I doubt you are using every hotkey on important things being that your whole army can always just occupy 1-3 and every production structure can be on 4. Just use like 890 or something

omninmo

2349 Posts

February 28 2010 11:06 GMT

#63

there is no excuse for not having it is why. its not like they use the F keys for something else now. they just took a function out of the old game for no apparent reason. the Fkeys could be used for a whole bunch of shit, e.g. transferring workers, keeping an eye of certain parts of your/their base(s), your proxy pylon, whatever.

the question is not why do we need this but rather why was it removed.

Asta

Germany3491 Posts

February 28 2010 11:08 GMT

#64

On February 28 2010 19:54 red.venom wrote:

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I doubt you are using every hotkey on important things being that your whole army can always just occupy 1-3 and every production structure can be on 4. Just use like 890 or something

That kind of renders the whole keeping-all-hotkeys-on-the-left useless then. Going back to your main or switching between main and expo is probably the most used function and for drops (sliding workers away) also one of the most speed-crucial functions. Having to double tap higher numbers for each of your cc/nexus/hatch is really shitty compared to F2/F3/F4.

Also with the way the view is distorted in 3D it's often not the best option to focus on your main building. For example if your minerals are above, they are much smaller than you'd like. So I actually resorted to focusing on a worker instead of the main building. It's obvious that this is very uncomfortable.

kaleidoscope

Singapore2887 Posts

February 28 2010 11:11 GMT

#65

It's totally like WC3 platform, cant alt hotkeys or F2-4..

Sometimes i really feel like it's modeled from WC3, and testing out the capability on how they can modify it..

huey

United States1 Post

February 28 2010 22:18 GMT

#66

absolutely annoying that cannot use F2 F3 F4 to switch screen position now. That's my biggest complaint towards SC2 beta now!!!
Anyone can let Blizzard know about this?

DefMatrixUltra

Canada1992 Posts

February 28 2010 22:24 GMT

#67

On February 28 2010 19:54 red.venom wrote:

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I doubt you are using every hotkey on important things being that your whole army can always just occupy 1-3 and every production structure can be on 4. Just use like 890 or something

Yeah or he could just mouse scroll around. Or even use the arrow keys! There's even a new map drag function with the mouse.

Or all of that stuff is too slow and F keys have no replacement. Really the F keys thing is a no-brainer. Imagine SCII being released in Korea with no F keys - ultimate shitstorm.

rkarhu

Finland570 Posts

February 28 2010 22:25 GMT

#68

Doesn't seem like a feature that would require excessive amount of coding so I just presume Blizz is not aware of the fact that it's being missed.

Puosu

7102 Posts

February 28 2010 22:29 GMT

#69

Like rkarhu said it should be easily coded and adds more customizability to the keys, I'm all for it even if I never even used those keys.

peanutter

Australia165 Posts

February 28 2010 22:39 GMT

#70

maybe the engine is horrendous and doesn't allow this either

HunterX11

United States1048 Posts

March 01 2010 01:23 GMT

#71

Perhaps Blizzard feels that it would lower the skill ceiling too much to have things like MBS and virtually unlimited unit selection and location hotkeys? Consider for example how now, fewer workers are needed to effectively saturate a mineral line than in BW: doesn't it make sense to make dealing with harassment harder, given that things like worker production are easier and less crucial? The amount of screen switching for things like re-rallying has been greatly reduced, surely it isn't so terrible (and perhaps is even a good thing) to force people to do some more screen switching elsewhere.

LunarC

United States1186 Posts

March 01 2010 02:29 GMT

#72

No, that's not a valid reason not to take a step backwards and not allow the function keys. I even have qualms about unlimited unit selection at the moment. I thought it was assumed that Blizzard would put the function keys back in. If they can redesign an engine from the ground up and take years to develop the technical aspects of Starcraft 2 but can't implement simple features like function keys....

CharlieMurphy

United States22895 Posts

March 01 2010 03:01 GMT

#73

On February 27 2010 04:55 Jugan wrote:

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What could be more important than using them for the same function as they were used for in SC1??? :O

f1 is the button to move to next idle probe. dunno about the others.

Re-Play-

Dominican Republic825 Posts

March 01 2010 03:04 GMT

#74

On February 26 2010 20:06 Day[9] wrote:
I am super annoyed that there are no F2 keys -_-

ME TOO

oBlade

United States6639 Posts

March 01 2010 03:15 GMT

#75

I have to put my share of spam in this thread to show support. I finally got a chance to dick around on the beta, and the lack of F2-F4 location hotkeys was ridiculous. It seems to me like more of a no-brainer than having some kind of chat channels in Battle.net 2.0. Maynarding workers is now more complicated than it needs to be. You also have to somehow mouse scroll back to your rally area whenever you want to hotkey your last round of unit production. These simple tasks are suddenly needlessly annoying.

This is just the stuff that should carry over from BW to SC2 - as people have said, if location hotkeys aren't in the game, there is also no way to innovate their usage for SC2 (they might be good for things we wouldn't know about yet since they aren't in the game).

Ranix

United States666 Posts

March 01 2010 03:32 GMT

#76

There is only one explanation..

....Heroes will be in multiplayer also

lol.Froste

United States112 Posts

March 01 2010 06:03 GMT

#77

i hope you all realize that blizzard is extremely slow at getting around to little things like this. Adding Fkeys could probably take 1 programmer a total of 2-3 hours start to finish, but it doubt it is high on their priority list right now.

currently during the beta SCII devs are busy trying to get the game correctly balanced. I too am annoyed by the omission of my beloved f keys, but what would you rather do... play a game with a lot of annoying balance issues or use your F keys.

the devs in a seriousness probably forgot about it and right now, they dont have the time to give it any attention at all. i think it will be implemented much closer to the release date, once major issues are resolved

United States6173 Posts

March 01 2010 06:07 GMT

#78

On February 26 2010 20:08 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I never used alt hotkey but I'm sure there are some that are really used to it. I don't see why alt hotkey still couldn't be used even if it does show health bars for a brief second.

I never used any F keys really either. Always been a minimap clicker. F keys are too far imo, just hotkey structures

It's actually a habit a looot of top players get into. It's annoying for me too (I don't use them), but I still think it's better to be able to use them.

Piste

6184 Posts

March 01 2010 06:10 GMT

#79

On February 26 2010 23:27 CharlieMurphy wrote:
iirc the f keys were supposed to be used for something else. that's why the arent here right now.

but the keyboard is full of buttons! Why take screen location hotkeys away?

Jarvs

Australia639 Posts

March 01 2010 06:22 GMT

#80

In War3 I used F1 - F3 a heap. Playing UD where I frequently had 3 heroes, I would press this key almost as much as I would use all the hotkeys.

I would LOVE to see the feature in SC2 where you can bind screens such as the way it does in SC1, and that is coming from a War3 player. I used all the hotkeys in War3 and having access to more would be fantastic.