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Reception in WC3 community?
I am pretty ignorant towards what’s going on in the WC3 scene. Can people who are knowledgeable about WC3 please share how SC2 has been received so far in the WC3 community? Specifically
- Comments and impressions from top WC3 players who have played the beta - Prevailing opinion on the game just generally - How well can you apply your WC3 skill to SC2 - To what extend is SC2 expected to replace WC3? - Do WC3 players feel they have an advantage over SC player in SC2? Vice versa?
Or generally expand on what the WC3 scene thinks about the SC2 beta. I am sure many people on TL are interested to hear what RTS gamers outside our bubble think about SC2.
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http://www.wcreplays.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124119
seems to have some WC3 opinions on the game. Mostly about balance though.
Hopefully MaDFroG and Insomnia come back to play SC2! I want to see how they do !
replayers.com also had a forum, but the link is dead so I dunno if it's just temporary downtime or permanent.
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At this time, rank literally means nothing. Wait until there are 100,000 people playing. We have no clue where WC3 or SC players for that matter will end up in the ranking come release (I'm sure they'll be quite good at the start due to sheer time advantage, but give it 3 months).
As for me, I'd love to see a showdown between Ret/Boxer (SC), Moon/Grubby (WC3), and Arch_Koven/Iamgrunt (Age of).
I wonder who would come out at the top....
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On February 22 2010 16:49 zatic wrote: Reception in WC3 community?
I am pretty ignorant towards what’s going on in the WC3 scene. Can people who are knowledgeable about WC3 please share how SC2 has been received so far in the WC3 community? Specifically
- Comments and impressions from top WC3 players who have played the beta - Prevailing opinion on the game just generally - How well can you apply your WC3 skill to SC2 - To what extend is SC2 expected to replace WC3? - Do WC3 players feel they have an advantage over SC player in SC2? Vice versa?
Or generally expand on what the WC3 scene thinks about the SC2 beta. I am sure many people on TL are interested to hear what RTS gamers outside our bubble think about SC2.
Well, i haven't played the beta, but i played a lot at blizzcon if that helps.
I came from a sponsored wc3 team and commentated for a brief time (might get back into it idk), so i'd say i have extensive knowledge of the game.
all the top players i know from war3 are STILL playing the beta haha. They are loving it. I think the game is great, really fun, a "fresh start", basically everything that has been said already on tl a million times
on the war3 to sc2 skills, i'd say they can be applied well, but not as well as sc:bw skills. A lot of sc:bw players get the misconception that war3 players don't know anything about sc, but really we keep up with the latest in the korean pro leagues for sc:bw. We know general builds, 12 hatch, etc. We are fans of the game. -But back to the skills, in my opinion, you will be able to pick out the wc3 players from the sc:bw players. since warcraft 3 is a lot more micro oriented, you will see us in fights (maybe not big/huge scale ones) pull units back with barely any hp left, send em back in to fight from a different angle, just general warcraft 3 micro. Also, wc3 macro is easier, so it will be harder for wc3 players to adjust macro-wise. Because wc3 really only needs 2 - 3 macro buildings, and we don't constantly make workers for a good part of the game, only the start.
I honestly have no idea to what extent it will replace sc2. All I know is that I have heard/talked to multiple high level pros (above hasuobs, nightend, etc.) and they said they would try sc2 and see how it goes, and will decide from there whether or not to make the switch. I think because of the current imbalance issue (*cough* orc vs undead matchup *cough*) sc2 will gravitate more players. Because having a top level game where thousands of dollars are on the line, there shouldn't be imbalances in the way. They should be addressed immediately.
I think wc3 players feel they are going into this at teh same or a little worse off than the sc players. Ya they are both comming from blizzard RTS games, but sc has no heroes, 200 food limit, and just a whole different playstyle than wc3. Wc3 is a game where you only need maybe 185+ apm in order to achieve everything you need in a game (depends on the race of course). But sc i know requires a looot more. and Wc3 players have more apm than just 185 anyway, but im just saying that is an estimate on how much they need.
all I know is i've been playing sc:bw for about 3 weeks to prepare for beta, also for just a new challenge. It is a fun-ass game, and at times a lot more fun than wc3 . But really the wc3 scene is happy and afraid for sc2,same as sc:bw people. will wc3 become just a shadow to sc2, with no more leagues, tournaments, etc?
(few posts up) and yes, NightEnd is a wc3 player, and a really good one at that.
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Yeah the biggest difference is the macro. Not just building units, and adjusting to the more mass scaled macro style of SC, but also just expansion timings. I think only the humans will be able to adjust to the expansion timings LOL!
anyways as long as orc players get stomped in SC2 <3
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Macro vs micro is bound to be the main factor. There is so much damn micro in WC3, even workers are microed as if they were shuttles full of templar.
Other than that i'm not sure how general game dynamics will change. Some of the spells in SC2 look a bit more unique/specific than in BW, maybe that is more similar to WC3.
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"Zerg - queen completely stops harasses. You were going to get a queen anyways."
lmao
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Have you seen Imbalance ? Or is it too early to talk about it? Right now I think reavers are imba, but it seems to early to say for sure, we're just scratching the surface when it comes to strategies and Blizzard is undoubtedly still gonna change a lot.
Reavers. Imba in SC2
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haha I'm pretty sure he means Reapers.
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On February 22 2010 17:32 FragKrag wrote: Yeah the biggest difference is the macro. Not just building units, and adjusting to the more mass scaled macro style of SC, but also just expansion timings. I think only the humans will be able to adjust to the expansion timings LOL!
anyways as long as orc players get stomped in SC2 <3
this, except grubby, he is nice
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SCII will replace wc3 if blizzard will go on with not supporting wc3. (hacker and orc-ud) if they support wc3 a bit more again i dont think wc3 will die that fast. and we might see something like with SC and korea for wc3 and china
and ofc everyone is playing it right now. its new ~
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I could imagine they say something like: Holy Shit, the Starcraft series always gets the good stuff while we get all the crappy stuff. Man, FUCK this WC3 shit. I am switching over and play some Starcraft 2 dammit.
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Starcraft is a much more manly name anyway.
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As Zerter said in his interview: "The general feel of the way you micro and macro is similiar to WC3, but strategy-wise it resembles StarCraft a lot more."
I think the W3 players are better when it comes to SC2 mechanics, therefore they are doing better at the moment. But when SC players will catch up with that, I can easily see them over the W3 players, due to their better game knowledge (strategy/tactic wise).
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On February 22 2010 18:33 cyclone25 wrote: As Zerter said in his interview: "The general feel of the way you micro and macro is similiar to WC3, but strategy-wise it resembles StarCraft a lot more."
I think the W3 players are better when it comes to SC2 mechanics, therefore they are doing better at the moment. But when SC players will catch up with that, I can easily see them over the W3 players, due to their better game knowledge (strategy/tactic wise).
errr... what do u base ur statement on saying war3 players are doing better at SC2 atm?
we're getting high influx of new blood in SC2, so really until the beta goes out to more people or when the game released for some time, its hard to tell wats gonna happen...
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On February 22 2010 18:33 cyclone25 wrote: As Zerter said in his interview: "The general feel of the way you micro and macro is similiar to WC3, but strategy-wise it resembles StarCraft a lot more."
I think the W3 players are better when it comes to SC2 mechanics, therefore they are doing better at the moment. But when SC players will catch up with that, I can easily see them over the W3 players, due to their better game knowledge (strategy/tactic wise).
Nothing in this games takes more micro beyond dragoon micro in SC:BW. The only players that are doing the "best" are the ones that care enough to perfect a build do it every game instead of experimenting.
That's a load of rubbish from a third tier "pro".
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I think that absurdly general statement because I have nothing to back it up with.
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On February 22 2010 18:48 PokePill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2010 18:33 cyclone25 wrote: As Zerter said in his interview: "The general feel of the way you micro and macro is similiar to WC3, but strategy-wise it resembles StarCraft a lot more."
I think the W3 players are better when it comes to SC2 mechanics, therefore they are doing better at the moment. But when SC players will catch up with that, I can easily see them over the W3 players, due to their better game knowledge (strategy/tactic wise). Nothing in this games takes more micro beyond dragoon micro in SC:BW. The only players that are doing the "best" are the ones that care enough to perfect a build do it every game instead of experimenting. That's a load of rubbish from a third tier "pro".
Just listen to the PvP match Day[9] analyzed. He said he has a very hard time in getting used to the new keyboard shortcuts (he still used the SC1 ones by instinct and probes/pylons won't build etc.). Another example is the reduced unit glitching: W3 players are more used to it (in the example you gave, knowing how to micro dragoons in SC1 is a useless skill to have in SC2). Then we can talk about all producing buildings which can get in one hotkey (W3 players know how this works, they know to tab fast between them, while SC players need to learn how to be fast with it). So the W3 players will have the mechanics advantage, because as everyone noticed the games end pretty fast and not going in late game. But as players will learn the game, and the games will last longer I can see SC players experience kick in, and be better than the W3 players.
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