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EDIT: Actual Blizzard blue post
Certain screens make your hardware work pretty hard
Screens that are light on detail may make your system overheat if cooling is overall insufficient. This is because the game has nothing to do so it is primarily just working on drawing the screen very quickly. A temporary workaround is to go to your Documents\StarCraft II Beta\variables.txt file and add these lines:
frameratecapglue=30
frameratecap=60
You may replace these numbers if you want to.
EDIT: Actual Blizzard blue post
'Anyone else have StarCraft II try to melt their hardware? Blizzard admits that it's a known issue and has a fix for you.
Apparently, the game's menu screens aren't framerate-limited. This means that when there's nothing else going on, your graphics hardware renders the bejeezus out of those screens, causing nasty overheating problems. The fix is easy, requiring players to add the following lines to your "Documents\StarCraft II Beta\variables.txt" "Documents\StarCraft II\variables.txt" file (nice catch, commenter LegolElf):
frameratecapglue=30
frameratecap=60
Good to know. Personally I would have appreciated a heads-up before my video card fried, but maybe this can save someone else from the hassle I've been dealing with since yesterday afternoon.
http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/07/28/blizzard-confirms-starcraft-ii-overheating-bug.aspx
i have noticed in campaign my FPS jumping to 900 during load screens. Glad there's a fix for this.
EDIT: in the actual article they cross out the beta portion of the file path. This appears to have been an issue before official release as well.
EDIT: Official blue post: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13501356
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My frame rate is capping out at 60.
Note: I have not done this command or any sort of command
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why is the release version file in the beta folder?
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Nvidia and ATI secret deal with the demons of Activison? :p
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On July 30 2010 11:00 btlyger wrote:
My frame rate is capping out at 60.
Note: I have not done this command or any sort of command
You're likely using vsync.
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Hmn.. my PC crashed like 5 Times druing SC2 (mostly campaign scenes).
I hope there hasn't been any irreparable damage °-.-
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Thanks for the heads up.
Also this is why i couldnt do anything on my PC when or after running SC2.
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in the actual press release they crossed out the beta path file.
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Oh Thank god, my computer has been dying these past weeks, i thought it was due to my cheap hsm.
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Thanks. Glad I didn't leave it on the menu long.
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Thanks for the heads up. My comp hasn't had any problems yet. Hopefully that will continue.
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anything about this bug on Macs and/or a fix for it if it exists?
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how do i add those lines,sorry i am a comp noob.
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Oh god, I was wondering why my laptop's video card was at around 90 degrees celsius idling in the b.net menu.
Good thing I just read this, because I doubt I can easily switch video card on my laptop :p
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On July 30 2010 11:30 justiceknight wrote:
how do i add those lines,sorry i am a comp noob.
copy and paste?
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shouldn't this be a bug of the video card themselves? i mean, if my CPU overheats/lights on fire from "working too hard", i''d flame the PC manufacturer for making failed product.
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Glad I didn't buy the game yet
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On July 30 2010 11:36 dybydx wrote:
shouldn't this be a bug of the video card themselves? i mean, if my CPU overheats/lights on fire from "working too hard", i''d flame the PC manufacturer for making failed product.
This.
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On July 30 2010 11:00 btlyger wrote:
My frame rate is capping out at 60.
Note: I have not done this command or any sort of command
Just because your framerate is capped doesn't mean your card isn't rendering a LOT more than it should actually be doing.
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On July 30 2010 11:38 Ndugu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:36 dybydx wrote:
shouldn't this be a bug of the video card themselves? i mean, if my CPU overheats/lights on fire from "working too hard", i''d flame the PC manufacturer for making failed product. This.
Yeah, seriously, you would think there would be a "hard cap" on the video cards to prevent shit like this. luckily my computer hasn't been acting too retarded except for the installation lololol
On July 30 2010 11:41 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:36 dybydx wrote:
shouldn't this be a bug of the video card themselves? i mean, if my CPU overheats/lights on fire from "working too hard", i''d flame the PC manufacturer for making failed product. if you let your computer run an infinite loops without a break, it will broke eventually and that apply for every hardware.
Yeah I guess, hence over clocking.
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On July 30 2010 11:36 dybydx wrote:
shouldn't this be a bug of the video card themselves? i mean, if my CPU overheats/lights on fire from "working too hard", i''d flame the PC manufacturer for making failed product.
if you let your computer run an infinite loops without a break, it will broke eventually and that apply for every hardware.
its like: while "1 is not 0", do "memory +1 byte" => no computer can endure that without a software to break the loop
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On July 30 2010 11:36 dybydx wrote:
shouldn't this be a bug of the video card themselves? i mean, if my CPU overheats/lights on fire from "working too hard", i''d flame the PC manufacturer for making failed product.
No program is actually designed to use 100% of hardware capacities as it would almost instantly lock the computer/fry the components.
Ever had a loophole in a program almost freezing up your entire computer and having a process going thru the 99% bar ? Well there you go...
As an analogy, would you sue an oven company if your oven broke after you let it run for 1 straight week at maximum temperature ? Of course not, because even tho it's technically capable of it, it's not made to withstand such critical temperatures for THAT long.
This is just one more case of outrageously bad programming.
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um shouldnt blizzard patch this instead of us doing and accidently fucking up the codes and cant you sew them for breaking your hardware?
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Glad to know this is what happened to my 8800 GTS >.< Explains it pretty perfectly actually. It wasn't under warranty anymore so I took it as an opportunity to upgrade but still good to know what actually happened. Still really sucks though.
Just one question: is this is the official fix from Blizzard, or just a fix someone found out? Just curious
EDIT: Does anyone know if there is a way to get reimbursement or whatever from Blizzard over cards that fried from the game menu? I don't want to seem like I'm whining but I'm pretty furious right now that a simple programing oversight wrecked my card.
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@NB,
if u set ur CPU to run an infinite loop or do "memory +1", it will not damage the hardware. sure, your CPU will be running at 100% capacity 24/7 but CPU's are designed to withstand that, and CPU's do have a powerdown mechanism to prevent permanent damage.
also if u do "memory +1", you will run out of memory space, at which pt ur suppose to get a blue screen or windows will kick intervene the program logic.
either way, software are not suppose to be able to damage hardware, except through excessive wear and tear usage.
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is this the file path in windows 7? when i go to mine, i have a different variable.txt for each account.
ie. documents/sc2/accounts/0/variables.txt
documents/sc2/accounts/466645/variables.txt
do I place this code into both? or are these the wrong files.
thanks for the heads up!
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On July 30 2010 11:44 perfectflaw72 wrote:
um shouldnt blizzard patch this instead of us doing and accidently fucking up the codes and cant you sew them for breaking your hardware?
Actually... If anyone wants new free hardware now is the time.
That statement just gave all the legal proof you need to pretend your computer parts were fried due to blizzards incompetent programming.
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On July 30 2010 11:41 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:36 dybydx wrote:
shouldn't this be a bug of the video card themselves? i mean, if my CPU overheats/lights on fire from "working too hard", i''d flame the PC manufacturer for making failed product. if you let your computer run an infinite loops without a break, it will broke eventually and that apply for every hardware. its like: while "1 is not 0", do "memory +1 byte" => no computer can endure that without a software to break the loop
Fortunately every CPU and BIOS worth their salt stop this from happening when it gets too hot. There's a PC Health section of every BIOS I can remember that you can set thermal maximum settings for your CPU. Now if only there was a standard attachment for video cards to do the same thing... :\
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On July 30 2010 11:44 perfectflaw72 wrote:
um shouldnt blizzard patch this instead of us doing and accidently fucking up the codes and cant you sew them for breaking your hardware?
i believe when you agreed to the EULA, there is a section saying blizz is not responsible for any damage caused from the use of this software.
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On July 30 2010 11:50 dybydx wrote:
i believe when you agreed to the EULA, there is a section saying blizz is not responsible for any damage caused from the use of this software.
EULA isn't a magic "no liability" card. In fact it can be debunked pretty fast by an amateur lawyer.
A) You have to buy the game
B) You can't test it without agreeing to the EULA
C) Agreeing to the EULA to enjoy the product YOU ALREADY PAID FOR fried one/some part(s) of your hardware
You could probably stretch it to reckless endangerment, mischievous behavior, intentional damage of property (as they just admitted they knew about it), arson (a long run but still) , etc...
Also, knowledgeably distributing faulty software breaches a shit-ton of trade/trade practices laws.
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wait, we copy and paste it or we change the existing file ? i cant file the file on windows 7
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can I set it to 75 instead of 60 because my monitor is 75hz?
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I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related.
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Thanks for this man. Much appreciated. Although the two lines keep disappearing out of variables when I play.... T.T
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So is the place im suppose to be adding this information in the variables notepad that has a bunch of crap in it. The very last one in my notepad says width-1280, so do I copy and paste under that?
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On July 30 2010 11:58 Loser777 wrote:
I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related.
A game that is going to allow your GPU to generate 350 frames a second or more really doesn't matter how well its cooled. Unless you're blowing an air conditioner directly in there, and still, probably only a mater of time.
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Good to know. Personally I would have appreciated a heads-up before my video card fried, but maybe this can save someone else from the hassle I've been dealing with since yesterday afternoon.
Blizzard is SUPPOSED to use your graphics card. Sure it might not be reasonable to go balls out on rendering the menu but whatever.
Starcraft2 does not cause anything to overheat or fry, bad cooling does that.
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On July 30 2010 11:58 Loser777 wrote:
I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related.
GPUs aren't nearly as used as you think. There is absolutely no way any GPU could withstand 100% usage for very long, be it cooled with fan, water or liquid nitrogen...
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On July 30 2010 12:02 Santriell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:58 Loser777 wrote:
I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related. GPUs aren't nearly as used as you think. There is absolutely no way any GPU could withstand 100% usage for very long, be it cooled with fan, water or liquid nitrogen...
Depending on your definition of "very long" i would like to hear the reasoning behind this.
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The problem really is:
When its preventable with this one line of Txt...
why didn't they just do everyone a favor and put 300 in there?
That's the issue. And it is CERTAINLY a SC2 issue and not a card issue.
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now i know why my PC was so overheating since the first time i installed SC2 and went for a 16 hour long Campaign sitting :s hope this really fixes it :D
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On July 30 2010 12:00 ShabbySalami wrote:
So is the place im suppose to be adding this information in the variables notepad that has a bunch of crap in it. The very last one in my notepad says width-1280, so do I copy and paste under that?
Yes, and they knew about this during the beta, too, I remember adding to my variables.txt then. Apparently we can't access the beta forums anymore, I wanted to post a link.
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Great.
I fried my 9800GT(stock) and switched it with another barely used 9800GT(stock) thinking my old one was over worked for 3 years. I noticed my temps running quite hot at around 80C-85C which is NOT normal for those cards even when playing at all setting low. Every other games I play(tf2, Crysis, etc...) I see a max at 72C with about 3-5hrs playtime on most setting high.
Gah! Too late now as one of the capacitors on my video card literally burnt out.
Edit: Yes! Fans were 100% speed. Both cards fried and as a University Student I can't afford to spend too much money 
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On July 30 2010 12:05 mgj wrote:
Depending on your definition of "very long" i would like to hear the reasoning behind this.
Couple minutes, at best.
CPUs have a temperature alert making them automatically shut down when going around critical range but most GPUs don't.
Using any GPU at 100% of his capacities will generate so much heat whatever cooling system you have won't be able to keep the charade going for more than a few minutes and you'll fry your card.
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On July 30 2010 11:49 dybydx wrote:
@NB,
if u set ur CPU to run an infinite loop or do "memory +1", it will not damage the hardware. sure, your CPU will be running at 100% capacity 24/7 but CPU's are designed to withstand that, and CPU's do have a powerdown mechanism to prevent permanent damage.
also if u do "memory +1", you will run out of memory space, at which pt ur suppose to get a blue screen or windows will kick intervene the program logic.
either way, software are not suppose to be able to damage hardware, except through excessive wear and tear usage.
Why are you trying to prove this point when even Blizz itself admits it's their fault? Any hardware can die because of overheating since hardware can't decide for itself that it's getting pretty hot. It's the software's job to prevent these kind of things and it was Blizz's programming that was faulty in the first place.
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what does the line frameratecapglue do specifically 0.o
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On July 30 2010 12:05 mgj wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 12:02 Santriell wrote:On July 30 2010 11:58 Loser777 wrote:
I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related. GPUs aren't nearly as used as you think. There is absolutely no way any GPU could withstand 100% usage for very long, be it cooled with fan, water or liquid nitrogen... Depending on your definition of "very long" i would like to hear the reasoning behind this.
It's the same reason your computer locks up when a program tries to use 100% of the available memory. Graphics cards CAN, for example, run a screen at 500 fps if it was working at 100% capacity. However running at this 100% for any period of time causes more heat than the card can handle. This isn't a "malfunction" or problem with the card. Games are supposed to put caps on screens to tell the graphics card to stop trying to process at a safe percentage of use.
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On July 30 2010 12:11 ShinnHachirou wrote:Great. I fried my 9800GT(stock) and switched it with another barely used 9800GT(stock) thinking my old one was over worked for 3 years. I noticed my temps running quite hot at around 80C-85C which is NOT normal for those cards even when playing at all setting low. Every other games I play(tf2, Crysis, etc...) I see a max at 72C with about 3-5hrs playtime on most setting high. Gah! Too late now as one of the capacitors on my video card literally burnt out. Edit: Yes! Fans were 100% speed. Both cards fried and as a University Student I can't afford to spend too much money
Page 2. Blizzard is actually liable for it in this case.
If you want to push it that far, you can use their statement against them and have them spit out the cost of the destroyed hardware.
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I never had beta so does that mean I just add it to the SC2 file only?
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On July 30 2010 11:54 Santriell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:50 dybydx wrote:
i believe when you agreed to the EULA, there is a section saying blizz is not responsible for any damage caused from the use of this software. EULA isn't a magic "no liability" card. In fact it can be debunked pretty fast by an amateur lawyer. A) You have to buy the game B) You can't test it without agreeing to the EULA C) Agreeing to the EULA to enjoy the product YOU ALREADY PAID FOR fried one/some part(s) of your hardware You could probably stretch it to reckless endangerment, mischievous behavior, intentional damage of property (as they just admitted they knew about it), arson (a long run but still) , etc... Also, knowledgeably distributing faulty software breaches a shit-ton of trade/trade practices laws.
A) You don't have to buy the game. The box says that you need to agree to the EULA inside to use the software. The EULA is also available online, or through mail. Furthermore, I believe that if you refuse to agree to the EULA Blizzard has a refund handling process.
B) Test it? What is there to test?
C) I don't even understand what this means.
The software is also not faulty. It runs fine on most computers, to my knowledge. There is a small fraction of devices/usage scenarios which are susceptible to this damage and because of the diversification of computers, it is impossible to guarantee performance on every unit. This is reasonable.
So sorry about your loss, but shit happens.
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On July 30 2010 12:18 HaruHaru wrote:
what does the line frameratecapglue do specifically 0.o
Cap the framerate?
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On July 30 2010 12:02 Santriell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:58 Loser777 wrote:
I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related. GPUs aren't nearly as used as you think. There is absolutely no way any GPU could withstand 100% usage for very long, be it cooled with fan, water or liquid nitrogen...
I think most of you are talking out of your ass.
Most games designed for modern hardware are GPU bound, meaning the GPU is pegged at 100% use at all times during gameplay. I always run a monitoring tool and can confirm this to be the case with most games. Starcraft sits between 60 and 100% use for my GPU.
A menu running at 300fps might be a bit more intensive than 100% use during gaming, but they are both pegging the GPU at 100% usage. Also, it's totally not blizzards fault. My GPU for example has proper cooling, and even heavily overclocked and overvolted, it peaks at 70c in the menus (safe up to 80-90) with 50% fan usage. I have played games (Shattered Horizon for example) that stress my GPU more than this.
The fact is, many GPUs are sadly lacking in cooling systems. At the very least the GPU clock/voltage should tone down at high heat, but most of the time you'll just get kicked back to desktop or reboot instead. A newer CPU for example will always throttle clock speed at high heat. which is a much better solution.
If your GPU is crashing during the menus, you should dust out your computer, get better case fans, or invest in a cooling pad for laptop cooling. If you're crashing from the SC2 menu, you'll eventually run into other games that will crash your computer as well (especially those of you with DX10/11 capable cards, true DX10/11 games are extremely stressful on the GPU)
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On July 30 2010 12:19 sikyon wrote:
A) You don't have to buy the game. The box says that you need to agree to the EULA inside to use the software. The EULA is also available online, or through mail. Furthermore, I believe that if you refuse to agree to the EULA Blizzard has a refund handling process.
The software is also not faulty. It runs fine on most computers, to my knowledge. There is a small fraction of devices/usage scenarios which are susceptible to this damage and because of the diversification of computers, it is impossible to guarantee performance on every unit. This is reasonable.
Ask Microsoft how long their EULA protected the 10.000.000$ they had to shell out because of their faulty xbox update ;-)
Sony is currently tied in such a legal battle too and most probably will settle out of court for an undisclosed amount of millions because there are precedents where judges would have joyfully allowed class-action lawsuits against corporations damaging private property with their software (as its how the law system sees it).
They're bound to pay up and keep it down because if ever such a lawsuit is successful and makes legal grounds, any company that produces defective software could be held accountable and most probably will go bankrupt the minute they release a faulty program.
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It's the same reason your computer locks up when a program tries to use 100% of the available memory. Graphics cards CAN, for example, run a screen at 500 fps if it was working at 100% capacity. However running at this 100% for any period of time causes more heat than the card can handle. This isn't a "malfunction" or problem with the card. Games are supposed to put caps on screens to tell the graphics card to stop trying to process at a safe percentage of use.
This is a really bad comparison. If your computer locks up because of memory usage it has little to do with temperature and more to do with the stack being full.
Also, an EULA will never ever be able to take priority over the laws of your country.
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Misread. Thought it said overeating. I can't be alone.
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On July 30 2010 12:00 cursor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:58 Loser777 wrote:
I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related. A game that is going to allow your GPU to generate 350 frames a second or more really doesn't matter how well its cooled. Unless you're blowing an air conditioner directly in there, and still, probably only a mater of time.
Please. I actually do graphics programming. It's not uncommon for test programs, used to demonstrate an effect, to hit hundreds of FPS. And they don't cause problems.
GPU's generate heat based on how much work they're doing. Rendering 10 frames is virtually no different than rendering 1 frame with 10x the "stuff" in it. The only difference is that you're clearing the framebuffer 10 times more often. And even framebuffer clears are an optimized operation on any card made in the last 5 years.
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Might be a coincidence but my new video card I've had for only about a week has stopped working. Didn't have any issues with other games but after playing SC2 for awhile, was starting to have some problems and now it just won't work. Probably didn't help I've played way too much in the past 2 days (all campaign) but this sure does suck. Hopefully Newegg will replace it since it's still under the 30 day warranty.
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On July 30 2010 11:44 Santriell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:36 dybydx wrote:
shouldn't this be a bug of the video card themselves? i mean, if my CPU overheats/lights on fire from "working too hard", i''d flame the PC manufacturer for making failed product. No program is actually designed to use 100% of hardware capacities as it would almost instantly lock the computer/fry the components.
Prime95
furmark
folding@home
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so i didnt have a folder by that name, but I found Variables inside my SC2 folder and added that. Should that work?
EDIT: NVM i should have read the first post again lol
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On July 30 2010 11:00 btlyger wrote:
My frame rate is capping out at 60.
Note: I have not done this command or any sort of command
You probably have VSync enabled in your video driver's configuration
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Frankly I think it's hilarious that you guys think you can sue blizzard to replace your fried hardware... they may volunteer to provide some monetary or other assistance to those affected, but that'd be for PR, not because you could force them to in any way. When I hear you guys complaining about this I'm reminded of other, actually serious software bugs, such as the therac-25, which actually killed people due to a race condition in the software (for the skeptical, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25 [wikipedia])
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On July 30 2010 11:41 NB wrote:
its like: while "1 is not 0", do "memory +1 byte" => no computer can endure that without a software to break the loop
Oh really? What about supercomputers that crunch numbers all day long 24/7 for scientists? What about folding@home computers? What about webservers?
Are you kidding ??
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On July 30 2010 12:18 AJMcSpiffy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 12:05 mgj wrote:On July 30 2010 12:02 Santriell wrote:On July 30 2010 11:58 Loser777 wrote:
I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related. GPUs aren't nearly as used as you think. There is absolutely no way any GPU could withstand 100% usage for very long, be it cooled with fan, water or liquid nitrogen... Depending on your definition of "very long" i would like to hear the reasoning behind this. It's the same reason your computer locks up when a program tries to use 100% of the available memory. Graphics cards CAN, for example, run a screen at 500 fps if it was working at 100% capacity. However running at this 100% for any period of time causes more heat than the card can handle. This isn't a "malfunction" or problem with the card. Games are supposed to put caps on screens to tell the graphics card to stop trying to process at a safe percentage of use.
I'm sorry but this is retarded. Games are not responsible for keeping hardware from overheating. The hardware/firmware/drivers are. Games can't be held responsible for knowing about every different bit of hardware out there. The hardware is aware of itself. It is responsible for throttling down, if its built in cooling is insufficient. For many cards, it is sufficient. There are plenty of cards that can handle 100 percent use for prolonged periods (see furmark). I just don't even know where to begin with all the posts like this in this thread.
Sure it's not ideal for the menu to be using more resources than is necessary for a smooth framerate, but that's exactly what Starcraft 1 did for a whole freaking decade to the CPU, before patch 1.16. It maxed out the CPU rendering as many frames as it possibly could. They fixed it, and I bet they'll do the same with the SC2 menu. Either way, blaming the program on any hardware failures is dumb. The fault lies with the card's heatsink, drivers, firmware or some combo thereof.
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that isn't a bug
it's working as intended.
If your heatsink/fan can't take some 100% load, ramp up your fans and check for dust, and then bitch at your vendor. It's not Blizzard's problem.
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On July 30 2010 12:17 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:49 dybydx wrote:
@NB,
if u set ur CPU to run an infinite loop or do "memory +1", it will not damage the hardware. sure, your CPU will be running at 100% capacity 24/7 but CPU's are designed to withstand that, and CPU's do have a powerdown mechanism to prevent permanent damage.
also if u do "memory +1", you will run out of memory space, at which pt ur suppose to get a blue screen or windows will kick intervene the program logic.
either way, software are not suppose to be able to damage hardware, except through excessive wear and tear usage. Why are you trying to prove this point when even Blizz itself admits it's their fault? Any hardware can die because of overheating since hardware can't decide for itself that it's getting pretty hot. It's the software's job to prevent these kind of things and it was Blizz's programming that was faulty in the first place.
Blizzard never admitted to such a thing. Quote from the blue post :
Screens that are light on detail may make your system overheat if cooling is overall insufficient.
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You can also turn on vertical sync that caps the frame rate to your monitors refresh rate.
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On July 30 2010 11:05 Vedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:00 btlyger wrote:
My frame rate is capping out at 60.
Note: I have not done this command or any sort of command You're likely using vsync.
i have the same deal on my pc but am not using vsync. well, i'm pretty sure i'm not. i have to check.
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On July 30 2010 10:58 jibber wrote:
Good to know. Personally I would have appreciated a heads-up before my video card fried, but maybe this can save someone else from the hassle I've been dealing with since yesterday afternoon.
Me too. Except i figured out that the game was working too hard in beta and edited the cap in myself, what i didn't expect was the beta editor to fry it. >.< happened the day before release and now i have 3 weeks until i get my laptop back. at least it was under warranty but man no SC2 hurts.
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i didnt understand the OP correctly, can someone give a step by step on how to fix/prevent this problem? I am using windows 7, with a Radeon 5770. Do I need to change anything in order to prevent my vid card to fry?
thanks in advance
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Thank you very much for posting this, my laptop was over heating so bad, and this seems to have fixed it, thanks again.
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Wow that helps a lot, although my card wasn't getting fried the fan speed would go up to 90% and get really noisy during the menus and loading screens, this seems to have fixed it.
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On July 30 2010 11:41 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:36 dybydx wrote:
shouldn't this be a bug of the video card themselves? i mean, if my CPU overheats/lights on fire from "working too hard", i''d flame the PC manufacturer for making failed product. if you let your computer run an infinite loops without a break, it will broke eventually and that apply for every hardware. its like: while "1 is not 0", do "memory +1 byte" => no computer can endure that without a software to break the loop
Umm... It's standard testing practice to insure that electronics hardware can sustain maximum load for a very very long time.
Heck, before the invention of power-scaling CPUs, the chips ran at full power all the time. Your operating system has an Idle Process thread that runs when nothing else is available. In modern chips this thread can shut down parts of the processor, but older chips just chewed on that thread over and over again till something else more important came up.
On July 30 2010 12:42 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 12:00 cursor wrote:On July 30 2010 11:58 Loser777 wrote:
I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related. A game that is going to allow your GPU to generate 350 frames a second or more really doesn't matter how well its cooled. Unless you're blowing an air conditioner directly in there, and still, probably only a mater of time. Please. I actually do graphics programming. It's not uncommon for test programs, used to demonstrate an effect, to hit hundreds of FPS. And they don't cause problems. GPU's generate heat based on how much work they're doing. Rendering 10 frames is virtually no different than rendering 1 frame with 10x the "stuff" in it. The only difference is that you're clearing the framebuffer 10 times more often. And even framebuffer clears are an optimized operation on any card made in the last 5 years.
This man understands his graphics cards.
Even under full load, a properly cooled and cleaned case will keep any modern enthusiast card well within operating temperatures. Modern chips are designed to be able to run surprisingly hot.
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I don't really understand what is going on... I watched my graphics card before I applied the lines and it was hovering around 60-61 degrees... after the 'fix' it's still like 59 degrees. Hard for me to even tell if it's doing anything.
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Example my video card does 512 frames/s in some menus instead of the 60(top refresh rate).
Some of this can bre blamed on the manufaturers. Adding those lines are simple enough though.
Unless you're using a gtx-480/470 above 80C is scary stuff
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Uiotui: I noticed it using the on screen fps display with fraps. Perhaps that could give you a better gauge of if it's actually making a difference.
As for the hardware vs blizzard debate it's a combination of both, but blizzard is stepping up and taking responsibility. You probably won't have a failure if you have a proper setup but it's blizzards programming that left the fps uncapped.
I respect them for stepping up and admitting it though. I wish other companies would follow suit IE Apple, Banks, etc..
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I was wondering why so many people were posting about game crashes and the like in the tech thread. I just assumed it was because sc2 is too much win.
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when i try to do this, each time i open sc2 those lines desapear
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On July 30 2010 13:48 KhAlleB wrote:
when i try to do this, each time i open sc2 those lines desapear
are you sure it didn't just put it in alphabetical order? or maybe forgot to save?
open up the txt file again and check everything thoroughly.
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Thanks. Was wondering why my room was getting so hot while idling on menus.
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My question is why there isn't any form of mainstream, driver-based GPU throttling in 2010. I.e. GPU hits x temperature, it would force the GPU to back to 2D clocks and voltage, thereby preventing a inevitable hard-lock/crash if temps continued escalating.
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OK i added this to the variable files but it doesnt matter were i put it right? just past it in their?
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Ridiculous, I would think it'd be standard for them to test processor gpu ram useage, and heat in various modes of the game just to look for memory leaks. Really hilarious that people are frying 300$ video cards cause they didn't put a framerate cap in the menu by default.
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On July 30 2010 14:29 Yuma wrote:
OK i added this to the variable files but it doesnt matter were i put it right? just past it in their?
Preferably right beneath
foliagequality=x
and ontop of
graphicoptioneffectdetails=x
x being a number ofcourse
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Thanks a bunch for the info, fixed it and messaged my friends about it. Least I could do was post to bump it back to the top so hopefully others can see this
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Wow. I have had my GTX 295 sent back just a week ago because it wasn't working. Im now assuming this bug during the beta has screwed my card.
Im really hoping it can be fixed or replaced for me. I will be pissed if this bug has fried it and all i get is an expensive doorstop.
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I was using fraps to view my current frames per second and before the fix it was doing 60 fps in the main menus and 300!! fps in game...
I added the two lines (modified the values) and now I have it running at 30 fps in the main menus / 120 fps in game... I can't believe the system didn't crash at 300 fps honestly.
Also, before the fix, the game was running around 60 celsius in game... now it's back down to 50 celsius.
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So frameratecapglue=30 is for the menus and frameratecap=60 is for ingame?
Or what does frameratecapglue=30 do?
Edit: Seems like frameratecapglue=30 is for the menus and frameratecap=60 is for ingame.
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On July 30 2010 12:31 NidhoGGur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 12:02 Santriell wrote:On July 30 2010 11:58 Loser777 wrote:
I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related. GPUs aren't nearly as used as you think. There is absolutely no way any GPU could withstand 100% usage for very long, be it cooled with fan, water or liquid nitrogen... I think most of you are talking out of your ass. Most games designed for modern hardware are GPU bound, meaning the GPU is pegged at 100% use at all times during gameplay. I always run a monitoring tool and can confirm this to be the case with most games. Starcraft sits between 60 and 100% use for my GPU. A menu running at 300fps might be a bit more intensive than 100% use during gaming, but they are both pegging the GPU at 100% usage. Also, it's totally not blizzards fault. My GPU for example has proper cooling, and even heavily overclocked and overvolted, it peaks at 70c in the menus (safe up to 80-90) with 50% fan usage. I have played games (Shattered Horizon for example) that stress my GPU more than this. The fact is, many GPUs are sadly lacking in cooling systems. At the very least the GPU clock/voltage should tone down at high heat, but most of the time you'll just get kicked back to desktop or reboot instead. A newer CPU for example will always throttle clock speed at high heat. which is a much better solution. If your GPU is crashing during the menus, you should dust out your computer, get better case fans, or invest in a cooling pad for laptop cooling. If you're crashing from the SC2 menu, you'll eventually run into other games that will crash your computer as well (especially those of you with DX10/11 capable cards, true DX10/11 games are extremely stressful on the GPU)
This. Especially the "talking out your ass" part.
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wait so people are arguing whether blizzard is at fault or the GPU companies
but back to the point..
so i open the variables text and just add
"frameratecapglue=30
frameratecap=60"
anywhere in the list or alphabetically then save the text and that's it?
gg done?
thanks for posting!! glad i found this out early
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So what exactly is the difference between this and vsync?
Other than the 30 cap in menus instead of 60.
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vsync probably affects your performance, this should not.
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On July 30 2010 16:17 Azile wrote:
So what exactly is the difference between this and vsync?
Other than the 30 cap in menus instead of 60.
Vsync has nothing to do with the 'problem' at hand, and is meant for another purpose entirely.
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Would it be better to turn off vsync and use "frameratecapglue=30 frameratecap=60" to improove the performance and stop from overheating?
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On July 30 2010 15:42 ToxNub wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 12:31 NidhoGGur wrote:On July 30 2010 12:02 Santriell wrote:On July 30 2010 11:58 Loser777 wrote:
I don't get how this is a "Bug"... GPUs that are adequately cooled won't overheat... under any kind of load. The lack of a frame-cap encourages overheating in systems that aren't cooled properly, but this problem is more hardware related. GPUs aren't nearly as used as you think. There is absolutely no way any GPU could withstand 100% usage for very long, be it cooled with fan, water or liquid nitrogen... I think most of you are talking out of your ass. Most games designed for modern hardware are GPU bound, meaning the GPU is pegged at 100% use at all times during gameplay. I always run a monitoring tool and can confirm this to be the case with most games. Starcraft sits between 60 and 100% use for my GPU. A menu running at 300fps might be a bit more intensive than 100% use during gaming, but they are both pegging the GPU at 100% usage. Also, it's totally not blizzards fault. My GPU for example has proper cooling, and even heavily overclocked and overvolted, it peaks at 70c in the menus (safe up to 80-90) with 50% fan usage. I have played games (Shattered Horizon for example) that stress my GPU more than this. The fact is, many GPUs are sadly lacking in cooling systems. At the very least the GPU clock/voltage should tone down at high heat, but most of the time you'll just get kicked back to desktop or reboot instead. A newer CPU for example will always throttle clock speed at high heat. which is a much better solution. If your GPU is crashing during the menus, you should dust out your computer, get better case fans, or invest in a cooling pad for laptop cooling. If you're crashing from the SC2 menu, you'll eventually run into other games that will crash your computer as well (especially those of you with DX10/11 capable cards, true DX10/11 games are extremely stressful on the GPU) This. Especially the "talking out your ass" part.
This.^^
and i cant believe how many retards are talking out of their asses... any benchmark program will run 100% capacity of the hardware it is supposed to benchmark, be it memory, cpu , northbridge , gpu.... all your parts should be able to handle 24h of benchmark to be labeled stable...
im not even going to start quoting all the retarded claims that have been made here.... but just think about what you are saying for a second... hardware has been made to run at a certain clock, if it cant handle it then its faulty ( should have been sold as a lower category but has not been tested enough or if your gpu is the lowest of his series, not sold at all ) or you dont have the proper cooling.
all my hardware is overclocked and i have no problem whatsoever with SC2 or any other game for that matter and i ALWAYS uncap my FPS, i shouldnt say always since i have to cap some games since they have not been designed to run with such high fps ( UT2K4 around 2500+ fps start going crazy on the mouse ).
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Yeah, if there was a problem with running your hardware at 100% for long periods of time, I doubt my GTS 250 would have much longer to live, considering how much folding it has done :>
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Ouch now this makes me want to stay away from the game for a few days.
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Should this be copied at the bottom, top, or alphabetically?
Cause I pasted mine alphabetically.
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So, if I have Vsync on - I have nothing to worry about?
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THAT EXPLAINS IT, my 8800GT was fucking up yesterday, and then died. This better not happen again with my new vc.
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On July 30 2010 11:03 Narwhal wrote:
Nvidia and ATI secret deal with the demons of Activison? :p
![[image loading]](http://thesamerowdycrowd.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/conspiracy-poster.jpg)
On topic: Thanks for posting, after I play starcraft2 my laptop feels like it's on fire
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Does everyone have to do this fix? I haven't had any problems with overheating, but should I do the fix?
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On July 30 2010 17:29 thesauceishot wrote:
Does everyone have to do this fix? I haven't had any problems with overheating, but should I do the fix?
Just to be on the safe side, I'd reccomend it. 
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As soon as I did this, my computer stopped overheating. I did this 2 days ago, there was a beta thread about this.
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I did it to be safe. I dont notice a difference in GPU temp though.
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WHy doesnt blizzard realease a hotfix patch for this? Seems extremely irresponsible not to do, not everybody is going to even notice this before its too late...
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D3dOverrider fixes it all.. forces vsync and triple buffering by intercepting and modifying d3d calls.
Also, if a video card fries when it's at full load, there's already something wrong with it.
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Good thing my GPU couldn't even provide more than 60 fps haha. No wonder why people were having problems with theirs.
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What do the lines mean? It might just be me, but I feel like my FPS has dropped now that I've done the "fix".
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On July 30 2010 18:16 thesauceishot wrote:
What do the lines mean? It might just be me, but I feel like my FPS has dropped now that I've done the "fix".
I believe they limit the fps to 60 in-game and to 30 in the menu. If you were getting >60 before your fps will have dropped. Not noticeably though.
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My 2 week old xfx 5850 just died while playing SC2 and I ended up finding this thread. It was all during campaign.
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All the people with 5850 or 8800 gts cards that got fried had a crap video card to begin with. They were plagued with issues in other games also. At least the frame limiter might help prevent others unfortunate enough to buy those lines of video cards from having a melt down.
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I've had this since early beta, it melted the crap out of something in my comp, and now it keeps constantly crashing when I run SC2. What an oversight, how did this get past QA? They must have tested on all kinds of hardware, new and old, no?
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Lol? I had 2 8800GT dual SLI but was using only one at a time. I went through both of them during sc2 beta. I had to buy a new 260 and have had no problems with it since. They should send me a check in the mail.
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im quite sure that most of you with overheating problems have bad hardware/cooling/layout/drivers.
1. i have sc2 running on ultra, 1920x1080 on a 8800gtx
2. my gfx card never surpasses ~80°C not even after running the whole day/weekend on heavy load.
3. its about 2.5years old now
4. i have no fancy special cooling or stuff. just a well done layout
so how could it possibly be starcraft?
i bet 50% of the problems could be solved with diver updates (drivers in gerneral)
Zira
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Anyone else having the problem that every time you close the game and re-open, these lines are removed?
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So much for Blizzard games being "friendly" to a wide spectrum of PC.
How did this get through with all the insane testing they do on their game?
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Sweden33719 Posts
Didn't they fix this in the first fucking patch of the beta? I remember this exact issue -_-
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Your hardware shouldn't really get broken by running at full though.
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On July 30 2010 19:25 Azro wrote:
im quite sure that most of you with overheating problems have bad hardware/cooling/layout/drivers.
1. i have sc2 running on ultra, 1920x1080 on a 8800gtx
2. my gfx card never surpasses ~80°C not even after running the whole day/weekend on heavy load.
3. its about 2.5years old now
4. i have no fancy special cooling or stuff. just a well done layout
so how could it possibly be starcraft?
i bet 50% of the problems could be solved with diver updates (drivers in gerneral)
Zira
Guess what ? That's exactly what fried my old gpu. I just downloaded the latest driver until i realized 1 week later that nvidia told us on their site to change it asap. Obviously i've not checked it after the download.
Just dl the one before the latest driver if you want to be on the safe side
Btw isn't 80C a lot ? oO Maybe that's exceptionnal for your video card...
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My 8800 GTS is OK so far. But my power supply unit (500W) end up in smoke.
Maybe due to the overload?!
Edit: Just checked my fps. Is always under or around 60. So Blizzard is not guilty of smoking up my power supply unit. Gee, I hate it if there is no major company to blame for the problems in my live.
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It's shocking that SC2 can actually burn-out GPUs.
Thanks for the heads up.
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I've had severe problems with artifacts and sc2 locking up and forcing me to manually turn off my computer with the power button since the release. (and stage 2 in beta).
I tried adding these lines to variables.txt and was able to play one game but in the next one the red artifacts were back and I had to shut down my computer longpressing the power button. Does this mean that my 8800GT is broken and I have to buy a new one?
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NB, Santriell, you are fools if you think it is "normal" for hardware to break when put under max stress by the software. That might be the case with some computers, and especially many laptop models, but it's just bad hardware design, and generalizing it for "every computer" is idiotic.
It's true that Blizzard should fix their game, as doing pointless work is... pointless?...
But if anything broke from that, it's still not their fault. Blame whoever assembled the hardware.
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Several GPUs comes with really poor quality fans. My 9800GT is such a case and during beta it would go up towards 89C at max, I implemented fix and it's now around 80C, still not happy so I'm putting on a good heatsink with extra fans on the bastard.
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doesn't this fix also cap the frames in the game itself not just in the menus ? that wouldn't really be ideal either :o tho I guess one can just raise the cap in the line ?
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You people should probably stop buying bad hardware before you start paying legal fees to try and sue Blizzard. Out of curiosity, who's the board manufacturer of your failed GPUs? I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was mostly all the same ones and they all have terrible cooling on them.
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My graphic card exploded while playing the beta. But I think it have more to do with the fact I touched it with the hard drive, which was loose and doing weird noises, so was trying to fix it moving it around.
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Please mods, close this thread. Im quite positive that it would be possible to set up a scientific test to prove without a doubt that reading this thread makes you dumber.
So much potentially harmful (mis)information inhere. Some people have tried to correct it, but its a hopeless task. Not only do they get lost in the swarm of people, they have no way to prove their legitimacy.
If the thread is not closed, then to everyone who is looking for answers/information:
Consider where you are right now. You are not in a hardware forum. You are not in a programming forum. You are in a forum with 15-year-old kids who "knows about computers 'n' stuff" because they have played video games for years. I love you guys, but my god.... trusting you with anything that is not starcraft is really stupid.
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On July 30 2010 21:22 mgj wrote:
Please mods, close this thread. Im quite positive that it would be possible to set up a scientific test to prove without a doubt that reading this thread makes you dumber.
So much potentially harmful (mis)information inhere. Some people have tried to correct it, but its a hopeless task. Not only do they get lost in the swarm of people, they have no way to prove their legitimacy.
If the thread is not closed, then to everyone who is looking for answers/information:
Consider where you are right now. You are not in a hardware forum. You are not in a programming forum. You are in a forum with 15-year-old kids who "knows about computers 'n' stuff" because they have played video games for years. I love you guys, but my god.... trusting you with anything that is not starcraft is really stupid.
This is so true.. So many posts in this thread just make me sigh.. There is no way it is Blizzard/Starcraft's fault that your computer overheats. If your PC has poor cooling then it is up to you to replace it. Blizzard is offering a workaround that might dodge the problem.
If your computer is overheating the core issue is cheap/damaged/poor quality hardware or cooling, there is nothing else to it.
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On July 30 2010 21:22 mgj wrote:
Please mods, close this thread. Im quite positive that it would be possible to set up a scientific test to prove without a doubt that reading this thread makes you dumber.
So much potentially harmful (mis)information inhere. Some people have tried to correct it, but its a hopeless task. Not only do they get lost in the swarm of people, they have no way to prove their legitimacy.
If the thread is not closed, then to everyone who is looking for answers/information:
Consider where you are right now. You are not in a hardware forum. You are not in a programming forum. You are in a forum with 15-year-old kids who "knows about computers 'n' stuff" because they have played video games for years. I love you guys, but my god.... trusting you with anything that is not starcraft is really stupid.
So.. how do we know which of them are talking crap and which know what they're talking about? You didn't give us too many clues on that.
I've pretty much always had a crap computer, until about a year ago when I bought myself a beast. I don't want to "cap" anything, I want the thing to run at max EVERYTHING. What's the point of having supposedly good hardware if you're not using it at full capacity? Am I missing something here?
What if the supposed fix meant not running the game on ultra? Doesn't that mean I'm not benefiting from everything I paid for? Would anyone run stuff on low just to be sure?
So what I'm asking is - what e x a c t l y does this "fix" do, who should do it, what do I lose if I do it but I don't need it and what are the chances I need it although my card hasn't fried yet? Oh and if it's so easy and you lose nothing, why didn't they include it in a patch?
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They had the same problem and the same fix for the beta. I'm surprised they didn't put the values in themselves in the variables.txt. They should have a better fix imo.
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This doesn't affect my Crossfired HD4870's at all. I'm still well within safe temps. My cards idle at about 63C. After playing campaign this morning my primary card was at about 77C and my secondary card was 85C. Both well within safe temp limits by 25+ degrees. That's with my fans at 38% speed. I could always crank it up and cool them down.
Will be nice when Blizzard fixes the issue though regardless.
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The issue is not Blizzard or Starcraft, if your hardware is overheating then it is your problem and you should fix it. Your hardware should be able to run at 100% with no issues. My video card is sitting at 60 degrees at the moment at full load in SC2. Some people in this thread have been reporting 100 degrees or more - this is a problem and it is not with Starcraft, it is with your cooling/cheap hardware.
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The article you've linked is extremely misleading. People are crying because they're being led to believe that the lack of a framerate cap is causing their GPUs to overheat. This is wrong. GPUs should have adequate cooling to run at 100% load all the time. Overheating is a driver/hardware issue. Here is the actual source: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/13501356
Certain screens make your hardware work pretty hard
Screens that are light on detail may make your system overheat if cooling is overall insufficient. This is because the game has nothing to do so it is primarily just working on drawing the screen very quickly. A temporary workaround is to go to your Documents\StarCraft II Beta\variables.txt file and add these lines:
frameratecapglue=30
frameratecap=60
You may replace these numbers if you want to.
Note the highlighted text.
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I think we should have a poll to see how often people clean their cases. I am running SC2 with a 9800 with everything on High/Ultra and my card never goes above 80C, fans don't go above 55%, and my fps during idle loading screens/ingame never goes over 59.
Edit: Also, apparently my drivers aren't updated as well.
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On July 30 2010 20:16 Scania123 wrote:
I've had severe problems with artifacts and sc2 locking up and forcing me to manually turn off my computer with the power button since the release. (and stage 2 in beta).
I tried adding these lines to variables.txt and was able to play one game but in the next one the red artifacts were back and I had to shut down my computer longpressing the power button. Does this mean that my 8800GT is broken and I have to buy a new one?
Had the exact same problem with the same card. Replacing it didn't help at all, I think something else is broken.
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On July 30 2010 12:17 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2010 11:49 dybydx wrote:
@NB,
if u set ur CPU to run an infinite loop or do "memory +1", it will not damage the hardware. sure, your CPU will be running at 100% capacity 24/7 but CPU's are designed to withstand that, and CPU's do have a powerdown mechanism to prevent permanent damage.
also if u do "memory +1", you will run out of memory space, at which pt ur suppose to get a blue screen or windows will kick intervene the program logic.
either way, software are not suppose to be able to damage hardware, except through excessive wear and tear usage. Why are you trying to prove this point when even Blizz itself admits it's their fault? Any hardware can die because of overheating since hardware can't decide for itself that it's getting pretty hot. It's the software's job to prevent these kind of things and it was Blizz's programming that was faulty in the first place.
Ugh, so much misinformation in this thread. Makes me sad.
Graphics cards are designed to run at their full capacity. They are designed to be pushing as hard as possible on the absolute highest setting. Take any very graphically intense game where your FPS never hits 60, and your graphics card is giving all its got. There is nothing in the SC2 software that can make your graphics card do anything beyond "working as hard as it can to render as well as it can". Having your FPS at 200 is no different than having the graphic settings cranked WAYYYY up and being unable to even hit 60 FPS. If your graphics card is overheating because it is working as hard as it is capable of, there is a problem with your graphics card. It cannot be a software issue.
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My computer locks up when the graphics card gets too hot. I had to crank the fan speed to 100% on the card a while back to keep it from overheating in other games. So far I can play SC2 nonstop and my card never goes above 37ºC. You can try sueing Blizzard for a new card, but I am sure the legal fee's outweigh the card's value.
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More importantly, where the hell is variables.txt? My install folder is pretty empty, just some DLL's.
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Settings usually in My Documents/.
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This explains the artifacts I would regularly see on the main screen if I left it there for a while. Though, I just got a new rig, with a big fuckoff HAF-something case with enough room to swing a samoan tiger and enough fans to make a movie star blush, so airflow should be pretty good.
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I hope my video card is okay. It is brand new and my room has been getting really hot when playing SC2 versus playing Just Cause 2 or GTA IV or AvP. A lot of times when a game would be loading I'd leave it on the loading screen and use the restroom.
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On July 30 2010 12:50 PcChip wrote:
Oh really? What about supercomputers that crunch numbers all day long 24/7 for scientists?
Yes
On July 30 2010 12:50 PcChip wrote:
What about folding@home computers?
Yes
On July 30 2010 12:50 PcChip wrote:
What about webservers?
No
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So.. how do we know which of them are talking crap and which know what they're talking about? You didn't give us too many clues on that.
Im just another random guy in the "swarm". You have no reason to listen to my opinion on who is right. Hell, i even have a low post count to boot. You should definitely not listen to me.
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That is really not what i am after. But when the subject of the discussion is potential risks to your hardware, be cautious about who you trust. People dont seem to realize they are on a gaming forum, im just trying to warn them and teach them to be critical about what they read. Noone wants their expensive hardware to die because of something silly like that.
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On July 30 2010 19:29 sikatrix wrote:
Anyone else having the problem that every time you close the game and re-open, these lines are removed?
Those lines could've been organized in order by alphabet, just like mine did.
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I did this in the beta and fixed all my problems. I totally didn't do it with the launch client because I assumed that...
they would have put an auto fix or an option or something.
Oh well atleast there IS a fix
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That's actually really funny. I've been reading all over forums where peoples graphics cards, are and I quote, "melting". Maybe Blizzard should prepackage the game with a class II fire extinguisher? muahaha
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I have 2 sets of variables.txt - one being C:\Users\MYNAME\Documents\StarCraft II, and the other being C:\Users\MYNAME\Documents\StarCraft II\Accounts\1874957 (<--- my account number?)
EDIT: Wow I'm dumb. The second variables doesn't have any of the stuff the \Starcraft II\variables.txt has. No need to change that.
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OK, well I have absolutely no problems with overheating. Highest I have seen it go is 56c. The idea here though makes sense to me. Yes, your gfx cards are designed to work at full load, you need to get better cards or cooling if it can't.
However, having the game make the gfx card work to its max to give a blistering fps on a menu screen is silly. I don't need ultra high fps for menus, having them capped at 60fps seems entirely reasonable, let the card take a break on something inconsequential and go full load when it matters, ingame.
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On July 31 2010 02:27 mgj wrote:Show nested quote +So.. how do we know which of them are talking crap and which know what they're talking about? You didn't give us too many clues on that. Im just another random guy in the "swarm". You have no reason to listen to my opinion on who is right. Hell, i even have a low post count to boot. You should definitely not listen to me. Show nested quote +All replies to this post have to be approved by mgj beforehand - please include a PM from him saying "comment approved" before replying. That is really not what i am after. But when the subject of the discussion is potential risks to your hardware, be cautious about who you trust. People dont seem to realize they are on a gaming forum, im just trying to warn them and teach them to be critical about what they read. Noone wants their expensive hardware to die because of something silly like that.
get off your high horse please. you haven't contributed anything in this thread so far except call an ambiguous group of people misinformed.
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Any hardware can die because of overheating since hardware can't decide for itself that it's getting pretty hot.
Oh my god, you are so wrong.
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Hey guys, Starcraft just lit my whole room on fire, it burned my dog and my face and now I look like Zeratul, plz help.
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Why didnt they patch this is the lastest patch?
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this is a bump
don't be alarmed
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frameratecapglue=30
what does this mean?
glue?
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i read that frameratecapglue=30 caps the menu screen to 30fps
and frameratecap caps everything else
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On July 31 2010 04:34 mahnini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2010 02:27 mgj wrote:So.. how do we know which of them are talking crap and which know what they're talking about? You didn't give us too many clues on that. Im just another random guy in the "swarm". You have no reason to listen to my opinion on who is right. Hell, i even have a low post count to boot. You should definitely not listen to me. All replies to this post have to be approved by mgj beforehand - please include a PM from him saying "comment approved" before replying. That is really not what i am after. But when the subject of the discussion is potential risks to your hardware, be cautious about who you trust. People dont seem to realize they are on a gaming forum, im just trying to warn them and teach them to be critical about what they read. Noone wants their expensive hardware to die because of something silly like that. get off your high horse please. you haven't contributed anything in this thread so far except call an ambiguous group of people misinformed.
Im not really trying to take a moral highground, im just as bad as the rest, i even say so in the post you quoted. Hell, i might even be a bit worse since i added that insulting punchline. I somehow doubt the thread needs another "I think its like this" post. If you read the thread, i have asked to people who i consider to be unclear (read: wrong) for a clarification. Hopefully people are smart enough to decide for themself after an explaination. I consider that contributing, you do not. Fair enough.
Suit yourself people. Go ahead and recommend overclocking of passively cooled cards and similar advice which have been posted on this site in the past. Its not my hardware.
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Has this been fixed in the new patch??? Im installing right now and am not sure if I need to do this or not.
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You don't unless you leave the game menu running for hours while you are alseep, go ride your bike 10 miles etc. I still find all this amusing since no other game limits framerate. Could you imagine a company that makes a fps asking customers to limit framerates?
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On August 02 2010 14:08 Baarn wrote:
You don't unless you leave the game menu running for hours while you are alseep, go ride your bike 10 miles etc. I still find all this amusing since no other game limits framerate. Could you imagine a company that makes a fps asking customers to limit framerates?
The important word is MENU, there is just no reason for menu to stress your GPU, FPS players don't need 300 fps in they menu screen either.
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No need to leave the menu open for hours either.
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yikesss this game is hot as hell even with typing in the variables i still run 60 degrees celcius in the menu any other known fixes?
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Having insufficient protection on hardware to allow easy overheating without any protection is a hardware error.
Ie if software is able to easily destroy hardware then it is clearly an hardware error.
Viruses have been known to permanently harm hardware. See for instance bios bricking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIH_(computer_virus) , which lead to better bios on motherboards. The point being that unless the hardware is protected the viruses will be able to not only wipe the installation but also to destroy the hardware. Admitadly todays viruses will usually try to hide and not try to destroy or wipe the installation, the point still stands - allowing viruses the ability to destroy hardware is clearly an undesired feature aka bugg/error.
[That said it is still of course an software error if fps goes uncapped]
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On August 02 2010 14:31 Baarn wrote:
No need to leave the menu open for hours either.
What about alt tabbing? Does it also stress GPU then? If so then yes you have a reason to leave it open for hours.
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I just wished blizzard would fix this problem out right instead of giving temporary fixes that not everyone will know about. I wonder if there is a list of cards that are "immune" to this too.
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Ololo they seriously didn't limit FPS in load screens?
Cool.
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Just re-iterating what has been said a million times- If your hardware is damaged because it is being "pushed too hard",then your hardware was faulty to begin with. Hardware should be, and is, designed to handle heavy workloads and scale down/shut down as necessary if it is overheating.
Sure, Blizz shouldn't be pushing cards so hard at a menu, but that doesn't excuse your poorly ventilated, cat hair clogged computer from overheating.
People run stress tests all the time on their machines, 24+hrs utilizing max CPU and GPU and RAM... if the hardware is installed and working properly, there will be no problems.
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