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Nourek
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany188 Posts
February 25 2011 23:46 GMT
#17121
On February 26 2011 05:05 DoubleReed wrote:
So yay, great. Terran can do all this fancy micro and such to be constantly aggressive, maintain map control, and never let the opponent expand. How could zerg and protoss do anything like that? How can zerg and protoss compete with that?

There's mutalisks, and Phoenix play in PvZ and some things like that, that can be somewhat similar.

But no, P or Z can't directly compete with that, but they're not really supposed to either.

There are things they can do that T can't do, as well.
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
February 25 2011 23:57 GMT
#17122
Terran has mobility (medivacs, stim and concussive shell, etc), economic efficiency (mules, supply drop, the fact that marines cost nothing), and good harassment options (cloaked/uncloaked banshees, medivac drops, blue flame helions, etc).

Zerg has map awareness (creep spread, overlord spread), map control (mutalisks, speedlings, creep), flexibility (can switch entire army around by laying down 1 extra building), and a robust army composition (roaches, corruptors, broodlings made by broodlords, ultralisks)

Protoss has very strong battlefield control (force fields, collosus, storm), short reinforcement distances (proxy pylons, warp prisms), and strong macro flexibility (can chrono boost upgrades, probes, robo bays/stargates)

One race isn't stronger than any other race, they are just different
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
February 26 2011 01:09 GMT
#17123
On February 26 2011 08:46 Nourek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 05:05 DoubleReed wrote:
So yay, great. Terran can do all this fancy micro and such to be constantly aggressive, maintain map control, and never let the opponent expand. How could zerg and protoss do anything like that? How can zerg and protoss compete with that?

There's mutalisks, and Phoenix play in PvZ and some things like that, that can be somewhat similar.

But no, P or Z can't directly compete with that, but they're not really supposed to either.

There are things they can do that T can't do, as well.


I meant in such a way that remains low-tech. It just seems like Zerg can't be nearly that aggressive on low-tech.

My question is "Can I apply this daily to my own play?" Is there a zerg equivalent to mass marine all game long? Can it be anywhere near as effective?

Or is the answer no, and I have to sit here and be mopey about it.
Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
February 26 2011 02:32 GMT
#17124
On February 26 2011 10:09 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 08:46 Nourek wrote:
On February 26 2011 05:05 DoubleReed wrote:
So yay, great. Terran can do all this fancy micro and such to be constantly aggressive, maintain map control, and never let the opponent expand. How could zerg and protoss do anything like that? How can zerg and protoss compete with that?

There's mutalisks, and Phoenix play in PvZ and some things like that, that can be somewhat similar.

But no, P or Z can't directly compete with that, but they're not really supposed to either.

There are things they can do that T can't do, as well.


I meant in such a way that remains low-tech. It just seems like Zerg can't be nearly that aggressive on low-tech.

My question is "Can I apply this daily to my own play?" Is there a zerg equivalent to mass marine all game long? Can it be anywhere near as effective?

Or is the answer no, and I have to sit here and be mopey about it.


in ZvP it's basically the metagame to JUST make roaches, so the answer here is obviously yes. In ZvZ the same thing is true. In ZvT pure roach are is detroyed by stim bioball and heavy mech play alike, so it isn't used as much. Instead zerglings and banelings are used, and mutalisks are made to clean up afterwards (as there are no terran units that shoot up besides marines and thors). So the answer is that you probably are already doing it but you haven't realized it.
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
February 26 2011 03:57 GMT
#17125
Wow the TvP analysis daily truly made me sick.
OverLulz
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany75 Posts
February 26 2011 12:35 GMT
#17126
day 9 just posted via twitter he'll do more casting now, does anyone know where this is gonna be streamed?
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 26 2011 17:20 GMT
#17127
On February 26 2011 08:57 Jonas wrote:
Terran has mobility (medivacs, stim and concussive shell, etc), economic efficiency (mules, supply drop, the fact that marines cost nothing), and good harassment options (cloaked/uncloaked banshees, medivac drops, blue flame helions, etc).

Zerg has map awareness (creep spread, overlord spread), map control (mutalisks, speedlings, creep), flexibility (can switch entire army around by laying down 1 extra building), and a robust army composition (roaches, corruptors, broodlings made by broodlords, ultralisks)

Protoss has very strong battlefield control (force fields, collosus, storm), short reinforcement distances (proxy pylons, warp prisms), and strong macro flexibility (can chrono boost upgrades, probes, robo bays/stargates)

One race isn't stronger than any other race, they are just different


That's great, Jonas, but I don't see what that has directly to do with the matter at hand, which is spamming Marines all day long and being very effective with it.

Perhaps this strategy would be negated by the bigger maps (eg GSL) as well, in which case it won't be a problem in the longer term?
Nolot
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom271 Posts
February 27 2011 09:57 GMT
#17128
Can someone inform me what the next funday monday is about?
zergrushkekeke
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia241 Posts
February 27 2011 12:26 GMT
#17129
I am annoyed that mass marine works so well and is so easy too, but players will learn how to better deal with it. The ways to deal with it is to smash the big blob of marines, or ambush the reinforcements on the way, there are games where hovering a low number mutas over the barracks shuts down the terran until he retreats enough of his units to scare them off.

Don't know for protoss, don't colossus melt Bio balls?
KEKEKE
escruting
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain229 Posts
February 27 2011 13:21 GMT
#17130
Please Day[9] Daily viewers, we are working on a project to subtitle the dailies for foreigners and hearing-impaired fans, we have a thread to vote the best dailies to introduce them to Day[9].

Thread-->http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195464

Thanks!
My Life for Aiur
Vuistgevecht
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands77 Posts
February 27 2011 13:27 GMT
#17131
When will daily #200 come out? I hope its before #300
magha
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands427 Posts
February 27 2011 15:30 GMT
#17132
I read somewhere there was a daily where Day9 spoke about the new maps of the ladder. I cant find it though. Anyone got a link?
Rocor
Profile Joined January 2011
United States55 Posts
February 27 2011 18:38 GMT
#17133
Hey has anyone seen the amazon tourney that Day[9] cast ? Plural of zealots... Zeals ! perfect way to say it.. it flows really well. Day[9] rules !
Dune, the building of
Izz
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden10 Posts
February 27 2011 20:51 GMT
#17134
Hey, Sean. I would love to see some of your old BW tournament Games. I saw Bluewolf casted some BW tournament replays from 2001-2002, some of your games aswell.
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
February 27 2011 21:25 GMT
#17135
In that Amazon tourney game, + Show Spoiler +
seeing all those lings, hydras, and roaches stuck in the same hotkey throughout the entire game was awful. Leave the one control group stuff to the other races, cuz damn is that bad for zerg.
Undefeated TL Tecmo Super Bowl League Champion
Nalta
Profile Joined August 2010
United States44 Posts
March 01 2011 00:00 GMT
#17136
does anyone know when sean gets back and if there is a daily today?
"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass...and I'm all out of bubblegum."
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 00:03:09
March 01 2011 00:02 GMT
#17137
Its great that companies like amazon and even facebook are taking some notice in esports
Dwell
Kelwyn
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany143 Posts
March 01 2011 00:11 GMT
#17138
On March 01 2011 09:00 Nalta wrote:
does anyone know when sean gets back and if there is a daily today?


Presumably after the IEM World Championship, which is taking place from March 1 to March 5, I guess he will take a couple of days of after it and then continue with the dailies next week.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
March 01 2011 09:20 GMT
#17139
Day9D#100 is featured on the frontpage of Reddit. Long time coming, so congratulation Day9!

http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fuo3v/the_most_emotional_gamingrelated_story_youll_ever/
Thank God and gunrun.
PhantomNVD
Profile Joined November 2010
31 Posts
March 01 2011 10:27 GMT
#17140
What happened to the big Shorty Award oush... they said finalist would be announced Feb 15, but I can't see if he made the cut?

link please someone?
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