 11:45 EchOne wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2010 10:32 Madkipz wrote:On October 19 2010 10:27 gozima wrote:
If you're going to criticize a guy for using the same build in all match ups and then fail to mention that the race he uses was nerfed less than 24 hours prior to the start of the tournament, you have as much credibility as a bronze leaguer bitching about balance.
ALL BBS builds were taken away from him and he was the only Terran that was able to adapt in less than a day to take second. If that's not THE definition of adaptability, I don't know what is. so SELECT supplements his MMM strategy with drop tactic play by occasionally proxy raxxing. Nice, KAWAIIRICE vs incontrol was the best TVP IN THE ENTIRE EVENT. ?? Last line confuses me. Kiwi and Inc are both Protoss players who signed up as so for MLG DC, which I assume is the event in question. They couldn't have possibly played a legitimate TvP in that tournament.
true, i wrote the wrong name >,<
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Incontrol is great, almost all people that interview and have guests either pussyfoot around anything awkward or are trying to promote and agenda and lead the answers. Geoff just says what most people think of asking and does it in a funny way that has a great flow with the program.
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On October 19 2010 10:27 gozima wrote:
If you're going to criticize a guy for using the same build in all match ups and then fail to mention that the race he uses was nerfed less than 24 hours prior to the start of the tournament, you have as much credibility as a bronze leaguer bitching about balance.
ALL BBS builds were taken away from him and he was the only Terran that was able to adapt in less than a day to take second. If that's not THE definition of adaptability, I don't know what is.
how is using an already very popular and laid out build adaptable? i'd say that's the opposite of adaptable since when faced with the opportunity to be innovative and forced out of certain build orders with the patch he reverts to a safe build order he knows very well and only sticks to that (nothing against doing that since you should generally use practiced build orders in tournies, but it just isn't adaptation)
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Sooo, speaking of what a badass incontrol is, is there going to be SotG tonight? I heard JP say in one of the minicasts that they'd do one if Blizzcon invites came out, which they have (and they are pretty discussionworthy)... :-)
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On October 19 2010 07:32 learning wrote:
BTW: You should try and get a TERRAN player on the cast who ISN'T afraid to speak up and join in on some debate with the King Protoss that are Tyler and inControl.
I'd like to see Morrow in there.
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On October 19 2010 11:38 numberThirtyOne wrote:
Ok, so it's been stated for a few casts now that the North American invitees to Blizzcon were known, but not allowed to be revealed. It's also been stated (justly imho) that not publishing the criteria to receive an invite was a terrible way for Blizzard to handle it for the North American region. Now we know that Idra was passed over while Select got picked. Can't help but wonder if the bad feelings about Blizzcon led to some of the "putting down" of Select in recent casts, since it may have seemed that Select got an invite he hadn't earned, not having had to play a tourney to qualify like they do in other regions.
Since everyone in this thread is apparently super on edge, I'll say that I'm not trying to stir anything up, and it would be understandable to me if this theory turned out to be true.
Shouldn't be huk the one who got an invite he hadn't earned?
If u really want idra to go then he should take huk's spot. As of now i think seleCT is better player then huk.
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We won't be doing a podcast tonight (Monday) but we will do one on Tuesday night. Sorry, too exhausted from the event and traveled cross country today.
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thanks for the heads up, I'll be staying up to watch GSL anyways so no difference =P
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On October 19 2010 12:43 itmeJP wrote:
We won't be doing a podcast tonight (Monday) but we will do one on Tuesday night. Sorry, too exhausted from the event and traveled cross country today.
I have a hunch that it's less of that and more of how TLO is playing tonight.
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On October 19 2010 12:34 TehRaZer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2010 07:32 learning wrote:
BTW: You should try and get a TERRAN player on the cast who ISN'T afraid to speak up and join in on some debate with the King Protoss that are Tyler and inControl.
I'd like to see Morrow in there.
iNcontroL will eat MorroW alive. I mean that in every possible way you could think off.
The thing is that MLG did not allow the players to look at the replays after their games, so the players from the looks of it did not really realize that SelecT was playing the same build. iNcontroL and Idra both realized it during SelecT's games against KiWiKaKi followed by HuK on the big screen, that he was doing the exact same build over and over again, which is why Idra also crushed him because he knew exactly what he was going to do.
Unlike QXC who mixed things up, SelecT didn't which is why QXC was a much tougher fight for Idra than SelecT was. Maybe if he iNcontroL had said that it might not have sound as bad as you guys make it seem. And that's why iNcontroL says that SelecT will have to mix things up in the future because you come across someone like Idra who knows you'll be playing the same build every game, he's going to get crushed. But a job well done nonetheless for second place.
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On October 19 2010 12:53 GenoZStriker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2010 12:34 TehRaZer wrote:On October 19 2010 07:32 learning wrote:
BTW: You should try and get a TERRAN player on the cast who ISN'T afraid to speak up and join in on some debate with the King Protoss that are Tyler and inControl.
I'd like to see Morrow in there. iNcontroL will eat MorroW alive. I mean that in every possible way you could think off. The thing is that MLG did not allow the players to look at the replays after their games, so the players from the looks of it did not really realize that SelecT was playing the same build. iNcontroL and Idra both realized it during SelecT's games against KiWiKaKi followed by HuK on the big screen, that he was doing the exact same build over and over again, which is why Idra also crushed him because he knew exactly what he was going to do. Unlike QXC who mixed things up, SelecT didn't which is why QXC was a much tougher fight for Idra than SelecT was. Maybe if he iNcontroL had said that it might not have sound as bad as you guys make it seem. And that's why iNcontroL says that SelecT will have to mix things up in the future because you come across someone like Idra who knows you'll be playing the same build every game, he's going to get crushed. But a job well done nonetheless for second place.
i don't know... i mean i'll definitely give you that idra probably figured him out before he played, but i doubt the result would've been insanely different even if idra went into that clueless. in the last few months, because i've been studying any replays of him that get released, he seems impervious to the typical terran styles, namely 1-1-1 involing hellion > banshee as well as 3-rax drops, to the point where he's getting a tech building up to counter something he hasn't visually verified yet but he can read your build multiple supply ahead. it may have been more of a fight if select switched things up but many of his games seem pretty dominant vs T, especially so vs select if he really had no good understanding of TvZ.
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I'd rather pick on the all the toss players whom he played in a row. They had litterally dosens of games to figure out his playstyle and counter it, but weren't able to do so.
You can say that the guy who runs the same crisp build seven rounds in a row has a problem to adapt, but what about the players he does it against? None of those games were even really that close, SeleCT was ripping it up before he met IdrA in the finals.
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