We got the Banshee (Headset), Marauder (Keyboard) and Spectre (Mouse)
Price: $119.99 US Razer Banshee™ Technical Specifications + Show Spoiler +
# Circumaural Design with 50mm driver units
# Volume & Mic Control Buttons on the Headset
# APM-Lighting System
# 8 preset EQ
# Detachable Microphone Boom
# Braided 7 Foot USB Cable
Headphones
# Frequency Response: 20 - 20,000 Hz
# Impedance: 32Ω at 1kHz
# Sensitivity (@1kHz, 1V/Pa): >102dB at 1 kHz
# Max. Input Power: 200 mW (
# Drivers: 50 mm, with neodymium magnets
Microphone
# Frequency Response: 100 - 10,000 Hz
# Sensitivity (-42 dB ± 2dB @1kHz, 1V/Pa)
# Signal-to-Noise Ratio: >58 dB
# Pick-up pattern: Uni-directional
Price: $129.99 US Razer Marauder™ Technical Specifications + Show Spoiler +
# Full keyboard layout with integrated number pad keys
# Ergonomically optimized wrist rest
# Reduced desktop footprint
# APM-Lighting System
# Laser-etched keys
# Optimized Key Travel & Spacing
# Ultrapolling (1000Hz Polling / 1ms Response)
# Braided 7 Foot USB Cable
Price: $79.99 US Razer Spectre™ Technical Specifications + Show Spoiler +
# Lightweight, Fingertip-Grip 5 Button Mouse
# 5600 DPI Laser Sensor
# Ultrapolling (1000Hz Polling / 1ms Response)
# APM-Lighting System
# Button Force Adjustment
# Always-On™ mode
# Ultra-large non-slip buttons
# 16-bit ultra-wide data path
# Up to 200 inches per second and 50g of acceleration
# Zero-acoustic Ultraslick™ Teflon feet
# Gold-plated USB connector
# Braided 7 Foot USB Cable
The long and highly anticipated wait for a sequel to StarCraft has been well documented in the annals of gaming history. After more than 10 years, StarCraft II is here much to the delight of gamers everywhere. We at Razer have teamed up with Blizzard to enhance your decade long StarCraft itch with our line of StarCraft II gear. The wait is finally over. We are extremely excited to finally reveal this killer RTS suite. A lot of testing, tweaking, and gg’s went into the crafting of these highly tuned weapons of APM dominance. You’ve seen the Zerg messenger bag, but now it’s time to see the big guns.
Behold the future implements of your opponents’ subjugation.
APM Technology
The full range of Razer’s StarCraft II gear is well equipped to assist you with your RTS skills. Seamlessly integrated with StarCraft II’s in-game APM counter, the lights on your Spectre™, Marauder™ and Banshee™ give you real-time Actions-Per-Minute feedback by letting you customize the color of the lights according to your different APM ranges.
Is the StarCraft action getting too intense? Let the light guide you to victory.
man they must really love cubism. Very interested in the keyboard and mouse, hoping for some nice specs and not too many buttons on the side of the mouse.
On June 16 2010 02:19 FarbrorAbavna wrote: man they must really love cubism. Very interested in the keyboard and mouse, hoping for some nice specs and not too many buttons on the side of the mouse.
APM technology has to be the funniest thing I've ever read in my life.
If the headset is good and reasonably priced (yeah right), I may consider it. But I'm very content with my Intellimouse 3.0. And I don't need that fancy keyboard.
It doesn't bother me that it's just worth the name printed on them though, because I did buy a Steelseries QTK+ with Kerrigan and Zeratul on it.
Still, APM technology. Oh god, if that doesn't become a TL meme I don't know what can.
Lol, imagine this at a LAN. Super intense 300 apm finals lighting up the room! I imagine me walking across the isles and seeing some nerd lighting up like pikachu, thinking to myself; "intense!"
rofl apm technology. it'd be kinda cool if it was key specific, like when you are mashing s+d as zerg those two would change colors based on how fast you were pressing them. although then you'd be sad when only 1, 2, and a were lit up for the rest of the game.
aw i just bought all my sc2 gear, im not too happy with my new mouse though so maybe ill shop around and try this mouse since its lightweight but my keyboard is too good to go with anything else, i feel like i should stock them incase it breaks lol
On June 16 2010 02:31 XFire wrote: I think the keyboard lighting up would make get distracted right as my APM was rising in midgame, making me lose. D:
i wonder if we can use these as seductive objects to female sc2 gamers? O.o I know one girl who plays sc2.
edit: WTF!!! No fucking way, the shit lights up to a degree that is dependent on your current apm? So the higher the apm the brighter the gear gets, thats way to fucking kool, holy shit, im fucking buying this if i ever see it while i have cash on me.
On June 16 2010 02:33 Logo wrote: I like the design of the keyboard/headphones (aesthetically), but what's up with the mouse. Is it just me or does it look rather uncomfortable.
Nah its a transformer that turns into a more comfortable mouse.
But, just how many people play in such utter darkness that it's necessary to illuminate all the keys of a keyboard? Like what, do people play in bed just before conking out?? I feel like, for me, one of two things is gonna happen. Either 1) I'm blinding myself trying to find keys or 2) I already know the hotkeys and lighting them up is useless.
Ugh why must they market to 12 year olds. I like the direction they were going with the mouse, lightweight minimalistic mouse, almost like an updated logitech mini optical. But then they had to make it look like a spaceship and add "apm lights" to it. Like who the hell thinks of this crap.
Oh razer, you make me lol. I can just see people bringing these things to a LAN and spamming like mad so everyone can see how awesome they are. Oh wait, no LAN -_-
On June 16 2010 02:38 Infiltrator wrote: Can't wait on the organic line for HotS.
You'll only be able to buy it after signing a waiver that Razer isn't liable for any acid, spine, or biting-related injuries while handling their hardware
They have to start using these during Starleague and Proleague so the camera can zoom in on July when everything starts burning red as he approaches 1000 APM.
On June 16 2010 02:36 jimminy_kriket wrote: Ugh why must they market to 12 year olds. I like the direction they were going with the mouse, lightweight minimalistic mouse, almost like an updated logitech mini optical. But then they had to make it look like a spaceship and add "apm lights" to it. Like who the hell thinks of this crap.
Agreed. I liked their older products, like the diamondback or tempest mouse, those were great. Unfortunately, from my own experience, this company cannot make keyboards. I bought the Tarantula keyboard on-sale and it was awful, completely unplayable and uncomfortable, and since that point I stay away from any product that isn't a mouse. I would consider buying this new mouse, but it's design looks tacky, and the 'APM lighting system' is a joke. The fact that they would include that as a selling point seems to me like a way to rope in gullible kid's monies.
I love the Salmosa I bought recently (although I had to fix the usual squeak). But I'm not going to lie, that SC2 mouse looks so fucking uncomfortable. The DPS is impressive, but IF you don't play on a ...wall I think 1800 is quite enough. P.S. Also I hate all that thousand button thing for many reasons.. Just leave 2 buttons and a scroll and be done with it. It wouldn't be allowed on tournaments to use them anyway..
On June 16 2010 02:55 Talic_Zealot wrote: I love the Salmosa I bought recently (although I had to fix the usual squeak). But I'm not going to lie, that SC2 mouse looks so fucking uncomfortable. The DPS is impressive, but IF you don't play on a ...wall I think 1800 is quite enough.
Pretty much this.
The only way I can think of that you would need 5600 DPI for is for the broadside of a barn... I like my Salmosa too much to let it go.
wow.. hilarious... i might actually get the keyboard if i can get my hands on one to see how comfortable it is.. otherwise i'm not buring $130 just to have a constant glowing reminder of how fast im buttin mashing.. rofl...
"Check out my new SC2 Special gaming equipment! With APM TECHNOLOGY" "Yeah I got mine too, see?" "Dude what color is your APM?" "I got Yellow man" "Oh yeah? I got Orange, I can click and press keys faster than you!" "Oh nvm I got Red see that, its all bright and shiny!" "Screw you, I'm going to go beyond Red!"
*Breaks mouse and keyboard*
"FFFFFFFFFFUUUU!!!!!!!!!"
*Smashes headphones*
But seriously, I wonder how helpful this feature actually is...
I already have a good mouse (logitech G5) and headset (nice Plantronics); my keyboards is a genius worth like 3 dollars (though I've never had anything to complain about it). But I MUST HAVE all those 3 item to be a good player, otherwise, how am I gonna know? APM tech will raise me to the skies! /sarcasm mode off Most games have a tendency to go for the "stupid between 12-18 years old" gaming market, mostly because it pays off, is a HUGE market (mommy buy me this mouse o my friends will laugh at me for being poor and lame); some games also have another market in mind (which sometimes is the real focus) and act accordingly, but the guys must make money somehow, and seeing how SC2 is going to impact (already did) in the gaming community they'd be fools not to do it. I honestly only hope that this kind of "shitty marketing" don't overlap with which IMO should be the main focus of SC2 (and the hardware companies) of providing quality material for real gamers. PS: If anyone reading this is between 12 and 18 years old please don't feel like I'm directly attacking you, remember the "stupid" part, I think that most stupid people will never read this
On June 16 2010 02:24 holy_war wrote: A high dpi mouse is very important for FPS's but I don't think it makes nearly that much difference in a RTS game
Have you ever played an FPS? This is the most backwards statement you could make about DPI and its use in games. In FPS you generally want as low DPI as possible while still being able to move around properly. RTS is the one competitive genre where a reasonably "high" DPI is actually very useful (so you can tweak it to have very exact and precise mouse control).
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I was hoping this was some kind of joke. A lot of people give Razer shit for having blinkenlights and being overpriced shiny shit etc. I will always recommend Razer mice to people - their engineers just know what they're doing. But this mouse has such utterly silly features that I have trouble even considering it as a "serious" mouse.
The mouse looks like an Abyssus if you look from every angle. However, there is a set of thumb buttons directly in the way of where my fingers naturally go - so I'm not sure how that would work. If the mouse is fully symmetric and has thumb buttons on the other side as well - that's where two fingers go to hold the mouse on the other side. The lighting is probably incredibly obnoxious.
Nothing to say about the keyboard. Razer keyboards don't strike me as a great buy.
The headset looks like it would be very uncomfortable for long sessions. The weight, balance, and square ear-foam all seem just wrong.
All in all, this seems like a huge money-grab that won't result in any quality products. If anyone is looking at Razer mice, look no further than the Deathadder and the Abyssus. Those are the two best things that Razer makes and they are simply incredible.
On June 16 2010 02:24 holy_war wrote: A high dpi mouse is very important for FPS's but I don't think it makes nearly that much difference in a RTS game
Nope. Not even for FPS. Unless you play with high sensitivity, even an ie.3.0 with its 400 dpi is more than enough.
0-15 cm for a 360 degree rotaion in game = High sens 15-20 cm for a 360 degree rotaion in game = Medium-high sens 20-25 cm for a 360 degree rotaion in game = Medium sens 25-35 cm for a 360 degree rotaion in game = Low sens 35+ cm for a 360 degree rotaion in game = Very low sens
If you guys want a good mouse that has proven to be worthy for a lot of FPS'ers over the years and are not that expensive: microsoft ie 3.0, razer death adder and logitech mx510 are regarded as the best.
Well, I already have a Deathadder mouse and some Razer headphones, so all I'd need is a keyboard, but I'm not sure I'm willing to venture away from my current keyboard.
tbh only the headphones look decent.... the sc2 logos on the side still make it look kinda stupid though :S The mouse doesn't look that comfortable and the keyboard looks meh. And all three of them aren't really special, there are many other products with the same or at least similar specs.... EXCEPT OF THE APM TECHONOLGY OF COURSE !!!1!1!1
Seriously razors seems to be just focusing on the bling bling effect nowadays, wonder how fast you'd have to mash keys to get the light to break lol
On June 16 2010 02:24 holy_war wrote: A high dpi mouse is very important for FPS's but I don't think it makes nearly that much difference in a RTS game
No it isnt....FPS's dont require high DPI mice, most pros use DPI's of less than 800, such as the IME 3.0. High DPI is needed for NO game because you never need that much dpi unless you want to move your mouse from corner to corner in about 1 mm.
I don't think I need to spend $80 for some pretty lights that make it look like my mouse is about to explode when I'm playing well. Kinda busy looking at the screen.
After looking at it some more (and factor in money hungry dickheads at the top), I realized that there will probably be Heart of the Swarm merch. As a Zerg player, I'll wait.
On June 16 2010 02:27 Elec wrote: Lol i think these are the first non-snake related name products razor has come out with
i guess starcraft really is that kickass :p
as far as i know: snake name - mouse spider name - keyboard
they (blizz+razer) are doing this, because starcraft 2 will be a huge (money)success and want to pull even more money out of it through hardware _______
the headset looks okay imo
would like to see more pics of the keyboard might be cool
i really don't like that mouse-design looks like a piece taken out of scrap station (:
On June 16 2010 03:28 Jsanko wrote: If they would thought of this properly then they would send set to commentators like day9 and the others for testing and review.
day9 is great but he doesn't have the mass appeal that razer would be looking for
they might as well make a TRON esque jump suit with built in APM lighting and GAME ALERTS technology while they're at it, holy shit i'd bet its gonna be awesome seeing players LIGHT UP! in their booths on a gaming tournament stage.
"Oh mai gawd! look at me powering up to Red level APM!"
On June 16 2010 03:44 nicoaldo wrote: holy shit apm tech,
i think this is so focused on noobs and newcomers who think they will be good if they can turn the light red...
SPAMLIGHT
Its not like there's preset benchmarks either. You set your own! Not only can you brag to all your buddies how you made it to the Plat league with 5-0 against noobs, you can also show them how EXPLOSIVE your gameplay is with your FLAMING HOT mouse at 20 APM!
On June 16 2010 03:51 jamesr12 wrote: i cant wait to see the price tag for these
80 dollar keyboard who else has guesses
150 for keyboard 50 for mourse 65 for headset.. APM and base alert thing is kinda...ew.. Like i was going to buy this because i need a new keyboard and headset but I dont like the "STARCRAFT II" gimmicky looking stuff aswell as the APM BASE ALERT stuff is kinda n00bing "I WANNA BE GOOD SO IMMA BUY THIS" Instead ill just like the Steelseries 7G keyboard, Razer or steelseries mousebad and Astro/Steelseries headset..Razer sphex, lycosa and krait/salmosa atm.
On June 16 2010 03:57 Joey.rumz wrote: Razer is a joke. The only thing I ever got from them that was good was the Razer Naga.
Does anyone even use their mousepads? Are they any good? I'm in the market for a good mouse pad.
Wrong about the razer, they have amazing mice and mouse pads are decent too aswell as they're cord shortner.. Razer naga is a joke, not razer Steelseries and Razer have nice mousepads, I like razer's abit more.. Where is FAKESTEVE?
On June 16 2010 03:57 Joey.rumz wrote: Razer is a joke. The only thing I ever got from them that was good was the Razer Naga.
Does anyone even use their mousepads? Are they any good? I'm in the market for a good mouse pad.
I got the Razer Goliathus for like $7 on sale, the medium sized one.
It's amazing, a great, soft surface and HUGE. I honestly can't play on my old mouse pads any more. If I see a sale again I'm gonna buy like 3.
Edit: Also, the Razer deathadder is the best mouse ever made hands down. The only people who can disagree are lefties or those who like big fat logitech pieces of crap, which is understandable.
On June 16 2010 03:57 Joey.rumz wrote: Razer is a joke. The only thing I ever got from them that was good was the Razer Naga.
Does anyone even use their mousepads? Are they any good? I'm in the market for a good mouse pad.
I got the Razer Goliathus for like $7 on sale, the medium sized one.
It's amazing, a great, soft surface and HUGE. I honestly can't play on my old mouse pads any more. If I see a sale again I'm gonna buy like 3.
Edit: Also, the Razer deathadder is the best mouse ever made hands down. The only people who can disagree are lefties or those who like big fat logitech pieces of crap, which is understandable.
I also got a Goliathus when I got my Salmosa, it's pretty sweet.
APM tech may be funny, but what's even better is the number of wannabe nerds who will buy the keyboard for the flashy lights without even knowing what APM means.
On June 16 2010 03:51 jamesr12 wrote: i cant wait to see the price tag for these
80 dollar keyboard who else has guesses
150 for keyboard 50 for mourse 65 for headset.. APM and base alert thing is kinda...ew.. Like i was going to buy this because i need a new keyboard and headset but I dont like the "STARCRAFT II" gimmicky looking stuff aswell as the APM BASE ALERT stuff is kinda n00bing "I WANNA BE GOOD SO IMMA BUY THIS" Instead ill just like the Steelseries 7G keyboard, Razer or steelseries mousebad and Astro/Steelseries headset..Razer sphex, lycosa and krait/salmosa atm.
On June 16 2010 03:57 Joey.rumz wrote: Razer is a joke. The only thing I ever got from them that was good was the Razer Naga.
Does anyone even use their mousepads? Are they any good? I'm in the market for a good mouse pad.
Wrong about the razer, they have amazing mice and mouse pads are decent too aswell as they're cord shortner.. Razer naga is a joke, not razer Steelseries and Razer have nice mousepads, I like razer's abit more.. Where is FAKESTEVE?
On second thought, I was like "oh cool, the mouse and keyboard look kinda neat, headset is bulky..but then I read APM TECHNOLOGY..ew.
I am using old-school microsoft products. I feel like the mouse might not be a bad deal (even though it is expensive). My keyboard's keys are so loud that I would like to get a new one.
Excluding the $130 SC2 one, do any of you have any particular recommendations for a gaming keyboard? I have heard Logitech makes good gaming boards.
On June 16 2010 03:59 NuKedUFirst wrote: Razer naga is a joke, not razer
Shut your face.
You even ever tried the Naga? Its a freaking beast, not only for MMOs, but I make great use of it playing SC2, micro has never been so easy to control
Oh, seems very fair, have fun using that on LANs Should boost your APM ^_^;; If you don't know what that is razer explains it on the new Sc2 site so baddies will buy it.
On June 16 2010 04:09 Paramore wrote: according to earlier thread, can't use these items since they contain macro capabilities and all macro is cheat...
lolol
Pretty much this. Wasn't fakesteve calling the steelseries mouse cheating a while back..? + Show Spoiler +
What is APM? APM stands for Action per Minute. It is a measure of how many clicks and key presses a gamer can do per minute with his mouse and keyboard.
Why is APM important? APM is important because it measures your speed with which you're able to give out new commands. It is therefore a good indicator of the control over your game you have in terms of both micro and macromanagement.
What would be a standard APM? For beginners an APM of around 40-60 is not uncommon. More experienced players will have between 100-150. Professional players have around 300 APM with some exceptions even exceeding that.
What is effective APM? Effective APM or eAPM is a more accurate way of measuring APM, as it only counts those clicks/key presses that actually issue a command as opposed to standard APM, which counts every single click and key press.
First I saw the pictures. Then I saw the words "APM TECHNOLOGY". Now I'm convinced fucking FakeSteve has everything to do with this. I hope I'm wrong because if not, prepare for an onslaught of irate PMs Mister!
On June 16 2010 02:24 holy_war wrote: A high dpi mouse is very important for FPS's
no it isn't :<
^i don´t know, FPS players play on very low sens, and a high dpi mouse gives you more precise moves on low sens...
As a moderately successful counter-strike player I can safely say that all the 'gaming gear' is complete marketing bullshit. Please don't buy anything from razer or these other XTREME gaming companies. Many of my teammates have been suckered into buying razer gear over the years and my old microsoft intellimouse with side buttons has outlasted at least 4 generations of their mice. My mouse is still going strong and not once have I wanted more DPI. I'm especially pissed at razer because their small and overpriced $50 mousepad (WITH CARRYING CASE ROFL) replaced the $9 enormous super mat they used to sell at Comp USA. Thanks razer, definitely looking out for my pro gaming interests. Without your scientifically (note: not) advanced mousing surfaces I'd never be ABLE TO GO FROM JOE TO PRO IN 1.337 seconds (gaming glove reference for those that witnessed that abomination of an ad campaign).
Basically this stuff just appeals to the same sort of person who buys those cs servers that advertise 10,000+ FPS mega boosted hyper laser accelerated.
On June 16 2010 03:59 NuKedUFirst wrote: Razer naga is a joke, not razer
Shut your face.
You even ever tried the Naga? Its a freaking beast, not only for MMOs, but I make great use of it playing SC2, micro has never been so easy to control
Oh, seems very fair, have fun using that on LANs Should boost your APM ^_^;; If you don't know what that is razer explains it on the new Sc2 site so baddies will buy it.
On June 16 2010 04:09 Paramore wrote: according to earlier thread, can't use these items since they contain macro capabilities and all macro is cheat...
lolol
Pretty much this. Wasn't fakesteve calling the steelseries mouse cheating a while back..? + Show Spoiler +
What is APM? APM stands for Action per Minute. It is a measure of how many clicks and key presses a gamer can do per minute with his mouse and keyboard.
Why is APM important? APM is important because it measures your speed with which you're able to give out new commands. It is therefore a good indicator of the control over your game you have in terms of both micro and macromanagement.
What would be a standard APM? For beginners an APM of around 40-60 is not uncommon. More experienced players will have between 100-150. Professional players have around 300 APM with some exceptions even exceeding that.
What is effective APM? Effective APM or eAPM is a more accurate way of measuring APM, as it only counts those clicks/key presses that actually issue a command as opposed to standard APM, which counts every single click and key press.
You don't know what the Naga does, do you? Its a great mouse for SC2. Lets you hit number keys very efficiently, particularly 7-10.
On June 16 2010 03:59 NuKedUFirst wrote: Razer naga is a joke, not razer
Shut your face.
You even ever tried the Naga? Its a freaking beast, not only for MMOs, but I make great use of it playing SC2, micro has never been so easy to control
Oh, seems very fair, have fun using that on LANs Should boost your APM ^_^;;
Did i ever mention APM?
Read again.
I am very sorry sir " make great use of it playing SC2, micro has never been so easy to control" Still sounds fair for tournaments / LANS, wont become jaedong that way ^_^ Any mouse with macroable buttons isn't allowed in any tournament or anything for a FPS, unless people don't know that you were using it, but it's like if I took my keyboard for "P" I moved it to "A" still makes it easier, doesn't make it right ^_^
On June 16 2010 03:59 NuKedUFirst wrote: Razer naga is a joke, not razer
Shut your face.
You even ever tried the Naga? Its a freaking beast, not only for MMOs, but I make great use of it playing SC2, micro has never been so easy to control
Oh, seems very fair, have fun using that on LANs Should boost your APM ^_^;;
Did i ever mention APM?
Read again.
The Naga the one with all the buttons on the side? Looks pretty cool... the only thing is whenever I buy a mouse/keyboard with that type of functionality I only use it a handful of times and I go back to the oldschool way.
On June 16 2010 03:51 jamesr12 wrote: i cant wait to see the price tag for these
80 dollar keyboard who else has guesses
150 for keyboard 50 for mourse 65 for headset.. APM and base alert thing is kinda...ew.. Like i was going to buy this because i need a new keyboard and headset but I dont like the "STARCRAFT II" gimmicky looking stuff aswell as the APM BASE ALERT stuff is kinda n00bing "I WANNA BE GOOD SO IMMA BUY THIS" Instead ill just like the Steelseries 7G keyboard, Razer or steelseries mousebad and Astro/Steelseries headset..Razer sphex, lycosa and krait/salmosa atm.
On June 16 2010 03:57 Joey.rumz wrote: Razer is a joke. The only thing I ever got from them that was good was the Razer Naga.
Does anyone even use their mousepads? Are they any good? I'm in the market for a good mouse pad.
Wrong about the razer, they have amazing mice and mouse pads are decent too aswell as they're cord shortner.. Razer naga is a joke, not razer Steelseries and Razer have nice mousepads, I like razer's abit more.. Where is FAKESTEVE?
How is the razer naga a joke? I've had mine since the product was released, a nice mouse, a great feel on my right hand. The side buttons, not as useful as you think, but the price was the same as most of these 'high dpi gaming mouse,' so I didn't really care.
The Razer naga is a solid wired mouse. 5600 DPI feels really nice as well. Razer mouse are good and feel good, their keyboards are friggin terrible, their circuitry was split from w a s and d between some of the 6 circuits. If your PTT was caps lock or left ctrl (I use caps lock, my hands are big, it's comfortable,) I couldn't use w/a/and PTT at the same time. Poor design choices and it was headlining as the 'top keyboard to pick up,' at the time. I have no idea how.
As far as the mouse pad, thanks for the suggestion. Agree to disagree perhaps on the naga, I don't know.
p.s. - What the hell is with this APM technology? What a joke.
Haha that apm thing looks so ridiculous and awesome at the same time :p
It remembers me when i used to watch replays of gosu players with chaoslauncher. When the apm colour switched from red to blue ( 400+) i was like "goooooooood "
with the release of these mouse/keyboard i will take that as blizzard saying macro is not cheating since these devices are macro enabled!! :D gogo spawn 50,000 larva with 1 button!!!
On June 16 2010 04:29 Paramore wrote: with the release of these mouse/keyboard i will take that as blizzard saying macro is not cheating since these devices are macro enabled!! :D gogo spawn 50,000 larva with 1 button!!!
You think macros will be acceptable in competitive play?
On June 16 2010 04:29 Paramore wrote: with the release of these mouse/keyboard i will take that as blizzard saying macro is not cheating since these devices are macro enabled!! :D gogo spawn 50,000 larva with 1 button!!!
On June 16 2010 02:24 holy_war wrote: A high dpi mouse is very important for FPS's
no it isn't :<
^i don´t know, FPS players play on very low sens, and a high dpi mouse gives you more precise moves on low sens...
As a moderately successful counter-strike player I can safely say that all the 'gaming gear' is complete marketing bullshit. Please don't buy anything from razer or these other XTREME gaming companies. Many of my teammates have been suckered into buying razer gear over the years and my old microsoft intellimouse with side buttons has outlasted at least 4 generations of their mice. My mouse is still going strong and not once have I wanted more DPI. I'm especially pissed at razer because their small and overpriced $50 mousepad (WITH CARRYING CASE ROFL) replaced the $9 enormous super mat they used to sell at Comp USA. Thanks razer, definitely looking out for my pro gaming interests. Without your scientifically (note: not) advanced mousing surfaces I'd never be ABLE TO GO FROM JOE TO PRO IN 1.337 seconds (gaming glove reference for those that witnessed that abomination of an ad campaign).
Basically this stuff just appeals to the same sort of person who buys those cs servers that advertise 10,000+ FPS mega boosted hyper laser accelerated.
Sorry razer is a solid company sponsoring a lot of tournaments and players, especially teamliquid. I love my razer products, I've had 4 razer mice now, and I've never gone back to a logitech or anything else. Go razer!
Apparently one of the lightning options is "unit created". Can't read most of the others in that tiny screenshot.
Things like that might be handy. Visual queues beyond the easily ignored and forgotten text on the left-hand side of the screen.
- Your base is under attack - Ally base is under attack - Your unit is under attack - Ally unit is under attack - Building complete - Upgrade complete - Training complete - Resource exhausted? - Research complete - Warp-in Complete - Calldown launched? - Morph complete - Mothership complete
On June 16 2010 02:24 holy_war wrote: A high dpi mouse is very important for FPS's
no it isn't :<
^i don´t know, FPS players play on very low sens, and a high dpi mouse gives you more precise moves on low sens...
it's the opposite, you want high dpi for high sensitivities... that's because you'll be moving the mouse by tiny amounts and you want it to pick up on that as accurately as possible. For example, cs is a game where people play with really low sensitivities because it's slow and you need to be pre-positioned for one hit kills - usually they play with 400 dpi. Unless you've got your mouse speed cranked up there's no real point to dpi past about 1000 for somone with normal cursor movement, and even that's probably pretty excessive.
On June 16 2010 04:16 norterrible wrote:replaced the $9 enormous super mat they used to sell at Comp USA.
I use one of those, took me a while to find one at a reasonable price. Fantastic :D. I'm thinking of cutting it in half and carrying the other part with my laptop.
That keyboard doesn't look like it's worth the price, I'd rather (and am intending to) buy a Lycosa than that. The mouse looks really uncomfortable too. I will be sticking with my Mamba, even if it doesn't have APM Technology. (Seriously, who would pay attention to the mouse/keyboard to see if their base was under attack? I think the alerts in-game are enough)
who the hell needs to know what their APM is so bad they'd get a mouse to tell them in game? If there's time to worry about APM, clearly not enough is being done in game.
Sorry razer is a solid company sponsoring a lot of tournaments and players, especially teamliquid. I love my razer products, I've had 4 razer mice now, and I've never gone back to a logitech or anything else. Go razer!
Im curious to how this APM technology works.. the
Why have you had to get 4 mice? I've had the same mouse for like 7+ years. And yeah I guess it's nice that razer sponsers alot of tournaments, but for the cs ones its always just the chance to win computer hardware. I'm obviously using a mouse, why would I want to win another one. Better than the prizes for the tournaments I'm hosting (none) I suppose.
for those wondering about the APM technology i can tell you from firsthand experience it looks fucking awesome hahahah
the keyboard also has switches very similar to the ones you'll find in a DT-35, they have a real solid feel to em, the keys are high-profile & spaced properly for RTS games rather than razer's typical low-profile smushed-together setup
from a gaming standpoint these are really solid products
From the title I thought it was Razer announcing a starcraft 2 team they were sponsoring. The "lol" made me think it was made of guys like Toad. I'm disappointed
i will stick with my no name mouse I found in my house 5 years ago when my old one broke, my laptop keyboard and speakers (earbuds when roomate wants the sound off)
On June 16 2010 05:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: the mouse is fairly small, not as big as, say, a deathadder. it's actually really comfortable!
and the dpi sensor adjusts all the way down to like 200 dpi or something
How would you compare the feel of this keyboard to the feel of a mechanical keyboard?
quite similar. during testing i played a ton of starcraft on a DT-35, a no-name brand mechanical keyboard, and this keyboard. they all shared a feeling of solidity. the equipment can definitely take a beating.
Keep in mind that these products are built to appeal to a wide audience. My role on the project was to ensure they're solid products for competitive play, and that's what I did
you guys will definitely not laugh at the APM lighting when you see it in action, playing in a dark room is massively fucking cool with this thing hahahaha. it's essentially starcraft bling that doesn't trade functionality away for extra style
Wow. The products look really bulky! Not a design win in my book by far. But okay I'll take FakeSteve's word about their performance. And quite cool a TL staff member being involved in the products pro-testing
Though I'm quite surprised and a bit concerned about the keyboards macro function. Razer has teamed up with Blizzard so it should be valid and tournament legal. But a lot of people have complained about it being unfair to have custom keys. I wholeheartedly disagree, especially as a left-handed player!
But still I'm thinking if this keyboard is taking it waaay to far with on-the-fly macros and pre-defined profiles for super n00bification?
i though that a 20$ keyboard was good until i tryed a good one. I have a g15 and honestly i could not play with a normal keyboard anymore, i'm not saying to buy the razer one but try a good keyboard and you will see a big difference.
but i like the backlight on the razer keyboard. I got the naga too, but it was more for WoW then anyother thing.
I'm a zerg player, I don't want this terran crap. I want headphones with tentacles, a keyboard with random spikes, and a mouse with buttons that are hard to press because they're so slimy and slippery. None of this "Ultra-large non-slip buttons" crap.
Edit: Oh and instead of APM lighting, it should have APM baneling explosions
On June 16 2010 05:25 liaf wrote: I'm a zerg player, I don't want this terran crap. I want headphones with tentacles, a keyboard with random spikes, and a mouse with buttons that are hard to press because they're so slimy and slippery. None of this "Ultra-large non-slip buttons" crap.
You'd have to go to Japan for that one, I'm sure they'll accommodate.
On June 16 2010 03:54 Bibdy wrote: Although I won't lie. If I had the spare cash I'd totally nerdgasm all over this stuff. With money, you can be as eccentric as you want
Yeah, I wish I had the spare money to get some APM technology XD
Unfortunately, instead the better option is to just get what works well :[
Aw yeah APM technology. I already have a Razer product so, no dice. But the changing colour does get the attention of the gangsta/kid in me. *Imagines mashing the keys to reach the 'red' APM level; awwww yeahhh*
hey fakesteve, do you know when that keyboard will be available and if it will be sold retail? Id like to see one of these out of the box before purchase, since you are kind of at the whim of other's reviews until you get it by mail
The uber-square look and lights really aren't my bag, but I'm sure a lot of people will find use for them (if nothing else, they can look 'cool' in front of their friends). Also not sot sure how practical off-screen lights (keyboard mouse) will be for alerts/apm markers though, I think it would distract from what is going on.
Keyboard looks bleh can't really tell if it has alot of extra keys for binds for other games but the shape looks bad and would not be good for the wrists.
On June 16 2010 05:29 Rinrun wrote: Aw yeah APM technology. I already have a Razer product so, no dice. But the changing colour does get the attention of the gangsta/kid in me. *Imagines mashing the keys to reach the 'red' APM level; awwww yeahhh*
I've decided I'm going to buy this and hack it up so that my screen brightness is directly correlated to my apm, that way I'm forced to keep my apm high or my screen will go black and I won't be able to see. I feel this will help with everything and make me awesome. And piss off people who try and use my computer.
I also need to hack this into word. Essay writing at its best.
Seriously though, they look pretty. Should put them in a case and look at the shiny.
On June 16 2010 05:25 liaf wrote: I'm a zerg player, I don't want this terran crap. I want headphones with tentacles, a keyboard with random spikes, and a mouse with buttons that are hard to press because they're so slimy and slippery. None of this "Ultra-large non-slip buttons" crap.
You'd have to go to Japan for that one, I'm sure they'll accommodate.
Hahaha I think I now what you're hinting and that's just disgusting
On June 16 2010 04:29 Paramore wrote: with the release of these mouse/keyboard i will take that as blizzard saying macro is not cheating since these devices are macro enabled!! :D gogo spawn 50,000 larva with 1 button!!!
You think macros will be acceptable in competitive play?
Doubtful at best.
oh its going to be there whether you like it or not
whether it makes a difference at all at the pro-scene is an entirely different story...
have fun whining about macro in your silver-league though... "OH NOES!! he can build larva so fast!!! waaaaa... waaaaaaa... waahhhhhhh"
its 2010, get your head out of your ass... this was the same argument given for multi-building selection...
"ZOMG... MBS IS CHEATING.. U CANT HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDILNGS IN A SINGLE HOTKEY!!! THATS JUST TOO EFFICIENT!!!" waaaahhh...
meanwhile I'm laughing from afar, god forbid they invent touch screen interface that is inter-active (non-flat) and you can control units by waving your hands in the air in a specific fashion with complex flank maneuvers... or a neural interface where you can control everything with your brain instead of using a mouse and keyboard... what then? LOL...
wahhhhhh wahhh.. more whining for those who can't fathom it...
On June 16 2010 04:29 Paramore wrote: with the release of these mouse/keyboard i will take that as blizzard saying macro is not cheating since these devices are macro enabled!! :D gogo spawn 50,000 larva with 1 button!!!
You think macros will be acceptable in competitive play?
Doubtful at best.
oh its going to be there whether you like it or not
whether it makes a difference at all at the pro-scene is an entirely different story...
have fun whining about macro in your silver-league though... "OH NOES!! he can build larva so fast!!! waaaaa... waaaaaaa... waahhhhhhh"
its 2010, get your head out of your ass... this was the same argument given for multi-building selection...
"ZOMG... MBS IS CHEATING.. U CANT HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDILNGS IN A SINGLE HOTKEY!!! THATS JUST TOO EFFICIENT!!!" waaaahhh...
meanwhile I'm laughing from afar, god forbid they invent touch screen interface that is inter-active (non-flat) and you can control units by waving your hands in the air in a specific fashion with complex flank maneuvers... or a neural interface where you can control everything with your brain instead of using a mouse and keyboard... what then? LOL...
wahhhhhh wahhh.. more whining for those who can't fathom it...
There isn't a chance macros will be allowed in tournaments. Sorry.
On June 16 2010 05:31 Destro wrote: hey fakesteve, do you know when that keyboard will be available and if it will be sold retail? Id like to see one of these out of the box before purchase, since you are kind of at the whim of other's reviews until you get it by mail
i'm not sure when it'll be available, i left singapore before that was decided. as far as i know they're shooting for retail availability at SC2's retail launch.
On June 16 2010 05:33 dogmeatstew wrote: I've decided I'm going to buy this and hack it up so that my screen brightness is directly correlated to my apm, that way I'm forced to keep my apm high or my screen will go black and I won't be able to see. I feel this will help with everything and make me awesome. And piss off people who try and use my computer.
I also need to hack this into word. Essay writing at its best.
Seriously though, they look pretty. Should put them in a case and look at the shiny.
btw those talking about macros in the keyboard: Razer is well aware that macros aren't allowed in tournaments, i told them many many times that was the case. macros exist on the keyboard for people who use one keyboard for more than one game or task, aka everyone ever. there'll be a system in place to prevent the use of macros in tournaments, these products can interface with the new bnet. that's part of the license ^_^
On June 16 2010 05:40 Kyuki wrote: I like what I see, I hope the mouse delivers tbh.. Gonna be interesting to follow
I found it quite similar to using a US Salmosa, which has been my SC mouse of choice for many years. I dunno if that helps, but I figure it's good info
Anyone that is saying high dpi = good for fps, has never played competitively in their entire life, and I guarantee this.
High dpi is not automatically good for fps, its motha fuckin preference. On top of this, the main important thing in a mouse is hertz, not dpi. My $30 ime 3.0 has more hertz overclocked then any shitty million dollar razer mouse.
On June 16 2010 02:24 holy_war wrote: A high dpi mouse is very important for FPS's
no it isn't :<
^i don´t know, FPS players play on very low sens, and a high dpi mouse gives you more precise moves on low sens...
As a moderately successful counter-strike player I can safely say that all the 'gaming gear' is complete marketing bullshit. Please don't buy anything from razer or these other XTREME gaming companies. Many of my teammates have been suckered into buying razer gear over the years and my old microsoft intellimouse with side buttons has outlasted at least 4 generations of their mice. My mouse is still going strong and not once have I wanted more DPI. I'm especially pissed at razer because their small and overpriced $50 mousepad (WITH CARRYING CASE ROFL) replaced the $9 enormous super mat they used to sell at Comp USA. Thanks razer, definitely looking out for my pro gaming interests. Without your scientifically (note: not) advanced mousing surfaces I'd never be ABLE TO GO FROM JOE TO PRO IN 1.337 seconds (gaming glove reference for those that witnessed that abomination of an ad campaign).
Basically this stuff just appeals to the same sort of person who buys those cs servers that advertise 10,000+ FPS mega boosted hyper laser accelerated.
On June 16 2010 05:33 dogmeatstew wrote: I've decided I'm going to buy this and hack it up so that my screen brightness is directly correlated to my apm, that way I'm forced to keep my apm high or my screen will go black and I won't be able to see. I feel this will help with everything and make me awesome. And piss off people who try and use my computer.
I also need to hack this into word. Essay writing at its best.
Seriously though, they look pretty. Should put them in a case and look at the shiny.
On June 16 2010 05:41 PanN wrote: Anyone that is saying high dpi = good for fps, has never played competitively in their entire life, and I guarantee this.
High dpi is not automatically good for fps, its motha fuckin preference. On top of this, the main important thing in a mouse is hertz, not dpi. My $30 ime 3.0 has more hertz overclocked then any shitty million dollar razer mouse.
what do the higher hertz for a mouse do for you? (im not aware)
On June 16 2010 05:33 dogmeatstew wrote: I've decided I'm going to buy this and hack it up so that my screen brightness is directly correlated to my apm, that way I'm forced to keep my apm high or my screen will go black and I won't be able to see. I feel this will help with everything and make me awesome. And piss off people who try and use my computer.
I also need to hack this into word. Essay writing at its best.
Seriously though, they look pretty. Should put them in a case and look at the shiny.
hows your APM in farmville?
It's over 9000.
thats a lot of cows.
you sure your mouse has the DPI high enough for that? you don't want a shitty farm..
anyways back on topic, if fakesteve says its good that means a lot more to me then random TLer's imo. Is it worth the "upgrade" from other razer products tho?
I have to say, I like the key layout on the keyboard. Lol good thing I'm a vim programmer for the lack of arrow keys, though. Although, even then, it looks pretty sweet.
Still, pretty ballsy move to take out the navigation island and arrows. Respect for that.
On June 16 2010 05:41 PanN wrote: Anyone that is saying high dpi = good for fps, has never played competitively in their entire life, and I guarantee this.
High dpi is not automatically good for fps, its motha fuckin preference. On top of this, the main important thing in a mouse is hertz, not dpi. My $30 ime 3.0 has more hertz overclocked then any shitty million dollar razer mouse.
Except you can apply the usb rate patch at (legit) LANs. Current gen razer mice all support 1000hz natively.
On June 16 2010 05:41 PanN wrote: Anyone that is saying high dpi = good for fps, has never played competitively in their entire life, and I guarantee this.
High dpi is not automatically good for fps, its motha fuckin preference. On top of this, the main important thing in a mouse is hertz, not dpi. My $30 ime 3.0 has more hertz overclocked then any shitty million dollar razer mouse.
Again, high DPI is necessary for specifically low-sens FPS players.
Refresh rate ("hertz") is irrelevant because you can use software to make any mouse have 1000Hz (I use 500 on my Krait, for example, which is natively 125).
Their APM technology is just having the number keys on the right side of the keyboard auto group when pressed. Instead of just pressing ctrl+1 it is now just 1. That is very advanced APM technology right there.
On June 16 2010 05:41 PanN wrote: Anyone that is saying high dpi = good for fps, has never played competitively in their entire life, and I guarantee this.
High dpi is not automatically good for fps, its motha fuckin preference. On top of this, the main important thing in a mouse is hertz, not dpi. My $30 ime 3.0 has more hertz overclocked then any shitty million dollar razer mouse.
Again, high DPI is necessary for specifically low-sens FPS players.
Refresh rate ("hertz") is irrelevant because you can use software to make any mouse have 1000Hz (I use 500 on my Krait, for example, which is natively 125).
It's the opposite. High dpi is necessary for very high sensibility users, when the mouse needs to be able to dectect each minimal movement. But that is rarely the case. Low sensitivity is commonly used because it provides much better accuracy and precision. That's why a lot of professional fps players still use the intellimouse 3.0 which i believe only offers 400 dpi.
Also to increase frequency i'm not sure how it is now, but a while ago, you had to overlock the mouse chip.
Just google "best mouse", and you'll see over and over again: the consensus is that the best mice are the intelimmouse 3.0, the razer death adder and the logitech mx510. There's even a website somewhere, where they actually measured the speed at which the mouse would failt to be precise, among other things. All those 3 scored on top of almost everything (except dpi, price, extra buttons and stuff like that, which doesn't matter for practical use). There's no point in buying anything else more expensive, when cheaper ones are as good or better.
I myself have played FPS competitively first UT99 then Urban terror, and this mx510 has survived for about 5 years, and is in perfect shape - i take good care of it as well.
Another very important thing to have in mind is the mouse pad. It helps a lot that you can slide the mouse effortlessly yet not as much that there's no friction at all. Just that small amout is perfect. For that i'd recommend a steelpad 30cm or so (mine's a 5L), but nothing like googling and deciding for yourself.
As for the headphones, the top brand is Sennheiser, followed by Steelseries. The steelseries have headphones with changed tones as to improve hearing in different games, be it FPS, RTS or other types. For instance in FPS headphones they change some bass tones to increase the volume of walking steps, firing bullets, etc.
What generally happens is that products attached to games and such are more of a marketing move than an engeneering novelty, so beware.
On June 16 2010 05:17 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: quite similar. during testing i played a ton of starcraft on a DT-35, a no-name brand mechanical keyboard, and this keyboard. they all shared a feeling of solidity. the equipment can definitely take a beating.
On June 16 2010 05:41 PanN wrote: Anyone that is saying high dpi = good for fps, has never played competitively in their entire life, and I guarantee this.
High dpi is not automatically good for fps, its motha fuckin preference. On top of this, the main important thing in a mouse is hertz, not dpi. My $30 ime 3.0 has more hertz overclocked then any shitty million dollar razer mouse.
Again, high DPI is necessary for specifically low-sens FPS players.
On June 16 2010 06:38 boesthius wrote: i might get the mouse, actually - depending on it's size. stevey bby how big is it compared to the deathadder? it's looking like it's roughly the size of a g3, but i can't tell even by going to the razer site. i'm using a deathadder right now because i have gigantic viking hands.
i think i'll stay with my oldass keyboard though + Show Spoiler +
smaller than a deathadder. slightly larger than a US salmosa
Does the keyboard atleast feature the usual USB ~6-7 key roll over for the wasd block of the keyboard so it can be used in other games.
And for some sc2 ums's which could be using the keyboard. The reason why i like my old old G15(which half the lighting already died lol imma pop it open and see if i can replace the leds soon) is becuase although it's only about a 5-6 key roll over + modifier it works all over the keyboard pretty much covering about every key combination at least that i've tired.
Which is usually more then just covering the wasd block razer that tends to do.
On June 16 2010 05:27 Snowfield wrote: rofl, different APM colors hahahahaha, i hate razer, their shit looks so cubey
does the headset automatically start spewing out Kpop when you hit 200+ APM?
hahahahaha damn i better tell them to include this
please do, it will make an incentive for me to actually try and get past 100 apm.
I agree with the multi-colored rainbow keyboard. Strobe lights anyone? That would trip the shit out of me. FakeSteve you must tell them to include it!
I can see it now
APM 0 black 15 purple 30 dark blue 40 light blue 50 green 60 light green 80 yellow 100 orange 125 bright orange 155 red 200 bright red 250 RAINBOW BEAM!!! With a Korean voiceover chanting perfect, great, bad or quit now.
meanwhile I'm laughing from afar, god forbid they invent touch screen interface that is inter-active (non-flat) and you can control units by waving your hands in the air in a specific fashion with complex flank maneuvers... or a neural interface where you can control everything with your brain instead of using a mouse and keyboard... what then? LOL...
So just because we've invented cars, we should abolish all running/cycling competitions?
There is a little app on the Razer site that allows you to compare the sizes and feature set of different mice. Looks like the new mouse isn't uploaded yet, but it will be eventually.
On June 16 2010 05:27 Snowfield wrote: rofl, different APM colors hahahahaha, i hate razer, their shit looks so cubey
does the headset automatically start spewing out Kpop when you hit 200+ APM?
hahahahaha damn i better tell them to include this
please do, it will make an incentive for me to actually try and get past 100 apm.
I agree with the multi-colored rainbow keyboard. Strobe lights anyone? That would trip the shit out of me. FakeSteve you must tell them to include it!
I can see it now
APM 0 black 15 purple 30 dark blue 40 light blue 50 green 60 light green 80 yellow 100 orange 125 bright orange 155 red 200 bright red 250 RAINBOW BEAM!!! With a Korean voiceover chanting perfect, great, bad or quit now.
you forgot...
the rainbow unicorn attack theme song starts to play
On June 16 2010 05:27 Snowfield wrote: rofl, different APM colors hahahahaha, i hate razer, their shit looks so cubey
does the headset automatically start spewing out Kpop when you hit 200+ APM?
hahahahaha damn i better tell them to include this
please do, it will make an incentive for me to actually try and get past 100 apm.
I agree with the multi-colored rainbow keyboard. Strobe lights anyone? That would trip the shit out of me. FakeSteve you must tell them to include it!
I can see it now
APM 0 black 15 purple 30 dark blue 40 light blue 50 green 60 light green 80 yellow 100 orange 125 bright orange 155 red 200 bright red 250 RAINBOW BEAM!!! With a Korean voiceover chanting perfect, great, bad or quit now.
you forgot...
the rainbow unicorn attack theme song starts to play
I was going to mention it, but then I knew someone else would
On June 16 2010 02:24 holy_war wrote: A high dpi mouse is very important for FPS's
no it isn't :<
It is for low sens players.
Once again, you're wrong. Low sensitivity players using high DPI mice would be contradictory. An FPS player uses low DPI low sensitivity, and if they want to increase their sens they do it in game not by getting a whole new mouse.
Go ask any professional counterstrike player what mouse they prefer a 5600 dpi mouse, or a 400 dpi mouse. In fact you can go on most teams websites and look at which mice they use, and none of them are high dpi mice.
You don't know anything about FPS gaming if you think that they use 5600 dpi mice for precision.
On June 16 2010 02:24 holy_war wrote: A high dpi mouse is very important for FPS's
no it isn't :<
It is for low sens players.
Once again, you're wrong. Low sensitivity players using high DPI mice would be contradictory. An FPS player uses low DPI low sensitivity, and if they want to increase their sens they do it in game not by getting a whole new mouse.
Go ask any professional counterstrike player what mouse they prefer a 5600 dpi mouse, or a 400 dpi mouse. In fact you can go on most teams websites and look at which mice they use, and none of them are high dpi mice.
You don't know anything about FPS gaming if you think that they use 5600 dpi mice for precision.
ZlaSHeR's right. FPS is a whole different breed. I had to buy two different mouses to play both.
I think I will just buy the mouse. I also need to get a mouse pad because I don't have one. Keyboard HHHUUUUUGE waist of money. so is head set. I bought mine for 15 dollars at walmart and it works fine
Also for those who talk about mice and fps teams which mice they use. Yeah depends on their style of play, but usually sponsored teams are required to show off their sponsored gear. For example team eg rocks a lot of steelseries stuff (The Xai which has a high dpi setting, but most people don't max out). I've yet to hear someone use more than 1600 dpi though in the competitive fps scene.
FakeSteve: If you could get Razer to make a non-bling version of the Spectre mouse, that would be great (basically, Abyssus + 2 side buttons for right handers). Try not to increase weight or size.
I like the layout of the keyboard, it's hard to find a simple keyboard with illumination that doesn't have a billion extra keys and still has regular keys instead of laptop keys.
On June 16 2010 08:19 Sputty wrote: I like the layout of the keyboard, it's hard to find a simple keyboard with illumination that doesn't have a billion extra keys and still has regular keys instead of laptop keys.
Saitek Eclipse II if you want a cheap option that does all of what you said. It's an awesome keyboard. the only extra keys are the few in the top right corner which don't really get in the way of anything. Plus the red backlight on the Eclipse is a lot better than a blue one, which doesn't help with readability in the dark at all for me.
While I dont like most of these designs, this is a way for blizz//activision to make more money that i can get behind. I love cool peripherals and additions (custom xboxes etc) for video games. Keep this up, and give me gateway selection plz! :D
I already had my mind set on a Razer mouse... Don't think it will be the SC2 one though. The imperator or death adder will do.
The headset looks pretty cool, but the price tag is a bit too hefty for me. My turtle beach x1's work just fine.
The keyboard on the other hand, minus all the under glow and apm glow looks promising. I may give this one a try over all the other products. I hope we get some user reviews on them asap.
Overall, what can I say, its either gonna be a hit or miss.
Those look pretty stupid compared to even a G15 keyboard and their gaming line of mice. Hell, even my Microsoft intellemouse explorer from 2002 looks like it would feel better that cube.
I dont know why blizzard is marketing all these stupid products now.... oh right, they are more concerned about money then about fixing the problems with their game. (I am still bitter about no chatrooms)
Well since no one else here seems to want them... if I get my old Razer stuff sold I will give my impressions. I just listed my old stuff on craigslists so I'm crossing my fingers. I'd like the keyboard the most.
I use a laptop keyboard but I am pretty nooby, and Demuslim says raised keys, maybe I will try a regular keyboard during phase 2 (not a $130 one though)
On June 16 2010 09:31 DeMusliM wrote: 50g of acceleration Erm, how much is this - and can it be turned off?
I'm pretty sure that means the mouse wont start to skip/mess up until you accelerate it at more than 50g's, not that there's default acceleration in the mouse.
On June 16 2010 09:31 DeMusliM wrote: 50g of acceleration Erm, how much is this - and can it be turned off?
I'm pretty sure that means the mouse wont start to skip/mess up until you accelerate it at more than 50g's, not that there's default acceleration in the mouse.
haha if thats true thats helarious that it is so high
Wow, these look absolutely terrible. When they mentioned SC2 gear I thought they would be designed around practicality for competition, but these just seem like grossly over-priced pieces of crap with a Starcraft theme.
On June 16 2010 09:47 zeuS~ wrote: I've never understood why people buy these high priced mice/keyboards, are they really that much better than the average normal priced ones?
You know your APM is high when you take your eyes off the screen to look at your keyboard and mouse to make sure you spam fast enough.
Those 3 things look awful...
I've never understood why people buy these high priced mice/keyboards, are they really that much better than the average normal priced ones?
Getting a decent mouse is definitely worth it.
Plus Razer is an awesome company, support SC2 as well as other pro games.
I've had a lot of Razer stuff... Breaks like crazy. Their mice have timebombs in them. Mine currently works with a z-axis bug and I've been sending an incredible amount of e-mails (8) in the last 4 days, today they finally told me to RMA it...
Sigh.
Also Look at the microphone frequencies... it's horrible -_-
On June 16 2010 09:47 zeuS~ wrote: I've never understood why people buy these high priced mice/keyboards, are they really that much better than the average normal priced ones?
Because you can't right click with an apple mouse.
On June 16 2010 09:31 DeMusliM wrote: 50g of acceleration Erm, how much is this - and can it be turned off?
I'm pretty sure that means the mouse wont start to skip/mess up until you accelerate it at more than 50g's, not that there's default acceleration in the mouse.
haha if thats true thats helarious that it is so high
I'm not actually that sure it is. 50gs is what a mouse would experience if you took it from 0 speed to 490m/s in one second, or 49m/s in 0.1s. The concern isn't really how fast the mouse ends up moving, but how rapidly it goes from 0m/s to maximum speed - in all honesty, with highly practiced gamers its probably pretty fucking high.
I got my razer sc2 mouse 8 months ago...it's called the salmosa, it was only 20$, and it looks way better for playing sc2 than the "spectre" for 80$
and a 130$ for a keyboard? YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME.
In a game where the most highly regarded equipment by pros are logitech miniob (10$) and the samsung dt-35 (5$ in korea) they come out with a package that costs over 300$. unbelievable. I'll stick to my salmosa, my 30$ sennheiser headset, and generic keyboard.
Well, it says on their website the Abyssus has 15g of acceleration, so was just wondering what this actually means. I'm pretty sure it means acceleration on the mice - but i could be very wrong.
Plus Razer is an awesome company, support SC2 as well as other pro games.
I've had a lot of Razer stuff... Breaks like crazy. Their mice have timebombs in them. Mine currently works with a z-axis bug and I've been sending an incredible amount of e-mails (8) in the last 4 days, today they finally told me to RMA it...
Sigh.
Also Look at the microphone frequencies... it's horrible -_-
I've had a Razer boomslang that's worked for 8+ years now. I've had other razer mouses as well and not one as broken. Same for all my other Razer stuff.
On June 16 2010 10:04 DeMusliM wrote: Well, it says on their website the Abyssus has 15g of acceleration, so was just wondering what this actually means. I'm pretty sure it means acceleration on the mice - but i could be very wrong.
I can tell you its not a default acceleration. Their Deathadder page says 15g accel, and it has no discernable mouse acceleration unless you turn it on in the drivers (its off by default).
Given that I have never caused this thing to skip, though, I have to wonder if 50g isn't actually like 20g of overkill in the best case.
On June 16 2010 10:04 DeMusliM wrote: Well, it says on their website the Abyssus has 15g of acceleration, so was just wondering what this actually means. I'm pretty sure it means acceleration on the mice - but i could be very wrong.
There is no in-built software or hardware mouse acceleration on the Abyssus (I have one) or any other Razer mouse. The acceleration they are talking about is a person physically accelerating the mouse with their hands. In other words, the kind of acceleration a mouse can undergo even if it's not plugged in/if the computer's off.
For RTS, this is an unimportant number. You probably don't use 400 DPI to play SC2.
========Longer Explanation
Let's take the DeathAdder for example (I just googled it and it came up instantly). It has this little spec in the spec list
"60–120 inches per second and 15g of acceleration"
These are parameters that the mouse hardware/software can withstand. The inches per second parameter is generally the speed at which the mouse tracking no longer works properly - the tracking "curve" gets bent and the mouse cursor exhibits odd behavior not necessarily corresponding to hand movement. The acceleration parameter is the same idea. Past 15 g's, the tracking in the mouse will just not work.
If you use a low DPI cursor setting, you are more likely to move your mouse (physically) at a higher velocity. For players that dial down their DPI all the way to play e.g. FPS games with super-low cursor movement, these parameters give them the "physical limits" of the mouse hardware and software. If you use higher DPI settings (1000+), you will probably never have to worry about these unless your screen is the size of a small building.
On June 16 2010 10:25 DooMDash wrote: I don't hold the mouse like its going to run away from me. I could easily see at least the left sides lights.
I don't look at my hands when I play - figure it's more important to look at my screen rather than worry about "APM" when I can gauge my own speed.
The headphones are overpriced but I really like the APM meter on the. Green means you can talk to me, yellows means keep it simple, red means STFU.
I agree.. but I have peripheral vision.. you? I mean, is it that hard to see flashing lights in the corner of your eye?
When I focus on a game my peripheral vision ends at the edge of the screen. Perhaps that's how I got to play high level CS1.6 online and at LANs. When I play something and it's intense I completely shut down the outside. Have you ever played with an APM meter? For 10 seconds I see it and then it just doesn't exist anymore because it's futile as hell.
What if I did see the little light, what good would it do to me? I can estimate my APM if I want to, but I don't need to. What's important is "am I fast enough". Personally I know if I'm going as fast as I can go... It's just there - I'm conscious of it. I don't need a babysitter.
If, when you play SC, you bother yourself with little lights so you can gauge your speed, you're missing out man. Game sense is good for you.
ima get the keyboard because i need a new one anyways and maybe the headset its kinda over priced but im sticking to my g5 mouse i still think its the best.
On June 16 2010 10:45 FreeCandyInVan wrote: ima get the keyboard because i need a new one anyways and maybe the headset its kinda over priced but im sticking to my g5 mouse i still think its the best.
Dude, don't get a keyboard. Gaming keyboards are a complete waste of money, it'll just mark you as a sucker.
Do people actually buy this stuff....? 330$ for headset,mouse and Keyboard. I got all that under 100$ and its good quality BUT OMG it doesnt have that APM technology so i better replace it.
On June 16 2010 10:25 DooMDash wrote: I don't hold the mouse like its going to run away from me. I could easily see at least the left sides lights.
I don't look at my hands when I play - figure it's more important to look at my screen rather than worry about "APM" when I can gauge my own speed.
The headphones are overpriced but I really like the APM meter on the. Green means you can talk to me, yellows means keep it simple, red means STFU.
I agree.. but I have peripheral vision.. you? I mean, is it that hard to see flashing lights in the corner of your eye?
When I focus on a game my peripheral vision ends at the edge of the screen. Perhaps that's how I got to play high level CS1.6 online and at LANs. When I play something and it's intense I completely shut down the outside. Have you ever played with an APM meter? For 10 seconds I see it and then it just doesn't exist anymore because it's futile as hell.
What if I did see the little light, what good would it do to me? I can estimate my APM if I want to, but I don't need to. What's important is "am I fast enough". Personally I know if I'm going as fast as I can go... It's just there - I'm conscious of it. I don't need a babysitter.
If, when you play SC, you bother yourself with little lights so you can gauge your speed, you're missing out man. Game sense is good for you.
I've never even attempted to have an APM counter on my screen. I really am not that into APM, but its cool, to me. Just my opinion. I don't mind paying extra money for cool little features I guess.
On June 16 2010 10:25 DooMDash wrote: I don't hold the mouse like its going to run away from me. I could easily see at least the left sides lights.
I don't look at my hands when I play - figure it's more important to look at my screen rather than worry about "APM" when I can gauge my own speed.
The headphones are overpriced but I really like the APM meter on the. Green means you can talk to me, yellows means keep it simple, red means STFU.
I agree.. but I have peripheral vision.. you? I mean, is it that hard to see flashing lights in the corner of your eye?
When I focus on a game my peripheral vision ends at the edge of the screen. Perhaps that's how I got to play high level CS1.6 online and at LANs. When I play something and it's intense I completely shut down the outside. Have you ever played with an APM meter? For 10 seconds I see it and then it just doesn't exist anymore because it's futile as hell.
What if I did see the little light, what good would it do to me? I can estimate my APM if I want to, but I don't need to. What's important is "am I fast enough". Personally I know if I'm going as fast as I can go... It's just there - I'm conscious of it. I don't need a babysitter.
If, when you play SC, you bother yourself with little lights so you can gauge your speed, you're missing out man. Game sense is good for you.
I've never even attempted to have an APM counter on my screen. I really am not that into APM, but its cool, to me. Just my opinion. I don't mind paying extra money for cool little features I guess.
On June 16 2010 10:25 DooMDash wrote: I don't hold the mouse like its going to run away from me. I could easily see at least the left sides lights.
I don't look at my hands when I play - figure it's more important to look at my screen rather than worry about "APM" when I can gauge my own speed.
The headphones are overpriced but I really like the APM meter on the. Green means you can talk to me, yellows means keep it simple, red means STFU.
I agree.. but I have peripheral vision.. you? I mean, is it that hard to see flashing lights in the corner of your eye?
When I focus on a game my peripheral vision ends at the edge of the screen. Perhaps that's how I got to play high level CS1.6 online and at LANs. When I play something and it's intense I completely shut down the outside. Have you ever played with an APM meter? For 10 seconds I see it and then it just doesn't exist anymore because it's futile as hell.
What if I did see the little light, what good would it do to me? I can estimate my APM if I want to, but I don't need to. What's important is "am I fast enough". Personally I know if I'm going as fast as I can go... It's just there - I'm conscious of it. I don't need a babysitter.
If, when you play SC, you bother yourself with little lights so you can gauge your speed, you're missing out man. Game sense is good for you.
I've never even attempted to have an APM counter on my screen. I really am not that into APM, but its cool, to me. Just my opinion. I don't mind paying extra money for cool little features I guess.
CS 1.6 ftl btw. It was all about cs 1.0-1.3.
Pff Wanna duke it out? lol
You're just too old!
Yeah I quit at 1.3 so some how I doubt that would be fair. . I do occasionally come back and play until I realize how lame the scene is in comparison. Speaking of CS. I was playing CS 1.0 and beyond with IN-Agent911 and a bunch of other starcraft players on Icantwin. Talk about great times....
On June 16 2010 05:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: there'll be a system in place to prevent the use of macros in tournaments
Why would they even bother when macros don't actually do anything useful? It would be like banning boxing gloves.
This is such a terrible analogy... hahaha LOL the more I'm thinking about it the worse it's getting hahahaha
I should have been more clear. I made it sound like it had something to do with the sport of boxing. What I meant was that there would be no point in banning the wearing of boxing gloves during starcraft tournaments because not only do they not provide an advantage, they actually put you at a disadvantage. Most of the concerns about macros is based on being able to "spam units" as zerg. But you can already spam units as zerg without a macro by holding down the production key, and you don't need to bind 9 extra buttons (one for each unit).
Other speculated macro ideas are either implausible or impractical. People say shit like "omg you could macro an entire 6pool build and the macro would play the game for you! Not fair!" Not only is this impossible (to even have a hope of pulling this off you'd need an actual macro program that records mouse positions. The supplied macro creation software can't do this), but why the fuck would you even want to do that since you may have to react to what your opponent is doing?
If you're willing to pay for headphones you should get MDR-V6's. Easily the most clear and responsive headphones I've ever had. They don't have a mic, but what's stopping you from forking over $10 with the mony you saved for a mic you can just wear around your neck?
Granted, it doesn't come with APM LIGHTING TECHNOLOGY. I'll stick with my G5, MDRs and $10 keyboard any day.
rofl at the people actually considering buying this crap. That's more embarassing than the APM technology.
Yeah I quit at 1.3 so some how I doubt that would be fair. . I do occasionally come back and play until I realize how lame the scene is in comparison. Speaking of CS. I was playing CS 1.0 and beyond with IN-Agent911 and a bunch of other starcraft players on Icantwin. Talk about great times....
agent was so bad at FPS. He was worse than cherry which is saying a lot.
Yeah I quit at 1.3 so some how I doubt that would be fair. . I do occasionally come back and play until I realize how lame the scene is in comparison. Speaking of CS. I was playing CS 1.0 and beyond with IN-Agent911 and a bunch of other starcraft players on Icantwin. Talk about great times....
agent was so bad at FPS. He was worse than cherry which is saying a lot.
Good or not ICW was a blast beyond any other server I had ever played on. Not only that but Agent wrote a pretty cool stats system, with awards every so often, long before CS stats were common.
APM extremes in BW really didn't mean that much because afaik there was never a standardized interval to calculate APM over (aside from the whole game, but I guarantee he didn't maintain that over a whole game).
APM extremes in BW really didn't mean that much because afaik there was never a standardized interval to calculate APM over (aside from the whole game, but I guarantee he didn't maintain that over a whole game).
Yeah it's just peak for a match he was in previous. 410 is average through the match.
I think apm technology would make me play worse because I would try to play at a speed slow enough that the mouse and keyboard are the same color, and also I would play slow then slowly faster so I get to see all the pretty colors
mmmm... so... i dont see why they had to lie about the players' apm on their website... i would've liked to see different things that were customized for the rts community... a keyboard for example that has numbers 7890 on top of 123456 to make em all reachable and actually HELP... the apm technology though... wouldn't surprise me if next they have a mouse that spits fire when you're going too fast, but it'd still be worthless. (but it'd be cooler than xmas lights all over the place)
After investigating keyboards for a while, I'd stay the fuck away from this one (or, indeed, anything razer makes) and I say that as a die-hard razer fanboy. Steelseries is coming out with a ~$100 mechanical keyboard soon with (apparently) complete n-key rollover and all the other benefits of a mechanical keyboard (SUPERIOR FOR MECH PLAY LOLS).
Why did I buy a lycosa, fuck.
[edit] For that matter, if you're going to drop $120 on a headset you might as well drop another $20-40 and get the Sennheiser PC350s (~$120 on amazon atm, $160 normally).
Pretty sure that mouse will end up being worse than a Deathadder too.
[edit2] Some of the earlier discussion on mouse DPI has confused me. My understanding was that DPI is a measurement of, basically, how many counts a mouse will return over an inch of movement. Increased DPI/CPI will thus result (it sounds like) in increased accuracy for extremely small movements, increased accuracy in stopping the mouse - in both cases, it also sounds like the impact will scale with how far your given sensitivity is from a 1-1 match between pixels and counts.
This does not seem to be the opinion of others here, though, so what did I get wrong?
On June 16 2010 15:00 kzn wrote: This does not seem to be the opinion of others here, though, so what did I get wrong?
You're forgetting that your mouse having increased sensitivity doesn't improve your hand eye coordination. Meaning, even if your mouse can detect atom-level shifts, your hand's not going to have that kind of accuracy.
I'm half asleep mind you, so if that's not coherent, sorry. But yeah, dpi's not the limiting factor anymore at that level, you just can't put that high dpi to use anymore because you can't move your hand at with enough accuracy for it to make a difference.
Hah, interesting releases. I just bought a new Deathadder and am happy with it. My G15 keyboard is great, but I am in need of a new headset. For that price however, it'd be a vanity purchase either way.
Anyone have any personal recommendations on some good wireless headsets?
On June 16 2010 09:47 zeuS~ wrote: I've never understood why people buy these high priced mice/keyboards, are they really that much better than the average normal priced ones?
Because you can't right click with an apple mouse.
Uhm, yes you can. Two buttons have been standard in their mice for awhile now.
Also, reading all the posts in this thread chastising this razer "hardware" has been entertaining, thank you
I was waiting for that stuff becaus i need a new keyboard and want a mechanical one.... i hoped they would really speak with some rts gamer and over something as simple but high quality as the steelseries g7.... well maybe i now really buy the filco one. i really like razer but i wont spent 120bucks for some non mechanical peace of plastic with shiny lights and shit...
for anyone who conciders buying a new mouse i can only recoment the razer imperator! best purchase i made in a long time!
On June 16 2010 03:01 groms wrote: I got a lachesis but I hope they can patch the firmware to include APM TECHNOGY. :>
Heh I also have a Lachesis and have grown quite fond of it. It was weird looking when I first got it baut now every other mouse just feels outdated in terms of design.
I don't need more lights and shit flashing while I'm playing SC2. A nice steady soft blue light would just be fine. I will assume that this feature will be optional.
I don't need a constant reminder of how shitty my APM is. I still have nightmares about the chaos warnings.
If only there was a way of turning the APM functions on and off. I don't want to have starcraft 2 open in the background and then be typing to a friend and suddenly having the keyboard light up various colors because i'm typing to fast . Actually to be honest I don't know if it would do that, but it would still be annoying to no end if it's a function that I can't turn off.
You can turn the lights off on current Razer stuff, so I see no reason you can't on these. To me this is kind of like buying clothes. Sure, thrift store clothes do the job, but how many of you just shop at the thrift store? I am a Razer fan, and though I can get another mouse which I'd probably be able to play the game equally as well with for half the price, there are things I like about the Razer mouse that the other mouse does not offer. The APM thing is a cool little feature. It's not game changing in any sense, but it is neat. I guess if you can't understand spending that much on the stuff, don't buy it. I know I think its cool .
On June 16 2010 17:42 Zerksys wrote: If only there was a way of turning the APM functions on and off. I don't want to have starcraft 2 open in the background and then be typing to a friend and suddenly having the keyboard light up various colors because i'm typing to fast . Actually to be honest I don't know if it would do that, but it would still be annoying to no end if it's a function that I can't turn off.
You don't think a rave happening on your desk while you write your friend is cool?
mx518 would be nice if it would allow macros... It was made in a generation where browsers had no tabs. I want my fucking ctrl+tab and ctrl+shift+tab bound to my thumb buttons, damnit.
1. This effectively raises the price of the game by hundreds... how are you going to seriously compete with someone who has a mouse that lights up when their base is under attack? This is so imbalanced that you might as well raise the cost of the game by $200 and include the mouse/keyboard in the package.
2. Those of you complaining about price: the type of SC2 player that you hate will buy this, and make a lot of money for Razer, who (since they've done it in the past) may sponsor SC2 tournaments with these profits.
The mouse should send an electric shock every time APM goes below 160. Also the keyboard should heat up like a hot potato so that you have to press the keys faster or get burned. And the headset should play a recording of your mom moaning.
will buy the keyboard when some hypefag buys it and then sucks so hard at the game that he will sell it to me on ebay for 40$.
really like the looks but there is no way in hell ill spend so much money for a gaming headset (i have quality -> dj stuff) or a keyboard . mouse maybe but my 5 year old mx500 still does its job super well.
still sick that one of that things costs more then my mouse+keyboard+headset ...
On June 16 2010 05:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: you guys will definitely not laugh at the APM lighting when you see it in action, playing in a dark room is massively fucking cool with this thing hahahaha.
Back when I played Counter-Strike, I agree a top of the line mouse is worth the purchase, but for an RTS!?!... I'm skeptical. I suppose if I had to pick one, I'd go with the keyboard, since I've already got a Razer mouse, but that triple digit keyboard price tag seems ridiculous. Problem is if these are limited time only products, then I'd hate to have to wait, but oh well.
If you want a Razer mouse for playing SC2, everyone knows you need a Razer Salmosa or Razer Salmosa mini (asian edition) - they are extremely light, extremely good shape, very very good feet on the bottom (hard, smooth plastic) and have a great laser sensor.
Excellent mice - the one linked in this article has a bad looking shape and more of a sales gimmick to dopey people TBH.
Since I play on a lappy, I have no need for a keyboard. I use a G5 which feels great and has been through many trials and tribulations. I have no need for this stuff, although a keyboard that lights up makes the inner geek excited, I know I don't need any of that stuff.
Sigh, I remember when Razer were a respectable brand, back when all they had was the Boomslang and it was a lot more than an overpriced overstyled gimmick.
hey guys we are making a specialized mouse and keyboard for rts players!! no one on the market has done that!! what do rts players need?
they need
more
LED LIGHTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
ps razer, thanks for the salmosa. i mean, i know you cancelled it and replaced it with a total piece of shit, but it is the only gaming mouse geared towards rts players that is actually good for rts
thats so funny lol.... Imagine flash using one of those things, and when he hits 400 apm, bright light fills the room, and you hear a hymn sung by angels, before a terrible vengeance strikes the opponent and burns him like zerglings in colossus fire.
Can anyone who knows tell me if the headset uses a external USB soundcard or just your onboard? because i quite like the design of it, but it has to be a external soundcard.
(I listen to music on my speakers and game sounds/vent in my headphones)
like if people watch the color of their keyboard or mouse del while playing sc. I will always be impressed by all those companies can invent to do more money ...
On June 17 2010 02:44 ilnp wrote:ps razer, thanks for the salmosa. i mean, i know you cancelled it and replaced it with a total piece of shit, but it is the only gaming mouse geared towards rts players that is actually good for rts
On that note, what did people think about the Krait?
On June 17 2010 02:44 ilnp wrote:ps razer, thanks for the salmosa. i mean, i know you cancelled it and replaced it with a total piece of shit, but it is the only gaming mouse geared towards rts players that is actually good for rts
On that note, what did people think about the Krait?
On June 17 2010 18:24 NoxiousNoodles wrote: surely you cant see your lighting light up on the headphones when you are playing. Obviously they are just for showing off to others.
Well most things that are related to gaming and have LED-lights in them are made to show off to other people.
i feel like if they wanted to make a starcraft keyboard they should be race specific and try to localize all the hotkeys or something. also i feel like one of the most important things too would be a braile like engravings on the keys. i dont know about you guys but i occasionally miss the keys. just some thoughts but.
but i think razer should call the line the battle.net 2.0 series, as apm tech is about as useful as facebook integration :O
On June 17 2010 19:16 DooMDash wrote: Day9 said he liked them at E3. Glad I'm not alone.
lol that doesnt say much, (no offense day 9). I mean something would really have to suck for day 9 not to like it, it's always sunny on day9.tv. also price tag 330$ for the set thats pretty steep.
I've always been the same way, willing to pay a little extra for things I love. That's probably why I had bought some $3000 volks for my car. Sure you can get other wheels that do the same job for 1/3 the price, but hey, I'm OK with paying more for high quality / unique styling .
Anyway I found some better pictures that make them look even yummier :
I don't know about the mouse (looks uncomfortable compared to the Razer Diamondback I currently use) and keyboard (I have a thing for stock keyboards), but the headset is definitely stylish and looks like it would cover the whole ear like Creative's World of WarCraft headset...
...I guess I'm going to make room for all three of them in my spending plans!
On June 18 2010 04:12 Bibdy wrote: ONE BUTTON on the side? Permission to burn Razor to the ground.
Nope it's 2, the picture just isn't very clear.
I plan to buy this mouse, it's very hard to find a good small mouse that has more than 3 buttons. Although I'm going to wait until it drops to around $40 in price.
Wow awesome, I already have my razer keyboard, but I will be buying the mouse and headphones as soon as I get my next check. I have never had a problem with any of the razer gear, except my last pair of head phones from them died.
They're all named after terran units... does this mean we get a zerg version with heart of the swarm and a toss version with legacy of the xel-naga? haha i want the toss mouse.
I have Megalodon's first of all, which are equal quality stereo headphones, with simulated 7.1 (it works very well in games that output 7.1, SC2 being one of them). I have a good-condition Razer Copperhead, and even if I were to replace I don't particularly like the appearance of the SC2 mouse, it seems like it would be uncomfortable to hold. The keyboard on the other hand looks quite nice but really seems too expensive too me for a simple 1000hz polling keyboard with some lights.
On June 18 2010 08:06 Smu wrote: lol @ prices. Razer has to realize gamers usually aren't rich people that have 120 bucks to throw away on something that costs 15.
Haha, are you serious?
Look at the price of top end video cards. some idiot is buying that stuff
On June 18 2010 08:06 Smu wrote: lol @ prices. Razer has to realize gamers usually aren't rich people that have 120 bucks to throw away on something that costs 15.
Oddly enough, gamers usually have enough money to throw away $60 on a game that should cost $0. Most new games aren't worth their price, and if you really did want to play a game that badly, there's always ...uh...less than legal ways to get it.
On June 18 2010 08:06 Smu wrote: lol @ prices. Razer has to realize gamers usually aren't rich people that have 120 bucks to throw away on something that costs 15.
Oddly enough, gamers usually have enough money to throw away $60 on a game that should cost $0. Most new games aren't worth their price, and if you really did want to play a game that badly, there's always ...uh...less than legal ways to get it.
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Have fun with single player campaign. The rest of us will be on multiplayer where there is even a point in paying the $60.
"n00b."
If you haven't been following the news, they have yet to crack multiplayer for niether competitive nor illegitimate purposes. Unless you care to crack it yourself, have at it. The only hope we have is if that lan edition gets leaked.
3 games in my life I paid money for: HL1 orange box (+cs/tfc) HL2/CSS/DODS Starcraft 2.
Shared a key for SCBW when blizz still allowed it on bnet and iccup after they restricted 1 simultaneous login per key.
ps razer, thanks for the salmosa. i mean, i know you cancelled it and replaced it with a total piece of shit, but it is the only gaming mouse geared towards rts players that is actually good for rts
I heard about this - what a joke! What the fuck is with Razer? They killed the Exactmat (aluminium base, very nice mat) they killed the Salmosa - it's ridiculous - both exceptional products.
i have no idea why someone would waste there money on razers products. its way overkill...
of course if ppl are retarded enought to give someone like orb 150$ donations out of the blue then i guess u can spend it on something like this. of course its alot smarter to buy something with ur 150$ rather then donating it to a random person that plays his guitar on a stream and rages at everything.
On June 18 2010 08:06 Smu wrote: lol @ prices. Razer has to realize gamers usually aren't rich people that have 120 bucks to throw away on something that costs 15.
Oddly enough, gamers usually have enough money to throw away $60 on a game that should cost $0. Most new games aren't worth their price, and if you really did want to play a game that badly, there's always ...uh...less than legal ways to get it.
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Have fun with single player campaign. The rest of us will be on multiplayer where there is even a point in paying the $60.
"n00b."
If you haven't been following the news, they have yet to crack multiplayer for niether competitive nor illegitimate purposes. Unless you care to crack it yourself, have at it. The only hope we have is if that lan edition gets leaked.
3 games in my life I paid money for: HL1 orange box (+cs/tfc) HL2/CSS/DODS Starcraft 2.
Shared a key for SCBW when blizz still allowed it on bnet and iccup after they restricted 1 simultaneous login per key.
Do you think you are some kind of hard-ass for doing that? It's people like you who are killing the PC gaming industry, and one day you will kill it.
On June 18 2010 08:06 Smu wrote: lol @ prices. Razer has to realize gamers usually aren't rich people that have 120 bucks to throw away on something that costs 15.
Oddly enough, gamers usually have enough money to throw away $60 on a game that should cost $0. Most new games aren't worth their price, and if you really did want to play a game that badly, there's always ...uh...less than legal ways to get it.
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Have fun with single player campaign. The rest of us will be on multiplayer where there is even a point in paying the $60.
"n00b."
If you haven't been following the news, they have yet to crack multiplayer for niether competitive nor illegitimate purposes. Unless you care to crack it yourself, have at it. The only hope we have is if that lan edition gets leaked.
3 games in my life I paid money for: HL1 orange box (+cs/tfc) HL2/CSS/DODS Starcraft 2.
Shared a key for SCBW when blizz still allowed it on bnet and iccup after they restricted 1 simultaneous login per key.
Do you think you are some kind of hard-ass for doing that? It's people like you who are killing the PC gaming industry, and one day you will kill it.
The Headset looks really comfy and the keyboard looks cool aswell but a square mouse really won't work. If it was cheap i'd purchase it, but i wouldn't pay up just cause it looks good :/
Rofl @ "Game Alerts" on the website. Just in case you were staring at your mouse and not the game. Perhaps this is the first step towards playing sc2 without a screen at all.
On June 18 2010 08:06 Smu wrote: lol @ prices. Razer has to realize gamers usually aren't rich people that have 120 bucks to throw away on something that costs 15.
Oddly enough, gamers usually have enough money to throw away $60 on a game that should cost $0. Most new games aren't worth their price, and if you really did want to play a game that badly, there's always ...uh...less than legal ways to get it.
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
Have fun with single player campaign. The rest of us will be on multiplayer where there is even a point in paying the $60.
"n00b."
If you haven't been following the news, they have yet to crack multiplayer for niether competitive nor illegitimate purposes. Unless you care to crack it yourself, have at it. The only hope we have is if that lan edition gets leaked.
3 games in my life I paid money for: HL1 orange box (+cs/tfc) HL2/CSS/DODS Starcraft 2.
Shared a key for SCBW when blizz still allowed it on bnet and iccup after they restricted 1 simultaneous login per key.
Do you think you are some kind of hard-ass for doing that? It's people like you who are killing the PC gaming industry, and one day you will kill it.
Yea I hope you're directing your comment towards the guy I quoted in that post. Also, only paying for games that are actually worth the money such as the titles I mentioned and possibly a few others will push the industry to bother releasing quality games *cough* unlike EA *cough* and promote better business models from game production companies. Every year tons of games are released and even if they're crap, people actually bother paying for them. If everyone pirated everything but the ones worth paying for and playing on multiplayer, we would have more quality titles like the games I actually paid for since the bullshit releases will simply get put out of business.
On June 16 2010 02:24 holy_war wrote: A high dpi mouse is very important for FPS's but I don't think it makes nearly that much difference in a RTS game
Have you ever played an FPS? This is the most backwards statement you could make about DPI and its use in games. In FPS you generally want as low DPI as possible while still being able to move around properly. RTS is the one competitive genre where a reasonably "high" DPI is actually very useful (so you can tweak it to have very exact and precise mouse control).
Yes I want a different DPI for FPS and RTS games because my mousing techniques are completely different. Also, when I play The Sims I want my DPI to be a negative number since that would help me to accomplish my goals best.
Were you saying that FPS games don't require precise control? Or maybe you're referring to the sensitivity shift between the various DPI settings. I think that you just haven't discovered the secret, well-hidden option of tweaking your mouse speed in a game.
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To clarify the silliness of the quoted statement:
The proportion of hand movement and mouse movement is committed to muscle memory. You judge the mousing distance you need to clear on the screen and move your hand accordingly. A higher DPS (better optic resolution) allows for more stability in that proportion since it can image a significantly more uniform mousing surface, free of irregularities. A surface irregularity would cause you to move your mouse the correct amount of space, as dictated by mouse memory, but fall short of the target on the screen.
(Edit: just realized that it's not out yet) I was going to get a new keyboard and am getting a boatload of money in a few days so I was considering grabbing the keyboard it just to up my nerd cred. Mouse looks lame though, and there are much better headsets for that price. I'm not going to lie the keyboard looks pretty cool though. Have Astro a40s from my console days and a g500 because the g500 kicks ass, so if I could get a cool-equipment trifecta I'd be pretty happy.
i want it, except for the headset. i dont really see the point of needing a headset except for LAN(joke lol) tournaments. or playing @ a pc cafe type thing.
ofcourse i will wait for the reviews but it looks dope
The headphones and mouse just look way too big. The Keyboard does look cool. But everything is way way way too expensive. Also playing in the dark and having lights go off when I am trying to focus would be annoying.
They also need to include mini stickers you can put on your peripherals for something ridiculous like $20, because like they add like +10 APM per sticker yo!
nuff why is this so unfair? :'( so much stuff to buy and so few money to spend. just barely can buy now collectors. i will just buy the mousepad on gamestop with kerrigan and zeratul =/
Meh I need a new keyboard anyway. and my mouse is a behemoth (the WoW gaming mouse is a joke and stupid uncomfortable). That headset looks like it would be painful to war after an hour though.
On July 29 2010 22:40 HaN- wrote: I'm curious to know if the.Spectre mouse is good for me. I'm using a Microsoft Basic Optical mouse and i feel it's time to replace it.
I sincerely doubt it will beat the mx518 for price/performance but nothing really does
WHEN THE HELL DO THESE THINGS COME OUT I WANT THEM
Well not the Banshee because that's a horribly overpriced piece of crap. Also, why in the hell would you want APM lights on the sides of your head where you can't see them?
On July 29 2010 22:59 youngminii wrote: WHEN THE HELL DO THESE THINGS COME OUT I WANT THEM
Well not the Banshee because that's a horribly overpriced piece of crap. Also, why in the hell would you want APM lights on the sides of your head where you can't see them?
On July 29 2010 22:59 youngminii wrote: WHEN THE HELL DO THESE THINGS COME OUT I WANT THEM
Well not the Banshee because that's a horribly overpriced piece of crap. Also, why in the hell would you want APM lights on the sides of your head where you can't see them?
who buy such a ****** dont want to see his apm self. you only buy this stuff to show other people so that they can laugh over you....
On July 29 2010 22:59 youngminii wrote: WHEN THE HELL DO THESE THINGS COME OUT I WANT THEM
Well not the Banshee because that's a horribly overpriced piece of crap. Also, why in the hell would you want APM lights on the sides of your head where you can't see them?
who buy such a ****** dont want to see his apm self. you only buy this stuff to show other people so that they can laugh over you....
On July 29 2010 22:59 youngminii wrote: WHEN THE HELL DO THESE THINGS COME OUT I WANT THEM
Well not the Banshee because that's a horribly overpriced piece of crap. Also, why in the hell would you want APM lights on the sides of your head where you can't see them?
who buy such a ****** dont want to see his apm self. you only buy this stuff to show other people so that they can laugh over you....
I'm a sucker for flashy things, that's why I play Protoss.
I'm hoping for new gear when the other expansions come out. I want an overlord as a helmet, holding a drone keyboard as a shield and wielding a larvae mouse as my sword.
If you can't afford a couple hundred bucks to spend on a set that will probably last you years, try getting a job. Hell, I'm sure you could panhandle that much in a week. Collecting cans and bottles is probably a good idea for you too. Also, try asking your mom for an increase in allowance.
Or maybe you're just a "discerning consumer". Give yourself a pat on the back for your superior cost/benefit analysis, and go eat your $0.03/lb cardboard noodle dinner.
On August 04 2010 01:53 ToxNub wrote: If you can't afford a couple hundred bucks to spend on a set that will probably last you years, try getting a job. Hell, I'm sure you could panhandle that much in a week. Collecting cans and bottles is probably a good idea for you too. Also, try asking your mom for an increase in allowance.
Or maybe you're just a "discerning consumer". Give yourself a pat on the back for your superior cost/benefit analysis, and go eat your $0.03/lb cardboard noodle dinner.
Or you could just buy a standard intellimouse 3.0 for 25$ or heck the 11$ microsoft optical mouse which pretty much every quake pro uses because it is the best mouse in the world. Lazer mice are terrible and overrated compared to optical mice.
1. headset, for that kind of money i can get a 5000 times better headset, to bad i'll be missing out on crappy APM lights.
102db? that's what you get with 30bucks, seriously.
2. keyboard, oh no i'm so not paying that much for a standard keyboard with no anti ghosting, can APM lights really be that expensive?
3. the mouse, why would i buy a square mouse for that much when there's so many ergonomic ones that fit your hands perfect and costs only 30-50 bucks? WHY?
3. the mouse, why would i buy a square mouse for that much when there's so many ergonomic ones that fit your hands perfect and costs only 30-50 bucks? WHY?
thanks but no thanks.
this complaint isn't really valid, small mice can be really comfortable for you depending on how you grip your mice in the claw and bulk/ergonomics can get in the way then
3. the mouse, why would i buy a square mouse for that much when there's so many ergonomic ones that fit your hands perfect and costs only 30-50 bucks? WHY?
thanks but no thanks.
this complaint isn't really valid, small mice can be really comfortable for you depending on how you grip your mice in the claw and bulk/ergonomics can get in the way then
i concur the lachesis is the best mouse and the one I still use to date. It really is quite amazing, but is quite big for most peoples tastes.
On August 04 2010 02:21 Megalisk wrote: I was banned when this was first posted but now I can say, APM TECHNOLOGYYYYYUUUUUUU. Razer sure knows how to market to stupid little kids lol.
On August 04 2010 02:21 Megalisk wrote: I was banned when this was first posted but now I can say, APM TECHNOLOGYYYYYUUUUUUU. Razer sure knows how to market to stupid little kids lol.
Like day9? **rolls eyes**
day9 didn't waste his money on it, he got it for free.
3. the mouse, why would i buy a square mouse for that much when there's so many ergonomic ones that fit your hands perfect and costs only 30-50 bucks? WHY?
thanks but no thanks.
this complaint isn't really valid, small mice can be really comfortable for you depending on how you grip your mice in the claw and bulk/ergonomics can get in the way then
i concur the lachesis is the best mouse and the one I still use to date. It really is quite amazing, but is quite big for most peoples tastes.
How does anecdotal evidence do anything. You are not even arguing his point. And the Lachesis isn't even really ergonomic. None of Razer's mice are.
He's talking about how you grip the mouse, either a claw or a palm grip. Claw grips aren't affected by the shape of the mouse in either performance or comfort.
Although the hardware is interesting, I think it's too over-the-top for any average consumer.
On August 04 2010 02:21 Megalisk wrote: I was banned when this was first posted but now I can say, APM TECHNOLOGYYYYYUUUUUUU. Razer sure knows how to market to stupid little kids lol.
Funny, they came up with the same idea (fingertip-grip, big non-slip buttons) that is incorporated in my years old mouse that was less than half the price back then. They just upped some meaningless numbers and put some shiny design features into it. But I can confirm that this is the way RTS mice should look.
On October 14 2010 05:20 Asta wrote: Funny, they came up with the same idea (fingertip-grip, big non-slip buttons) that is incorporated in my years old mouse that was less than half the price back then. They just upped some meaningless numbers and put some shiny design features into it. But I can confirm that this is the way RTS mice should look.
Similar design to the first Razer mice, the Boomslang 1000/2000. I had the 2000 and man, what a pleasure it was! Do the buttons go all the way to the back? That would be interesting when you use the mouse with your fingers only.
On October 14 2010 05:47 Grettin wrote: God i didn't notice this thread after a while, and now i thought it was a new thread about Razer Starcraft 2 Line, as in team with players.
But i was wrong, sigh.
yea, i don't know why people bump a thread this old without saying anything meaningful
on topic though: did anyone see the new MMO mouse razer released (called the Naga or something) it has a full numpad on the side of the mouse lol
On October 14 2010 05:47 Grettin wrote: God i didn't notice this thread after a while, and now i thought it was a new thread about Razer Starcraft 2 Line, as in team with players.
But i was wrong, sigh.
yea, i don't know why people bump a thread this old without saying anything meaningful
on topic though: did anyone see the new MMO mouse razer released (called the Naga or something) it has a full numpad on the side of the mouse lol
are you talking about the new naga version? or just the plain naga? cuz that was released like 2ish years ago lol
anyway i would so buy the spectre mouse if it wasnt for the cheesy lighting
^^ Yeah it looks like an awesome mouse but I feel like I'm way too old to have a mouse that has "Starcraft II" written on it in big glowing letters that change color.
I'm also shocked that there's still no release date. They've really dropped the ball, missing the release date of SC2 by this much.
'APM technology' hahaha. You don't need overpriced equipment to play well. Almost all of the most popular mice used by top CS players were MS branded, cheap, office-workstation type mice (WMO, IME 3.0, IMO 1.1, etc.) because they did their jobs perfectly.
I can't see a flashy keyboard or mouse helping you in SC2 at all, unless you're using a rusty ball mouse or something.
I was excited for the spectre but now its been so long I won't even bother. While you may laugh at the APM technology business it is kind of cool, it isn't meant to be some insane leap in gaming mice its just something that is fun to make the mouse more than a mouse with the words Starcraft II printed on it.
Yeah, the mouse was supposed to be a bday present because im the kind of guy its hard to buy stuff for, so when one of my family members asked that's what I said. So much for that, since then I've bought the cheapest mouse I could at staples which happens to be a microsoft mouse.
Seems like really bad marketing, trying to catch the fever of something as big as SC2 being released, miss the deadline, then release a few competitive normal products since then but not this stuff. I predict that providing it had been launched the same time as sc2 it would have hit the largest share of the market it ever would, that with every month it's potential sales are reduced by 10,000 units.
Nothing bad against you Williowa, but I don't see a reason to just pull numbers out of your ass lol But I agree, its bad that they haven't even started selling gear for sc2 yet.. They're definately loosing a lot of money
On October 14 2010 10:57 Genome852 wrote: 'APM technology' hahaha. You don't need overpriced equipment to play well. Almost all of the most popular mice used by top CS players were MS branded, cheap, office-workstation type mice (WMO, IME 3.0, IMO 1.1, etc.) because they did their jobs perfectly.
I can't see a flashy keyboard or mouse helping you in SC2 at all, unless you're using a rusty ball mouse or something.
Waste of $$.
HA! i came from a rusty ball mouse to my razer Death Adder. was worth it, IMO.
because smart RTS gamers already own the logitech mini or the salmosa. Just look at that mouse, seriously - look at it. I expect better from Razer. The Salmosa is epically good - that thing looks awful. This is them just trying to convince niche, finicky gamers (us) to buy the latest shiny thing.
I'd seriously have a hard time believing many mice were better than the salmosa for RTS.
I hope they do the same kind of stuff for each race (the ultralisk keyboard and the baneling mouse ^^) I can't afford to buy any of these right know but still the marauder keyboard is wicked!!
salmosa only has 1800 dpi. abyssus has 3600dpi (and is loads better than the salmosa) spectre has 5600dpi Depending on how it feels in the hand it should out perform all previous Razer mice. That being said, even if I shelled out $80 (~￥500!) I would certainly tape up ot disable the silly "APM" lights.
imo razer had 2 mouses what worth to buy the diamondback3g and the salmosa, but now they arent offering both of these. maybe noone really bought their useless and expensive stuff when they were available? well for me it causes i wont buy any razer stuff at all...now all that remained is the ms 3.0 or maybe the SS kinzu will fill the hole razer left behind
On October 14 2010 19:24 Redunzl wrote: salmosa only has 1800 dpi. abyssus has 3600dpi (and is loads better than the salmosa) spectre has 5600dpi Depending on how it feels in the hand it should out perform all previous Razer mice.
What could you possibly do with 5600 dots per inch that you couldn't do with 1800 dots per inch?
Lol. It's quite funny that people are going to pay this much money for a mouse.
Salmosa and maybe the Abyssus are the only remotely worthwhile mice they have for cost. And since they're discontinued now, you should probably just buy a cheap logitech one and save your money.
On October 14 2010 19:24 Redunzl wrote: salmosa only has 1800 dpi. abyssus has 3600dpi (and is loads better than the salmosa) spectre has 5600dpi Depending on how it feels in the hand it should out perform all previous Razer mice.
What could you possibly do with 5600 dots per inch that you couldn't do with 1800 dots per inch?
You can finally select every pixel in a 7680x4800 screen!
I think that apm technology is roflame. Make me a keyboard that has lights built in and intergrated to light up accoding to which hotkeys you have assigned and unit and building specific shortcuts.
For example, click on an scv and the letters B, V, A, P, H, ESC AND S light up. Then press B for build and S, R, B, E, T, C, U etc light up. Select the building for placement and everything dims until the next unit/building is selected.
Id definately buy that keyboard and id love playing in the dark.
I gotta admit - they might have had a bigger market for their APM keyboard if Filco didn't get their keyboard advertised to this community from the GSL-1 winner!
On October 14 2010 19:24 Redunzl wrote: salmosa only has 1800 dpi. abyssus has 3600dpi (and is loads better than the salmosa) spectre has 5600dpi Depending on how it feels in the hand it should out perform all previous Razer mice. That being said, even if I shelled out $80 (~￥500!) I would certainly tape up ot disable the silly "APM" lights.
3600 dpi is excessive and the abyssus doesn't track well on cloth pads, and cloth pads are the best.
On October 14 2010 19:24 Redunzl wrote: salmosa only has 1800 dpi. abyssus has 3600dpi (and is loads better than the salmosa) spectre has 5600dpi Depending on how it feels in the hand it should out perform all previous Razer mice. That being said, even if I shelled out $80 (~￥500!) I would certainly tape up ot disable the silly "APM" lights.
Salmosa has the best shape - that's all that counts, this DPI stuff is a wank - the pros in Korea are using 11$ Logitech mousman mini or whatever the hell it is.
On October 14 2010 19:24 Redunzl wrote: salmosa only has 1800 dpi. abyssus has 3600dpi (and is loads better than the salmosa) spectre has 5600dpi Depending on how it feels in the hand it should out perform all previous Razer mice.
What could you possibly do with 5600 dots per inch that you couldn't do with 1800 dots per inch?
Don't you know ANYTHING?
OBVIOUSLY it's so you can use your 5600 dpi mouse to play Starcraft with a 1600-pixel wide monitor on a surface that's only 1/4 of an inch wider than the mouse itself! Just THINK of all the SAVINGS in DESKSPACE not to mention the ergonomic savings you gain from barely moving the mouse at all.
Do you realise how much USELESS WASTED SPACE would be saved if everyone bumped up the dpi on their mice to 5600 and chopped down their tables and mousepads appropriately. Did you know that for every 486 people using the Razer Spectre, Earth frees up enough room to house one more person of moderate girth? That's our overpopulation crisis sorted right there!
I have it on good authority that the World Health Organization is cooperating with Razer to produce a 11200 dpi mouse for use in urban centres in India and China. The ecological benefits of Razer mice are HUGE!
On October 14 2010 19:24 Redunzl wrote: salmosa only has 1800 dpi. abyssus has 3600dpi (and is loads better than the salmosa) spectre has 5600dpi Depending on how it feels in the hand it should out perform all previous Razer mice.
What could you possibly do with 5600 dots per inch that you couldn't do with 1800 dots per inch?
Don't you know ANYTHING?
OBVIOUSLY it's so you can use your 5600 dpi mouse to play Starcraft with a 1600-pixel wide monitor on a surface that's only 1/4 of an inch wider than the mouse itself! Just THINK of all the SAVINGS in DESKSPACE not to mention the ergonomic savings you gain from barely moving the mouse at all.
Do you realise how much USELESS WASTED SPACE would be saved if everyone bumped up the dpi on their mice to 5600 and chopped down their tables and mousepads appropriately. Did you know that for every 486 people using the Razer Spectre, Earth frees up enough room to house one more person of moderate girth? That's our overpopulation crisis sorted right there!
I have it on good authority that the World Health Organization is cooperating with Razer to produce a 11200 dpi mouse for use in urban centres in India and China. The ecological benefits of Razer mice are HUGE!
Maybe this technological improvement along with IR beam keyboards can finally allow hotseat to happen as it should be!
On October 14 2010 19:24 Redunzl wrote: salmosa only has 1800 dpi. abyssus has 3600dpi (and is loads better than the salmosa) spectre has 5600dpi Depending on how it feels in the hand it should out perform all previous Razer mice. That being said, even if I shelled out $80 (~￥500!) I would certainly tape up ot disable the silly "APM" lights.
Salmosa has the best shape - that's all that counts, this DPI stuff is a wank - the pros in Korea are using 11$ Logitech mousman mini or whatever the hell it is.
the koreans used the mini optical for bw because its 400 dpi were plenty for the 640x480 screen size of bw. but for sc2, the 400 dpi of the logitech mini optical surely dont cut it. i can guarantee u that no successful sc2 pro will ever use a mouse below 800 dpi. most will probably use something in the range between 1k and 2.5k dpi.
You can GUARANTEE me that? Ok - we'll this is TL so we're going to see some high end Diamond players in the least respond to this, I'll be curious to see their lols
On October 14 2010 22:10 sinK wrote: So apparently Razer Abyssus is bad for cloth pads, many people confirm it. Is it same with Salmosa or is Salmosa great on cloth pads?
My Salmosa tracks flawlessly on any surface I put it on.
On October 14 2010 22:10 sinK wrote: So apparently Razer Abyssus is bad for cloth pads, many people confirm it. Is it same with Salmosa or is Salmosa great on cloth pads?
my abyssus works fine on each and every one of my cloth pads. even the cheapo ones. gotta give it to razer tho, they know how to shape rts mice (abyssus/salmosa/krait/diamondback/possibly spectre)
Razer is garbage, except for the DeathAdder. If u want a super solid mouse, get the Zowie EC1 or 2 (EC1 is very similarily shaped to the microsoft IME 3.0, EC2 is a smaller version of that).
i waited so long for their stupid blackwidow keyboard to be released. preordered since august and i get an email like a week ago telling me that its going to be delayed (the ultimate version) until nov 28th. that was the last straw for me. i immediately cancelled my preorder and bought the steelseries 6gv2. it arrived 2 days later and is freaking amazing.
On October 14 2010 22:56 Kvz wrote: i waited so long for their stupid blackwidow keyboard to be released. preordered since august and i get an email like a week ago telling me that its going to be delayed (the ultimate version) until nov 28th. that was the last straw for me. i immediately cancelled my preorder and bought the steelseries 6gv2. it arrived 2 days later and is freaking amazing.
On October 14 2010 22:56 Kvz wrote: i waited so long for their stupid blackwidow keyboard to be released. preordered since august and i get an email like a week ago telling me that its going to be delayed (the ultimate version) until nov 28th. that was the last straw for me. i immediately cancelled my preorder and bought the steelseries 6gv2. it arrived 2 days later and is freaking amazing.
How is it? I heard the Brown keys were the best for Starcraft. Does the keyboard feel different than your normal one?
On October 14 2010 22:56 Kvz wrote: i waited so long for their stupid blackwidow keyboard to be released. preordered since august and i get an email like a week ago telling me that its going to be delayed (the ultimate version) until nov 28th. that was the last straw for me. i immediately cancelled my preorder and bought the steelseries 6gv2. it arrived 2 days later and is freaking amazing.
How is it? I heard the Brown keys were the best for Starcraft. Does the keyboard feel different than your normal one?
On October 14 2010 22:55 koOma wrote: Razer is garbage, except for the DeathAdder. If u want a super solid mouse, get the Zowie EC1 or 2 (EC1 is very similarily shaped to the microsoft IME 3.0, EC2 is a smaller version of that).
I was going to disagree, but then I realized the only piece of razer hardware I have is the DeathAdder. So far it's been wonders for me.
On October 14 2010 23:00 DooMDash wrote: Razer makes good products ( I've been using them since 2002 ), and they support our community.
I don't care what anyone says I'm getting the SCII stuff.
Don't support a company being stupid. Razer stopped selling the Salmosa and rehashed and fucked up old shit. The new ones look uncomfortable and silly - for the sake of just selling more shit to people with money to waste. Find a Salmosa and buy that.
so much hate in this topic. the apm lighting system does not only glow when you spam clicks, you can configure it to glow different colors for other in game events like building complete, warp in complete, cooldown ready, upgrade complete, base under attack, units under attack and so on...
so, IMO it's actually useful for improving macro and timming, if you wanna spend extra bucks instead of getting a death adder, you'll get the APM stuff and increased DPI and a slightly better ergonomics for RTS, small mouse and big buttons.
While the APM Technology seems nifty and the mouse might have great ergonomics for RTS, I don't see how they can sell a non-mechanical keyboard for $130 when you could spend a bit more and get a Deck Legend which is possibly the highest quality keyboard ever.
On October 19 2010 16:19 MarkItZero wrote: While the APM Technology seems nifty and the mouse might have great ergonomics for RTS, I don't see how they can sell a non-mechanical keyboard for $130 when you could spend a bit more and get a Deck Legend which is possibly the highest quality keyboard ever.
I'm going to piggy-back on that, although in the opposite direction, and ask why you would spend $130 when you could get a keyboard for a tenth of the price that is just as functional, and arguably better then these high end keyboards (especially the ones with lights and shit, since I really feel like putting the hurt on razer)
To be honest though, why all the flashiness and high prices? I hope one of these companies copies the samsung keyboard real pros use, verbatim, and then put their name on it and sell it. Now that's a keyboard I might pay more for.
On October 14 2010 22:55 koOma wrote: Razer is garbage, except for the DeathAdder. If u want a super solid mouse, get the Zowie EC1 or 2 (EC1 is very similarily shaped to the microsoft IME 3.0, EC2 is a smaller version of that).
I was going to disagree, but then I realized the only piece of razer hardware I have is the DeathAdder. So far it's been wonders for me.
I have an older generation Diamondback and it is amazing. Have Razer products really gone that far downhill since 5-6 years ago?
razer products are fine xcept for their crappy squeeky mousewheels :/ im using the abyssus on a goliathus control and it is the best setup ive had in 12 years of fps and rts gaming.
before that i used the i.e.3.0. for like 8 years and while it was fine in fps games it gave me rsi in most rts games because it required my hand to flex in an unnatural way.
On October 14 2010 22:55 koOma wrote: Razer is garbage, except for the DeathAdder. If u want a super solid mouse, get the Zowie EC1 or 2 (EC1 is very similarily shaped to the microsoft IME 3.0, EC2 is a smaller version of that).
I was going to disagree, but then I realized the only piece of razer hardware I have is the DeathAdder. So far it's been wonders for me.
I have an older generation Diamondback and it is amazing. Have Razer products really gone that far downhill since 5-6 years ago?
the diamondback is indeed amazing.
meanwhile, just ignore those haters, razer still makes some good products like the abyssus and new deathadder. their mouse pads arent bad either. The Blackwidow has also been drawing very good feedbacks from many buyers.
Does anyone know if you can deactivate the APM lighting tech shit for the keyboard? the design really seem enchanting to me but I just can't stand flashy lightings when I'm playing computer games, that would be sick distracting. Or are there any other alternatives with similar design that isn't complete garbage in other ways than the design?
Haven't heard anything good about Razer keyboards really but I'm very interested in the mouse as it seems to be ambidextrous like my current trusty Diamondback.
Razer Keyboards are not good. I bought one for $90, and it broke after 5 starcraft 2 matches... The 5 key broke mid match, and I don't pound on keyboards that much.
I use a Lite-On keyboard for like, $6, lol.
The Razer Copperhead is awesome for Lefties, its what I use and i love it.
where can i find a keyboard with lights that doesnt freaking cost that much... i hate playing with lights on at night but i get lost sometimes when i dont see the keyboard at all
I have a fairly high end pair of razer periphs, a mamba and a lycosa. Both are extremely good, and I'm used to working with pretty high end peripherals. The keyboard has some minor faults in that the press angles on some keys are a bit steep (that is you can't kind of jab them from the side in haste and get a press). I've only ever had a problem with the shift key, but that can be annoying in a tense game.
The mamba is superb, both in looks and functionality. The weight is perfect, the balance is amazing, none of the complaints I've seen apply (scroll wheel is good, no flashy lights, cable is solid and removeable, form factor is fantastic). I can say without hesitation that it's far better than the logitech gaming mice, I've used all of those, ditto with anything microsoft puts out. I dunno about the low end stuff, but razer is keeping their high quality stuff topnotch
Just to note they also released a new version of the Razer Naga Epic with some new features like Wired/Wireless capabilities and 3 interchangeable side panels to get a best fit for your grip. Obviously it's not the perfect SC2 mouse but I like the new features for the mouse.
On June 16 2010 02:30 Rhyme wrote: rofl apm technology. it'd be kinda cool if it was key specific, like when you are mashing s+d as zerg those two would change colors based on how fast you were pressing them. although then you'd be sad when only 1, 2, and a were lit up for the rest of the game.
Designed exclusively for StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™, the Razer Marauder StarCraft II gaming keyboard is a full-featured, tournament ready keyboard with an extremely compact design. The Razer Marauder’s elevated keys are perfected for rapid commands and improved gaming performance. Your increased performance is monitored by an all new APM (Actions-Per-Minute) Lighting System that provides real-time performance feedback through changing color hues for a completely immersive gaming experience. Enhanced with a dedicated on-the-fly macro recording system, the Razer Marauder is built with a gaming optimized design that reflects the StarCraft II universe and bolsters the gameplay experience.
I tried the Mouse and keyboard at dreamhack, it was truely terrible. The keyboard wasn't mechanical despite being out for such a high price. It didn't feel too good using it, it was kinda plasty. The mouse wasn't that good either, it just didnt feel good gripping it.
On December 02 2010 23:02 lakritzc wrote: I tried the Mouse and keyboard at dreamhack, it was truely terrible. The keyboard wasn't mechanical despite being out for such a high price. It didn't feel too good using it, it was kinda plasty. The mouse wasn't that good either, it just didnt feel good gripping it.
How did the on-the-fly-macro work in SC2?
It sounds to good to be true if they have made a keyboard that have working macro in SC2, and also is promoted by Blizzard.
On-The-Fly Macro Recording allows for Effortless Configuration Record unlimited macros on-the-fly without having to take your eye off the game and immediately change between up to 10 profiles without the hassle of going into complex driver menus
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