EPT2023 - 2024 Football Thread - Page 97
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Dan HH
Romania9134 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25884 Posts
On April 28 2024 05:03 Liquid`Drone wrote: I can't find statistics to confirm it (and as I've mentioned before, the database I used to use for stats digging is no longer available, would take me too long now), but I have a feeling Newcastle's combined 13-1 vs Sheffield this season might be a PL record. Indeed it is! | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On April 28 2024 05:03 Liquid`Drone wrote: I can't find statistics to confirm it (and as I've mentioned before, the database I used to use for stats digging is no longer available, would take me too long now), but I have a feeling Newcastle's combined 13-1 vs Sheffield this season might be a PL record. I think we farmed Wigan 6-0 and 8-0 in same season. We started the season with 3x 6-0 wins under Ancelotti. Oh no they were not the same season, so the reverse fixtures never amounted to it, i stand corrected. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18488 Posts
On April 28 2024 03:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Again the Premiere League has got to fix this. VAR is one thing, this could easily be considered match fixing. Remember last year with Tottenham and Brighton(?) here we go again, the Refs should be replaced it's like an old boys club. It's abundant there is some form of corruption going on. Surprise surprise its against Liverpool | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25884 Posts
The idea that they have agendas against particular teams really just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
That might be wrong but also if keeper thought it was a foul being given it be unfair on him as well? Shit situation all round, no winners, just more poor referee COMMUNICATION...Prem really needs to invest in referee's, lets get more of them, train them and pay them properly so we can expect good results. Can't call ourselves best league in world if its refereeing is sub standard. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18488 Posts
On April 28 2024 08:19 Pandemona wrote: Yeah this one i can understand why he did it, keeper thought it was a foul and ref is like fuck i didn't say it was a foul or not, so he just stopped the play. That might be wrong but also if keeper thought it was a foul being given it be unfair on him as well? Shit situation all round, no winners, just more poor referee COMMUNICATION...Prem really needs to invest in referee's, lets get more of them, train them and pay them properly so we can expect good results. Can't call ourselves best league in world if its refereeing is sub standard. Several sides profited from this decision, so a lot of winners... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25884 Posts
I’ve read multiple articles that there’s a pretty hefty shortage of referees at grass roots level in the UK game because the culture of referee bashing extends right the way down and people couldn’t be arsed with the hassle. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6981 Posts
On April 28 2024 08:19 Pandemona wrote: Can't call ourselves best league in world if its refereeing is sub standard. Best at wasting money, sure. Everything else? No | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10215 Posts
On April 28 2024 07:49 WombaT wrote: Refs fuck up, fair enough. The idea that they have agendas against particular teams really just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny Considering our record when Taylor is reffing our games, idk. I'm sure someone could run a statistical analysis of the probability of losing/drawing more frequently with Taylor and I'm sure it would show as statistically significant. Our team sucks anyways right now. Draw is probably a fair result for us considering we relied on an OG to draw. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25884 Posts
On April 30 2024 00:28 FlaShFTW wrote: Considering our record when Taylor is reffing our games, idk. I'm sure someone could run a statistical analysis of the probability of losing/drawing more frequently with Taylor and I'm sure it would show as statistically significant. Our team sucks anyways right now. Draw is probably a fair result for us considering we relied on an OG to draw. I think it’s possible that refs may make more errors with home teams, or traditionally big teams. The home side due to the atmosphere swinging it, the latter likely down to an ‘oh shit I’m gonna get slaughtered for the next week if I make this call’. Which are both subconscious to a degree I’d imagine. What analysis I have seen and thus far failed to find again tends to come to those kind of conclusions. And even then it’s very minor. I mean it has its issues with implementation, but any analysis I’ve seen of VAR has it as getting more calls right than before, and even before refs still got the vast, vast amount of calls correct. I’m not some shill for Big RefTM or anything but it strikes me that the main issue is unrealistic expectations and the general culture between fans and referees, or the media and refs | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8743 Posts
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aseq
Netherlands3983 Posts
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MJG
United Kingdom1306 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8743 Posts
personally i would not be against the abolition of var. if were going to continue to give referees some slack for "human error", id rather those errors take place when theres only 3 referees to make a decision with and they have to do it live on the pitch. you can live with some decisions when its happening live and refs are granted the benefit of doubt. refs really dont have an excuse for fucking shit up as badly as they do when they get slow motion screens replayed 10 times. if theyre not going to be held accountable for wrong decisions either way, just get rid of var. it wastes time, kills celebrations and creates way more drama/controversy than it should. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18093 Posts
On April 30 2024 11:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This is the same ref that had be bailed out by Mike Dean on the VAR. Again as this was posted the refs are admitting that they essentially fixed the match in order cover their own ass. https://youtu.be/HF-EjTUZbj4?si=R9LRDGxxoQCQjJGq Watched most of that. To me the main issue there is VAR not wanting to call the ref over to the monitor and the ref not wanting to be called over. That seems like a mentality problem that the refs need to work on. They don't mind the linesman waving a flag around if they see a foul the referee didn't. So why is the monitor worse? This also seems to be an English problem, because I don't see the same attitude in other countries (or maybe they just don't talk about it). | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1306 Posts
On April 30 2024 15:56 evilfatsh1t wrote: that idea is not so radical. ive heard many many people say they preferred pre var days to this. personally i would not be against the abolition of var. if were going to continue to give referees some slack for "human error", id rather those errors take place when theres only 3 referees to make a decision with and they have to do it live on the pitch. you can live with some decisions when its happening live and refs are granted the benefit of doubt. refs really dont have an excuse for fucking shit up as badly as they do when they get slow motion screens replayed 10 times. if theyre not going to be held accountable for wrong decisions either way, just get rid of var. it wastes time, kills celebrations and creates way more drama/controversy than it should. A referee making a mistake when they only get to look at something once is understandable, and the very best referees make very few glaring mistakes despite this restriction. That a gaggle of referees still make mistakes even though they get to look at something umpteen times is a joke, and yet the on-field referee will feel pressured into accepting their intervention. | ||
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