EDIT: I want to clarify that I did not mean to make it sound like there won't be basic player to player chat - hell you can even have a group conversation as far as I understood it. What I *THINK* they said, however, is that they wouldn't have Brood War USA-1 or op ToT), that type of channel.
Unless I misheard, during the Bnet 2.0 panel they said there will NOT be chat channels for Bnet 2.0 - not at launch anyway.
Why? "Because we have something much bigger planned, chat channels are messy".
Can someone please tell me I misunderstood them? I hope they AT LEAST have country channels.
I heard that too, but assumed that I either misheard it or misinterpreted it.
It really doesn't make much sense to not have chat channels at all. I'm not a fan of the "we'll have it eventually, just not at launch" statement that Blizzard uses sometimes, given how long "eventually" turns out to be for the company.
you did not mishear thats what they said. I don't even know how bnet will work without channels. What we do just mass games off the AMM system and never talk to anyone but ingame? That sucks ass, and is boring as shit. How also can we ever obs a game if you can't talk to people and find out there playing? What they have a button to join a random game to obs?
On August 22 2009 08:39 InToTheWannaB wrote: you did not mishear thats what they said. I don't even know how bnet will work without channels. What we do just mass games off the AMM system and never talk to anyone but ingame? That sucks ass, and is boring as shit. How also can we ever obs a game if you can't talk to people and find out there playing? What they have a button to join a random game to obs?
That's how games for windows live works - fucking retarded system.
On August 22 2009 08:41 Tsagacity wrote: There better be a way for me to meet new people Chat channels have always been my favorite feature over a lot of other online games and Xbox live.
They never said anything about clans >.<
I'm really mad right now -.-
I ran 10+ km earlier today but I think I'm gonna go for a second run, get rid of some energy.
I think it'll work like MSN or things like that (or Steam). You have the list of people connected, you can chat with one guy. But you can chat with your whole clan, or chat with your "party", or things like that.
Yeah I agree Windows Live sucks majorly, and I really don't like how Steam doesn't really have any chat channel support. Impulse at least has game oriented channels.
Blizzard is continuing down the path of 'hey lets copy what is working for these guys' instead of improving on what they currently have.
Next big announcement will be "Players won't have names anymore and chat will be limited to a few phrases in a dropdown box - We feel this will cut down conflicts in game and promote friendlier gamers. Plus we have big plans for this later on". Ala the Windows online games (poker, checkers, etc).
If they say they're planning to do things better, bet is that it's going to be better. The main goal of Blizzard is to sell the most copies they can, and it wouldn't be a good thing for them to cut off chat channels.
Once again, let's wait and see, but I'm pretty sure it'll be okay in the end...
I took it as they mean't that there won't be specialized chat channels like on bnet (zerg strategy, terran strategy, etc) that are premade at launch but they'll make them over time based on user preferences or something. Not that chat channels don't exist at all
On August 22 2009 08:50 Beaudereck wrote: If they say they're planning to do things better, bet is that it's going to be better. The main goal of Blizzard is to sell the most copies they can, and it wouldn't be a good thing for them to cut off chat channels.
Once again, let's wait and see, but I'm pretty sure it'll be okay in the end...
yes after my initial freak out I am now sure blizzard will add channels or something better at a later date. In blizzard we trust!!!
On August 22 2009 08:50 Beaudereck wrote: If they say they're planning to do things better, bet is that it's going to be better. The main goal of Blizzard is to sell the most copies they can, and it wouldn't be a good thing for them to cut off chat channels.
Once again, let's wait and see, but I'm pretty sure it'll be okay in the end...
Better != Better. You don't understand, the larger a company gets, the more distorted its perception of what better becomes.
EDIT: In retrospect, if its something like how they did WoW channels then it should be alright.
I swear to god.. I have completely lost faith in blizzard now. Why the hell can't they just leave things ALONE, and let battle.net be as It's always been... you should be allowed to talk in channels, allowed to play with LAN, allowed to have multiple names... really blizzard? have you all gone batshit crazy?
On August 22 2009 08:50 Beaudereck wrote: If they say they're planning to do things better, bet is that it's going to be better. The main goal of Blizzard is to sell the most copies they can, and it wouldn't be a good thing for them to cut off chat channels.
Once again, let's wait and see, but I'm pretty sure it'll be okay in the end...
Better != Better. You don't understand, the larger a company gets, the more distorted its perception of what better becomes.
EDIT: In retrospect, if its something like how they did WoW channels then it should be alright.
On August 22 2009 08:50 Beaudereck wrote: If they say they're planning to do things better, bet is that it's going to be better. The main goal of Blizzard is to sell the most copies they can, and it wouldn't be a good thing for them to cut off chat channels.
Once again, let's wait and see, but I'm pretty sure it'll be okay in the end...
Better != Better. You don't understand, the larger a company gets, the more distorted its perception of what better becomes.
EDIT: In retrospect, if its something like how they did WoW channels then it should be alright.
Lol that reminds me: Rob Pardo: I mean really, how many people here actually play our games offline? *Entire Audience*: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Rob Pardo: ......... really? College kids aren't connected?
(to be fair, he re-asked the question in a clearer way, but a decent number of people still "wooo":ed)
I'm glad they won't have the channels, in my 10 years of playing blizzard games, I've never seen anything even remotely useful said in the pub channels. Channels should be created on demand only, so as to avoid unnecessary load on the servers, which will now have to manage a lot more information (achievements, advanced matchmaking, online replays (not at launch but someday), etc.)
didnt they follow that up with something like they plan to make more specific channels soon after release? Such as like, since they know TL is a huge community, they will make a TL channel... etc. I thought that is what I heard (without the example of TL)
On August 22 2009 09:28 Skyze wrote: didnt they follow that up with something like they plan to make more specific channels soon after release? Such as like, since they know TL is a huge community, they will make a TL channel... etc. I thought that is what I heard (without the example of TL)
On August 22 2009 09:06 Sadistx wrote: I'm glad they won't have the channels, in my 10 years of playing blizzard games, I've never seen anything even remotely useful said in the pub channels. Channels should be created on demand only, so as to avoid unnecessary load on the servers, which will now have to manage a lot more information (achievements, advanced matchmaking, online replays (not at launch but someday), etc.)
Starcraft ONE has online replays. It's not a stress on the server, no more than a normal game anyway.
On August 22 2009 09:06 Sadistx wrote: I'm glad they won't have the channels, in my 10 years of playing blizzard games, I've never seen anything even remotely useful said in the pub channels. Channels should be created on demand only, so as to avoid unnecessary load on the servers, which will now have to manage a lot more information (achievements, advanced matchmaking, online replays (not at launch but someday), etc.)
Starcraft ONE has online replays. It's not a stress on the server, no more than a normal game anyway.
I meant replays hosted online on blizzard servers that are accessible by everyone.
Did everyone somehow manage to miss the whole "chat-with-your-friends-whenever" thing?
Really, it's not a huge deal; chat channels are almost impossible to follow, and Battle.net will have improved connectivity over the original anyway, in all parts of the game (including, almost definitely, clan support). At the very least, I'd wait to get mad until we know more about how the system works...
They are revamping it, so it really only means one thing: At launch you'll have Party Chat, Private chat (Messaging with to people on your friends list) and game chat. However, after launch they will implement a Group chat, where people can setup 'groups' and people can subscribe to that group. Like TeamLiquid would make a TeamLiquid Group and then members can subscribe to that group and talk like normal chat, however each group will have admins which can add group unique features such as news, bulletins, and even manage who is accepted in the group or not (i.e. you can have private groups).
Blizzard baffles me, they should just drop the name Blizzard and just call themselves Activision. Whatever happened to "it's done when it's done"? Just why the hell are there no chat channels, a BASIC commodity that isn't even fucking hard to code and make??!! Revamping the system isn't even a good excuse, they can just give a damn chat channel like the old Battle.net while they make their revamps.
I still have yet to hear a single good reason on why there are no online replays either, its all full of bullshit.
Yea, This is really absurd if you can't create your own private channels... I can't count the number of people I know from just meeting up in channels by chance. How the fuck am I supposed to find those people if they don't know where to meet me? lawl
Not having public channels that you are automatically placed in is not a problem for me. However, if I can't join a channel with a bunch of other people it would be pretty terrible.
I am not going to freak out about it until beta/ launch. I can't imagine them not having chat channels that people can join similar to popular clan channels on bnet now.
On August 22 2009 08:50 Beaudereck wrote: If they say they're planning to do things better, bet is that it's going to be better. The main goal of Blizzard is to sell the most copies they can, and it wouldn't be a good thing for them to cut off chat channels.
Once again, let's wait and see, but I'm pretty sure it'll be okay in the end...
Better != Better. You don't understand, the larger a company gets, the more distorted its perception of what better becomes.
EDIT: In retrospect, if its something like how they did WoW channels then it should be alright.
On August 22 2009 08:50 Beaudereck wrote: If they say they're planning to do things better, bet is that it's going to be better. The main goal of Blizzard is to sell the most copies they can, and it wouldn't be a good thing for them to cut off chat channels.
Once again, let's wait and see, but I'm pretty sure it'll be okay in the end...
Better != Better. You don't understand, the larger a company gets, the more distorted its perception of what better becomes.
EDIT: In retrospect, if its something like how they did WoW channels then it should be alright.
how did they do it in WoW?
Well what I'm thinking of from WoW is you could basically create your own set of channels and autojoin them everytime you login and whatnot. Then from there you can moderate them, make them public/private, and any number of people could join them. Its similar to what we have now with bnet but a lot easier to manage and a lot better since you can be in more than one channel at once.
We can see a 'party chat' thing from bnet2.0 thread. That's really nice especially when you want to create games with a group of friends and have them in the game before any other slots are taken. But I hope that 'party chat' isn't the only form of group chat Blizzard gives us.
the more news that comes out about it, the more i think i'll buy a physical sc2 disc set so i can play frisbee with it and pretend that all this wait was for a more exciting frisbee set
Waagh blizzard said a feature is replaced with something better but I'm just going to rage and pretend there's no chat in starcraft 2 instead of waiting to see what they actually put in rage rage rage.
Seriously, do you REALLY think there'll be no chatting in sc2 bnet? Seriously? Really?
On August 22 2009 12:58 konadora wrote: Wait.. B.Net 2.0 without chat?
What's the purpose of the B.Net 2.0 then -_-
Nono -.- I didn't mean to make it sound like it has NO CHAT - it has player to player chat. They just said there wouldn't be chat channels which made me make this topic, since I was sure I must have misheard :S
On August 22 2009 13:01 psion0011 wrote: Waagh blizzard said a feature is replaced with something better but I'm just going to rage and pretend there's no chat in starcraft 2 instead of waiting to see what they actually put in rage rage rage.
Seriously, do you REALLY think there'll be no chatting in sc2 bnet? Seriously? Really?
This is actually not what they said...
They said "We have something better planned, but for ship, there won't be any chat channels".
I've been trying to find a video of it online so I can re-watch it, because I am hoping I just didn't hear him correctly, but as best I can tell, that is what he said.
Yeah, you will have IM style chat, which is fine, but public (and private) chat channels is a large part of why I like Bnet (and HATE games for windows live).
On August 22 2009 13:00 pat965 wrote: This is a pretty good example of people receiving limited information and FLIPPING OUT over it. The sky is falling, Blizzard's finished, etc.
I've already bought my nuclear shelter from the ensuing chaos. Did you?
They talked about "community channels" or something along those lines though (post launch), which makes it sound like IRC to me. It'd be cool if they made it work like IRC.
On August 22 2009 13:05 Archerofaiur wrote: Anyone else feel like this Blizzcon was more dissapointing than uplifting?
Hm. I feel like it was mostly disappointing because the streams were laggy, the interesting Bnet 2.0 stuff only available to people paying (or watching less-than-legal streams), and the information... unclear.
Like, I really liked what little I heard about the leagues, but I don't feel like I got to understand how they actually intended it to work.
I really did NOT like what I heard about the chat, but yet again I'm left feeling that I have no idea what their intentions are so maybe I'd like it if I did know?
I don't even know what I heard about the smurfing "issue". If "master account" means you can have several IDs tied to that, then fantastic. If not, well, not so fantastic. In fact, quite terrible.
If you (or someone here) paid the stream, you can have on-demand and rewatch whatever you want. So maybe somebody can re-broadcast the battle.net panel on livestream or something.
Good idea - unfortuantely I don't have it, and people livestreaming the PPV had their accounts shut down >_< I didn't want to pay 40$ for TWO panels I care about. If I could pay like... 5$ a panel or something I might.
I think they just mean the normal public chat channels that were in a big dumb list. If they're planning to make it like facebook or whatever nonsense, you'll probably be able to chat to people on walls or something and just generally have a more controlled environment. Less meeting strangers, but also less dealing with kids who just discovered they can say anything they want through the magic of anonymity (and mostly choose just to troll all day long).
I think they're trying to get a system where people can be held responsible for douche baggery, and your identity will be much more important than random IDs people make to be wankers.
On August 22 2009 13:05 Archerofaiur wrote: Anyone else feel like this Blizzcon was more dissapointing than uplifting?
Hm. I feel like it was mostly disappointing because the streams were laggy, the interesting Bnet 2.0 stuff only available to people paying (or watching less-than-legal streams), and the information... unclear.
Like, I really liked what little I heard about the leagues, but I don't feel like I got to understand how they actually intended it to work.
I really did NOT like what I heard about the chat, but yet again I'm left feeling that I have no idea what their intentions are so maybe I'd like it if I did know?
I don't even know what I heard about the smurfing "issue". If "master account" means you can have several IDs tied to that, then fantastic. If not, well, not so fantastic. In fact, quite terrible.
I also meant the "no beta" news and hearing you have to pay for some user made maps. Oh and the lack of new gameplay news for Starcraft.
Removing the generic public channel list is fine, but removing public channels is certainly obscure. I like how they basically have a desktop type layout and you can message people and everything, but channels have always been a big deal. Do they figure half their audience plays on muted cd keys and can't use channels so they won't miss them? I'm perplexed @_@
Edit: .....................I understand the REASONING.....but buying maps? What the hell has this world come to?
What they're trying to do is incorporate the addictive factors that keep people playing in WoW (achievements, more personal friends/IM interface/list, non smurfable acc) to help them generate the most amount of money possible. I assume theres gonna be a subscription cost - thats gonna fucking suck. I dont want ANY of that fucking bullshit. It makes me want to not buy the game, its such a negative factor for me. But noobs like it and blizzard realise this so obv they wanna get the most money out of retards as usual and forget about those good games they used to make. Sigh.
I'm probably not gonna buy the game at all, it sounds very bad in lots of different ways - gameplay (not just chat/friends list etc).
Fucking hell blizzard, can you just make the game GOOD and cut out the 'oh but we can get more money out of people if we do this' fucking bullshit attitude thats ruining your games.
Ya so if they keep this shit up i'm not gonna recognise this as starcraft - a bit like american psycho 2 being a complete joke compared to the original.
On August 22 2009 14:08 sdpgposd wrote: What they're trying to do is incorporate the addictive factors that keep people playing in WoW (achievements, more personal friends/IM interface/list, non smurfable acc) to help them generate the most amount of money possible. I assume theres gonna be a subscription cost - thats gonna fucking suck. I dont want ANY of that fucking bullshit. It makes me want to not buy the game, its such a negative factor for me. But noobs like it and blizzard realise this so obv they wanna get the most money out of retards as usual and forget about those good games they used to make. Sigh.
I'm probably not gonna buy the game at all, it sounds very bad in lots of different ways - gameplay (not just chat/friends list etc).
Fucking hell blizzard, can you just make the game GOOD and cut out the 'oh but we can get more money out of people if we do this' fucking bullshit attitude thats ruining your games.
Ya so if they keep this shit up i'm not gonna recognise this as starcraft - a bit like american psycho 2 being a complete joke compared to the original.
your trolling really really bad. they have stated many times THERE WONT BE a subscription . but there will work like a silver/gold thing... just gold gives a few extra features.
ok now seriously ... WHAT ... THE FUCK .... IS GOING ON ? this is completely insane , in no more than 10 minutes i have turned from Hyped about new b.net to completely fucking unhyped , yet more super pesimistic about it ...
chat channels are just funny , wtf is wrong with u blizzard ... geez
You can chat to your friends (including party chat and group chats which you create), you can whisper anyone, you can chat with people in a game lobby, you can chat with players in game. The only thing you can't do (on release) is chat in a big random room before joining a game.
Meh? I can live with that till they release whatever their planning.
You can chat with your friends but not the blizzard community as a whole. One of the big reasons Blizzard holds up for removing Lan is to unit the community.
I'm sorry, but I am completely taken back by this decision by Blizzard. Chat Channels are the best place to meet people to play game with. You honestly think people are going to want to put up with meeting people via ladder only? That or meeting people by other friends? That is completely retarded. Screw this IM shit, whispering worked fine for me.
I miss when you could go into a Brood War ASD-1 channel and find the top players of that country there and also challenge people for games ect. Was like that until they for some reason made you join a seemingly random number a little while ago. Maybe just europe had active national channels but still. Well atleast I have SC1 to fall back on if SC2 is unplayable.
On August 22 2009 23:50 DeCoup wrote: You can chat to your friends (including party chat and group chats which you create), you can whisper anyone, you can chat with people in a game lobby, you can chat with players in game. The only thing you can't do (on release) is chat in a big random room before joining a game.
Meh? I can live with that till they release whatever their planning.
Some people have been saying it will be like facebook (I guess? I have never used facebook or any of the other "social networking" sites) and you can only whisper people on your friends list...?
I think this is terrible, but I know others think it's great.
Sigh I don't know if I have the energy to fuss about this, I might just play and ignore the fact that battle.net 2.0 isn't really my cup of tea so far.
On August 22 2009 14:08 sdpgposd wrote: What they're trying to do is incorporate the addictive factors that keep people playing in WoW (achievements, more personal friends/IM interface/list, non smurfable acc) to help them generate the most amount of money possible. I assume theres gonna be a subscription cost - thats gonna fucking suck. I dont want ANY of that fucking bullshit. It makes me want to not buy the game, its such a negative factor for me. But noobs like it and blizzard realise this so obv they wanna get the most money out of retards as usual and forget about those good games they used to make. Sigh.
I'm probably not gonna buy the game at all, it sounds very bad in lots of different ways - gameplay (not just chat/friends list etc).
Fucking hell blizzard, can you just make the game GOOD and cut out the 'oh but we can get more money out of people if we do this' fucking bullshit attitude thats ruining your games.
Ya so if they keep this shit up i'm not gonna recognise this as starcraft - a bit like american psycho 2 being a complete joke compared to the original.
your trolling really really bad. they have stated many times THERE WONT BE a subscription . but there will work like a silver/gold thing... just gold gives a few extra features.
WAIT WAIT WAIT, so you're saying there's "no" subscription but a silver service and a gold service which would give more things? I'm going to go ahead and say that'd be a one off payment but with Blizzard, you just can't be sure..
I mean, no public chat channels? Are you serious? It just seems to me like Blizzard have jacked idea's from steam, facebook and microsoft.
They delayed SC2 beta for B.net 2.0, i can only imagine how SC2 will make a great divide.
You guys are sad -.-. Obviously they know more then you. They have better plans for chat channels and are not retarded. Use your heads, Blizzard isn't dumb.
On August 23 2009 11:39 XXehh wrote: You guys are sad -.-. Obviously they know more then you. They have better plans for chat channels and are not retarded. Use your heads, Blizzard isn't dumb.
Relax and wait for more news.
K, fanboy, almost everyone in this thread has valid concerns. Blizzard is a bloated company now and they don't always see things clearly.
On August 23 2009 08:32 blade55555 wrote: Another thing to bitch about w00t! Whats next guys?
Why does it bother you so much that this bothers us?
I'm happy about 90% of SC2, so why not discuss the 10% I'm not happy with?
On August 23 2009 11:39 XXehh wrote: You guys are sad -.-. Obviously they know more then you. They have better plans for chat channels and are not retarded. Use your heads, Blizzard isn't dumb.
Relax and wait for more news.
My big problem with this is they keep saying "not at launch".
Online replays? "Would love to, but not at launch"
Chat channels? "We are gonna have something even better than this, but at launch you get nothing"
You know, WC3 has gone 7 years without online replays... Do you understand why it worries me?
On August 23 2009 11:39 XXehh wrote: You guys are sad -.-. Obviously they know more then you. They have better plans for chat channels and are not retarded. Use your heads, Blizzard isn't dumb.
Relax and wait for more news.
My big problem with this is they keep saying "not at launch".
Online replays? "Would love to, but not at launch"
Chat channels? "We are gonna have something even better than this, but at launch you get nothing"
You know, WC3 has gone 7 years without online replays... Do you understand why it worries me?
WAT? No online reps in war3? how do the pros communicate... its not like all the teams live under the same roof (i know World Elite does.. but thats it).
But I think we should try to just keep our faith... watever is left of it anyway.
I don't want it to be an xbox live type of system where you get to a screen to select what type of game you want and then it just says "searching for players" and you join up with random people. Sometimes you just want to chill in the channel and chat with some friends, or go to another clan channel, etc. The community aspect is what helped Blizzard's previous games to be a success and still be played today.
On August 23 2009 11:39 XXehh wrote: You guys are sad -.-. Obviously they know more then you. They have better plans for chat channels and are not retarded. Use your heads, Blizzard isn't dumb.
Relax and wait for more news.
My big problem with this is they keep saying "not at launch".
Online replays? "Would love to, but not at launch"
Chat channels? "We are gonna have something even better than this, but at launch you get nothing"
You know, WC3 has gone 7 years without online replays... Do you understand why it worries me?
Because so far Everything that has been announced that's different about sc2 you guys all bitch how terrible it is. Do you guys like the being able to hide behind terrain? Do you like the watch towers? I am curious if you guys went and threw a hissy fit when that was announced too. The only thing I have been disappointing about other then beta not being released was the no replays online at launch. Otherwise I haven't heard anything disappointing yet but you all here have for some weird reason. You guys don't like the new higher ground way or nothing so I'm wondering what do you like?
On August 23 2009 08:32 blade55555 wrote: Another thing to bitch about w00t! Whats next guys?
Why does it bother you so much that this bothers us?
I'm happy about 90% of SC2, so why not discuss the 10% I'm not happy with?
On August 23 2009 11:39 XXehh wrote: You guys are sad -.-. Obviously they know more then you. They have better plans for chat channels and are not retarded. Use your heads, Blizzard isn't dumb.
Relax and wait for more news.
My big problem with this is they keep saying "not at launch".
Online replays? "Would love to, but not at launch"
Chat channels? "We are gonna have something even better than this, but at launch you get nothing"
You know, WC3 has gone 7 years without online replays... Do you understand why it worries me?
Because so far Everything that has been announced that's different about sc2 you guys all bitch how terrible it is. Do you guys like the being able to hide behind terrain? Do you like the watch towers? I am curious if you guys went and threw a hissy fit when that was announced too. The only thing I have been disappointing about other then beta not being released was the no replays online at launch. Otherwise I haven't heard anything disappointing yet but you all here have for some weird reason. You guys don't like the new higher ground way or nothing so I'm wondering what do you like?
We like our StarCraft developers like we like our women, obedient and cooking up stuff we like.
I'm also worried about that "not at launch" thing. It seems to me like they are holding all that content so they could put it in expansions because people don't like to pay 50$ just for few new missions and 2 new units, so it will be like "new expansion with chat channels!" and stuff like that and that troubles me, I don't want to wait 1-3 years for something as basic as online replays, chat channels etc. And the reason why I believe that is that they haven't changed anything after that delay. They have 6 months more to do such things but everything is still "not at launch".
I don't mind too much if there are no "starting" channels like the country channels right now, but you should really be able to meet up with people and talk to them without having to add them as friends/manually whisper them. So basically give people the ability to create a public channel.
On August 23 2009 08:32 blade55555 wrote: Another thing to bitch about w00t! Whats next guys?
Why does it bother you so much that this bothers us?
I'm happy about 90% of SC2, so why not discuss the 10% I'm not happy with?
On August 23 2009 11:39 XXehh wrote: You guys are sad -.-. Obviously they know more then you. They have better plans for chat channels and are not retarded. Use your heads, Blizzard isn't dumb.
Relax and wait for more news.
My big problem with this is they keep saying "not at launch".
Online replays? "Would love to, but not at launch"
Chat channels? "We are gonna have something even better than this, but at launch you get nothing"
You know, WC3 has gone 7 years without online replays... Do you understand why it worries me?
Because so far Everything that has been announced that's different about sc2 you guys all bitch how terrible it is. Do you guys like the being able to hide behind terrain? Do you like the watch towers? I am curious if you guys went and threw a hissy fit when that was announced too. The only thing I have been disappointing about other then beta not being released was the no replays online at launch. Otherwise I haven't heard anything disappointing yet but you all here have for some weird reason. You guys don't like the new higher ground way or nothing so I'm wondering what do you like?
I don't hate the new high ground, but I don't like that there's no advantage for the person on high ground if the other player has vision :S
Anyway, I like 90% of SC2, but why shouldn't I complain about the 10% I want to see changed?
On August 23 2009 21:40 Carnac wrote: I don't mind too much if there are no "starting" channels like the country channels right now, but you should really be able to meet up with people and talk to them without having to add them as friends/manually whisper them. So basically give people the ability to create a public channel.
It would be nice to have some kind of public channels... Like "General Chat", "2v2", "1v1", etc. Basically, channels you can go to for finding AT partners or people for your custom game etc.
On August 23 2009 08:32 blade55555 wrote: Another thing to bitch about w00t! Whats next guys?
Why does it bother you so much that this bothers us?
I'm happy about 90% of SC2, so why not discuss the 10% I'm not happy with?
On August 23 2009 11:39 XXehh wrote: You guys are sad -.-. Obviously they know more then you. They have better plans for chat channels and are not retarded. Use your heads, Blizzard isn't dumb.
Relax and wait for more news.
My big problem with this is they keep saying "not at launch".
Online replays? "Would love to, but not at launch"
Chat channels? "We are gonna have something even better than this, but at launch you get nothing"
You know, WC3 has gone 7 years without online replays... Do you understand why it worries me?
WAT? No online reps in war3? how do the pros communicate... its not like all the teams live under the same roof (i know World Elite does.. but thats it).
But I think we should try to just keep our faith... watever is left of it anyway.
Get on vent pause replay at 2 minute mark and countdown.
It is because they are adding in Voice Chat instead of being able to type. Although for those with no mics they would have to allow a keyboard regardless...
On August 23 2009 21:40 Carnac wrote: I don't mind too much if there are no "starting" channels like the country channels right now, but you should really be able to meet up with people and talk to them without having to add them as friends/manually whisper them. So basically give people the ability to create a public channel.
It would be nice to have some kind of public channels... Like "General Chat", "2v2", "1v1", etc. Basically, channels you can go to for finding AT partners or people for your custom game etc.
The problems with channels is that they get either spammed or you need a very restrictive limit on how many can join it.
And I don't really get how everyone here freaks out like that, you can still create chat rooms that works just the same as channels just that while there are some public channels there are no public chat rooms but the chat rooms follows you into games and such and you can have more than one open at a time.
So basically, you play a game with someone you like, you start to talk and you either join his buddies room or create a new one/whatever just like how you would join a channel if you just met someone. The only thing missing is the public channels, but those will be added later as said.
As someone who really isn't excited about SC2 I'm surprised this is whats upsetting everyone. They'll have something similar and I'm going to guess most people don't use the chat channels in general. Like someone said earlier in the thread, I've been playing SC on and off since release and can't think of any situation where chat was useful.
That being said, taking it out for no reason is also stupid... So, even though I don't care much I have to be a little disapointed in Blizzard
You need chat channels that random people can join and bullshit. It really makes the community much stronger. DoW 2 has no chat channels system and it makes for a lonely experience.
On August 25 2009 06:54 Bosu wrote: You need chat channels that random people can join and bullshit. It really makes the community much stronger. DoW 2 has no chat channels system and it makes for a lonely experience.
This is precisely how I feel about it. I played the DoW beta, clicked the multiplayer button and... nothing. Just like 3 buttons: play auto-match game, play custom game, create custom game.
Soooooooo empty :S
And public channels ARE useful - if you have a really basic question, popping by your national channel and asking it is perfect. If you need someone to AT with? Again, useful.
Klockan, as far as I understand it, those channels you can create are only for people on your friendslist?
I want to be able to create channels everyone can join, like all the clan channels in SC and WC3. There have been tonnes of gaming channels throughout SC's history:
Brood War Kor-Namomo - back in the day, this was IT for finding good players to play (hah, I randomly got to obs fOru dozing a terran back when I was just starting ^^)
Brood War Kor-Nexus - Teamplay channel.
Brood War Ladder - Teamplay channel
op 3.33- - Much like kor-namomo, but a bit later.
I don't really remember what the others were, because once namomo sort of died, the gaming channels switched more regularly.
No, I'm serious. Blizzard is a big company now, and I think it's run by people who know what they are doing. Even if they don't have public channels, you can just go and meet up with some people in-game and if you like them then friend them. Rather than go to the channel, think he's a cool guy and friend him, only to see that he's not the B- player he told you he was.
On August 25 2009 08:54 CharlieMurphy wrote: first no lan, now no channels (even though the new thing they demo'd looks awesome). they better have something fucking awesome on ship.
On August 25 2009 08:54 CharlieMurphy wrote: first no lan, now no channels (even though the new thing they demo'd looks awesome). they better have something fucking awesome on ship.
I know what will be fucking awesome, and it is playing Starcraft 2
Ok, all this shit that is just assumed with a good game is RAPIDLY dissapearing... I'm a little sick of this, "something bigger planned". My expectations are fucking high as hell now, and its gonna be damn hard to meet, seeing as I can BARELY afford to buy a desktop that is somewhat capable of running the damn game (which i wont do until release)... Starcraft has the winning formula, IMO lets just add some nice bells and whistles and move along...
My brothers theory is that there will be some kind of 3d environment where you can walk around and chat in. You would be able to unlock and customise the models to use. Eg, you might start only being able to be either a Probe, SCV or Drone. Racial models would not stop you from talking to other racial models, as its just an avitar. As you win games with a race you can unlock more advanced models. You can pick the color and decal for the model you selected. Outside in the 3d space would be considered he general channel. You could enter different buildings, which are all different topics. Basically wow if you could not leave the capital city lol. You could join parties (like in the b.net reveal from blizzcon), challenge people (or a quick 1vs1), or launch a game from within the environment. I personally would be happy with something more simple and just chat based, but his crazy theory is starting to make me really wonder what their up to o.O
On August 25 2009 10:45 DeCoup wrote: My brothers theory is that there will be some kind of 3d environment where you can walk around and chat in. You would be able to unlock and customise the models to use. Eg, you might start only being able to be either a Probe, SCV or Drone. Racial models would not stop you from talking to other racial models, as its just an avitar. As you win games with a race you can unlock more advanced models. You can pick the color and decal for the model you selected. Outside in the 3d space would be considered he general channel. You could enter different buildings, which are all different topics. Basically wow if you could not leave the capital city lol. You could join parties (like in the b.net reveal from blizzcon), challenge people (or a quick 1vs1), or launch a game from within the environment. I personally would be happy with something more simple and just chat based, but his crazy theory is starting to make me really wonder what their up to o.O
no offensive, but your brother's theory is a tad bit flawed. First of all, the only reason they would do that is if Blizzard was planning on making a World of Starcraft, and eve Rob Pardo said in last year's blizzcon that "an SC MMO just doesnt make sense". Second, how do the screens from the Bnet revealing fit in with the theory. It all looks menu based to me, just like XBOX live or steam.
I dont want to start a big debate because your brother said something, however you do raise a good point.. wtf is Blizzard planning?
On August 25 2009 10:45 DeCoup wrote: My brothers theory is that there will be some kind of 3d environment where you can walk around and chat in. You would be able to unlock and customise the models to use. Eg, you might start only being able to be either a Probe, SCV or Drone. Racial models would not stop you from talking to other racial models, as its just an avitar. As you win games with a race you can unlock more advanced models. You can pick the color and decal for the model you selected. Outside in the 3d space would be considered he general channel. You could enter different buildings, which are all different topics. Basically wow if you could not leave the capital city lol. You could join parties (like in the b.net reveal from blizzcon), challenge people (or a quick 1vs1), or launch a game from within the environment. I personally would be happy with something more simple and just chat based, but his crazy theory is starting to make me really wonder what their up to o.O
If that's what they are doing I'm not going to talk to anyone ever on bnet 2.0 LOL
On August 25 2009 10:45 DeCoup wrote: My brothers theory is that there will be some kind of 3d environment where you can walk around and chat in. You would be able to unlock and customise the models to use. Eg, you might start only being able to be either a Probe, SCV or Drone. Racial models would not stop you from talking to other racial models, as its just an avitar. As you win games with a race you can unlock more advanced models. You can pick the color and decal for the model you selected. Outside in the 3d space would be considered he general channel. You could enter different buildings, which are all different topics. Basically wow if you could not leave the capital city lol. You could join parties (like in the b.net reveal from blizzcon), challenge people (or a quick 1vs1), or launch a game from within the environment. I personally would be happy with something more simple and just chat based, but his crazy theory is starting to make me really wonder what their up to o.O
No offense to your brother, but that sounds god awful. I don't think I would ever enter the chat rooms if this was the case. I never understood this whole 3d environment anyway, especially for web browsing. So I hope they don't turn in this direction for chatrooms.
On August 25 2009 10:45 DeCoup wrote: My brothers theory is that there will be some kind of 3d environment where you can walk around and chat in. You would be able to unlock and customise the models to use. Eg, you might start only being able to be either a Probe, SCV or Drone. Racial models would not stop you from talking to other racial models, as its just an avitar. As you win games with a race you can unlock more advanced models. You can pick the color and decal for the model you selected. Outside in the 3d space would be considered he general channel. You could enter different buildings, which are all different topics. Basically wow if you could not leave the capital city lol. You could join parties (like in the b.net reveal from blizzcon), challenge people (or a quick 1vs1), or launch a game from within the environment. I personally would be happy with something more simple and just chat based, but his crazy theory is starting to make me really wonder what their up to o.O
If that's what they are doing I'm not going to talk to anyone ever on bnet 2.0 LOL
Please dont kill me for bumping, I didn't make a new thread at least!
I bumped the chat channel thread on battle.net a couple times tonight to try and keep the issue alive. Not having chat channels ready by the time the game launches just seems unacceptable. If Facebook/aim were a better way to communicate with people in war3 I would have used them there, but the clan and public chat channels acted as a gathering spot where people could wait or just stop by in between games without needing to take extra steps to talk to people(whom might only be on your friendlist).
POINT: Super angry they are probably taking steps backwards here.
btw spork they've said that they do want to add this stuff for release (it may be after release, not sure), but they didn't want people sitting around chatting in beta, they wanted us to test the game instead
On August 25 2009 10:45 DeCoup wrote: My brothers theory is that there will be some kind of 3d environment where you can walk around and chat in. You would be able to unlock and customise the models to use. Eg, you might start only being able to be either a Probe, SCV or Drone. Racial models would not stop you from talking to other racial models, as its just an avitar. As you win games with a race you can unlock more advanced models. You can pick the color and decal for the model you selected. Outside in the 3d space would be considered he general channel. You could enter different buildings, which are all different topics. Basically wow if you could not leave the capital city lol. You could join parties (like in the b.net reveal from blizzcon), challenge people (or a quick 1vs1), or launch a game from within the environment. I personally would be happy with something more simple and just chat based, but his crazy theory is starting to make me really wonder what their up to o.O
If that's what they are doing I'm not going to talk to anyone ever on bnet 2.0 LOL
What if they give you a red probe?
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't they say there won't be public chat channels pretty much since the introduction of the very first Bnet2 screenshots? Didn't hear the "bigger plans" excuse yet but that they don't want public chat isn't exactly news right?
You did notice that the post was from August 2009? Also, I still find it absolutely incredibly just gut-wrenchingly retarded that there won't be any chat channels. It's just... I'm at a complete loss of words really.
On April 24 2010 22:48 z]Benny wrote: You did notice that the post was from August 2009? Also, I still find it absolutely incredibly just gut-wrenchingly retarded that there won't be any chat channels. It's just... I'm at a complete loss of words really.
Oh wow no I didn't. Browsing with images disabled has its drawbacks....
even though they might have clan chat channels, or they may offer some other basic chat channels like "Custom Games" or "New Players" or "Clan Recruitment" or shit like that I will still say NO PUBLIC CHAT CHANNELS = R.I.P. BNET 2.0
I do hope they do decide to implement chat channels... Makes you feel a lot less alone when playing, always fun to just discuss random stuff between games.
On May 02 2010 21:33 MercerX wrote: even though they might have clan chat channels, or they may offer some other basic chat channels like "Custom Games" or "New Players" or "Clan Recruitment" or shit like that I will still say NO PUBLIC CHAT CHANNELS = R.I.P. BNET 2.0
Actually they said in Dev chat 30/4 that :
Clans are definitely something we plan to implement in the future. No specific date has been identified yet. They will likely correspond with the first expansion or a future patch.
So what that means to clan chat or clans is beyond me.