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Alou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States3748 Posts
June 12 2010 04:14 GMT
#41
Change is scary, but good in the end.
Life is Good.
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-12 04:16:40
June 12 2010 04:15 GMT
#42
So I don't know how many people actually watched the video, but he never actually committed to saying this would be the last BW OSL. In fact, he speculated that there would likely be at least one more season before OGN completely transitioned to SC2, and that's only if SC2 proves that it can completely eclipse its predecessor. That's a big "if" in my estimation and it wouldn't surprise me to see both games played side-by-side for quite a long time. I assume we're all used to a little bit of classic Artosis misdirection because it gets us to watch his videos, but the only thing I took away from the video besides the speculation surrounding the future of the OSL is the relative certainty that OGN will partner with GOM.

Thanks for the video Dan.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
June 12 2010 04:15 GMT
#43
On June 12 2010 13:14 Alou wrote:
Change is scary, but good in the end.

Not always. Imho, I think that these tournaments should run both games until there is just zero interest in them anymore. I mean BW is like the chess of e sports, rts, computer games. It is always good to watch, and 2 games are never exactly the same.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Umbrella
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Taiwan936 Posts
June 12 2010 04:16 GMT
#44
What the fuck. I love SC2 but I don't want to see BW go away once and for all. Why not just have an OSL for both games?
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-12 04:23:54
June 12 2010 04:16 GMT
#45
why? why does a shit game have to take the place of SCBW? LONG LIVE SCBW SCREW SC2 I WILL NOT WATCH A SINGLE MATCH- THIS GAME WILL BE DEAD IN 2 YEARS.



FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
June 12 2010 04:16 GMT
#46
I doubt Brood War will die off that quickly because of Starcraft 2.
Brood War loyalist
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
June 12 2010 04:18 GMT
#47
Why is this a bad thing?

It's just an evolution. I'm excited to see SC2 grow as a game and where the Koreans can take this. You guys forget how much ass SC1 sucked when it first came out. SC2 is only in beta and we've already seen some really awesome stuff. Just imagine what the game can grow into with it being played at a professional level in Korea.

SC1 sucked for years, and way harder than SC2 (which is actually pretty damn good.) Don't be so afraid of change, give the game a chance to develop and grow.
Jusciax
Profile Joined August 2007
Lithuania588 Posts
June 12 2010 04:19 GMT
#48
The sooner SC2 gets progamers cracking at it, the better it is for its future, this is awesome.
Aldair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States78 Posts
June 12 2010 04:19 GMT
#49
On June 12 2010 13:11 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 13:02 Aldair wrote:
On June 12 2010 12:59 KawaiiRice wrote:
Idra 4 bonjwa


Idra.... I used to look up to that guy. His skill is high, but I don't respect him anymore as a player.


Why? Because he talks mad shit?


No, not because he talks smack. Because he whines. Not too long ago a replay was leaked of Idra vs.... damn can't remember. But it was ZvT and Terran went mech. After Idra lost (spoiler) he said that the Terran should feel guilty for going mech.

Idra doesn't know how to handle losing to something outside of his prescribed thought of what the game should be. So he whines. So I don't like him.
Sentient66
Profile Joined July 2009
United States651 Posts
June 12 2010 04:20 GMT
#50
Well this fucking sucks. So they're just going to force SC2 to replace Broodwar as the most competitive, challenging, and watchable RTS of all time? BW took years to develop into the amazing and entertaining game it is today. Watching SC2 in its current form instead of BW would be like watching my 12 year old brother play BGH instead of watching Flash vs. Jaedong. This is so sad. If SC2 still has the appeal that it has now in 10 years, I will be stunned.
seNsiX.421
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-12 04:21:41
June 12 2010 04:20 GMT
#51
SC2 is going to be such a yawn fest to watch. hopefully the game will evolve into something more exciting with the coming expansions, but as it stands it's just a really good, balanced RTS with the fundamental Blizzard RTS flare.

but i guess with a new game, the community is almost forced to move on. same thing happened with SF4. if you wanna remain in the competitive spotlight, you go where the developers go.
KaRnaGe[cF]
Profile Joined September 2007
United States355 Posts
June 12 2010 04:20 GMT
#52
Wow and SC2 is so shitty to watch and the skill ceiling is low.
"We must remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best who is trained in the severest school." - Athenian General Thucydides Quantum Gaming
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-12 04:22:44
June 12 2010 04:21 GMT
#53
On June 12 2010 13:06 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
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On June 12 2010 12:57 RogerChillingworth wrote:
It's so much more difficult to control units in Brood War. In contrast to SC2, or rather going from SC2 to Brood War, it's a big pain in the ass. I endorse this switchover. RTS is evolving. Good-bye, former best RTS of all time.

Yeah easier to control may make the game more fun to play (for you) but that's not the same thing as making it a better spectator sport. Harder to control meant higher skill ceiling (still not reached) which was a good thing for long term competitiveness. As fun as SC2 is I'm not sure it's ready to replace BW at the highest level. If this is accurate, I guess we'll see.



We haven't seen the skill ceiling of SC2 yet. And we probably won't for another year or two. And it probably won't be predicated on the same things, seeing as the engine is better. It's more about that S in RTS, I feel. And I think that's what's going to hoist SC2 into the ESPORTS stratosphere (if anything does).

EDIT: Holy shit there's a lot of cynicism. Fucking lack of progressivism on this forum~~ (And yes, I know how hard it is to part from what is comfortable and what is known. It sucks. But open up. To quote Tyler Durden: "Let the chips fall where they may")
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
June 12 2010 04:24 GMT
#54
Hopeefully they continue and allow Flash his Golden Mouse. Who knows though, he's only 17 so there's no reason he can't get it in SC2. Really looking forward to the transition from BW to SC2 as far as established teams are concerned, should be a blast!
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
June 12 2010 04:24 GMT
#55
No one has anything against SC2. It's just so tame.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 12 2010 04:26 GMT
#56
On June 12 2010 13:21 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2010 13:06 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
On June 12 2010 12:57 RogerChillingworth wrote:
It's so much more difficult to control units in Brood War. In contrast to SC2, or rather going from SC2 to Brood War, it's a big pain in the ass. I endorse this switchover. RTS is evolving. Good-bye, former best RTS of all time.

Yeah easier to control may make the game more fun to play (for you) but that's not the same thing as making it a better spectator sport. Harder to control meant higher skill ceiling (still not reached) which was a good thing for long term competitiveness. As fun as SC2 is I'm not sure it's ready to replace BW at the highest level. If this is accurate, I guess we'll see.



We haven't seen the skill ceiling of SC2 yet. And we probably won't for another year or two. And it probably won't be predicated on the same things, seeing as the engine is better. It's more about that S in RTS, I feel. And I think that's what's going to hoist SC2 into the ESPORTS stratosphere (if anything does).

EDIT: Holy shit there's a lot of cynicism. Fucking lack of progressivism on this forum~~ (And yes, I know how hard it is to part from what is comfortable and what is known. It sucks. But open up. To quote Tyler Durden: "Let the chips fall where they may")


Heres the issue people have.

Bnet 2.0 sucks. Without Bnet 2.0 there is no SC2 tournament...period. So until that gets fixed and you don't have nice crashes in the middle of a bo5 final people are going to be cynical and they have EVERY RIGHT TO BE.

SC2 is nowhere near polished enough to be pushed into the huge scene in its current state...at least the multiplayer side isn't. Disappoint people enough and they aren't going to care that it's finally "fixed" a year later, you already lost the chance.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
June 12 2010 04:26 GMT
#57
Stop breaking the layout folks!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
everstarleague
Profile Joined December 2009
China89 Posts
June 12 2010 04:28 GMT
#58
If it is, then, SC2 osl will return to SC osl again, I can not accept the probably fact that the admirable SC1 Porgamers will be vanished.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 12 2010 04:29 GMT
#59
Dammit Bisu, you need to take this last one!
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
June 12 2010 04:31 GMT
#60
On June 12 2010 13:01 Skillz_Man wrote:
Jaedong for OSL and MSL this season wil secure him as the best player in history. And I would REALLY like to see some epic last SC tournament in the world with huge prize money etc. I do think for one that SC is feeling its age, and it does sadden me alot, but SC had a lifetime like no other.

Is the question going to be answered who the best player of all time is? (Or is it already? =o)

Already answered:

It's Flash. 70% win rate, 80% in the last year. No one has ever had those numbers
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